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Post by Roswell on Jan 29, 2022 17:34:47 GMT -5
I hope that Graham is retained. Just add an offense and make a few tweaks to the D.
But Graham and these players on D have an understanding.
No need to fix something that isn’t broken. Bring in a pass rusher and fix the O with the draft.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 29, 2022 17:46:13 GMT -5
I prefer Fangio over Martindale but would be okay with either. There's a reason the Ravens fired Martindale. Martindale was the scapegoat. They actually fired the wrong coordinator. They should have fired Greg Roman the OC but thats another conversation. But I agree with you. Both have an accomplished track record in the NFL. I know Fangio has been around forever but I never really followed him. But Denver did have a great defense and arguably the best secondary in football. Exactly Jackson will never take the next step as long as Roman is there Could you imagine Jackson playing in Dabol's system |
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Post by nick030567 on Jan 29, 2022 18:22:23 GMT -5
Martindale lives and dies with the blitz. Sometimes to a fault. But thats what you get. He blitzes more than Spags. What saved Spags was was the talent in Strahan, Tuck, and Osi for his pass rush.. He didn't blitz all the time. If/when we pick up one of the top edge guys with one of our 1st rd picks we could have 3 pretty good pass rushers. The new guy, Ojulari, and Williams. And the secondary is always better with a pass rush. So whoever the DC is they get this to work with. Thank you. Great post. Aggressive defences aren’t “magic”. They’re high risk high reward. When they work they’re spectacular. When they don’t it looks like a DC is completely incompetent. Fans hate bend but don’t break defences but PG had literally spectacular games with a minimal pass rush and no offense taking pressure off the D. At the end of the day a great d is a great d, it’s not great only if it’s aggressive. I wouldn't even describe PG as bend but don't break. The guy confused QBs with his looks and will send pressure from all different positions in different ways. Graham actually times his blitz calls very well, especially in 2020. He was actually more aggressive in 2020 which kinda makes sense since they were playing at such a high level as a unit |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 29, 2022 20:56:24 GMT -5
Martindale was the scapegoat. They actually fired the wrong coordinator. They should have fired Greg Roman the OC but thats another conversation. But I agree with you. Both have an accomplished track record in the NFL. I know Fangio has been around forever but I never really followed him. But Denver did have a great defense and arguably the best secondary in football. Exactly Jackson will never take the next step as long as Roman is there Could you imagine Jackson playing in Dabol's system Wow ! I hadn't even thought about Jackson in Dabols system. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 29, 2022 20:58:42 GMT -5
Exactly Jackson will never take the next step as long as Roman is there Could you imagine Jackson playing in Dabol's system Wow ! I hadn't even thought about Jackson in Dabols system. Or in Shanahan's system with the mad scientist as OC... Shanahan has a pro style WC passing offense.. |
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Post by yoho on Jan 29, 2022 23:55:03 GMT -5
It would be insane for Dorsey to leave Buffalo. They are going to make him OC there.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 30, 2022 7:47:40 GMT -5
It would be insane for Dorsey to leave Buffalo. They are going to make him OC there. You never know …maybe he is not a McDermott fan but is super-close with Daboll…. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 30, 2022 11:58:16 GMT -5
It would be insane for Dorsey to leave Buffalo. They are going to make him OC there. Agreed, I think he stays. Buffalo was on the doorstep of an AFC Championship game. We’re on a doorstep off a cliff. |
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 30, 2022 12:42:34 GMT -5
Wow ! I hadn't even thought about Jackson in Dabols system. Or in Shanahan's system with the mad scientist as OC... Shanahan has a pro style WC passing offense.. For sure. This may cause a riot in here but a healthy Daniel Jones playing QB for that 49ers squad could win them the SB. Think about how they already run the ball, then throw in his running ability along with play action deep shots. It's only being honest about a player when you think about him elsewhere. |
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Post by houndstoothhat on Jan 30, 2022 23:33:20 GMT -5
No problem w/ the Martindale pick. Would like to see what this D would look like with O and another PR on the other side giving pressure to these NFC East wussies! Just hate the " Lets wait for the other guys to make mistakes." But Dorsey... Could be tricky when and if they find out that DJ is not who they think he might be. Hey, need a QB coach though, so I might be as good as any other.
