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Post by vbgiantsfan on Dec 11, 2022 16:03:56 GMT -5
Anyone that says Jones had a good game in his performance thread should be doing stand-up comedy. He didn't, but who on offense or defense did? I'll say this, Jones was less the issue vs the O-line. The Offense was less of an issue than the listless defense.
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 11, 2022 16:05:15 GMT -5
Anyone that says Jones had a good game in his performance thread should be doing stand-up comedy. I agree with Moose Johnson...Jones didn't have a bad one either. Converted a few 3rd and 4th downs..plays with his arm and leg while avoiding pressure.
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Post by ocgiant on Dec 11, 2022 16:05:38 GMT -5
This kind of loss in play-off race to a division rival can change a lot of things especially with the team quitting like they do I didn't see quitting. I saw a on overmatch and untalented team capitulating to a team on its way to the superbowl. It sucks to see the Giants lose like this to that team and that head coach, but until we overhaul this mess, this is what the Giants really are. We've regressed to the mean of this team, and this team is not a winning team. Iggles had intensity, the whole game, the Giants were surely out played but tackling and blocking had no intensity nothing looked good out there today just horrible. Toughest loss for Dabol with a team that was not prepared today.
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Post by yoho on Dec 11, 2022 16:06:21 GMT -5
Crap James who already had a concussion this season just got his bell rung on that TD. I think launching your body as an attempt at a tackle should be made illegal.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 11, 2022 16:06:27 GMT -5
it really doesn't matter how well or poorly I think DJ played, the team sucked horribly today, did everything they could to lose. That is all that matters.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 11, 2022 16:06:33 GMT -5
Lol, everyone ignoring Peart is our LT against Sweat for some reason and blaming Tyrod. Boy Everyone? Or one guy? Being the Giants QB means you are gonna face a ton of pressure when you face a top 5 front Daniel Tyrod or Davis should be prepared to be hit and harassed all game until the end or when the game is out of hand and the opposing DC calls off the dogs.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 11, 2022 16:06:38 GMT -5
Anyone that says Jones had a good game in his performance thread should be doing stand-up comedy. I agree with Moose Johnson...Jones didn't have a bad one either. Converted a few 3rd and 4th downs..plays with his arm and leg while avoiding pressure. Lol. I would love to know what the board Standards of QB play are. I need to see them defined somewhere. Jones has never had a bad game yet his terrible production, game in, game out. Something doesn't add up
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 16:06:59 GMT -5
Well, that was fun.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 11, 2022 16:07:33 GMT -5
Being the Giants QB means you are gonna face a ton of pressure when you face a top 5 front Daniel Tyrod or Davis should be prepared to be hit and harassed all game until the end or when the game is out of hand and the opposing DC calls off the dogs. Tyrods got legs as well, also looks more laterally athletic so if thats the game we're playing... What DJ got on Tyrod other than a bigger new deal next year? I believe Tyrod is on a 2 year $11MM deal that could become $18MM with incentives. So, between $5.5-$9MM/year. Jones is worth 3+times this? i'd have to see how.. production wise they're very similar using careers as a sample. How could Shoen justify that? perhaps its why he declined Jones $22MM option?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 11, 2022 16:10:49 GMT -5
so Taylor slides at the end of a long run, and the Eagles D fall on top of him. We get called for roughing every time we;er in that situation. Why not them? Last year DJ was sliding and he got hit in the head and had his neck injury no call even if he was late it was still a head shot..
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 11, 2022 16:12:34 GMT -5
so Taylor slides at the end of a long run, and the Eagles D fall on top of him. We get called for roughing every time we;er in that situation. Why not them? Last year DJ was sliding and he got hit in the head and had his neck injury no call even if he was late it was still a head shot.. exactly my point.
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Post by mj312 on Dec 11, 2022 16:13:45 GMT -5
The giants are a joke ..weekly big plays by the backs and receivers are normal for most NFL teams .. we haven’t had it since Bradshaw and Cruz were Giants .. we are so far from this .. we are delusional to think we are heading in the right direction.. Umm you seem to have forgotten about when OBJ was on our team Uhmm no I didn’t .. obj made some great plays, they just very rarely altered the games outcome .. even including him are you defending the Giants for not having a playmaker since 2016-17? These teams have multiple guys yearly and our last guy was Odell..
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Dec 11, 2022 16:14:46 GMT -5
I didn't see quitting. I saw a on overmatch and untalented team capitulating to a team on its way to the superbowl. It sucks to see the Giants lose like this to that team and that head coach, but until we overhaul this mess, this is what the Giants really are. We've regressed to the mean of this team, and this team is not a winning team. Iggles had intensity, the whole game, the Giants were surely out played but tackling and blocking had no intensity nothing looked good out there today just horrible. Toughest loss for Dabol with a team that was not prepared today. Just replace "intensity" with "talent" and we 100% agree. The the most talented players play with more intensity, hit holes harder, run faster, break tackles, fall forward. We don't have talent.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 11, 2022 16:14:53 GMT -5
I think OBJ is still a #1, he looked that way with Cooper Kupp on the same field during his last game.
