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Post by te88 on Jan 10, 2022 21:54:06 GMT -5
Well I can’t say I have any more faith in Mara but that’s also why I’ve got a little more optimism at the end of today than I had before. Because it’s finally starting to look like he may be prepping to hand things over…at least more than he ever has.
It appears the Giants are doing what they should have done when they fired Jerry Reese - a truly exhaustive GM search. Not sure what interviews they will end up getting but a lot of looks outside the organization and usual Giants circles…Chiefs, Titans, 49ers, Cardinals, Bills. This is more than I was expecting.
Plus Joe Dope has not been promised his job. More than likely it appears he has been told he will be pleading his case to the new GM rather than ownership. Hence Judges endorsement of Abrams.
More than likely it appears an outside GM will be hired. And he WILL fire Joe Judge. Either this offseason or after 2022.
The thing that will really tell you how fa back Mara is stepping is if Chris retains his job. If he resigns…I will be cautiously optimistic that the owners statement today about the new GM being in control of Coaching, Player Personnel and College Scouting is actually the truth.
Optimistic….cautiously
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 10, 2022 22:36:58 GMT -5
I feel like Mara letting the GM decide on Judge is the type of “pass-the-buck” Weenie-ness that Mara is all about. Remember he fired Reese and McAdoo for carrying out a plan that he approved?
I do agree that they do seem to be casting a wide net in their search … unlike the last GM search. Cautiously encouraged
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Post by spaceweather on Jan 10, 2022 22:39:07 GMT -5
I feel like Mara letting the GM decide on Judge is the type of “pass-the-buck” Weenie-ness that Mara is all about. Remember he fired Reese and McAdoo for carrying out a plan that he approved? I do agree that they do seem to be casting a wide net in their search … unlike the last GM search. Cautiously encouraged Until it ends up being Ossenfort who will be the only one ok with keeping Judge, hope I am wrong.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 10, 2022 22:45:04 GMT -5
Well I can’t say I have any more faith in Mara but that’s also why I’ve got a little more optimism at the end of today than I had before. Because it’s finally starting to look like he may be prepping to hand things over…at least more than he ever has. It appears the Giants are doing what they should have done when they fired Jerry Reese - a truly exhaustive GM search. Not sure what interviews they will end up getting but a lot of looks outside the organization and usual Giants circles…Chiefs, Titans, 49ers, Cardinals, Bills. This is more than I was expecting. Plus Joe Dope has not been promised his job. More than likely it appears he has been told he will be pleading his case to the new GM rather than ownership. Hence Judges endorsement of Abrams. More than likely it appears an outside GM will be hired. And he WILL fire Joe Judge. Either this offseason or after 2022. The thing that will really tell you how fa back Mara is stepping is if Chris retains his job. If he resigns…I will be cautiously optimistic that the owners statement today about the new GM being in control of Coaching, Player Personnel and College Scouting is actually the truth. Optimistic….cautiously I think if they give the new hire the freedom to fire or keep Judge and do what ever he needs to do with this roster to get it going in the right direction the job just became a lot more attractive, a solid Defense and Special teams and an offense to build with a plethora of picks. It does seem Mara isn't playing games this time around, when Judge asked for Abrams, Abrams seems to have been taken off the candidate list, I don't know if Chris Mara will give up his title but it sure seems like it is true he doesn't have much to do with anything anymore maybe to please the masses he comes off the list of front office employees.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 10, 2022 22:51:27 GMT -5
