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Post by Speedman on May 30, 2018 18:35:17 GMT -5
Be clear. Does your answer mean you would want Geno as the backup QB this year? Yes or no will suffice. I think we need a backup quarterback that we can be reasonably confident could do the job if Eli were to go down. At this point in time, the only option to affect that would be to pick up a veteran with fairly significant NFL experience (a guy with at least 100 career passing yards). Geno Smith would fit that bill. Would he be my FIRST choice? No. But would I feel a little more comfortable with Geno on the bench? Yep. So, there you go...I guess my answer is yes. And, apparently I'm not the only one that believes that Geno isn't the worthless scrub that so many on Giants message boards like to portray him as. Following is an article from back in March before the Chargers made him Rivers' backup: www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/dear-nfl-gms-3-reasons-geno-smith-great-fa-signing-article-1.3874086So there are 2 of you. |
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Post by ocgiant on May 30, 2018 19:35:27 GMT -5
I think the HC & GM would be ecstatic if Webb comes in outright wins the back-up roll in training camp and goes out in the preseason and proves himself. I have to believe having a year with the clipboard gives him a certain level of command with the offense and has developed familiarity with the players giving him an advantage this year.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 22:49:06 GMT -5
I think we need a backup quarterback that we can be reasonably confident could do the job if Eli were to go down. At this point in time, the only option to affect that would be to pick up a veteran with fairly significant NFL experience (a guy with at least 100 career passing yards). Geno Smith would fit that bill. Would he be my FIRST choice? No. But would I feel a little more comfortable with Geno on the bench? Yep. So, there you go...I guess my answer is yes. And, apparently I'm not the only one that believes that Geno isn't the worthless scrub that so many on Giants message boards like to portray him as. Following is an article from back in March before the Chargers made him Rivers' backup: www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/dear-nfl-gms-3-reasons-geno-smith-great-fa-signing-article-1.3874086So there are 2 of you. There are more than two of us. |
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Post by Sarcasman on May 31, 2018 1:15:55 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what the plans of the FO are. If they are about the future no, he's not a better option. He was a better option last year in the mind of a HC who is no longer there. Do you believe that McAdoo was alone in that assessment? In what assessment specifically? |
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Post by Delicreep on May 31, 2018 8:06:03 GMT -5
Do you think that’s a bad thing for the Giants? Well, Geno Smith was clearly the better option between he and Davis Webb in week 13 of last season. So, six months later...has that changed dramatically? Doesn't "better option" hinge completely on what you were trying to accomplish? If the goal was to give your team the best chance to win in week 13, then Geno was the right choice. If the goal was to look to the future, then Geno was absolutely the wrong choice...unless Ben somehow believed that Geno was a solid starter for us in the future. |
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Post by DandyDon on May 31, 2018 10:04:55 GMT -5
Well, Geno Smith was clearly the better option between he and Davis Webb in week 13 of last season. So, six months later...has that changed dramatically? unless Ben somehow believed that Geno was a solid starter for us in the future. I think that was absolutely what Ben believed. I think he thought Geno was a much better fit for "his" offense than either Eli or Webb. And it was this insistence on forcing players to mold to his offense that eventually got him fired. He had one of the worst offenses in the league for the 2 years he was HC. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 10:56:16 GMT -5
Do you believe that McAdoo was alone in that assessment? In what assessment specifically? That Geno Smith was more ready than Davis Webb to come in and start. |
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Post by Delicreep on May 31, 2018 12:10:16 GMT -5
unless Ben somehow believed that Geno was a solid starter for us in the future. I think that was absolutely what Ben believed. I think he thought Geno was a much better fit for "his" offense than either Eli or Webb. And it was this insistence on forcing players to mold to his offense that eventually got him fired. He had one of the worst offenses in the league for the 2 years he was HC. I liked the Geno signing...very good man to have as a back up. But if the math ben was doing was that he could carry the load as our starter, then he should have been fired on the spot. |
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Post by DandyDon on May 31, 2018 12:41:11 GMT -5
In what assessment specifically? That Geno Smith was more ready than Davis Webb to come in and start. Since Ben didnt have Webb take a snap in practice with the starters all year, I dont know what other assessment he could have made. Geno was obviously more ready, because Ben didnt have Webb even close to being ready. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 31, 2018 12:58:35 GMT -5
That Geno Smith was more ready than Davis Webb to come in and start. Since Ben didnt have Webb take a snap in practice with the starters all year, I dont know what other assessment he could have made. Geno was obviously more ready, because Ben didnt have Webb even close to being ready. We had a member on the "old board" who was present for Giant's practices early last season, who mentioned Geno's learning of the offensive scheme had him only working on half field formations. And sure enough, when put in that regular season game - he basically just threw to one option. |
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Post by Sarcasman on May 31, 2018 13:00:54 GMT -5
In what assessment specifically? That Geno Smith was more ready than Davis Webb to come in and start. As I said previously, it depends on the circumstances. If it’s about the future of the franchise, Webb is the better option. If it’s about trying to go 3-10, Smith is your guy. |
