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Post by jaymas on Sept 20, 2022 18:38:51 GMT -5
More than a good chance. Especially if Giants have a winning season, he performs well, and are drafting in the lower half or so of the first round of the NFL draft. The Giants have position needs far more than a QB. LOL yeah go watch the Bills, Chiefs and even Eagles with Hurts and tell me Daniel Jones is anywhere near that level. You need Elite QB play if you want to win a Super Bowl. Schoen/Dabol will go get their guy, fans should accept that. You sort of had a point until you brought Jalen Hurts into the conversation about "near a level." Maybe we don't put him in the elite tier after his 2 good games to start the season. Though with the team around him, Hurts has no excuse. If he's got the stuff (and he might) it's gonna happen with that roster. Team is stacked. |
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Post by spaceweather on Sept 20, 2022 18:45:03 GMT -5
LOL yeah go watch the Bills, Chiefs and even Eagles with Hurts and tell me Daniel Jones is anywhere near that level. You need Elite QB play if you want to win a Super Bowl. Schoen/Dabol will go get their guy, fans should accept that. You sort of had a point until you brought Jalen Hurts into the conversation about "near a level." Maybe we don't put him in the elite tier after his 2 good games to start the season. Though with the team around him, Hurts has no excuse. If he's got the stuff (and he might) it's gonna happen with that roster. Team is stacked. We watch guys like Joe Flacco throw for over 300 yards yet Giants fans think DJ is playing well. He defines average. And yes, Hurts needs to keep doing it but his dual threat ability along with games like last night make me so confused how Giants fans think DJ is a franchise QB. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 20, 2022 18:54:27 GMT -5
It's probably gonna be Daniel Jones Not a chance. I haven't given up yet. Not sold yet either... |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 20, 2022 19:08:21 GMT -5
I haven't given up yet. Not sold yet either... I’m about 70/30 (70% given up obviously). I don’t even care if he two great games, every game better be damn good from about the 5th game on and lucky for him we have a pretty easy schedule. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 20, 2022 19:12:16 GMT -5
I haven't given up yet. Not sold yet either... I’m about 70/30 (70% given up obviously). I don’t even care if he two great games, every game better be damn good from about the 5th game on and lucky for him we have a pretty easy schedule. I want DJ to be the guy so badly for a few reasons. I am even less hopeful than you. I give a 25% chance of him becoming the guy. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Sept 20, 2022 19:19:10 GMT -5
Most definitely Chad Powers !
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Post by jaymas on Sept 20, 2022 19:22:07 GMT -5
You sort of had a point until you brought Jalen Hurts into the conversation about "near a level." Maybe we don't put him in the elite tier after his 2 good games to start the season. Though with the team around him, Hurts has no excuse. If he's got the stuff (and he might) it's gonna happen with that roster. Team is stacked. We watch guys like Joe Flacco throw for over 300 yards yet Giants fans think DJ is playing well. He defines average. And yes, Hurts needs to keep doing it but his dual threat ability along with games like last night make me so confused how Giants fans think DJ is a franchise QB. Haha c'mon dude. DJ has had games like that in his career. That absolutely can't be the barometer for elite...because DJ isn't, neither is Hurts. The inconsistencies of the arguments on here are astounding. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 20, 2022 19:28:47 GMT -5
hoping Jones earns it.
starting over with a more questions at QB will suck
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Post by miggs on Sept 20, 2022 19:29:26 GMT -5
Much too early to make a judgment.
He hasn't had pass protection and now his quick receiving corp has depleted. He's still has done well even though the OC has not been aggressive with play calls in the first half of games. Nevertheless, in just 2 games he's led the Giants to being in the middle of all NFL teams in scoring.
Daboll has expressed his approval of Jones play and development playing in a new offensive system.br]
Jones will improve his reads as he grows into and masters the offensive system. When he finally gets some pass protection he'll be more than good. He'll be a nightmare to defend as he's smart, accurate, can throw short or long, and can run. Do believe he has the qualities to be a franchise QB!
Looking forward to his having a break-out game in which he puts it all together. Believe it will happen when he has consistent time to pass the ball.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 20, 2022 19:38:12 GMT -5
Trey Lance, that’s funny. If you think DJ has looked bad let me show you Trey Lance.
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Post by miggs on Sept 20, 2022 19:46:11 GMT -5
There's mistakes that posters say Jones has made ( for example, his one interception and his throwing to a third option who is bracketed, or his missing Toney when Toney hasn't been practicing ) that when I evaluate as much on the HC as on Jones. That was even more obvious the last few years when he first joined the Giants.
