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Post by jmike on May 31, 2018 9:57:08 GMT -5
i doubt it happens as well, but i don't understand all the vitriol about the mere suggestion that it might or could. Can someone explain why if a player is willing to make a personal sacrifice for a cause you may not share, the majority reaction is to wish that he's unemployed forever as a result? I honestly don't get it. I think it is just that many are fatigued by the discussion that just seems to go around in circles and are ready to move on. The frustration then manifests itself as vitriol to those perceived as continuing it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 12:46:43 GMT -5
While I believe Kaepernick not playing is really a business issue, the message is always more important than the messenger. There are no perfect messengers. That line from Moneyball always comes to mind as well: "the first guy through the wall always gets bloody" That’s the whole con of Kaepernick though. He isn’t a messenger. He isn’t the first one through the wall. He is simply a malcontent benched QB who decided to hijack the cause of racial inequality in the USA for his own selfish reasons. That was his only role and contribution to the whole thing. There is a legitimate protest here but Kaepernick has nothing to do with it. He has pulled the wool over a lot of eyes |
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Post by cdngfan on Jun 1, 2018 20:51:15 GMT -5
That line from Moneyball always comes to mind as well: "the first guy through the wall always gets bloody" That’s the whole con of Kaepernick though. He isn’t a messenger. He isn’t the first one through the wall. He is simply a malcontent benched QB who decided to hijack the cause of racial inequality in the USA for his own selfish reasons. That was his only role and contribution to the whole thing. There is a legitimate protest here but Kaepernick has nothing to do with it. He has pulled the wool over a lot of eyes how do you differentiate malcontent hijacker from legitimate protester? I don't think he's some brilliant genius with deep roots in this cause, but i can't draw a line between some greater selfish self interest reward and when he started kneeling down. If you can help me out. In fact, the insults and hatred started pretty quick after he started kneeling, he certainly didn't get more snaps, his initial reputation took a beating, and the attention didn't provide him any financial benefit that wasn't offset by his lack of a job in his chosen profession. I don't think of him as some hero, i don't think he thought he was going to create this much attention (i don't give him that much credit), but i don't see him as a con man either. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 21:13:55 GMT -5
It's finally happened and I hope you are all proud of yourselves; There is NOW a subject I am more sick of than the Eli debate.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 1, 2018 21:21:47 GMT -5
Reid who? What have I missed, and why are he and Kap entitled to jobs? I hope those "star players" sit out until they get fired for breach of contract. The NFL ownership and players seem to be perversely determined to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. We are witnessing the transformation of a once-great sport into farcical Kabuki Theater. I'm almost (not quite) to the point of erasing the NFL from my life, and I suspect a fair portion of the fan population is starting to consider the same course of action. There sure seems to be a death wish in the NFL. Where's Pete Roselle when you need him. The NFL is run by idiots with lots of idiots on the field. The new rules only makes things worse. This could be the end of the NFL gravy train! Thank God for the Yankees and Knicks! THE KNICKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Zimonami on Jun 1, 2018 21:23:18 GMT -5
That’s the whole con of Kaepernick though. He isn’t a messenger. He isn’t the first one through the wall. He is simply a malcontent benched QB who decided to hijack the cause of racial inequality in the USA for his own selfish reasons. That was his only role and contribution to the whole thing. There is a legitimate protest here but Kaepernick has nothing to do with it. He has pulled the wool over a lot of eyes how do you differentiate malcontent hijacker from legitimate protester? I don't think he's some brilliant genius with deep roots in this cause, but i can't draw a line between some greater selfish self interest reward and when he started kneeling down. If you can help me out. In fact, the insults and hatred started pretty quick after he started kneeling, he certainly didn't get more snaps, his initial reputation took a beating, and the attention didn't provide him any financial benefit that wasn't offset by his lack of a job in his chosen profession. I don't think of him as some hero, i don't think he thought he was going to create this much attention (i don't give him that much credit), but i don't see him as a con man either. I agree with TE88, to a point. in 2016, just before the first preseason game, Kap was told he lost his starting job. At the first 3 games he sat during the anthem. He started kneeling in the 4th preseason, or the first regular season game. It started out of unhappiness for losing his job to Blaine Gabbert. Hardly anyone noticed until the regular season games started.> Then, when asked why he was kneeling, Kap said the inequality for blacks with cops. TE88.... Since all this grew out of proportion last year, Kap has actually gotten involved like many suggested... go to the police dept's and ask to speak about the issue> He has had some accept, and many refuse. He has also added a lump of his own money to the NFLPA funds for this issue. I wish we could just let this thing go away quietly. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 1, 2018 21:58:16 GMT -5
