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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 19, 2023 21:23:42 GMT -5
OK we all know the Bears have a monumental decision to make at QB with the 1st pick in the draft. Now of course they can keep Fields and get a bonanza of high draft picks for that 1st pick.
But Fields is in his 3rd year of his rookie contract, say the Bears go rookie QB so they have a 5 year rookie contract on their QB. Fields is then going in a trade.
Would he still cost a 1st rd pick ? Maybe not his won-lost numbers are 7-23 in games he's started. He's been hurt every year, 2 years left on the rookie contract maybe he goes for a 2nd rd pick add a lower pick with it if you wish.
We can still afford him even with DJ's contract is he worth it ? Do we like this option especially if it doesn't cost us a 1st rd pick and we still pick 4th or 5th. Some talking heads don't think the Bears will get a 1st rd pick for him. Others love him.
Any opinions ?
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Post by Modog on Dec 19, 2023 21:33:42 GMT -5
He's better than the QBs on our roster next year, Daniel Jones and Tommy Devito. The problem with him is, I think he only has 1 year left on his rookie contract? If bears will give him up for a 4th rounder and maybe another late rd pick I would do it
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 19, 2023 21:38:25 GMT -5
Like you said he has a career record of 8-27.
I get it, he's on a bad team but he was drafted to turn the franchise around and it never happened.
He may go to another team and be a lot better but has a low completion % in the pros, hasn't really impressive as a passer.
The media loves to hype him but I just don't see it. The MVP talk about him in the media before the season was borderline absurd.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 19, 2023 21:44:23 GMT -5
Bears have been a wreck or so/so besides 85. Huge decision they can’t screw up. A possible franchise QB, the #1 pick and approx the 6th overall..
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 19, 2023 21:46:37 GMT -5
He's better than the QBs on our roster next year, Daniel Jones and Tommy Devito. The problem with him is, I think he only has 1 year left on his rookie contract? If bears will give him up for a 4th rounder and maybe another late rd pick I would do it I don't think he goes for as low as a 4th rd pick. There would be teams in playoff contention or near it that might make a try for him. My first guess would be Pittsburgh, possibly Seattle, Atlanta, Minny (doubt if Chi trades QB to Vikes), Tenn., Wash. A lot of possible trade partners. But not many willing to give up a 1st rd pick imo. Possibly Pitt. I think a 2nd rd pick maybe even two 2nd rd picks 1 in each draft 24 and 25 drafts. Wouldn't give up both our 2nd rd picks this year unless we trade back and get another 2nd rd pick in the mix of picks we acquire. |
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Post by Modog on Dec 19, 2023 21:47:20 GMT -5
Like you said he has a career record of 8-27. I get it, he's on a bad team but he was drafted to turn the franchise around and it never happened. He may go to another team and be a lot better but has a low completion % in the pros, hasn't really impressive as a passer. The media loves to hype him but I just don't see it. The MVP talk about him in the media before the season was borderline absurd. Your right, he doesn't have a lot of wins. but give Justin Fields two more seasons to match DJ career games, and he should have the same number of wins as Daniel Jones. One thing for certain is he absolutely will have more TDs, passing Yards and rushing yards then your favorite QB. Probably less neck injuries too |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 19, 2023 21:59:13 GMT -5
Bears have been a wreck or so/so besides 85. Huge decision they can’t screw up. A possible franchise QB, the #1 pick and approx the 6th overall.. I've been watching the NFL for over 60 years and in my lifetime the Bears have never had a great QB. Jim McMahan had to be their best since I've been alive. The Bears have never had a QB throw for 4,000 yds in their history. Every QB fails in Chicago. Your so right this is the biggest decision they have to make for the next 5-10 years. If one of these college QB's are going to be great they can't miss on him or they're GM's name becomes a curse word for decades. Like that poor kid who caught the foul ball at the Cub game. Remember all the crap over that ? |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 19, 2023 22:00:37 GMT -5