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Post by Delicreep on May 31, 2018 13:16:01 GMT -5
That Geno Smith was more ready than Davis Webb to come in and start. Since Ben didnt have Webb take a snap in practice with the starters all year, I dont know what other assessment he could have made. Geno was obviously more ready, because Ben didnt have Webb even close to being ready. That to me was unexplainable...unless he really did think Gemo was his ticket to the promise land. |
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Post by Speedman on May 31, 2018 13:45:26 GMT -5
Since Ben didnt have Webb take a snap in practice with the starters all year, I dont know what other assessment he could have made. Geno was obviously more ready, because Ben didnt have Webb even close to being ready. That to me was unexplainable...unless he really did think Gemo was his ticket to the promise land. Shows how stupid he was. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 13:56:29 GMT -5
Since Ben didnt have Webb take a snap in practice with the starters all year, I dont know what other assessment he could have made. Geno was obviously more ready, because Ben didnt have Webb even close to being ready. That to me was unexplainable...unless he really did think Gemo was his ticket to the promise land. or, maybe Webb just wasn't developing the way Giants coaches would have liked. That IS possible, after all. |
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Post by Delicreep on May 31, 2018 14:00:59 GMT -5
That to me was unexplainable...unless he really did think Gemo was his ticket to the promise land. or, maybe Webb just wasn't developing the way Giants coaches would have liked. That IS possible, after all. It's also not relevant, in my opinion. Play Geno and gain absolutely nothing in terms of a look at the future, or play Webb and learn something. They reduced the damn playbook for Geno (and reduced his reads in half) they could have designed something for Webb and gained some knowledge. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 15:37:23 GMT -5
or, maybe Webb just wasn't developing the way Giants coaches would have liked. That IS possible, after all. Play Geno and gain absolutely nothing in terms of a look at the future, or play Webb and learn something. Like, "he looks good at the bottom of a dogpile"? |
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Post by Delicreep on May 31, 2018 18:56:12 GMT -5
Play Geno and gain absolutely nothing in terms of a look at the future, or play Webb and learn something. Like, "he looks good at the bottom of a dogpile"? Hmmmm...it's almost like you aren't interested in any discussion at all, but rather endlessly proving how right you are and avoiding any sort of discussion.
But maybe you are right...Webb probably wouldn't have been able to throw even a single pass, make a single read of a D, set a single protections or do anything that would allow anyone to evaluate him in any way.
Good discussion.
Maybe you can add your patented we should have drafted a QB post to the thread.
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Post by DonnieYen on May 31, 2018 19:55:05 GMT -5
I think Webb Will be the second String hopefully Lauletta will win the third string and move up the pecking order as time goes on. We will see.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 20:07:13 GMT -5
Like, "he looks good at the bottom of a dogpile"? Hmmmm...it's almost like you aren't interested in any discussion at all, but rather endlessly proving how right you are and avoiding any sort of discussion.
But maybe you are right...Webb probably wouldn't have been able to throw even a single pass, make a single read of a D, set a single protections or do anything that would allow anyone to evaluate him in any way.
Good discussion.
Maybe you can add your patented we should have drafted a QB post to the thread.
Well, there really isn't much to discuss in relation to Webb since he hasn't taken a snap. So, let's talk about another rookie QB last year...Nathan Peterman. Peterman went 24 of 49, for 252 yards, 2 TDs, and 5 INTs. So...what say you? Is Nathan Peterman going to be a great quarterback? Or, is a steaming pile of human garbage? Or, something in-between? With 49 career passing attempts under his belt, I'm sure you've got his future trajectory all mapped out. I would love to hear your analysis. Oh, and btw...we should have drafted a QB with the #2 pick  |
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Post by Speedman on May 31, 2018 21:45:13 GMT -5
Like, "he looks good at the bottom of a dogpile"? Hmmmm...it's almost like you aren't interested in any discussion at all, but rather endlessly proving how right you are and avoiding any sort of discussion.
But maybe you are right...Webb probably wouldn't have been able to throw even a single pass, make a single read of a D, set a single protections or do anything that would allow anyone to evaluate him in any way.
Good discussion.
Maybe you can add your patented we should have drafted a QB post to the thread.
He can’t discuss anything without pushing his agenda that they should have taken a QB at 2. He will knock Webb down without seeing him take a snap to further his agenda. |
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Post by Morehead State on May 31, 2018 21:59:16 GMT -5
Hmmmm...it's almost like you aren't interested in any discussion at all, but rather endlessly proving how right you are and avoiding any sort of discussion.
But maybe you are right...Webb probably wouldn't have been able to throw even a single pass, make a single read of a D, set a single protections or do anything that would allow anyone to evaluate him in any way.
Good discussion.
Maybe you can add your patented we should have drafted a QB post to the thread.
He can’t discuss anything without pushing his agenda that they should have taken a QB at 2. He will knock Webb down without seeing him take a snap to further his agenda. One man's "agenda" is another man's "opinion". |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 0:40:08 GMT -5
Hmmmm...it's almost like you aren't interested in any discussion at all, but rather endlessly proving how right you are and avoiding any sort of discussion.
