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Post by BlueReign on Jan 12, 2022 14:03:36 GMT -5
Agreed. There really isn't a QB worth the draft capital this draft and I don't think this team is a QB away from competing so trading for someone like Wilson should be out of the question. With Jones it's a pretty cut and dry situation: a cheap QB in a "show-me" season. If he succeeds, great, if not, we probably have another high draft pick in a draft that hopefully has a top-end QB in it. I don't find the Giants situation to be as dire as some are framing it. Agreed but our cheap qb in a show me year might not even play in 2022 as its ambiguous with his neck situation Then let a journeyman fill the spot. We have two super-premium picks. Build the core here. Getting a Wilson is a bandaid. We need multiple stitches. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2022 14:05:19 GMT -5
Agreed but our cheap qb in a show me year might not even play in 2022 as its ambiguous with his neck situation Then let a journeyman fill the spot. We have two super-premium picks. Build the core here. Getting a Wilson is a bandaid. We need multiple stitches. I 100% agree though with our cap situation I don't even know what we could afford journeyman wise Maybe Fitzmagic? |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 12, 2022 14:09:27 GMT -5
Then let a journeyman fill the spot. We have two super-premium picks. Build the core here. Getting a Wilson is a bandaid. We need multiple stitches. I 100% agree though with our cap situation I don't even know what we could afford journeyman wise Maybe Fitzmagic? QB in the second or third round? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2022 14:15:04 GMT -5
I 100% agree though with our cap situation I don't even know what we could afford journeyman wise Maybe Fitzmagic? QB in the second or third round? I'm thinking very good chamce this happens with a totally new regime.... Just don't want yo pass on a good position player that is a need though that early |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 12, 2022 14:18:30 GMT -5
QB in the second or third round? I'm thinking very good chamce this happens with a totally new regime.... Just don't want yo pass on a good position player that is a need though that early True, but a QB after round 1 gives you a backup, creates options, but doesn't necessarily signal the end for Daniel Jones. I'd rather not see a QB drafted high, but as you said, what other options are there? |
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 12, 2022 14:20:14 GMT -5
QB in the second or third round? I'm thinking very good chamce this happens with a totally new regime.... Just don't want yo pass on a good position player that is a need though that early That last part would be inevitable, if they went QB so early. And would it give any promise of a viable starter, if Jones cannot play or gets hurt again immediately? |
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Post by BlueReign on Jan 12, 2022 14:20:38 GMT -5
Then let a journeyman fill the spot. We have two super-premium picks. Build the core here. Getting a Wilson is a bandaid. We need multiple stitches. I 100% agree though with our cap situation I don't even know what we could afford journeyman wise Maybe Fitzmagic? I’d aim lower. This year isn’t going to be good unless Jones plays well. |
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Post by Bigjeep on Jan 12, 2022 14:34:05 GMT -5
A team should be able to search for the best guy out there without any pressure, but with 3 GM jobs and 7 coaching jobs open time is critical! The best will be swept away quickly!
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2022 14:45:45 GMT -5
The Bears seem to be wanting to castrate their ability to get a good GM with a vision if they end up hiring Flores right away...
So that would leave us and Minnesota...
We should get someone good in theory
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Post by McCherry on Jan 12, 2022 14:57:15 GMT -5
The Bears seem to be wanting to castrate their ability to get a good GM with a vision if they end up hiring Flores right away... So that would leave us and Minnesota... We should get someone good in theory We're in competition with ourselves. Which isn't great odds with this ownership. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 13, 2022 7:17:21 GMT -5
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 13, 2022 10:13:31 GMT -5
What bothers me about the Titans candidates is that they picked Isaiah Wilson in the first round one draft ago. Literally, an all-time bad first round pick
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 13, 2022 10:26:13 GMT -5
What bothers me about the Titans candidates is that they picked Isaiah Wilson in the first round one draft ago. Literally, an all-time bad first round pick I wouldn’t hold it against them. He’s a lazy sack of shit, the Titans could have done stool samples and a questionnaire, and not have know this. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 13, 2022 10:48:04 GMT -5
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Post by 3days on Jan 13, 2022 10:53:01 GMT -5
I don’t pretend to know anything about him but the Bills sure seemed to have built their team right. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 13, 2022 11:08:01 GMT -5
I don’t pretend to know anything about him but the Bills sure seemed to have built their team right. Yeah, hard for a fan to know much about these GM candidates (I'm not even sure how much the media knows). With that caveat in mind, I like what I read about Schoen and Hortiz the most I guess. |
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Post by allnygin on Jan 13, 2022 11:24:29 GMT -5
Good that means this is still a desirable job despite how bad its been the past few years. Lots of what sound like promising candidates on that list. The more the merrier. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2022 11:24:51 GMT -5
What bothers me about the Titans candidates is that they picked Isaiah Wilson in the first round one draft ago. Literally, an all-time bad first round pick Shit happens even to good teams The good teams know how to recover,as they have a good O line still...of course Bobby Hart is an injury away from playing time there but they already found a RT that is functional enough to start This also proves its extremely hard to get a full picture about players minds and hearts |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2022 11:28:03 GMT -5
What bothers me about the Titans candidates is that they picked Isaiah Wilson in the first round one draft ago. Literally, an all-time bad first round pick I wouldn’t hold it against them. He’s a lazy sack of shit, the Titans could have done stool samples and a questionnaire, and not have know this. Yep You don't find this out until the kid gets there.. And usually it happens when a kid realizes he is going to have to work harder at his craft than he ever had 2 within the first week of minicamp when the guy in front of him makes him look stupid You can be Thomas who was badly schooled by Carter early as a rookie who put the work in or you can be Wilson It's the Russian roulette of drafting....you may or may not completely know what you are getting at times |
