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Post by miggs on Sept 23, 2022 11:20:19 GMT -5
I hope Jones plays the best game of his career Monday!! Get your buddy Vinnie to say the same thing and all's good here. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2022 12:11:55 GMT -5
I hope Jones plays the best game of his career Monday!! Get your buddy Vinnie to say the same thing and all's good here. You know vinnie hates the Cowboys more than everyone yet you make this response.. Just like everyone knows you're nothing more then a troll.. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 23, 2022 12:38:08 GMT -5
I hope Jones plays the best game of his career Monday!! That is something we can all agree with! |
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Post by SG88 on Sept 23, 2022 13:29:53 GMT -5
I came across this on Twitter earlier today. What do you guys think. I feel like this analysis is fair and accurate.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 23, 2022 13:52:26 GMT -5
I came across this on Twitter earlier today. What do you guys think. I feel like this analysis is fair and accurate. I think Dan is fair but off base in this case. Throwing across your body while running forward is much easier said then done and if picked off people scream dont throw across your body. The ironic thing about Dan speaking about a QB looking down is the play Dan is most famous for is running out of the endzone. |
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Post by presumablygunner on Sept 23, 2022 14:26:20 GMT -5
I came across this on Twitter earlier today. What do you guys think. I feel like this analysis is fair and accurate. Fair point from Dan. Years of pressure can do that and good coaching can fix it. Let's see if that happens throughout the season. |
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Post by miggs on Sept 23, 2022 15:13:31 GMT -5
Get your buddy Vinnie to say the same thing and all's good here. You know vinnie hates the Cowboys more than everyone yet you make this response.. Just like everyone knows you're nothing more then a troll.. Didn't know that Vinnie hated the Cowboys. Glad that both you and Vinnie are rooting for the Giants even though you both believe the Giants are a terrible team. Hope the Giants continue to surprise you. |
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Post by miggs on Sept 23, 2022 15:17:45 GMT -5
Glad to hear Daboll say he has confidence in Jones and that he likes his decision-making "a lot.". Hope that makes some posters here re-think their opinions of Jones. This is great coming from the poster who hates Daboll and his player decisions... Well done!! Not true. I like Daboll. Want to him correct Giants pass protection which is doable. Plays and play calling as well. |
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Post by miggs on Sept 23, 2022 18:11:51 GMT -5
Glad to see poll that says 69 percent of Giants fans now have confidence in Jones.
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 24, 2022 7:58:13 GMT -5
Sadly, DJ doesn't seem like the answer.
He isn't great reading the field, he makes questionable decisions, he too often is short sighted and looks for the quick dump out. He will have a good career in the league as a backup, but he's not our answer moving forward.
Tbh, DG set him up for failure drafting him so high. There was no way he could live up to the hype of being drafted #6 overall after what I saw in college. Dude played like a 2nd rounder at best, yet got drafted top 10. It's not his fault and I'd LOVE for him to prove me wrong, but I don't see it.
Of course I want him to succeed, that's 1 less piece of the puzzle we would have to replace, but even with the rosiest colored glasses on, I don't see it.
I'm still rooting for him every week, but the idea of getting Will Levis in 2023 pickles my cucumber, LOL
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Post by Jomo on Sept 24, 2022 9:58:25 GMT -5
Are advanced analytics accepted here now? Wow, how times have changed I woldn't call "time to throw" an advanced analytic and whatever we call it, after just 3 weeks we don't have any kind of credible sampling. There are just too many variables this early in the season starting with our opponent, then factoring injuries on both sides of the ball, not to mention specific game planning by both sides. |
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Post by krappdetector on Sept 24, 2022 10:25:32 GMT -5
Glad to see poll that says 69 percent of Giants fans now have confidence in Jones. Yeah, the fans are simply geniuses when it comes to QB evaluations, but I don't blame them for hoping. But I find Daboll's remarks more nuanced than that, namely "... (DJ's) decision-making process – where he’s gone with the football – he’s made the right decision, I’d say, a lot. And that help(s)” ...and "..he’s done a good job of that. We’re going to continue to build that. But I’m pleased with where he’s at.” I take that to mean he isn't YET where they want him to be. Me either. How about you? And Kafka was quoted as saying "He’s managing the game, he’s playing within the system and I think those big plays that you’re seeing, those are going to happen."
