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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 7:33:43 GMT -5
This guy got paid a crapload of money but he has not proven his worth at all. Pugh was a better left tackle. Solder gets beat inside and outside on the run and pass. What a waste of cash.
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Post by TGTW92 on Oct 1, 2018 7:50:32 GMT -5
how many players that the patriots have let go do well with a new team? even Vereen was horrible for us. i wasn't thrilled with the signing.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 1, 2018 9:16:55 GMT -5
He is an upgrade over Flowers. He is an average OT. This was known when they signed him. Patriots are a system, not individual players. Sure Brady and Gronk are 2 greats but if they left NE they would even struggle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 9:19:28 GMT -5
Everyone sucks it seems but the one constant all these years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 9:22:22 GMT -5
He is an upgrade over Flowers. He is an average OT. This was known when they signed him. Patriots are a system, not individual players. Sure Brady and Gronk are 2 greats but if they left NE they would even struggle. Saying that someone is an upgrade over Flowers is like saying constipation is better than diarrhea. We overpay just about every single FA we bring in here and they never play anywhere near their pay grade. It gets really old.... they draft like garbage so have very little cheap talent on the team, overpay for average free agents, and refuse to get rid of Eli and his 24 mil. a year cap crushing salary. The team is just run terribly, DG is as clueless as JR. |
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Post by jaymas on Oct 1, 2018 9:33:31 GMT -5
FAs are always overpaid, especially the top tier ones. Every, single year, by every team.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 1, 2018 10:08:11 GMT -5
He is an upgrade over Flowers. He is an average OT. This was known when they signed him. Patriots are a system, not individual players. Sure Brady and Gronk are 2 greats but if they left NE they would even struggle. Think Solder was a signing to buy them time to draft some players in here,I read an article and buried in snow confirmed it after next year his contract is easy outs that would give them time to draft a left and right tackle, there backs were against the wall they had to do something, when free agent shopping you don't want to be looking for OLs especially tackles and pass rushers you will pay through the nose for average look at OVs contract he was the top dog now he is probably top 5. |
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 1, 2018 10:57:36 GMT -5
We all knew he was way overpaid.
And it’s a shame, we had to overspend for an average left tackle because Reese couldn’t find a decent lineman if his life depended on it.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 1, 2018 11:00:01 GMT -5
We all knew he was way overpaid. And it’s a shame, we had to overspend for an average left tackle because Reese couldn’t find a decent lineman if Giants life depended on it. Reeses damage to this team will go on for another 4-5 years |
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Post by u2good on Oct 1, 2018 11:05:19 GMT -5
FAs are always overpaid, especially the top tier ones. Every, single year, by every team. Perhaps that's because good players don't want to play for a 3-13 team that has missed the playoff 5 times in the past 6 years. So the Giants HAVE TO overpay to get some players here. |
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Post by sanddc178 on Oct 1, 2018 11:08:18 GMT -5
FAs are always overpaid, especially the top tier ones. Every, single year, by every team. Perhaps that's because good players don't want to play for a 3-13 team that has missed the playoff 5 times in the past 6 years. So the Giants HAVE TO overpay to get some players here. This is the thing--imagine our offense without Solder ... ... that's why we overpaid for pretty average tackle. |
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 1, 2018 11:13:17 GMT -5
FAs are always overpaid, especially the top tier ones. Every, single year, by every team. Perhaps that's because good players don't want to play for a 3-13 team that has missed the playoff 5 times in the past 6 years. So the Giants HAVE TO overpay to get some players here. Bad teams have to overspend in free agency because they aren’t hitting in their drafts. Look at all the good teams throughout the league, they draft well. And use free agency to plug holes. Bad teams like the Giants use free agency to build their roster. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 11:14:48 GMT -5
He is an upgrade over Flowers. He is an average OT. This was known when they signed him. Patriots are a system, not individual players. Sure Brady and Gronk are 2 greats but if they left NE they would even struggle. Saying that someone is an upgrade over Flowers is like saying constipation is better than diarrhea. We overpay just about every single FA we bring in here and they never play anywhere near their pay grade. It gets really old.... they draft like garbage so have very little cheap talent on the team, overpay for average free agents, and refuse to get rid of Eli and his 24 mil. a year cap crushing salary. The team is just run terribly, DG is as clueless as JR. "Saying that someone is an upgrade over Flowers is like saying constipation is better than diarrhea." LOL |
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Post by jaymas on Oct 1, 2018 11:14:50 GMT -5
FAs are always overpaid, especially the top tier ones. Every, single year, by every team. Perhaps that's because good players don't want to play for a 3-13 team that has missed the playoff 5 times in the past 6 years. So the Giants HAVE TO overpay to get some players here. No, what I said is every single team overpays. It's not exclusive to the Giants. It's just what free agency is. |
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 1, 2018 11:16:10 GMT -5
This guy got paid a crapload of money but he has not proven his worth at all. Pugh was a better left tackle. Solder gets beat inside and outside on the run and pass. What a waste of cash. i wouldnt say pugh was a better lt, cause its not true. solder is slightly above average and yes we overpaid for him, but thats how the market was at the time. personally i would have rather gotten norwell, but hey hindsight is 20/20 he had a poor game after having a great game in houston, this season is gonna be a rollercoaster my dude |
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 1, 2018 11:17:24 GMT -5
how many players that the patriots have let go do well with a new team? even Vereen was horrible for us. i wasn't thrilled with the signing. it really is weird, whenever someone leaves the pats theyre a shell of themselves guess theyre mostly products of the system |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 2, 2018 13:28:33 GMT -5
FAs are always overpaid, especially the top tier ones. Every, single year, by every team. Perhaps that's because good players don't want to play for a 3-13 team that has missed the playoff 5 times in the past 6 years. So the Giants HAVE TO overpay to get some players here. If you miss in the draft on Oline or pass rusher which we did you will pay through the nose no matter who you are, good teams don't miss that much thats why they are good. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 2, 2018 13:50:49 GMT -5
First of all don't expect Solder to turn into Anthony Munez or Jonathon Ogden cause he got a kings ransom. Yes he was overpaid, the Giants were desperate for a LT. Right place right time. Did you want to go through another year with Flowers at LT ?
