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Post by Bigjeep on Dec 11, 2021 17:16:14 GMT -5
INGLEWOOD, Calif. — He was sitting there, available when the Giants were on the clock with the No. 11-overall pick in the 2021 NFL Draft. Rashawn Slater, out of Northwestern, was available to help solve their ongoing offensive line problems, but the Giants did not love him as a tackle prospect and they traded down. Slater was taken by the Chargers with the No. 13 pick and the Giants have to live that down. The Giants believed Matt Peart, entering his second NFL season, was ready to take the next step and move in at right tackle. That has not come close to happening — Peart has been benched and is not in the playing rotation. Slater? He’s just fine, thank you. He has started every game at left tackle and has not missed any of the Chargers’ 823 snaps. His grade of 82.3 by Pro Football Focus is the seventh highest for any tackle in the league. The Giants passed on Rashawn Slater, hoping Matt Peart could their right tackle of the future. “As a young player, it seems like I don’t see a lot of mental errors out there,’’ Giants defensive coordinator Patrick Graham said. “Sometimes you try to ID those young guys and say, ‘All right, this guy’s going to make a mistake, let’s do this. Let’s mug up over him. Let’s do something to him to affect him.’ You’re not really seeing that. I was real impressed with what he’s doing on the field. His toughness, athletic ability and he’s playing strong right now and playing smart.’’ Derek Dooley, the Giants’ tight ends coach, is a former head coach at Louisiana Tech and Tennessee and spent five years working on Jason Garrett’s Dallas staff as the Cowboys’ wide receivers coach. When Garrett was hired as the Giants’ offensive coordinator, Dooley was added to Joe Judge’s staff in 2020 as a senior offensive assistant. After Garrett was fired by Judge during the bye week, there had been reports he might be in line for the head-coaching vacancy at Duke, which was filled by Texas A&M defensive coordinator Mike Elko. Dooley saw Duke as a good fit for Garrett. “I mean, go look at his 10-year record in the NFL,’’ Dooley, the youngest son of College Football Hall of Famer Vince Dooley, said. “How many active head coaches of the 32 have a better winning percentage? “Jason is incredibly intelligent and if you put him in charge of anything, he would quickly figure it out and have success. There’s no doubt in my mind.’’ Jarren Williams made the Giants’ practice squad in 2020 as an undrafted cornerback who played college ball at Albany. Williams made it back to the practice squad earlier this season and a recent rash of injuries in the defensive backfield prompted an elevation to the active roster. In the loss last week to the Dolphins, Williams was used for the first snaps on defense of his NFL career. He was on the field for 25 snaps on defense and 15 on special teams. “I was messing with him the other day, he was talking about being sore,’’ special teams coach Thomas McGaughey said. “He was like, ‘I haven’t played 40 snaps since Albany.’ He was sore, so that’s a good thing. We’ve just got to keep him going.’’ nypost.com/2021/12/11/giants-set-to-face-rashawn-slater-stud-tackle-they-passed-on/
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Post by McCherry on Dec 11, 2021 17:37:45 GMT -5
They didn't pass on him, they traded back.
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Post by Bigjeep on Dec 11, 2021 17:39:44 GMT -5
They didn't pass on him, they traded back. Same thing, maybe even worse!
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Post by McCherry on Dec 11, 2021 17:41:40 GMT -5
They didn't pass on him, they traded back. Same thing, maybe even worse! Picking up an extra top 10 pick is worse? Not according to the reaction here on draft day.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 11, 2021 18:01:49 GMT -5
Same thing, maybe even worse! Picking up an extra top 10 pick is worse? Not according to the reaction here on draft day. until they drafted a receiver.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 11, 2021 20:18:27 GMT -5
Slater or Parsons would have been excellent picks this past draft. The trade down was also a very good option, the fact that these 2 players are proving to be really good doesn't mean that our trade down was bad.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 11, 2021 21:41:13 GMT -5
Slater or Parsons would have been excellent picks this past draft. The trade down was also a very good option, the fact that these 2 players are proving to be really good doesn't mean that our trade down was bad. We won't know that for a few years. And a lot depends on that top 10 Bears pick. Ask yourself this though, would you rather Parsons or Slater, knowing what they are now, or Toney and the gamble of a top 10 pick next year?