What big plays? Jones has two passing plays of 20+ yards. Thirty-one quarterbacks have more. Oh yeah, he must mean the big plays that other QBs are making. Don't get me wrong.. DJ is not losing us these games but I do not want a 'game manager' as my franchise QB. And until we see more than that - and LOTS more - I'll hold off on calling him 'Our Guy'. You may not and that's your prerogative. |
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Post by Jomo on Sept 24, 2022 10:29:39 GMT -5
Glad to see poll that says 69 percent of Giants fans now have confidence in Jones. Yeah, the fans are simply geniuses when it comes to QB evaluations, lol. I find Daboll's remarked more nuanced than that, namely "... his decision-making process – where he’s gone with the football – he’s made the right decision, I’d say, a lot. And that help,” also " he’s done a good job of that. We’re going to continue to build that. But I’m pleased with where he’s at.” I take that to mean he isn't YET where they want him to be. Me either. How about you? And Kafka was quoted as saying "He’s managing the game, he’s playing within the system and I think those big plays that you’re seeing, those are going to happen."
What big plays? Jones has two passing plays of 20+ yards. Thirty-one quarterbacks have more. Oh yeah, he must mean the big plays that other QBs are making. Don't get me wrong.. DJ is not losing us these games but I do not want a 'game manager' as my franchise QB. And until we see more than that - and LOTS more - I'll hold off on calling him 'Our Guy'. You may not, and that's your prerogative. I basically agree with what you say here but I would add that we shouldn't expect to get anything useful from the coaches re Jones or any player for that matter. Look at what is being peddled to us on Golladay.... Much as I hate the lack of transparency from the team, It is not a good business practice to let the opponents know what you are really thinking. |
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 24, 2022 10:30:36 GMT -5
Glad to see poll that says 69 percent of Giants fans now have confidence in Jones. Thank God we are winning. according to Shepard the WRs are running the wrong routes - and there is turmoil in the locker room with Kenny Golladay. makes me wonder if this is due to coaching or Gettleman's low IQ players. I heard with Eli that if a receiver ran the route wrong he wouldn't throw them the ball even if they were open. |
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Post by krappdetector on Sept 24, 2022 10:34:10 GMT -5
Yeah, the fans are simply geniuses when it comes to QB evaluations, lol. I find Daboll's remarked more nuanced than that, namely "... his decision-making process – where he’s gone with the football – he’s made the right decision, I’d say, a lot. And that help,” also " he’s done a good job of that. We’re going to continue to build that. But I’m pleased with where he’s at.” I take that to mean he isn't YET where they want him to be. Me either. How about you? And Kafka was quoted as saying "He’s managing the game, he’s playing within the system and I think those big plays that you’re seeing, those are going to happen."
What big plays? Jones has two passing plays of 20+ yards. Thirty-one quarterbacks have more. Oh yeah, he must mean the big plays that other QBs are making. Don't get me wrong.. DJ is not losing us these games but I do not want a 'game manager' as my franchise QB. And until we see more than that - and LOTS more - I'll hold off on calling him 'Our Guy'. You may not, and that's your prerogative. I basically agree with what you say here but I would add that we shouldn't expect to get anything useful from the coaches re Jones or any player for that matter. Look at what is being peddled to us on Golladay.... Much as I hate the lack of transparency from the team, It is not a good business practice to let the opponents know what you are really thinking. I agree completely! We may be getting the sanitized or 'look-on-the-bright side' review. Who knows ? They don't seem to reveal their cards very much, I think we can agree on that. |
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Post by presumablygunner on Sept 24, 2022 10:42:32 GMT -5
Are advanced analytics accepted here now? Wow, how times have changed I woldn't call "time to throw" an advanced analytic and whatever we call it, after just 3 weeks we don't have any kind of credible sampling. There are just too many variables this early in the season starting with our opponent, then factoring injuries on both sides of the ball, not to mention specific game planning by both sides. this way of thinking should be applied to every player, all the time. things look different when you do this. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 26, 2022 9:47:06 GMT -5
Glad to see poll that says 69 percent of Giants fans now have confidence in Jones. Yeah, the fans are simply geniuses when it comes to QB evaluations, but I don't blame them for hoping. But I find Daboll's remarks more nuanced than that, namely "... (DJ's) decision-making process – where he’s gone with the football – he’s made the right decision, I’d say, a lot. And that help(s)” ...and "..he’s done a good job of that. We’re going to continue to build that. But I’m pleased with where he’s at.” I take that to mean he isn't YET where they want him to be. Me either. How about you? And Kafka was quoted as saying "He’s managing the game, he’s playing within the system and I think those big plays that you’re seeing, those are going to happen."
