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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 26, 2022 21:03:51 GMT -5
Looking forward to Barkley returning hoping he returns to form. If the oline improves so will all RBs including SB. Would be nice for our backs to actually get through the point of attack a yard or 2 ahead of the LOS consistently for once..instead of our line consistently pushed back 2 plus yards a play |
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Post by Martin on Feb 26, 2022 23:06:51 GMT -5
If the oline improves so will all RBs including SB. Would be nice for our backs to actually get through the point of attack a yard or 2 ahead of the LOS consistently for once..instead of our line consistently pushed back 2 plus yards a play yeah some 2nd level running would be nice and some creativity too. Aside from Thomas I wonder what our Oline will look like. I have a feeling were gonna be surprised by some of the moves made coming up. I know you follow college a lot. I have no clue this year about Oline drafting. I'm out of the loop. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 26, 2022 23:08:56 GMT -5
Would be nice for our backs to actually get through the point of attack a yard or 2 ahead of the LOS consistently for once..instead of our line consistently pushed back 2 plus yards a play yeah some 2nd level running would be nice and some creativity too. Aside from Thomas I wonder what our Oline will look like. I have a feeling were gonna be surprised by some of the moves made coming up. I know you follow college a lot. I have no clue this year about Oline drafting. I'm out of the loop. I have a weird feeling they figure out how to come up with enough cash with the impending cuts to make a decent get for am IOL,probably a guard .. Get 2 day one starters hopefully in the draft...hope we finally get some NFL caliber o line coaching |
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Post by Martin on Feb 26, 2022 23:14:07 GMT -5
If the oline improves so will all RBs including SB. If Barkley’s knee is back, the issue is between his ears. His talent level is so far superior to the other backs. It’s not even close. I would agree with that for sure. If he is right in the head and the oline is better and they utilize him correctly than it could be nice. A few things have to come together though. The last I remember he wasn't in sync, the oline sucked and the play calling was horrid. Double A gap runs meanwhile the safety's and MLB know its coming. The D see's it and even us fans see it. You can pull that off when your oline is badass but not with that crap LOS. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 27, 2022 8:58:11 GMT -5
If Barkley’s knee is back, the issue is between his ears. His talent level is so far superior to the other backs. It’s not even close. I would agree with that for sure. If he is right in the head and the oline is better and they utilize him correctly than it could be nice. A few things have to come together though. The last I remember he wasn't in sync, the oline sucked and the play calling was horrid. Double A gap runs meanwhile the safety's and MLB know its coming. The D see's it and even us fans see it. You can pull that off when your oline is badass but not with that crap LOS. Your line has to be the top line to get away with being so predictable and even then it's a 50/50 proposition,mainly because it's so rare for teams to play a 4 minute offense running out the clock on the ground these days only. At least playing out of shotgun adds a bit of mystery to what the offense will do,especially spread out |
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Post by GameTime on Feb 27, 2022 9:08:48 GMT -5
would much rather have a consistently effective run game than one that is totally dependent on one particular player. Need a two/three guys who can make the run game work. IMO.
SB only stays if it makes sense money wise.
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Post by Martin on Feb 27, 2022 15:18:50 GMT -5
would much rather have a consistently effective run game than one that is totally dependent on one particular player. Need a two/three guys who can make the run game work. IMO. SB only stays if it makes sense money wise. I like this also. RB's get pounded and get hurt so go with a couple guys that complement each other. Moderate contracts that can save money to build in other areas. |
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Post by idkaname on Mar 2, 2022 9:03:10 GMT -5
would much rather have a consistently effective run game than one that is totally dependent on one particular player. Need a two/three guys who can make the run game work. IMO. SB only stays if it makes sense money wise. Exactly what I want, just need the right guys to compliment each other |
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Post by GameTime on Mar 2, 2022 9:48:13 GMT -5
would much rather have a consistently effective run game than one that is totally dependent on one particular player. Need a two/three guys who can make the run game work. IMO. SB only stays if it makes sense money wise. Exactly what I want, just need the right guys to compliment each other the cap wasnt such a concern I think SB stays but he is effecting the cap negatively at the moment based on production vs pay |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 9:52:08 GMT -5
Those making a case to dismiss Barkley will lead the loud rebellion if he goes elsewhere and is a stud. Guaranteed.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 2, 2022 9:56:58 GMT -5
Those making a case to dismiss Barkley will lead the loud rebellion if he goes elsewhere and is a stud. Guaranteed. so what.... why does that matter? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 11:44:01 GMT -5
Those making a case to dismiss Barkley will lead the loud rebellion if he goes elsewhere and is a stud. Guaranteed. so what.... why does that matter? Actually nothing we post matters yet last i checked some discussion includes debate. The debate here includes either keeping Barkley or moving him. I feel the Giants should keep him b/c this with his value is at a low while simply freeing up cap space is not enough. Others seem to want to part ways for what appears to be short sighted reasons. Can either side live with it without debate or will history repeat itself if Barkley is moved elsewhere followed a rebellion and demand hierarchy be fired? Does it matter? Nothing here really does while posting the obvious like, if we can afford him, is a pretty dull topic imo. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 11:49:52 GMT -5