Like you said he has a career record of 8-27. I get it, he's on a bad team but he was drafted to turn the franchise around and it never happened. He may go to another team and be a lot better but has a low completion % in the pros, hasn't really impressive as a passer. The media loves to hype him but I just don't see it. The MVP talk about him in the media before the season was borderline absurd. Your right, he doesn't have a lot of wins. but give Justin Fields two more seasons to match DJ career games, and he should have the same number of wins as Daniel Jones. One thing for certain is he absolutely will have more TDs, passing Yards and rushing yards then your favorite QB. Probably less neck injuries too Not sure about those less injuries Mo.  |
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Post by SG88 on Dec 19, 2023 22:09:44 GMT -5
I feel like he is heading to Atlanta for a 2nd rounder. Maybe a first if the Falcons somehow make the playoffs.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 19, 2023 22:14:50 GMT -5
I feel like he is heading to Atlanta for a 2nd rounder. Maybe a first if the Falcons somehow make the playoffs. I think the Bears will get a 2nd more than likely teams can wait them out i think he still has a chance to be a good QB what worries me when I watch him he seems to have all the tools but their are some processing issues. |
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Post by Modog on Dec 19, 2023 22:24:51 GMT -5
I feel like he is heading to Atlanta for a 2nd rounder. Maybe a first if the Falcons somehow make the playoffs. I think the Bears will get a 2nd more than likely teams can wait them out i think he still has a chance to be a good QB what worries me when I watch him he seems to have all the tools but their are some processing issues. I can definitely see him going to the falcons... Imagine what he could do with the right coaching. Daboll would do wonders with him imo |
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Post by GameTime on Dec 19, 2023 22:31:07 GMT -5
nah
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Post by Nite on Dec 19, 2023 22:32:04 GMT -5
Well it depends on what food group he can be associated with. We have our cutlets, Jetz have zero sauce...Bears? Hmmm field greens? fields of green? Grains? Bread?.. we gotta figure this out...
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Post by Nite on Dec 19, 2023 22:33:07 GMT -5
In other words home grown is always better than the cold leftovers from someone else's takeout
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Post by jay051 on Dec 19, 2023 22:55:09 GMT -5
I feel like he is heading to Atlanta for a 2nd rounder. Maybe a first if the Falcons somehow make the playoffs. I think the Bears will get a 2nd more than likely teams can wait them out i think he still has a chance to be a good QB what worries me when I watch him he seems to have all the tools but their are some processing issues. His awareness in the pocket is atrocious. He has to improve on that big time. Fields definitely has the tools though. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 20, 2023 7:37:44 GMT -5
Bears have been a wreck or so/so besides 85. Huge decision they can’t screw up. A possible franchise QB, the #1 pick and approx the 6th overall.. I've been watching the NFL for over 60 years and in my lifetime the Bears have never had a great QB. Jim McMahan had to be their best since I've been alive. The Bears have never had a QB throw for 4,000 yds in their history. Every QB fails in Chicago. Your so right this is the biggest decision they have to make for the next 5-10 years. If one of these college QB's are going to be great they can't miss on him or they're GM's name becomes a curse word for decades. Like that poor kid who caught the foul ball at the Cub game. Remember all the crap over that ? no joke, Sid Luckman still holds most of their QB records... |
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Post by bavarobeast on Dec 20, 2023 8:33:09 GMT -5
“Hell no “ on Fields!