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 11, 2021 23:07:06 GMT -5
Slater or Parsons would have been excellent picks this past draft. The trade down was also a very good option, the fact that these 2 players are proving to be really good doesn't mean that our trade down was bad. We won't know that for a few years. And a lot depends on that top 10 Bears pick. Ask yourself this though, would you rather Parsons or Slater, knowing what they are now, or Toney and the gamble of a top 10 pick next year? Maybe the Giants could trade both high picks again this year, draft positions other than line and pass rushers, keep losing and check back in a few more years. Went from Slater and Zeitler on the right side to this. Brilliant. Thanks Philly, b/c of the Eagles aggressiveness the Giants would have a receiver and no extra pick. Gettleman is the dumbest GM we’ve ever had.
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Post by Modog on Dec 12, 2021 0:07:30 GMT -5
Forget Rashawn Slater, I wanted the Giants to wait until 2020 to draft a QB, when they could have targeted Herbert.
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Post by bluejayc on Dec 12, 2021 5:04:36 GMT -5
This is the equivalent of “Giants facing QB Tom Brady after passing him in the draft” 🙄
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Post by bluejayc on Dec 12, 2021 5:05:57 GMT -5
This is the equivalent of “Giants facing QB Tom Brady after passing him in the draft” 🙄 Rosie please bury this thread into oblivion.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 12, 2021 6:40:12 GMT -5
blah blah blah
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 12, 2021 6:55:09 GMT -5
Slater or Parsons would have been excellent picks this past draft. The trade down was also a very good option, the fact that these 2 players are proving to be really good doesn't mean that our trade down was bad. We won't know that for a few years. And a lot depends on that top 10 Bears pick. Ask yourself this though, would you rather Parsons or Slater, knowing what they are now, or Toney and the gamble of a top 10 pick next year? sure, in hindsight, I would have taken Parsons, although in a redraft, he wouldn't fall that far, but during the draft teams don't have that benefit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 7:05:12 GMT -5
They didn't pass on him, they traded back. They passed on him, trade back or not...oh ye defender of all things Giants Passed on the right or left tackle all pro/pro bowl can't miss stud .... to do whatever...still, they PASSED on him...as he was there on the board.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 7:06:50 GMT -5
Slater or Parsons would have been excellent picks this past draft. The trade down was also a very good option, the fact that these 2 players are proving to be really good doesn't mean that our trade down was bad. We won't know that for a few years. And a lot depends on that top 10 Bears pick. Ask yourself this though, would you rather Parsons or Slater, knowing what they are now, or Toney and the gamble of a top 10 pick next year? Now? I take Slater ...Toney is a talented receiver, but you can see the drama ooze from his very being
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 12, 2021 7:13:17 GMT -5
This is the equivalent of “Giants facing QB Tom Brady after passing him in the draft” 🙄 Not sure about that. Every team passed on Brady many times. He was an unknown QB basically. We didn't necessarily need a QB then either with Kerry Collins on the team. And if we drafted Brady, he wouldn't have become "Brady". Everyone knew Slater and Parsons. We needed OL and LB/Pass rush help. They were first rounders. We traded back instead of taking them. If the trade back option fails, the blame goes directly on the GM who made the move IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 7:29:54 GMT -5
This is the equivalent of “Giants facing QB Tom Brady after passing him in the draft” 🙄 Not sure about that. Every team passed on Brady many times. He was an unknown QB basically. We didn't necessarily need a QB then either with Kerry Collins on the team. And if we drafted Brady, he wouldn't have become "Brady". Everyone knew Slater and Parsons. We needed OL and LB/Pass rush help. They were first rounders. We traded back instead of taking them. If the trade back option fails, the blame goes directly on the GM who made the move IMO. Parsons was passed because of sexual abuse/hazing concerns ....more than likely off their board. He is also brutal in coverage...credit to the Cowboy for using him the correct way, head into the backfield as quickly as possible...but it would be the Cowboys who draft players with "flags"....Slater was the other forever bookend, and those talents are quite hard to find
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 12, 2021 7:36:32 GMT -5
At the time I liked the trade back, thought it was the right move. I actually thought that we were probably all set at Tackle as I really thought Peart would take the next step.