Those making a case to dismiss Barkley will lead the loud rebellion if he goes elsewhere and is a stud. Guaranteed. Maybe, maybe not. But ultimately: Who cares? what’s the play here? Dismiss Barkley b/c you don’t like what he’s done lately yet keep the door cracked so you can call for the GM’s head if he’s successful elsewhere? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 11:56:01 GMT -5
Actually nothing we post matters yet last i checked some discussion includes debate. The debate here includes either keeping Barkley or moving him. I feel the Giants should keep him b/c this with his value is at a low while simply freeing up cap space is not enough. Others seem to want to part ways for what appears to be shirt sighted reasons. Can either side live with it without debate or will history repeat itself if Barkley is moved elsewhere followed a rebellion and demand hierarchy be fired. Does it matter? Nothing here really does while posting the obvious like, if we can afford him, is a pretty dull topic imo. What does Barkley’s production with another team have to do with how the Giants perform? I think some Giants fans are thinking Barkley is pretty talented and if the Giants give him a solid OL, something they haven’t done yet, he may really help the Giants win. Now if the Giants do improve this OL yet find themselves needing a HB with Barkley being successful elsewhere i’m quite certain we’ll read a rebellion questioning why the Giants parted ways with him. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 12:00:30 GMT -5
what’s the play here? Dismiss Barkley b/c you don’t like what he’s done lately yet keep the door cracked so you can call for the GM’s head if he’s successful elsewhere? No, "the play" is simple: who cares? Thanks for you contributions. |
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Post by GameTime on Mar 2, 2022 12:07:25 GMT -5
Oh geeze....I didnt mean to start the bickering parade....
my bad...
sorry
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Post by jmike on Mar 2, 2022 12:27:54 GMT -5
I think the situation among fans depends on a couple of things, if Barkley gets traded and then performs at a high level elsewhere.
If JS and BD turn this team around; people will be happy that we got something in return for a player that wasn't part of the future and happy for SB to have found success elsewhere. Since he seems like a good kid.
If the team continues to struggle, the now stupid trade of Barkley will be of the reasons the fans will point to for wanting a new GM. Since he got rid of our only player and got nothing in return.
Let's revisit near the end of the 2023 season, and see how it turned out. If we haven't made the play-offs by then, we'll likely be discussing a new head coach again anyway.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 12:34:59 GMT -5
I think some Giants fans are thinking Barkley is pretty talented and if the Giants give him a solid OL, something they haven’t done yet, he may really help the Giants win. Now if the Giants do improve this OL yet find themselves needing a HB with Barkley being successful elsewhere i’m quite certain we’ll read a rebellion questioning why the Giants parted ways with him. Do you care or keep track of the rebellions for: Flowers Zeitler Beckham Tomlinson Curtis Riley Remmers etc if i was keeping track i would post your stats. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 12:36:57 GMT -5
Thanks for you contributions. And a preemptive thank you for when you join the rebellion or the darkside. i try to keep consistent and would prefer to call myself out for being wrong than demonstrate a hypocritical 180. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 12:44:48 GMT -5
I think the situation among fans depends on a couple of things, if Barkley gets traded and then performs at a high level elsewhere. If JS and BD turn this team around; people will be happy that we got something in return for a player that wasn't part of the future and happy for SB to have found success elsewhere. Since he seems like a good kid. If the team continues to struggle, the now stupid trade of Barkley will be of the reasons the fans will point to for wanting a new GM. Since he got rid of our only player and got nothing in return. Let's revisit near the end of the 2023 season, and see how it turned out. If we haven't made the play-offs by then, we'll likely be discussing a new head coach again anyway. 👏 - yup, and things will come full circle quickly. |
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Post by jmike on Mar 2, 2022 13:37:22 GMT -5
I think the situation among fans depends on a couple of things, if Barkley gets traded and then performs at a high level elsewhere. If JS and BD turn this team around; people will be happy that we got something in return for a player that wasn't part of the future and happy for SB to have found success elsewhere. Since he seems like a good kid. If the team continues to struggle, the now stupid trade of Barkley will be of the reasons the fans will point to for wanting a new GM. Since he got rid of our only player and got nothing in return. Let's revisit near the end of the 2023 season, and see how it turned out. If we haven't made the play-offs by then, we'll likely be discussing a new head coach again anyway. Again all that matter is how the NYG's do. Period. With or without Barkley. We had Barkley's phenomenal 2018 season. 1300 yards rushing, 91 recs, 721 rec yards, 15 TDs... ...and we still had 5 wins, the 16th ranked offense and 24th ranked running game. You are confusing what matters with what fans will bitch and whine about. Fans will bitch and whine about anything they can find an excuse to bitch and whine about. None of which actually matters to them because they wouldn't bitch and whine about it if the team is winning. |
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Post by Dogecoin on Mar 2, 2022 15:28:58 GMT -5
He has to be an upgrade to this.