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Post by lt56 on Jan 31, 2022 0:43:55 GMT -5
I want Graham back that is my #1 Choice at DC, if not then Wink would be a great replacement despite the Ravens Defense not really finishing the season strong but I like his Scheme and how Physical that Ravens Defense plays
Ken Dorsey would be another great hire for DJ, Cam Newton speaks highly of him and give him a lot of credit for his MVP Season back in 2015 on top of his current work with Josh Allen as well.
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Post by rickker20 on Jan 31, 2022 8:09:22 GMT -5
Please don't bring back Graham he is terrible. We need a fresh start not judge's leftovers.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 31, 2022 8:39:06 GMT -5
Please don't bring back Graham he is terrible. We need a fresh start not judge's leftovers. I don't think he was horrible. He was asked to play complimentary defense to the offense. He did exactly that. If he got one edge rusher worth a damn this defense would be different. You can't be aggressive with this offense. We had 15 ints and 83 pass defensed. Bills had 19 ints and 80 pass defensed. Teams needed to pass against the Bills also. If Blake was healthy and we get a OLB that can get to the QB and hold the edge we would easily be on of the better defenses in the league. |
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Post by chino420 on Jan 31, 2022 8:52:48 GMT -5
What people are seemingly forgetting is PG was forced into running a bend but don't bread defense due to personnel and lack of pass rush. He was on record saying he wanted to run a higher pressure scheme but they kept getting beat had to fall back on zone. Its hard to have a respectable defense with little pass rush and zero offense to take the pressure off
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Post by chino420 on Jan 31, 2022 8:54:55 GMT -5
Please don't bring back Graham he is terrible. We need a fresh start not judge's leftovers. I don't think he was horrible. He was asked to play complimentary defense to the offense. He did exactly that. If he got one edge rusher worth a damn this defense would be different. You can't be aggressive with this offense. We had 15 ints and 83 pass defensed. Bills had 19 ints and 80 pass defensed. Teams needed to pass against the Bills also. If Blake was healthy and we get a OLB that can get to the QB and hold the edge we would easily be on of the better defenses in the league. There's a reason he was in consideration for HC positions across the league. He did reasonably well with very little. |
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 31, 2022 8:55:44 GMT -5
I want Graham back that is my #1 Choice at DC, if not then Wink would be a great replacement despite the Ravens Defense not really finishing the season strong but I like his Scheme and how Physical that Ravens Defense plays Ken Dorsey would be another great hire for DJ, Cam Newton speaks highly of him and give him a lot of credit for his MVP Season back in 2015 on top of his current work with Josh Allen as well. I'm very high on Dorsey, especially his synergy with Daboll. This will be interesting to watch to see if Buffalo gives him the gig, otherwise I think it's a shoo in. |
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Post by gmen0820 on Jan 31, 2022 18:59:02 GMT -5
Thinking Chad O’Shea for OC
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2022 19:14:32 GMT -5
I want Graham back that is my #1 Choice at DC, if not then Wink would be a great replacement despite the Ravens Defense not really finishing the season strong but I like his Scheme and how Physical that Ravens Defense plays Ken Dorsey would be another great hire for DJ, Cam Newton speaks highly of him and give him a lot of credit for his MVP Season back in 2015 on top of his current work with Josh Allen as well. I'm very high on Dorsey, especially his synergy with Daboll. This will be interesting to watch to see if Buffalo gives him the gig, otherwise I think it's a shoo in. I have a feeling Buffalo is not going to let him go so easily.. Maybe assistant HC? That would be crippling for that offense |
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