how do you differentiate malcontent hijacker from legitimate protester? I don't think he's some brilliant genius with deep roots in this cause, but i can't draw a line between some greater selfish self interest reward and when he started kneeling down. If you can help me out. In fact, the insults and hatred started pretty quick after he started kneeling, he certainly didn't get more snaps, his initial reputation took a beating, and the attention didn't provide him any financial benefit that wasn't offset by his lack of a job in his chosen profession. I don't think of him as some hero, i don't think he thought he was going to create this much attention (i don't give him that much credit), but i don't see him as a con man either. I agree with TE88, to a point. in 2016, just before the first preseason game, Kap was told he lost his starting job. At the first 3 games he sat during the anthem. He started kneeling in the 4th preseason, or the first regular season game. It started out of unhappiness for losing his job to Blaine Gabbert. Hardly anyone noticed until the regular season games started.> Then, when asked why he was kneeling, Kap said the inequality for blacks with cops. TE88.... Since all this grew out of proportion last year, Kap has actually gotten involved like many suggested... go to the police dept's and ask to speak about the issue> He has had some accept, and many refuse. He has also added a lump of his own money to the NFLPA funds for this issue. I wish we could just let this thing go away quietly. Here's an article that seems to corroborate what you've said.
Kaepernick sits during national anthem
Posted by Mike Florio on August 27, 2016, 2:46 AM EDT
On a night that was supposed to be significant for what 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick did on the field, what he didn’t do while off the field will create even bigger headlines.
During the playing of the national anthem, Kaepernick sat.
The 49ers have confirmed that Kaepernick did not stand for the anthem, and they have issued the following statement.
“The national anthem is and always will be a special part of the pre-game ceremony,” the team said in a statement issued to PFT. “It is an opportunity to honor our country and reflect on the great liberties we are afforded as its citizens. In respecting such American principles as freedom of religion and freedom of expression, we recognize the right of an individual to choose to participate, or not, in our celebration of the national anthem.”
It’s unclear why Kaepernick sat. However, Kaepernick retweeted the following message on Thursday, which accompanied images of the American and Confederate flags:
“The fact that you really believe that there is difference in these flags means that your [sic] ignoring history....”
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Post by jmike on Jun 1, 2018 22:20:34 GMT -5
I agree with TE88, to a point. in 2016, just before the first preseason game, Kap was told he lost his starting job. At the first 3 games he sat during the anthem. He started kneeling in the 4th preseason, or the first regular season game. It started out of unhappiness for losing his job to Blaine Gabbert. Hardly anyone noticed until the regular season games started.> Then, when asked why he was kneeling, Kap said the inequality for blacks with cops. TE88.... Since all this grew out of proportion last year, Kap has actually gotten involved like many suggested... go to the police dept's and ask to speak about the issue> He has had some accept, and many refuse. He has also added a lump of his own money to the NFLPA funds for this issue. I wish we could just let this thing go away quietly. Here's an article that seems to corroborate what you've said.
Kaepernick sits during national anthem
Posted by Mike Florio on August 27, 2016, 2:46 AM EDT
On a night that was supposed to be significant for what 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick did on the field, what he didn’t do while off the field will create even bigger headlines.
During the playing of the national anthem, Kaepernick sat.
The 49ers have confirmed that Kaepernick did not stand for the anthem, and they have issued the following statement.
“The national anthem is and always will be a special part of the pre-game ceremony,” the team said in a statement issued to PFT. “It is an opportunity to honor our country and reflect on the great liberties we are afforded as its citizens. In respecting such American principles as freedom of religion and freedom of expression, we recognize the right of an individual to choose to participate, or not, in our celebration of the national anthem.”
It’s unclear why Kaepernick sat. However, Kaepernick retweeted the following message on Thursday, which accompanied images of the American and Confederate flags:
“The fact that you really believe that there is difference in these flags means that your [sic] ignoring history....”