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Post by ratbastich on Mar 2, 2022 15:34:46 GMT -5
He has to be an upgrade to this. Don't forget the retirements during training camp |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 2, 2022 15:45:41 GMT -5
He has to be an upgrade to this. Gruesome |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 15:46:48 GMT -5
I think the situation among fans depends on a couple of things, if Barkley gets traded and then performs at a high level elsewhere. If JS and BD turn this team around; people will be happy that we got something in return for a player that wasn't part of the future and happy for SB to have found success elsewhere. Since he seems like a good kid. If the team continues to struggle, the now stupid trade of Barkley will be of the reasons the fans will point to for wanting a new GM. Since he got rid of our only player and got nothing in return. Let's revisit near the end of the 2023 season, and see how it turned out. If we haven't made the play-offs by then, we'll likely be discussing a new head coach again anyway. Again all that matter is how the NYG's do. Period. With or without Barkley. We had Barkley's phenomenal 2018 season. 1300 yards rushing, 91 recs, 721 rec yards, 15 TDs... ...and we still had 5 wins, the 16th ranked offense and 24th ranked running game. What does 2018 have to do with 2022? You know definitely the outcome of future Giants games with or without Barkley? Doesn’t matter whether or not Barkley is in the backfield or not. It’s all irrelevant? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 16:07:04 GMT -5
What does 2018 have to do with 2022? Slow down. Deep breaths. It's going to be okay. jmike is talking about Barkley performing at a high level elsewhere (if traded in 2022) and the "what if" had the Giants just retained him for 2022. I brought up Barkley's only high level performance (2018) and showed that the Giants were still an awful team with him. I'll let you figure out the rest of the simple correlation. No. Where dafuq did you get this from? No clue what you're saying here. thanks for clarifying your directionless position today. |
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 2, 2022 16:29:13 GMT -5
Those making a case to dismiss Barkley will lead the loud rebellion if he goes elsewhere and is a stud. Guaranteed. Bullshit.. He’s a small cog in a damaged wheel. Besides his rookie year, which was a lifetime ago. He has been an often injured, underperforming player. Let him be Fred Astaire for another franchise. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 17:02:25 GMT -5
Those making a case to dismiss Barkley will lead the loud rebellion if he goes elsewhere and is a stud. Guaranteed. Bullshit.. He’s a small cog in a damaged wheel. Besides his rookie year, which was a lifetime ago. He has been an often injured, underperforming player. Let him be Fred Astaire for another franchise. we’ll see. If the Giants sell low and he’s a star elsewhere . . . we’ll see the massive backlash. Proposing to wait and see might label me “Mrs” Barkley” yet i think it makes more sense to put this guy behind a competent line before tossing him. |
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 2, 2022 18:47:00 GMT -5
Bullshit.. He’s a small cog in a damaged wheel. Besides his rookie year, which was a lifetime ago. He has been an often injured, underperforming player. Let him be Fred Astaire for another franchise. we’ll see. If the Giants sell low and he’s a star elsewhere . . . we’ll see the massive backlash. Proposing to wait and see might label me “Mrs” Barkley” yet i think it makes more sense to put this guy behind a competent line before tossing him. We aren’t getting a “competent” offensive line in one offseason. If you aren’t aware, we have four vacancies on the line. Our newly hired general manager is tasked with fixing a sinking ship. As we speak, he’s cutting the fat from our roster. We’re in full rebuild mode right now, no point keeping him if we can get something for him. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 18:58:11 GMT -5
we’ll see. If the Giants sell low and he’s a star elsewhere . . . we’ll see the massive backlash. Proposing to wait and see might label me “Mrs” Barkley” yet i think it makes more sense to put this guy behind a competent line before tossing him. We aren’t getting a “competent” offensive line in one offseason. If you aren’t aware, we have four vacancies on the line. Our newly hired general manager is tasked with fixing a sinking ship. As we speak, he’s cutting the fat from our roster. We’re in full rebuild mode right now, no point keeping him if we can get something for him. and i thought was all Judge’s fault. The guy gets his full salary plus a new gig and gets away from this mess. Not bad. |
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