What big plays? Jones has two passing plays of 20+ yards. Thirty-one quarterbacks have more. Oh yeah, he must mean the big plays that other QBs are making. Don't get me wrong.. DJ is not losing us these games but I do not want a 'game manager' as my franchise QB. And until we see more than that - and LOTS more - I'll hold off on calling him 'Our Guy'. You may not and that's your prerogative. Do you really think Jones was going to answer the "franchise questions" after two games? If Jones had lit it up the last two game no decisions would still have been made about his franchise status with the NYGs. They dont want a game manager and of course they want more from him. The whole O is learning the offense. Kafka and Daboll are still learning how to use it the most effective way. Big plays dont always mean yardage. Big plays are key plays, key decisions etc. TBH I only give Jones a 25% chance of being able to be a franchise QB in the NFL. With that said I am not really sure what some of you expected the first two games with a new offense, HC, OC , questionable OL, limited WRs and a QB who needs to still develop. Don't read this as excuses why Jones cant do this or that. These are just basic facts of the NYGs offense at this point in time. Its a huge learning curve for the O right now. So far they are getting it done and hopefully continue to progress in the positive direction. |
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Post by presumablygunner on Sept 26, 2022 10:09:59 GMT -5
Glad to see poll that says 69 percent of Giants fans now have confidence in Jones. Thank God we are winning. according to Shepard the WRs are running the wrong routes - and there is turmoil in the locker room with Kenny Golladay. makes me wonder if this is due to coaching or Gettleman's low IQ players. I heard with Eli that if a receiver ran the route wrong he wouldn't throw them the ball even if they were open. Nope it’s because Jones can’t process the defense in time 😉 These boys out here running multiple plays at the same time |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 26, 2022 10:13:07 GMT -5
the entire offense is learning the new offense. Wrong routes, pre-snap reads, miss reads by Jones, etc.
this is not surprising at all.
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Post by giantsalmon on Sept 26, 2022 12:28:49 GMT -5
the entire offense is learning the new offense. Wrong routes, pre-snap reads, miss reads by Jones, etc. this is not surprising at all. It's lost on some that in addition to the above, the pre season hope was Galloday would prove his worth and the twitchy WRs Toney and WanDale would be running amok in opposing Ds secondaries. So far those 3 havent contributed(although Toney had a deep reception negated by a horrific call). To top it off off they lose camp stand out Johnson late in pre season. Daboll/Kafka are actually showing me how resourceful they are. I would expect a bigger role for Sills tonite, and Shepard needs to produce. I was hoping Toney would play to prove his big game VS Diggs last year was no fluke. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 26, 2022 14:06:59 GMT -5
the entire offense is learning the new offense. Wrong routes, pre-snap reads, miss reads by Jones, etc. this is not surprising at all. It's lost on some that in addition to the above, the pre season hope was Galloday would prove his worth and the twitchy WRs Toney and WanDale would be running amok in opposing Ds secondaries. So far those 3 havent contributed(although Toney had a deep reception negated by a horrific call). To top it off off they lose camp stand out Johnson late in pre season. Daboll/Kafka are actually showing me how resourceful they are. I would expect a bigger role for Sills tonite, and Shepard needs to produce. I was hoping Toney would play to prove his big game VS Diggs last year was no fluke. the WR group is an unexpected mess. Hope they straighten out what ever is up with Toney and KG. |
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Post by jaymas on Sept 26, 2022 14:31:28 GMT -5
the entire offense is learning the new offense. Wrong routes, pre-snap reads, miss reads by Jones, etc. this is not surprising at all. It's lost on some that in addition to the above, the pre season hope was Galloday would prove his worth and the twitchy WRs Toney and WanDale would be running amok in opposing Ds secondaries. So far those 3 havent contributed(although Toney had a deep reception negated by a horrific call). To top it off off they lose camp stand out Johnson late in pre season. Daboll/Kafka are actually showing me how resourceful they are. I would expect a bigger role for Sills tonite, and Shepard needs to produce. I was hoping Toney would play to prove his big game VS Diggs last year was no fluke. Colin Johnson really did look good, I was excited to see if he could bring it to the reg. season. But definitely clear it would have been him they sat Golladay for just based on how things were looking preseason. |
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