Geez 🙄
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Post by mendy on Dec 20, 2023 8:51:20 GMT -5
Like you said he has a career record of 8-27. I get it, he's on a bad team but he was drafted to turn the franchise around and it never happened. He may go to another team and be a lot better but has a low completion % in the pros, hasn't really impressive as a passer. The media loves to hype him but I just don't see it. The MVP talk about him in the media before the season was borderline absurd. Your right, he doesn't have a lot of wins. but give Justin Fields two more seasons to match DJ career games, and he should have the same number of wins as Daniel Jones. One thing for certain is he absolutely will have more TDs, passing Yards and rushing yards then your favorite QB. Probably less neck injuries too I don't know so I will ask, does he have the same rushing numbers? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2023 9:29:48 GMT -5
I think the Bears will get a 2nd more than likely teams can wait them out i think he still has a chance to be a good QB what worries me when I watch him he seems to have all the tools but their are some processing issues. I can definitely see him going to the falcons... Imagine what he could do with the right coaching. Daboll would do wonders with him imo I agree he has an elite arm as far as strength goes haven't seen enough as far talent with placement. Josh Allen wasn't even an NFL QB coming in he had to be built from the ground up Daboll was a part of that also Allen had it in him to work hard year around to fix his flaws and make them strengths. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2023 9:43:06 GMT -5
Like you said he has a career record of 8-27. I get it, he's on a bad team but he was drafted to turn the franchise around and it never happened. He may go to another team and be a lot better but has a low completion % in the pros, hasn't really impressive as a passer. The media loves to hype him but I just don't see it. The MVP talk about him in the media before the season was borderline absurd. Your right, he doesn't have a lot of wins. but give Justin Fields two more seasons to match DJ career games, and he should have the same number of wins as Daniel Jones. One thing for certain is he absolutely will have more TDs, passing Yards and rushing yards then your favorite QB. Probably less neck injuries too John Fennely had a comparison DJ to the great Trevor Lawrence first 3 years first 48 starts made a mistake the numbers are pretty much Identical I mean to the T. Giants need to move on yes. That is more about what the Giants didn't do then what Jones can't do he is damaged and was when Daboll arrived. It is a sad story hopefully Schoen does a better job of growing our next QB, and that starts with protection and a legit run game spearheaded by a solid OL and a true #1 WR. Something we haven't had here in years and will never win till we do. Those things are the top 2 failures of Dave Gettlemen |
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Post by McCherry on Dec 20, 2023 9:48:52 GMT -5
The Bears aren't getting a first-round pick for Fields. You also have his 5th-year option looming after next year worth over $20M.
He's also not good.
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Post by jmike on Dec 20, 2023 10:22:32 GMT -5
Bears have been a wreck or so/so besides 85. Huge decision they can’t screw up. A possible franchise QB, the #1 pick and approx the 6th overall.. I've been watching the NFL for over 60 years and in my lifetime the Bears have never had a great QB. Jim McMahan had to be their best since I've been alive. The Bears have never had a QB throw for 4,000 yds in their history. Every QB fails in Chicago. Your so right this is the biggest decision they have to make for the next 5-10 years. If one of these college QB's are going to be great they can't miss on him or they're GM's name becomes a curse word for decades. Like that poor kid who caught the foul ball at the Cub game. Remember all the crap over that ? 2021-2023-Justin Fields 2018-2020-Mitch Trubisky 2016-Matt Barkley 2009-2015-Jay Cutler 2008-Kyle Orton 2007-Brian Griese 2006-Rex Grossman 2005-Kyle Orton 2004-Chad Hutchinson 2003-Kordell Stewart 2001-2002-Jim Miller 2000-Cade McNown 1999-Shane Matthews 1997-1998-Erik Kramer 1996-Dave Krieg 1995-Erik Kramer 1994-Steve Walsh 1990-1993-Jim Harbaugh 1989-Mike Tomczak 1987-1988-Jim McMahon 1986-Mike Tomczak 1982-1985-Jim McMahon 1980-1981-Vince Evans 1979-Mike Phipps 1976-1978-Bob Avellini 1974-1975-Gary Huff 1971-1973-Bobby Douglass 1969-1970-Jack Concannon 1968-Virgil Carter 1967-Jack Concannon 1965-1966-Rudy Bukich 1961-1964-Billy Wade 1955-1960-Ed Brown 1953-1954-George Blanda 1952-Steve Romanik 1949-1951-Johnny Lujack 1940-1948-Sid Luckman 1935-1939-Bernie Masterson 1932-1934-Keith Molesworth |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 20, 2023 11:22:50 GMT -5