Solder is average to better than average, but for us it's a tremendous step up. But you see what a mess RT is we could have that on the left side as well, or instead of the right side we could have continued the weakness at LT. Solder was the best LT on the market or in the draft. We got him so what we overpaid it's an improvement big time. Right now Solder is the least problem we have on this crap offense, especially the OL.
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Post by bizcliz on Oct 2, 2018 14:07:43 GMT -5
Echoing what everyone else is saying: Solder is an upgrade at the LT position and a good team guy, but he is not great.
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Post by ocgiant on Oct 2, 2018 14:11:41 GMT -5
We all knew he was way overpaid. And it’s a shame, we had to overspend for an average left tackle because Reese couldn’t find a decent lineman if Giants life depended on it. Reeses damage to this team will go on for another 4-5 years To rebuild a team, it not so easy to do... it is complicated... between filling positional holes with free agents that may or may not pan out... such is the case with the Giants as of late... add to that poor high draft selections like Flowers... then young players that need time to develop... equals about 4 to 5 years... plus the Giants need a QB of the future... spot on timing wise... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 4:46:20 GMT -5
I forgot to mention, switching to a 3-4 was a bd idea at this time. Instead of just needing to acquire talent for the o-line, the team also needs talent for the new positions on defense.
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Post by Merc on Oct 3, 2018 11:34:17 GMT -5
Echoing what everyone else is saying: Solder is an upgrade at the LT position and a good team guy, but he is not great. He is better than anyone available in the draft and free agency. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 3, 2018 11:46:36 GMT -5
At least there haven't been any threads sucking off a gritty performance by Wheeler this past week. Pretty sure he also sucked again.
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Post by Merc on Oct 3, 2018 11:50:54 GMT -5
At least there haven't been any threads sucking off a gritty performance by Wheeler this past week. Pretty sure he also sucked again. Let's see, Wheeler started 2 games and he's already better than Flowers. |
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Post by soflo on Oct 3, 2018 11:53:04 GMT -5
Norwell would have been worth paying. That would have given us two absolute maulers inside to run the ball...but then we'd have ereck flowers and and bag of chips getting destroyed on both ends. Instead, we have a serviceable left tackle and a crappy right side.
If things stay on course we have a shot to draft Greg Little. Dude will be a ten year stud at tackle.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 3, 2018 12:02:25 GMT -5
At least there haven't been any threads sucking off a gritty performance by Wheeler this past week. Pretty sure he also sucked again. Let's see, Wheeler started 2 games and he's already better than Flowers. I don't want to burst any bubbles, but he's really not. He sucks, Flowers sucks. Negligible difference other than fans feeling better that it's not Flowers sucking. 100. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 12:09:53 GMT -5
I think all this is just stress building since 2008.
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 3, 2018 12:10:18 GMT -5
How many drive killing flags has Wheeler drawn in his 2 starts? How many tripping the player flags?
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 3, 2018 12:31:44 GMT -5
Let's see, Wheeler started 2 games and he's already better than Flowers. I don't want to burst any bubbles, but he's really not. He sucks, Flowers sucks. Negligible difference other than fans feeling better that it's not Flowers sucking. 100. I think he is marginally better now and has more upside going forward. At the very least he isnt causing a lot of penalties. But bottom line is Eli still doesnt have a lot of confidence in his RT. On that play that Baldinger criticized in another thread, Wheeler basically caused the checkdown to Shep. |
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Post by Merc on Oct 3, 2018 12:44:00 GMT -5
I don't want to burst any bubbles, but he's really not. He sucks, Flowers sucks. Negligible difference other than fans feeling better that it's not Flowers sucking. 100. I think he is marginally better now and has more upside going forward. At the very least he isnt causing a lot of penalties. But bottom line is Eli still doesnt have a lot of confidence in his RT. On that play that Baldinger criticized in another thread, Wheeler basically caused the checkdown to Shep. There isn't an OLineman in the league that can protect this statue. |
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