But maybe you are right...Webb probably wouldn't have been able to throw even a single pass, make a single read of a D, set a single protections or do anything that would allow anyone to evaluate him in any way.
Good discussion.
Maybe you can add your patented we should have drafted a QB post to the thread.
He can’t discuss anything without pushing his agenda that they should have taken a QB at 2. He will knock Webb down without seeing him take a snap to further his agenda. ...as opposed to your agenda, which seems to be to respond to every one of my posts with some version of "he wanted a QB at #2". |
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 1, 2018 6:03:37 GMT -5
He can’t discuss anything without pushing his agenda that they should have taken a QB at 2. He will knock Webb down without seeing him take a snap to further his agenda. One man's "agenda" is another man's "opinion". Here's the difference:
I have an opinion that "Breaking Bad" was great. I have an agenda if I bring that up when other people are discussing hardware stores.
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Post by Speedman on Jun 1, 2018 6:20:23 GMT -5
He can’t discuss anything without pushing his agenda that they should have taken a QB at 2. He will knock Webb down without seeing him take a snap to further his agenda. One man's "agenda" is another man's "opinion". Not really. That guy just can’t let it go. At least wait until the season starts to see what happens. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 1, 2018 6:51:05 GMT -5
One man's "agenda" is another man's "opinion". Not really. That guy just can’t let it go. At least wait until the season starts to see what happens. Well we all seem to have problems "letting things go". That includes both you and me as well. If a poster feels strongly about a decision the team has made he is certainly allowed to express it. If a discussion about a player relates to that opinion he's allowed to bring it back up. Just as you do and just as well as I do. How many times has JR been brought back up over the past several months? We think OUR strong opinions are just that. We think someone else's strong opinion that we happen to disagree with is an "agenda". It's just the way the human mind works. Maybe making your argument is the best way to deal with each other instead of questioning each others motives. |
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Post by Speedman on Jun 1, 2018 14:01:34 GMT -5
Not really. That guy just can’t let it go. At least wait until the season starts to see what happens. Well we all seem to have problems "letting things go". That includes both you and me as well. If a poster feels strongly about a decision the team has made he is certainly allowed to express it. If a discussion about a player relates to that opinion he's allowed to bring it back up. Just as you do and just as well as I do. How many times has JR been brought back up over the past several months? We think OUR strong opinions are just that. We think someone else's strong opinion that we happen to disagree with is an "agenda". It's just the way the human mind works. Maybe making your argument is the best way to deal with each other instead of questioning each others motives. You can defend him if you wish, but he is over the top on this issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 15:01:58 GMT -5
Well we all seem to have problems "letting things go". That includes both you and me as well. If a poster feels strongly about a decision the team has made he is certainly allowed to express it. If a discussion about a player relates to that opinion he's allowed to bring it back up. Just as you do and just as well as I do. How many times has JR been brought back up over the past several months? We think OUR strong opinions are just that. We think someone else's strong opinion that we happen to disagree with is an "agenda". It's just the way the human mind works. Maybe making your argument is the best way to deal with each other instead of questioning each others motives. You can defend him if you wish, but he is over the top on this issue. ...and I'm sure that if I was instead saying how happy I am that the Giants drafted Barkley with the #2 overall you would have just as much problem with it. Why don't you just admit it? You don't like what I'm saying. It has nothing to do with how many times I may or may not say it. |
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 1, 2018 15:20:26 GMT -5
You can defend him if you wish, but he is over the top on this issue. ...and I'm sure that if I was instead saying how happy I am that the Giants drafted Barkley with the #2 overall you would have just as much problem with it. Why don't you just admit it? You don't like what I'm saying. It has nothing to do with how many times I may or may not say it. Don't kid yourself...it's the sheer volume of the exact same post that gets to me, and this from what I had assumed was a smart poster. I have a friend who bought a new Lamborghini recently, yet somehow, he seems to slip that into conversations less often than you slip in how we should have drafted a QB. I would ask you what the weather is where you are, but I am pretty sure the answer is, "we should have drafted a QB, and maybe it's raining".It's a total substitute for any discussion or insight on your part. |
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Post by Speedman on Jun 1, 2018 16:55:05 GMT -5
You can defend him if you wish, but he is over the top on this issue. ...and I'm sure that if I was instead saying how happy I am that the Giants drafted Barkley with the #2 overall you would have just as much problem with it. Why don't you just admit it? You don't like what I'm saying. It has nothing to do with how many times I may or may not say it. I wanted them to trade back in the draft, but I am not on here bringing it up in every thread. That is the difference between you and me. |
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Post by Merc on Jun 3, 2018 14:11:27 GMT -5
or, maybe Webb just wasn't developing the way Giants coaches would have liked. That IS possible, after all. It's also not relevant, in my opinion. Play Geno and gain absolutely nothing in terms of a look at the future, or play Webb and learn something. They reduced the damn playbook for Geno (and reduced his reads in half) they could have designed something for Webb and gained some knowledge. Ben's playbook was a short story. I don't think Geno was given a chance to succeed. It looked like the plays were called to make him look bad. Obviously the Chargers saw it that way. |
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