We wont find someone else better over the next 1-3 years, at least, without significant investment. By next September it will be a 1.5 years since his surgery
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 11, 2022 16:15:55 GMT -5
I’m not saying some team won’t pay him, I’m saying the Giants shouldn’t. He needs a situation like he had in LA, he isn’t a 1 and has not been one for many years. fair enough, I suspect they will go after him but I get your prespective personally, I dont see a massive need. I like Wan Dale, i'd resign Slayton and draft a WR in the 2-3 round range. but, I do think that finding someone as good as Beckham is very unlikely, and we have a host of other needs As good as Beckham is or as good as Beckham was? There ain’t a lot of evidence on the is side of the ledger. I’d do as you say above. Draft in the 2/3 range, look for a solid preseason pickup and roll. I’d never waste that money on Beckham when it is critically needed elsewhere.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 11, 2022 16:16:05 GMT -5
it really doesn't matter how well or poorly I think DJ played, the team sucked horribly today, did everything they could to lose. That is all that matters. The Giants defense has been a problem also all year just when they face teams like the Eagles it's not field goals anymore giving several big plays in the run and pass is also a huge issue.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 11, 2022 16:17:39 GMT -5
fair enough, I suspect they will go after him but I get your prespective personally, I dont see a massive need. I like Wan Dale, i'd resign Slayton and draft a WR in the 2-3 round range. but, I do think that finding someone as good as Beckham is very unlikely, and we have a host of other needs As good as Beckham is or as good as Beckham was? There ain’t a lot of evidence on the is side of the ledger. I’d do as you say above. Draft in the 2/3 range, look for a solid preseason pickup and roll. I’d never waste that money on Beckham when it is critically needed elsewhere. Honestly, being objective as I can. His tape on the Browns was excellent. They had truly bad QB play. With the Rams he produced much more and was great, until he got hurt. Would have been MVP in the SB I have faith in his WR#1 ability on tape, what I cant say is how he is recovering. By September 2023 he will be 1.5 years post op and 100%. I would sign him and draft interior OL, CB, and LB early, draft a midrounder at WR. If we're not drafting Anthony Richardson, that is
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 11, 2022 16:17:42 GMT -5
Last year DJ was sliding and he got hit in the head and had his neck injury no call even if he was late it was still a head shot.. exactly my point. He took alate shot when he scored today. This team doesn't get calls I don't know why there are several instances of teams blocking before the pass or OLs being down field and no call.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 11, 2022 16:23:05 GMT -5
As good as Beckham is or as good as Beckham was? There ain’t a lot of evidence on the is side of the ledger. I’d do as you say above. Draft in the 2/3 range, look for a solid preseason pickup and roll. I’d never waste that money on Beckham when it is critically needed elsewhere. Honestly, being objective as I can. His tape on the Browns was excellent. They had truly bad QB play. With the Rams he produced much more and was great, until he got hurt. Would have been MVP in the SB I have faith in his WR#1 ability on tape, what I cant say is how he is recovering. By September 2023 he will be 1.5 years post op and 100% He has been healthy all of 2 years He has not been OBJ that played here since he left here just don't think paying a 30 year old 2 ACLs and 1 nasty ankle injury going into year 10 is wise spending. Giants are a long ways away the defense is swill cheese and the interior OL maybe QB and RB might need revamping. OBJ is a luxury at this point of his career hopefully the Eagles thrashing of us makes JJ pay him for 3 years .
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 11, 2022 16:25:44 GMT -5
I think OBJ is still a #1, he looked that way with Cooper Kupp on the same field during his last game. We wont find someone else better over the next 1-3 years, at least, without significant investment. By next September it will be a 1.5 years since his surgery Exactly, he looks fine with better WRs on the team. That team had Krupp, Woods, Jefferson and Beckham layered in later. That's his highest and best use. That's not a 1 to me, that's a complimentary piece. I'd be fine getting him on an incentive laden deal under $10M with incentives to $15M. I certainly wouldn't pay him based on what he used to be, that never works out for the team.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 11, 2022 16:31:26 GMT -5
As good as Beckham is or as good as Beckham was? There ain’t a lot of evidence on the is side of the ledger. I’d do as you say above. Draft in the 2/3 range, look for a solid preseason pickup and roll. I’d never waste that money on Beckham when it is critically needed elsewhere. Honestly, being objective as I can. His tape on the Browns was excellent. They had truly bad QB play. With the Rams he produced much more and was great, until he got hurt. Would have been MVP in the SB I have faith in his WR#1 ability on tape, what I cant say is how he is recovering. By September 2023 he will be 1.5 years post op and 100%. I would sign him and draft interior OL, CB, and LB early, draft a midrounder at WR. If we're not drafting Anthony Richardson, that is He would have been the MVP of the SB? C'mon, man; you've gotta be kidding. Comedy aside, I agree his Browns tape was very good, so what? He's years and major injuries removed from that. And as you say, he had bad QB play there. Do you expect he's going to get good QB play here in the next two years? He's getting Jones, Taylor or some other stop gap. So why would they pay him $15M a year for potentially low end #1 WR numbers? That seems like a bad investment to me.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 11, 2022 16:36:37 GMT -5