I feel like Mara letting the GM decide on Judge is the type of “pass-the-buck” Weenie-ness that Mara is all about. Remember he fired Reese and McAdoo for carrying out a plan that he approved? I do agree that they do seem to be casting a wide net in their search … unlike the last GM search. Cautiously encouraged Until it ends up being Ossenfort who will be the only one ok with keeping Judge, hope I am wrong. Well can you blame him look at the GM he was saddled with by the ownership.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 10, 2022 22:54:47 GMT -5
I feel like Mara letting the GM decide on Judge is the type of “pass-the-buck” Weenie-ness that Mara is all about. Remember he fired Reese and McAdoo for carrying out a plan that he approved? I do agree that they do seem to be casting a wide net in their search … unlike the last GM search. Cautiously encouraged What has me more optimistic is the fact that Abrams per reports is not in consideration for the GM job the guy Judge wanted. In Mara's mind this is the way to be fare about it letting the new GM have the control of who will coach his baby, This went from completely not optimistic to being semi optimistic, not sure if having ties to New England is enough to have a guy risk the early part of his opportunity as a GM on a bumble head like Judge. This new Candidate has a decent chance to turn this around pretty quickly the Defense is good enough to win with and Special teams, who ever it is will have a lot of quality draft capital to get this offense going.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 10, 2022 23:03:59 GMT -5
I feel like Mara letting the GM decide on Judge is the type of “pass-the-buck” Weenie-ness that Mara is all about. Remember he fired Reese and McAdoo for carrying out a plan that he approved? I do agree that they do seem to be casting a wide net in their search … unlike the last GM search. Cautiously encouraged Until it ends up being Ossenfort who will be the only one ok with keeping Judge, hope I am wrong. Ossenfort is about one of the best candidates out there regardless to his ties with judge or not
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 10, 2022 23:09:30 GMT -5
Until it ends up being Ossenfort who will be the only one ok with keeping Judge, hope I am wrong. Ossenfort is about one of the best candidates out there regardless to his ties with judge or not This isn't Friends day, if Ossenfort or anyone else hired thinks Judge with the talent they can supply him with can help them win then they will keep him, These are smarter people then us, I think he's gonna be gone unless it's a late hire he might get shot to pull the Rabbit out of his hat.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 10, 2022 23:49:21 GMT -5
I need a lot more information before I can talk optimism. Today just seemed like more of the same mess. We're finally getting good outside candidates we always wanted, and the entire process has been complicated with Judge hanging in limbo. They're going to have to lie low and act fast while they conduct interviews, which could take a while. I just don't know how they'll pull all that off while letting the coach twist in the wind and the NY media on their asses. I'll be optimistic when Judge is no longer a part of the equation.
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Post by Martin on Jan 11, 2022 0:01:23 GMT -5
I feel like Mara letting the GM decide on Judge is the type of “pass-the-buck” Weenie-ness that Mara is all about. Remember he fired Reese and McAdoo for carrying out a plan that he approved? I do agree that they do seem to be casting a wide net in their search … unlike the last GM search. Cautiously encouraged I think with all eye balls on him J Mara has a wider search because otherwise it would look bad once he picks another crony in K. Abrams. If history is correct the weenie man Fks this up. Guaranteed! Cautiously encouraged? Please don't let your guard down!! I'm not.
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Post by Martin on Jan 11, 2022 0:04:08 GMT -5
Ossenfort is about one of the best candidates out there regardless to his ties with judge or not This isn't Friends day, if Ossenfort or anyone else hired thinks Judge with the talent they can supply him with can help them win then they will keep him, These are smarter people then us, I think he's gonna be gone unless it's a late hire he might get shot to pull the Rabbit out of his hat. so smart that they still can't put together an oline in over 10 yrs. I would call it negligence!!