Wait, he said that about the American and Confederate flags and he is accusing others of ignoring history......LOL. |
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Post by Zimonami on Jun 1, 2018 22:46:04 GMT -5
I agree with TE88, to a point. in 2016, just before the first preseason game, Kap was told he lost his starting job. At the first 3 games he sat during the anthem. He started kneeling in the 4th preseason, or the first regular season game. It started out of unhappiness for losing his job to Blaine Gabbert. Hardly anyone noticed until the regular season games started.> Then, when asked why he was kneeling, Kap said the inequality for blacks with cops. TE88.... Since all this grew out of proportion last year, Kap has actually gotten involved like many suggested... go to the police dept's and ask to speak about the issue> He has had some accept, and many refuse. He has also added a lump of his own money to the NFLPA funds for this issue. I wish we could just let this thing go away quietly. Here's an article that seems to corroborate what you've said.
Kaepernick sits during national anthem
Posted by Mike Florio on August 27, 2016, 2:46 AM EDT
On a night that was supposed to be significant for what 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick did on the field, what he didn’t do while off the field will create even bigger headlines.
During the playing of the national anthem, Kaepernick sat.
The 49ers have confirmed that Kaepernick did not stand for the anthem, and they have issued the following statement.
“The national anthem is and always will be a special part of the pre-game ceremony,” the team said in a statement issued to PFT. “It is an opportunity to honor our country and reflect on the great liberties we are afforded as its citizens. In respecting such American principles as freedom of religion and freedom of expression, we recognize the right of an individual to choose to participate, or not, in our celebration of the national anthem.”
It’s unclear why Kaepernick sat. However, Kaepernick retweeted the following message on Thursday, which accompanied images of the American and Confederate flags:
“The fact that you really believe that there is difference in these flags means that your [sic] ignoring history....”
This was after their 3rd preseason game... and he was still sitting... and people were just noticing.... AND, no statement about inequality of blacks with police... just his first answer to the question of Why? ... a statement about the significance of the Confederate flag. Hmmmm |
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 2, 2018 6:41:24 GMT -5
That line from Moneyball always comes to mind as well: "the first guy through the wall always gets bloody" That’s the whole con of Kaepernick though. He isn’t a messenger. He isn’t the first one through the wall. He is simply a malcontent benched QB who decided to hijack the cause of racial inequality in the USA for his own selfish reasons. That was his only role and contribution to the whole thing. There is a legitimate protest here but Kaepernick has nothing to do with it. He has pulled the wool over a lot of eyes I don't think that this is fair at all. www.si.com/sportsperson/2017/12/06/colin-kaepernick-charity-giving-donations |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 2, 2018 10:05:16 GMT -5
Well if that's the way they feel. They will be replaced and the brotherhood will move on. In a few weeks there will be new star players. Those pay checks stop coming in it will be a test of their feelings toward their fellow players.
Once your out of the spotlight you don't have the same voice. Don't think it would accomplish anything but a loss of paychecks and probably fines for breaking contracts for the players that choose to do this.
Remember the players strike at the end guys were crossing the picket lines, and the league moved on with replacements and the games counted.
Honestly don't know how many it would take to make a difference ? And how long do they sit out losing their money ?
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Post by Waybackfan on Jun 6, 2018 15:15:31 GMT -5
Employers call the shots.
Try telling your boss you want to work 4 hours but get paid for 8.
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Post by jmike on Jun 6, 2018 15:28:47 GMT -5
Employers call the shots. Try telling your boss you want to work 4 hours but get paid for 8. I did. She said get 8 hours of work done in 4 and I will double your wage and find you 4 more hours of work. |
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 7, 2018 15:32:58 GMT -5
This is going to far these guys need to be reminded it's a game,and they can be replaced just like Kap and reid nothing is forever or guaranteed,theres a million kids who would love the opportunity good luck sit out I would rather watch guys who understand the gift it is to be blessed to have this chance,and make that kind of money playing a game. you just said what I feel about all of this crap... |
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 7, 2018 15:36:20 GMT -5
it looks to me that Kaepernick is just trying to force his way back into the NFL...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 15:44:56 GMT -5
They’ll sit out until their paychecks start taking a hit. Then they’ll report. Like they always do. |
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 7, 2018 16:27:21 GMT -5
$$ talks. There is not a single NFL player that will sit out the season w/o pay until Craperneck is signed by a team.
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