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Post by southerner on Sept 20, 2022 19:48:14 GMT -5
There's mistakes that posters say Jones has made ( for example, his one interception and his throwing to a third option who is bracketed) that when I evaluate it is more on the HC than Jones. That was even more obvious the last few years when he first joined the Giants. Do not blame the coaches for some of the brain dead throws DJ has let loose……that is all his fault. You can blame the organization for doing a terrible job of supporting him with an offensive line. |
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Post by miggs on Sept 20, 2022 19:53:15 GMT -5
There's mistakes that posters say Jones has made ( for example, his one interception and his throwing to a third option who is bracketed) that when I evaluate it is more on the HC than Jones. That was even more obvious the last few years when he first joined the Giants. Do not blame the coaches for some of the brain dead throws DJ has let loose……that is all his fault. You can blame the organization for doing a terrible job of supporting him with an offensive line. I wish you would acknowledge his multiple throws where he threaded the needle to a covered receiver in traffic. He hasn't missed a lot of throws. He's near the top in the league in pass completion rate. He does need to recognize when to throw the ball out of bounds rather then trying to run forward and being sacked. Nice to see that some posters believe he's played real well. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Sept 20, 2022 20:00:27 GMT -5
I wanna see what Jordan Love can do.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 20, 2022 20:03:43 GMT -5
I’m about 70/30 (70% given up obviously). I don’t even care if he two great games, every game better be damn good from about the 5th game on and lucky for him we have a pretty easy schedule. I want DJ to be the guy so badly for a few reasons. I am even less hopeful than you. I give a 25% chance of him becoming the guy. Same here, I like the guy but I just don’t think he’s our guy, nor should he be, for several reasons. I was also probably 60/40 before the season started but he has only reaffirmed why I don’t think he’ll be here next year. I guess there’s still a small sliver of a chance that he turns into the next JA or PH in the second half of the season and it’s enough to convince them to tag him but I wouldn’t bet on it. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 20, 2022 20:11:04 GMT -5
*popcorn *
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Post by coughlinscorner on Sept 20, 2022 20:16:30 GMT -5
One question, who are all the offensive weapons (outside of Barkley) that Jones is holding back? Is he costing David Sills a Pro Bowl spot?
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Post by drew on Sept 20, 2022 21:53:33 GMT -5
It's probably gonna be Daniel Jones Not a chance. For all the complaining about Daniel Jones, he really hasn't played badly. He's managed the game well despite his offensive line leaking pressure up the middle as soon as the ball is snapped. If things keep going the way they're going then the Giants won't be able to get a quality replacement because 1) The 2023 FA QB class is terrible and 2) This team has too many holes to move up to draft a quality QB. I think once the offensive line issues work themselves out, Daniel Jones will play better and the team will bring him back on a deal that won't break the bank. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 20, 2022 22:21:46 GMT -5
My way to early take. Two games in dj isn’t worth locking up long term and having him eat up a good chunk of cap. We’ll probably be outta whoever is the consensus one or two qb. So, ride tyrod patch up some holes in fa, lock up at with the money that Jones would probably eat up draft a guard or cb with an early rd pick and continue building the team and figure out the qb situation after the 23 season.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 20, 2022 22:23:43 GMT -5
It's I don't know
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Post by allnygin on Sept 20, 2022 22:26:11 GMT -5
One question, who are all the offensive weapons (outside of Barkley) that Jones is holding back? Is he costing David Sills a Pro Bowl spot? No but he’s certainly doing a good enough job at costing himself one though. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 20, 2022 22:30:35 GMT -5
hoping Jones earns it. starting over with a more questions at QB will suck They need to have consistent Improvement up front to help him out then they will see if he is good enough or if they need to get back into the QB market. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 20, 2022 22:33:04 GMT -5
One question, who are all the offensive weapons (outside of Barkley) that Jones is holding back? Is he costing David Sills a Pro Bowl spot? Think that take is twisted lol the guys he throws to might be holding him back more then him holding them back. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 20, 2022 22:43:12 GMT -5
Trey Lance? Think if Jimmy G has a good season with the 49ers they just decide to trade Trey Lance him to a QB needy team? Wonder what the market would be for a 3rd year QB that has played only a few snaps. They gave up 3 rd ones for lance they ain’t giving up on him anytime soon |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 20, 2022 23:08:39 GMT -5
Trey Lance? Think if Jimmy G has a good season with the 49ers they just decide to trade Trey Lance him to a QB needy team? Wonder what the market would be for a 3rd year QB that has played only a few snaps. They gave up 3 rd ones for lance they ain’t giving up on him anytime soon That trade is looking awesome for then so far Warning to any fan thinking trading 3 or 4 1sts to move up for a qb will bring an instant upgrade, (looking back on that thus was ultimate high risk,a Div ll school and he didn't play his last year .. ) |
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Post by lt56 on Sept 21, 2022 0:26:03 GMT -5
If DJ is not the guy, I trust that Schoen and Daboll will find the next guy but 49ers not giving up on Trey Lance that easy they would be FOOLISH to do that
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Post by GameTime on Sept 21, 2022 4:32:26 GMT -5
hoping Jones earns it. starting over with a more questions at QB will suck They need to have consistent Improvement up front to help him out then they will see if he is good enough or if they need to get back into the QB market. Jones has to get done despite everything else. With that said the NYGs are rebuilding despite what Jones does. They are preparing for the future either way. Kind of a catch 22 for both parties |
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 21, 2022 5:17:31 GMT -5
For all the complaining about Daniel Jones, he really hasn't played badly. He's managed the game well despite his offensive line leaking pressure up the middle as soon as the ball is snapped. If things keep going the way they're going then the Giants won't be able to get a quality replacement because 1) The 2023 FA QB class is terrible and 2) This team has too many holes to move up to draft a quality QB. I think once the offensive line issues work themselves out, Daniel Jones will play better and the team will bring him back on a deal that won't break the bank. he hasn't played badly, absolutely true, but he has not played well enough yet to get a franchise tag yet, better yet a long term deal. A bit of incremental improvement will go a long way for DJ, but we do need to see it. |
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Post by southerner on Sept 21, 2022 6:03:51 GMT -5
It is clear that Dabol and Schoen will go get their own guy at QB. They like DJ but know he isn’t a franchise QB. Just as they are preparing to jettison Kadaverous and Golladay, Jones will be gone too. There will be discussions about Saquon, but in the end they may franchise him, with the hope of trading him to some team like the Bills, Dolphins, Chiefs or Rams that think they are one player away from the SB.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 21, 2022 6:26:53 GMT -5
It is clear that Dabol and Schoen will go get their own guy at QB. how is that clear after two games? |
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