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te88
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Post by te88 on Jan 11, 2022 6:31:31 GMT -5
I feel like Mara letting the GM decide on Judge is the type of “pass-the-buck” Weenie-ness that Mara is all about. Remember he fired Reese and McAdoo for carrying out a plan that he approved? I do agree that they do seem to be casting a wide net in their search … unlike the last GM search. Cautiously encouraged I actually agree. But I think he may “fall into” the right thing here and finally out someone in charge. Seems like it could be possible anyway. I do get annoyed just thinking about this again though lol. Think of Jerry Reese…GM for many years, 2 SBs…they fire him mid season and their hiring process consisted of giving Ernie a call to tell them what they wanted to hear. Barely interviewed anyone. When you look back it is no wonder things went so badly. Their team was bad enough to fire the coach and GM mid season and their answer at that time was to “tweak” things. It’s so crazy man. Kinda hoping they do all these interviews so that Mara hears from multiple outside sources what they think of this dog and pony operation and how to fix it. He needs perspective on how bad his team is.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 11, 2022 6:57:22 GMT -5
I am not
I was up until October 2021
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 11, 2022 7:58:31 GMT -5
I am not I was up until October 2021 hopefully real changes are made, and they reel you back in!!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 11, 2022 8:03:36 GMT -5
This isn't Friends day, if Ossenfort or anyone else hired thinks Judge with the talent they can supply him with can help them win then they will keep him, These are smarter people then us, I think he's gonna be gone unless it's a late hire he might get shot to pull the Rabbit out of his hat. so smart that they still can't put together an oline in over 10 yrs. I would call it negligence!! I'm talking about the Candidates Martin. I know were all ticked off but if we were as good as them we would all be working for teams instead of rooting for them lol.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 11, 2022 8:11:57 GMT -5
I am not I was up until October 2021 hopefully real changes are made, and they reel you back in!! I will always get reeled back in. Several times in the past I thought "real changes" were beibg made only to have terrible results.
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Post by Giggles on Jan 11, 2022 8:15:11 GMT -5
I'm not ready to be optimistic. Too many things can still go wrong.
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Post by wtfjjk on Jan 11, 2022 8:30:10 GMT -5
Please do not settle on a Judge connection.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 11, 2022 8:35:15 GMT -5
John’s trouble is not been he picks internal guys or the “Giants way”, it’s that he has a bad lens for evaluating what he needs, and he can’t stay out of the kitchen with that bad lens.
I think he’s still riding confidence for sticking with Coughlin when nearly the entire fan base wanted him fired. it re-enforced a behaviour of sticking to your guns in the face of massive criticism.
The difference between that situation and this one is the team record so I think that blind spot may become visible to him.
But there’s still no evidence that he has a talent for picking who we need.
I won’t be optimistic until he announces a functional replacement for what he does in the organization and that he’s stepping back from his traditional role for a more advisory one when called upon.
Until then, by hiring a new GM he’s going to shift the focus from him and how he interferes to the “hope” of change, regardless of who the pick is. And the focus needs to stay on him and his interference for REAL change to happen.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 11, 2022 8:44:01 GMT -5
Holding my optimism, for now, but I do reserve the right to throw a red faced hissy fit if necessary.
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Post by TEM on Jan 11, 2022 8:54:51 GMT -5
I am not as long as the Shadow FO is in place. (Chris and Tim). Nothing will change.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 11, 2022 9:04:14 GMT -5
Holding my optimism, for now, but I do reserve the right to throw a red faced hissy fit if necessary. we always have that right!!
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 11, 2022 9:29:24 GMT -5
It shows you how pathetic this franchise has been over the years. We’re optimistic solely on that he’s interviewing candidates. Think about for a second, not that we’re winning, or heading in the right direction. We’re getting giddy that John Mara and some other rich guy are putting their fliers out for potential hires. Optimism is a fancy word for hope, we all had it once. Even me, but it got in the way. So I traded it away for a Rodney Hampton rookie card.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 11, 2022 9:35:32 GMT -5