I've been watching the NFL for over 60 years and in my lifetime the Bears have never had a great QB. Jim McMahan had to be their best since I've been alive. The Bears have never had a QB throw for 4,000 yds in their history. Every QB fails in Chicago. Your so right this is the biggest decision they have to make for the next 5-10 years. If one of these college QB's are going to be great they can't miss on him or they're GM's name becomes a curse word for decades. Like that poor kid who caught the foul ball at the Cub game. Remember all the crap over that ? 2021-2023-Justin Fields 2018-2020-Mitch Trubisky 2016-Matt Barkley 2009-2015-Jay Cutler 2008-Kyle Orton 2007-Brian Griese 2006-Rex Grossman 2005-Kyle Orton 2004-Chad Hutchinson 2003-Kordell Stewart 2001-2002-Jim Miller 2000-Cade McNown 1999-Shane Matthews 1997-1998-Erik Kramer 1996-Dave Krieg 1995-Erik Kramer 1994-Steve Walsh 1990-1993-Jim Harbaugh 1989-Mike Tomczak 1987-1988-Jim McMahon 1986-Mike Tomczak 1982-1985-Jim McMahon 1980-1981-Vince Evans 1979-Mike Phipps 1976-1978-Bob Avellini 1974-1975-Gary Huff 1971-1973-Bobby Douglass 1969-1970-Jack Concannon 1968-Virgil Carter 1967-Jack Concannon 1965-1966-Rudy Bukich 1961-1964-Billy Wade 1955-1960-Ed Brown 1953-1954-George Blanda 1952-Steve Romanik 1949-1951-Johnny Lujack 1940-1948-Sid Luckman 1935-1939-Bernie Masterson 1932-1934-Keith Molesworth Mike I started following the Giants hard in 1958 I was 10 years old. I could still probably name the starters on offense and defense, can't tell you what I had for dinner. Billy Wade was their QB that beat us in the Championship game in 1963. And he was mediocre the Bears of course had one tough defense. So from 1940-1952 the Bears had real good QBing. Sid Luckman and Johnny Lujack. So for over 70 years their QB's sucked Great post Mike what a bunch of hot garbage the Bears have had at QB. Jim McMahan was at least decent. |
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Post by jmike on Dec 20, 2023 11:24:26 GMT -5
2021-2023-Justin Fields 2018-2020-Mitch Trubisky 2016-Matt Barkley 2009-2015-Jay Cutler 2008-Kyle Orton 2007-Brian Griese 2006-Rex Grossman 2005-Kyle Orton 2004-Chad Hutchinson 2003-Kordell Stewart 2001-2002-Jim Miller 2000-Cade McNown 1999-Shane Matthews 1997-1998-Erik Kramer 1996-Dave Krieg 1995-Erik Kramer 1994-Steve Walsh 1990-1993-Jim Harbaugh 1989-Mike Tomczak 1987-1988-Jim McMahon 1986-Mike Tomczak 1982-1985-Jim McMahon 1980-1981-Vince Evans 1979-Mike Phipps 1976-1978-Bob Avellini 1974-1975-Gary Huff 1971-1973-Bobby Douglass 1969-1970-Jack Concannon 1968-Virgil Carter 1967-Jack Concannon 1965-1966-Rudy Bukich 1961-1964-Billy Wade 1955-1960-Ed Brown 1953-1954-George Blanda 1952-Steve Romanik 1949-1951-Johnny Lujack 1940-1948-Sid Luckman 1935-1939-Bernie Masterson 1932-1934-Keith Molesworth Mike I started following the Giants hard in 1958 I was 10 years old. I could still probably name the starters on offense and defense, can't tell you what I had for dinner. Billy Wade was their QB that beat us in the Championship game in 1963. And he was mediocre the Bears of course had one tough defense. So from 1940-1952 the Bears had real good QBing. Sid Luckman and Johnny Lujack. So for over 70 years their QB's sucked Great post Mike what a bunch of hot garbage the Bears have had at QB. Jim McMahan was at least decent. The stretch from 1994-2008 is brutal for QB consistency. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 20, 2023 12:22:47 GMT -5
OK we all know the Bears have a monumental decision to make at QB with the 1st pick in the draft. Now of course they can keep Fields and get a bonanza of high draft picks for that 1st pick. But Fields is in his 3rd year of his rookie contract, say the Bears go rookie QB so they have a 5 year rookie contract on their QB. Fields is then going in a trade. Would he still cost a 1st rd pick ? Maybe not his won-lost numbers are 7-23 in games he's started. He's been hurt every year, 2 years left on the rookie contract maybe he goes for a 2nd rd pick add a lower pick with it if you wish. We can still afford him even with DJ's contract is he worth it ? Do we like this option especially if it doesn't cost us a 1st rd pick and we still pick 4th or 5th. Some talking heads don't think the Bears will get a 1st rd pick for him. Others love him. Any opinions ? If we're looking for a bridge QB and I do not see Fields being any more than that, I'd accomplish that with the guys we have. No need to give up draft capital no matter how cheap for something the isn't going to advance the team, that just exacerbates things. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 20, 2023 12:36:53 GMT -5