Fast forward and honestly I wish we had taken either Slater or Parsons. They have proven (so far) that they were worthy of their draft pick and look like perennial All Pro players.
We have a receiver who, like in college, is injury prone and hasn't played in like a month. Yes, we have an additional top 10 pick, and that could turn into a really good player, maybe more than one if they trade back again...who knows.
But its still an unknown, and the risk is that player could end up being a bust. Does anyone trust who this team will draft after the track record of their first round picks the last several years?
I don't.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 12, 2021 7:52:01 GMT -5
Not sure about that. Every team passed on Brady many times. He was an unknown QB basically. We didn't necessarily need a QB then either with Kerry Collins on the team. And if we drafted Brady, he wouldn't have become "Brady". Everyone knew Slater and Parsons. We needed OL and LB/Pass rush help. They were first rounders. We traded back instead of taking them. If the trade back option fails, the blame goes directly on the GM who made the move IMO. Parsons was passed because of sexual abuse/hazing concerns ....more than likely off their board. He is also brutal in coverage...credit to the Cowboy for using him the correct way, head into the backfield as quickly as possible...but it would be the Cowboys who draft players with "flags"....Slater was the other forever bookend, and those talents are quite hard to find No doubt. Thats why at the time I was fine passing on him. Last thing we needed was another off the field crazy clown show. If you look back however, I did think he was the best defensive player in the draft talent wise, and only behind Trevor Lawrence and Jamarr Chase overall.
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Post by Delicreep on Dec 12, 2021 7:59:41 GMT -5
Well...I remember draft day like it was yesterday.
All anyone on here could talk about for weeks leading up to that day was Rashawn Slater, and how we had to target him. And when that trade happened? This place went nuts...I thought people were going to burn the stadium to the ground.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 12, 2021 8:52:20 GMT -5
This is the equivalent of “Giants facing QB Tom Brady after passing him in the draft” 🙄 No, no, it’s actually nothing like that all, not even close.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 12, 2021 8:55:55 GMT -5
Not sure about that. Every team passed on Brady many times. He was an unknown QB basically. We didn't necessarily need a QB then either with Kerry Collins on the team. And if we drafted Brady, he wouldn't have become "Brady". Everyone knew Slater and Parsons. We needed OL and LB/Pass rush help. They were first rounders. We traded back instead of taking them. If the trade back option fails, the blame goes directly on the GM who made the move IMO. Parsons was passed because of sexual abuse/hazing concerns ....more than likely off their board. He is also brutal in coverage...credit to the Cowboy for using him the correct way, head into the backfield as quickly as possible...but it would be the Cowboys who draft players with "flags"....Slater was the other forever bookend, and those talents are quite hard to find I know what ya mean about the Cowboys but we haven’t been much different lately, Baker and Toney had a few flags themselves. We also had the Brown incident not too long ago. The problem is the Giants can’t even draft good players who have “flags”.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 12, 2021 9:12:14 GMT -5
Ojulari vs Slater will be an interesting draft class match up.
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 12, 2021 10:06:57 GMT -5
They didn't pass on him, they traded back. lol wtf? They passed on selecting him. Opted to trade back. And draft a shiny broken toy that has been pretty much no existent all season. Meanwhile a stud OL and a stud pass rusher are playing phenomenally all season. It’s not as if the Giants could have used either of those. For ten years now. But WR… WR was probably their biggest need. They've had a lot of injuries to the OL. along with their back ups retiring
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 12, 2021 10:17:03 GMT -5
lol wtf? They passed on selecting him. Opted to trade back. And draft a shiny broken toy that has been pretty much no existent all season. Meanwhile a stud OL and a stud pass rusher are playing phenomenally all season. It’s not as if the Giants could have used either of those. For ten years now. But WR… WR was probably their biggest need. They've had a lot of injuries to the OL. along with their back ups retiring seems to me the roster was loaded with receivers yet nothing stable for ROT.