Well I can’t say I have any more faith in Mara but that’s also why I’ve got a little more optimism at the end of today than I had before. Because it’s finally starting to look like he may be prepping to hand things over…at least more than he ever has. It appears the Giants are doing what they should have done when they fired Jerry Reese - a truly exhaustive GM search. Not sure what interviews they will end up getting but a lot of looks outside the organization and usual Giants circles…Chiefs, Titans, 49ers, Cardinals, Bills. This is more than I was expecting. Plus Joe Dope has not been promised his job. More than likely it appears he has been told he will be pleading his case to the new GM rather than ownership. Hence Judges endorsement of Abrams. More than likely it appears an outside GM will be hired. And he WILL fire Joe Judge. Either this offseason or after 2022. The thing that will really tell you how fa back Mara is stepping is if Chris retains his job. If he resigns…I will be cautiously optimistic that the owners statement today about the new GM being in control of Coaching, Player Personnel and College Scouting is actually the truth. Optimistic….cautiously I think if they give the new hire the freedom to fire or keep Judge and do what ever he needs to do with this roster to get it going in the right direction the job just became a lot more attractive, a solid Defense and Special teams and an offense to build with a plethora of picks. It does seem Mara isn't playing games this time around, when Judge asked for Abrams, Abrams seems to have been taken off the candidate list, I don't know if Chris Mara will give up his title but it sure seems like it is true he doesn't have much to do with anything anymore maybe to please the masses he comes off the list of front office employees. I have a problem with the HC lobbying for who the next GM will be, team politics should be none of his business, he should be trying to do a better job himself and stay out of the politics ..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 11, 2022 9:47:36 GMT -5
I think if they give the new hire the freedom to fire or keep Judge and do what ever he needs to do with this roster to get it going in the right direction the job just became a lot more attractive, a solid Defense and Special teams and an offense to build with a plethora of picks. It does seem Mara isn't playing games this time around, when Judge asked for Abrams, Abrams seems to have been taken off the candidate list, I don't know if Chris Mara will give up his title but it sure seems like it is true he doesn't have much to do with anything anymore maybe to please the masses he comes off the list of front office employees. I have a problem with the HC lobbying for who the next GM will be, team politics should be none of his business, he should be trying to do a better job himself and stay out of the politics .. Agree thats why I feel bad for Abrams by all accounts he's ready but it smart of ownership to remove him from consideration this way Judge gets it he is either gonna work with anew face or someone of their choosing is.
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 11, 2022 9:48:38 GMT -5
What is this strange word....optimistic....
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 11, 2022 9:49:34 GMT -5
I have a problem with the HC lobbying for who the next GM will be, team politics should be none of his business, he should be trying to do a better job himself and stay out of the politics .. Agree thats why I feel bad for Abrams by all accounts he's ready but it smart of ownership to remove him from consideration this way Judge gets it he is either gonna work with anew face or someone of their choosing is. I wonder how many of us would still have a job after turning in 2 years of terrible performances...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 11, 2022 10:32:14 GMT -5
Agree thats why I feel bad for Abrams by all accounts he's ready but it smart of ownership to remove him from consideration this way Judge gets it he is either gonna work with anew face or someone of their choosing is. I wonder how many of us would still have a job after turning in 2 years of terrible performances... I want him gone and am hoping the new GM does that and hires his own guy.
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 11, 2022 11:04:21 GMT -5
Agree thats why I feel bad for Abrams by all accounts he's ready but it smart of ownership to remove him from consideration this way Judge gets it he is either gonna work with anew face or someone of their choosing is. I wonder how many of us would still have a job after turning in 2 years of terrible performances... My 9 year anniversary today. I'm on year 11 of terrible performance
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Post by te88 on Jan 11, 2022 11:09:30 GMT -5
John’s trouble is not been he picks internal guys or the “Giants way”, it’s that he has a bad lens for evaluating what he needs, and he can’t stay out of the kitchen with that bad lens. I think he’s still riding confidence for sticking with Coughlin when nearly the entire fan base wanted him fired. it re-enforced a behaviour of sticking to your guns in the face of massive criticism. The difference between that situation and this one is the team record so I think that blind spot may become visible to him. But there’s still no evidence that he has a talent for picking who we need. I won’t be optimistic until he announces a functional replacement for what he does in the organization and that he’s stepping back from his traditional role for a more advisory one when called upon. Until then, by hiring a new GM he’s going to shift the focus from him and how he interferes to the “hope” of change, regardless of who the pick is. And the focus needs to stay on him and his interference for REAL change to happen. What I am hoping is that some/all of these external candidates are able to have a good and frank conversation with him about the state of his team. If all the candidates he interviews say “I would blow it up and fire your coach” maybe he will finally look in the mirror.
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