OK we all know the Bears have a monumental decision to make at QB with the 1st pick in the draft. Now of course they can keep Fields and get a bonanza of high draft picks for that 1st pick. But Fields is in his 3rd year of his rookie contract, say the Bears go rookie QB so they have a 5 year rookie contract on their QB. Fields is then going in a trade. Would he still cost a 1st rd pick ? Maybe not his won-lost numbers are 7-23 in games he's started. He's been hurt every year, 2 years left on the rookie contract maybe he goes for a 2nd rd pick add a lower pick with it if you wish. We can still afford him even with DJ's contract is he worth it ? Do we like this option especially if it doesn't cost us a 1st rd pick and we still pick 4th or 5th. Some talking heads don't think the Bears will get a 1st rd pick for him. Others love him. Any opinions ? If we're looking for a bridge QB and I do not see Fields being any more than that, I'd accomplish that with the guys we have. No need to give up draft capital no matter how cheap for something the isn't going to advance the team, that just exacerbates things. Good point, I am not sure what Fields potential is it could be a lot higher once he gets out of Chicago. But your right in 2 years his rookie contract is up then what ? Another Jones type decision ? If we say no then why waste 2 years with Fields ? Very good point, the more I think about it we must go QB with our #1 pick and if we have to trade up so be it. bite the bullet and trade up if necessary. We must have a top QB and must not miss. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 20, 2023 12:52:34 GMT -5
too bad Kadavarious isn't still on the team, we could trade him even up...  |
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Post by jmike on Dec 20, 2023 12:57:16 GMT -5
too bad Kadavarious isn't still on the team, we could trade him even up... I wouldn't be shocked if the Chiefs would be willing to send Toney to the Bears so Fields can go to the Giants. They'd probably see that as a win for them. I'm sure Mahomes would at least. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 20, 2023 13:19:24 GMT -5
If we're looking for a bridge QB and I do not see Fields being any more than that, I'd accomplish that with the guys we have. No need to give up draft capital no matter how cheap for something the isn't going to advance the team, that just exacerbates things. Good point, I am not sure what Fields potential is it could be a lot higher once he gets out of Chicago. But your right in 2 years his rookie contract is up then what ? Another Jones type decision ? If we say no then why waste 2 years with Fields ? Very good point, the more I think about it we must go QB with our #1 pick and if we have to trade up so be it. bite the bullet and trade up if necessary. We must have a top QB and must not miss. The Giants are as bad as the Bears. I do think great QB play can make a difference and move teams further than their talent but Fields hasn't demonstrated that ever. He's JAG. |
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Post by Modog on Dec 20, 2023 15:31:44 GMT -5
Your right, he doesn't have a lot of wins. but give Justin Fields two more seasons to match DJ career games, and he should have the same number of wins as Daniel Jones. One thing for certain is he absolutely will have more TDs, passing Yards and rushing yards then your favorite QB. Probably less neck injuries too John Fennely had a comparison DJ to the great Trevor Lawrence first 3 years first 48 starts made a mistake the numbers are pretty much Identical I mean to the T. Giants need to move on yes. That is more about what the Giants didn't do then what Jones can't do he is damaged and was when Daboll arrived. It is a sad story hopefully Schoen does a better job of growing our next QB, and that starts with protection and a legit run game spearheaded by a solid OL and a true #1 WR. Something we haven't had here in years and will never win till we do. Those things are the top 2 failures of Dave Gettlemen I saw that comparison and while it was surprising, but when you consider TLaWs rookie season was historically bad while DJs best season in terms of TDs was is rookie year, it makes sense. we all know TLaw is a much better Qb than DJ at this point. No debate |
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