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Post by thetruth on Jan 13, 2022 11:31:13 GMT -5
from what I understand. She will be a GM sooner rather than later |
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Post by jaymas on Jan 13, 2022 11:31:21 GMT -5
What bothers me about the Titans candidates is that they picked Isaiah Wilson in the first round one draft ago. Literally, an all-time bad first round pick This is very fair. Though it could also be said that the very same team whiffing that bad on a recent draft pick that was supposed to be a cornerstone lineman, adjusted, augmented the roster and is the number 1 seed in the AFC. That's a lens too. Poles is my #1. The Chiefs have been consistent for almost a decade. Andy Reid a huge part of that, but Poles got to learn from him and Veach. I love their brand of offensive football too. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2022 11:31:23 GMT -5
Good that means this is still a desirable job despite how bad its been the past few years. Lots of what sound like promising candidates on that list. The more the merrier. I think it's also because for the first time since Young that the GM position will be the top dog in the chain .. Maybe us being so close to the situation has us feeling none dire about things that the reality going forward with a blank slate and a lot of draft capital |
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Post by allnygin on Jan 13, 2022 11:34:07 GMT -5
Good that means this is still a desirable job despite how bad its been the past few years. Lots of what sound like promising candidates on that list. The more the merrier. I think it's also because for the first time since Young that the GM position will be the top dog in the chain .. Maybe us being so close to the situation has us feeling none dire about things that the reality going forward with a blank slate and a lot of draft capital there is some talent on this team as well, there is draft capital to get some really good players in the top ten or get creative and move back with one of em. The only shitty thing about the Job right now is the CAP and maybe jones (bc of his neck issue), but even then you'd have to think they want their own QB anyway, so maybe they aren't to concerned. Either way, they have some stuff to work with. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2022 11:34:51 GMT -5
from what I understand. She will be a GM sooner rather than later Hell I'd poach that woman that is a recievers/passing game coach from San Fran... When you have what I've started to call an "amoeba offense " where all 5 ball handlers can literally play all 5 spots on the offense equally good out of a base (by position)21 (The FB is a better pass catching route running TE than 70% of actual TEs and a sick blocker,Bothe WRs line up as RBs ..ect)something is going good |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2022 11:37:07 GMT -5
I think it's also because for the first time since Young that the GM position will be the top dog in the chain .. Maybe us being so close to the situation has us feeling none dire about things that the reality going forward with a blank slate and a lot of draft capital there is some talent on this team as well, there is draft capital to get some really good players in the top ten or get creative and move back with one of em. The only shitty thing about the Job right now is the CAP and maybe jones (bc of his neck issue), but even then you'd have to think they want their own QB anyway, so maybe they aren't to concerned. Either way, they have some stuff to work with. Getting the QB will be tricky unless they are more high on some of the guys than we are unless they have a plan to punt till 2023 and do whatever needed then |
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Post by allnygin on Jan 13, 2022 11:38:36 GMT -5
there is some talent on this team as well, there is draft capital to get some really good players in the top ten or get creative and move back with one of em. The only shitty thing about the Job right now is the CAP and maybe jones (bc of his neck issue), but even then you'd have to think they want their own QB anyway, so maybe they aren't to concerned. Either way, they have some stuff to work with. Getting the QB will be tricky unless they are more high on some of the guys than we are unless they have a plan to punt till 2023 and do whatever needed then hoepfully 2023. I do like pickett for some reason but he's a risk, but we need to fix this oline first and foremost.. it just needs to be done. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2022 11:42:12 GMT -5
Getting the QB will be tricky unless they are more high on some of the guys than we are unless they have a plan to punt till 2023 and do whatever needed then hoepfully 2023. I do like pickett for some reason but he's a risk, but we need to fix this oline first and foremost.. it just needs to be done. They are all high risk I like Corral if we HAVE to take one...when he isn't in one of those turnover high phases |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 13, 2022 11:51:31 GMT -5
Good that means this is still a desirable job despite how bad its been the past few years. Lots of what sound like promising candidates on that list. The more the merrier. I think it's also because for the first time since Young that the GM position will be the top dog in the chain .. Maybe us being so close to the situation has us feeling none dire about things that the reality going forward with a blank slate and a lot of draft capital The other two jobs come married to an incumbent QB. Working in Minnesota is a last report for anyone. If the Giants are offering autonomy, that job is the most appealing. Multiple draft picks, no immediate expectations, QB options, future cap flexibility. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2022 11:55:06 GMT -5
I think it's also because for the first time since Young that the GM position will be the top dog in the chain .. Maybe us being so close to the situation has us feeling none dire about things that the reality going forward with a blank slate and a lot of draft capital The other two jobs come married to an incumbent QB. Working in Minnesota is a last report for anyone. If the Giants are offering autonomy, that job is the most appealing. Multiple draft picks, no immediate expectations, QB options, future flexibility. And looking like a GM would have to be married to a qb and coach in Chicago if they go out and hire Flores right away |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 13, 2022 12:05:39 GMT -5
She is highly regarded around the league. As much as I hate the Eagles they seem to get it together fast most of the time a bad time for them is a 1 year thing. they have some front office talent over there same in Dallas once you get past the owner McClay is the guy that keeps them ahead of the curb. |
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