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 12, 2021 10:23:51 GMT -5
WR was probably their biggest need. They've had a lot of injuries to the OL. along with their back ups retiring seems to me the roster was loaded with receivers yet nothing stable for ROT. Well I did think Garrett's system was holding everyone back. His route concepts were predictable for defenses and created essentially no confusion. I did see he had some nice plays in the book BUT he'd always go back to those vanilla concepts. But they still needed a Toney-type receiver. He just has to stay healthy consistently. The Giants have even drafted and signed players with little to no injury history, only for them to end up perpetually injured. Geoff Schwartz comes to mind. Wasn't Barkley someone with little injury history too?? I mean I thought that they couldn't go wrong between OL or WR. But I just thought WR might be more of a need. Shepard is always hurt, Golliday coming off injury. Thus, whose gonna be the guy if they went down. Which they did, including Toney lol.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 12, 2021 10:24:56 GMT -5
seems to me the roster was loaded with receivers yet nothing stable for ROT. Well I did think Garrett's system was holding everyone back. His route concepts were predictable for defenses and created essentially no confusion. I did see he had some nice plays in the book BUT he'd always go back to those vanilla concepts. But they still needed a Toney-type receiver. He just has to stay healthy consistently. The Giants have even drafted and signed players with little to no injury history, only for them to end up perpetually injured. Geoff Schwartz comes to mind. Wasn't Barkley someone with little injury history too?? I mean I thought that they couldn't go wrong between OL or WR. But I just thought WR might be more of a need. Shepard is always hurt, Golliday coming off injury. Thus, whose gonna be the guy if they went down. Which they did, including Toney lol. how is Kitchens working out? Same as every other OC/HC w/o an OL which can block.
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 12, 2021 11:10:45 GMT -5
Well I did think Garrett's system was holding everyone back. His route concepts were predictable for defenses and created essentially no confusion. I did see he had some nice plays in the book BUT he'd always go back to those vanilla concepts. But they still needed a Toney-type receiver. He just has to stay healthy consistently. The Giants have even drafted and signed players with little to no injury history, only for them to end up perpetually injured. Geoff Schwartz comes to mind. Wasn't Barkley someone with little injury history too?? I mean I thought that they couldn't go wrong between OL or WR. But I just thought WR might be more of a need. Shepard is always hurt, Golliday coming off injury. Thus, whose gonna be the guy if they went down. Which they did, including Toney lol. how is Kitchens working out? Same as every other OC/HC w/o an OL which can block. No doubt..I've been talking about the OL being THE problem for almost ten years. But I thought with what they had they could afford to go WR. Although I was disappointed they didn't release and replace solder.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 12, 2021 11:18:24 GMT -5
how is Kitchens working out? Same as every other OC/HC w/o an OL which can block. No doubt..I've been talking about the OL being THE problem for almost ten years. But I thought with what they had they could afford to go WR. Although I was disappointed they didn't release and replace solder. Unfortunately they couldn’t. The cap hit was a problem.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 12, 2021 12:00:55 GMT -5
We won't know that for a few years. And a lot depends on that top 10 Bears pick. Ask yourself this though, would you rather Parsons or Slater, knowing what they are now, or Toney and the gamble of a top 10 pick next year? Maybe the Giants could trade both high picks again this year, draft positions other than line and pass rushers, keep losing and check back in a few more years. Went from Slater and Zeitler on the right side to this. Brilliant. Thanks Philly, b/c of the Eagles aggressiveness the Giants would have a receiver and no extra pick. Gettleman is the dumbest GM we’ve ever had. Yea I do like the extra #1 pick instead of Devante Smith. As someone already has said just because both Slater and Parsons have become great rookie players and were sorry we didn't get either of them it still doesn't make the trade back a bad trade. 2 extra picks and one is a #1 this year. I wish we went an OL or a DL preferably an edge say like Oweh from Penn St. but we get that OL stud this year and a stud edge rusher as well. Now if Toney becomes worth while then we will have made the right move by getting an extra stud player. We'll see what happens.
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