Honestly, being objective as I can. His tape on the Browns was excellent. They had truly bad QB play. With the Rams he produced much more and was great, until he got hurt. Would have been MVP in the SB I have faith in his WR#1 ability on tape, what I cant say is how he is recovering. By September 2023 he will be 1.5 years post op and 100%. I would sign him and draft interior OL, CB, and LB early, draft a midrounder at WR. If we're not drafting Anthony Richardson, that is He would have been the MVP of the SB? C'mon, man; you've gotta be kidding. Comedy aside, I agree his Browns tape was very good, so what? He's years and major injuries removed from that. And as you say, he had bad QB play there. Do you expect he's going to get good QB play here in the next two years? He's getting Jones, Taylor or some other stop gap. So why would they pay him $15M a year for potentially low end #1 WR numbers? That seems like a bad investment to me. He had 2 catches 52 yards and a TD before he got hurt in the second Quarter, after he went down they couldn't move the ball until the 4th. He would have had 100 yards and likely multiple TDs so yeah. I do believe that. OK, I just hope your plan at WR makes more sense than mine. Especially if Jones is the guy going forward
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Post by Bigjeep on Dec 11, 2022 16:37:12 GMT -5
If this game showed us anything, it showed we are really a bad team, Jones is not the answer and we need to get some value for Barkley! The draft is our goal, not the playoffs!
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 11, 2022 16:41:13 GMT -5
it really doesn't matter how well or poorly I think DJ played, the team sucked horribly today, did everything they could to lose. That is all that matters. The Giants defense has been a problem also all year just when they face teams like the Eagles it's not field goals anymore giving several big plays in the run and pass is also a huge issue. lately when we need to make a big stop on 3rd down, we fail, regardless of the yardage, make penalties at crucial times (some legit, some not, but whose counting), and I won't even rant on the offense, too easy!!
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 11, 2022 16:52:38 GMT -5
Iggles had intensity, the whole game, the Giants were surely out played but tackling and blocking had no intensity nothing looked good out there today just horrible. Toughest loss for Dabol with a team that was not prepared today. Just replace "intensity" with "talent" and we 100% agree. The the most talented players play with more intensity, hit holes harder, run faster, break tackles, fall forward. We don't have talent. Half our team is practice squad players. Totally expected this result.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 11, 2022 16:54:29 GMT -5
I look forward to the Lions upsetting the Eagles in the playoff
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 11, 2022 16:58:31 GMT -5
Jeep! Correct me if I'm wrong but you are old enough to remember a splendid Giants/Eagles game in the 70s. G men won 62-10. It was an absolute outlier but fabulous just the same. I was a young boy but I cut the article/headline out of the paper and taped it to my bedroom wall! Sadly I still get upset over the 1958 Championship sudden death loss to, at that time, the hated Unitas led Colts! Than we lost to Green bay twice and once to Chicago when Tittle got hurt, all Championship games! Don't remember that one! The 70's are a blurr. Late 60's in the Army! I remember all those games I was a teenager during those years. It was the greatest era of Giant football. From 1956 thru 1963 the Giants went to 6 Championship games in 8 years. Sadley we only won 1 Championship in 1956 beating the Chicago Bears. Yankee Stadium had 2 Championship Flags flying on top of the stadium that year. The Yanks and the Giants. We must have had close to 10 HOF players on those teams.
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Post by babybulls on Dec 11, 2022 17:04:16 GMT -5
The Giants offered next to no resistance and there are a TON of Eagles fans at the stadium. 😡 Our fan base is starting to suck us old school dudes that went to every game no matter weather or record are dwinding the youngsters don't wanna get their hair wet. This old guy was there, but you’re right, the passion of the old time fans is sorely lacking and yes, there were a ton of obnoxious Eagle fans there
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Dec 11, 2022 17:09:12 GMT -5
I look forward to the Lions upsetting the Eagles in the playoff Eagles can definitely be scored on. Hurts needs some pressure in his face to rattle him. He sits behind one of the best lines in decades and has great WRs to throw to. Commanders were able to put pressure on him.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 11, 2022 17:18:55 GMT -5
Our fan base is starting to suck us old school dudes that went to every game no matter weather or record are dwinding the youngsters don't wanna get their hair wet. This old guy was there, but you’re right, the passion of the old time fans is sorely lacking and yes, there were a ton of obnoxious Eagle fans there I went to every game from 1991 when I got a shot at season tickets all the way through the first game of the 2017 season. Then I moved out of state been to hand full of games since, one of the few things a miss. I loved being a diehard Giants fan rain sleet snow or wind sometimes all of them at once, winning record losing record every game no matter what. I hate how passive the new generation of fans are and how they are no shows when the weather turns that was my time as a fan sure your the same enjoy we will be back.
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