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Post by wtfjjk on Feb 12, 2024 11:11:46 GMT -5
So you want Mara hiring the coordinators? I want him to retire. What do you get when you force a Mara into early retirement? A Mara. Or maybe a McDonnell. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 12, 2024 11:13:36 GMT -5
People, especially Giants fans, are delusional. Many wanted Spags gone, now he wins with the Chiefs and they wished he was back. Many were so mad that DG left and we were stuck with Reese and DG did good in Carolina....then we get him back and people hated it lol. This happens over and over again. They hated Odells antics until we traded him away. They would killed for an OL coach like the 49ers have, then we sign Solari and people hate it.
The grass is always greener someplace else, then when we get that same grass people are pissed.
People are blind to the fact it is 2 different teams with much different talent levels Spags its a very good DC but you gat to have players not 2 or 3. Like the idea of drafting Mahomes we could have traded up but they would have never developed him properly as the chiefs did. We did not have a playoff team to plug him into and still don't mostly because then and now the OL was never good enough to develop a young QB. the Giants don’t seem to develop too much of anything correctly. Mahomes would still be a stud here though. The Giants should have traded up for him yet, even had the Giants been picking in the top 10 that year they probably would have passed. They were enamored with Eli and have enamored with screwing up for a decade now. Had the Giants drafted QB Allen, he wouldn’t be the same either imo. I think I saw an NFC Standings stat over the last decade in which the Giants were last. This is all Mara. |
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Post by sickntired on Feb 12, 2024 11:17:42 GMT -5
What do you get when you force a Mara into early retirement? A Mara. Or maybe a McDonnell. Yeah…a lot to look forward to huh? |
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 12, 2024 11:33:59 GMT -5
What do you get when you force a Mara into early retirement? A Mara. Or maybe a McDonnell. seems more like an inherited hobby than a stressful job in need of a break like retirement. Managing family and convincing himself he’s the solution despite the annual failures is probably his more challenging task. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 12, 2024 11:35:51 GMT -5
People are blind to the fact it is 2 different teams with much different talent levels Spags its a very good DC but you gat to have players not 2 or 3. Like the idea of drafting Mahomes we could have traded up but they would have never developed him properly as the chiefs did. We did not have a playoff team to plug him into and still don't mostly because then and now the OL was never good enough to develop a young QB. the Giants don’t seem to develop too much of anything correctly. Mahomes would still be a stud here though. The Giants should have traded up for him yet, even had the Giants been picking in the top 10 that year they probably would have passed. They were enamored with Eli and have enamored with screwing up for a decade now. Had the Giants drafted QB Allen, he wouldn’t be the same either imo. I think I saw an NFC Standings stat over the last decade in which the Giants were last. This is all Mara. It would have been the right pick, He was raw don't think he would have been a stud unless a lot of things were done right when there was only OBJ he would have a spy every passing down he isn't the fastest guy think he was 4.65 one man doesn't beat a defense with only a few things to worry about the #1 thing is the QB. He would have gotten beaten into the ground there was no Barkley to take the heat off him and there would have been no learning year he wasn't an NFL QB coming out he had the traits but he needed to learn. He would have made some spectacular plays but it would be to hard IMHO for a young raw prospect to over come a roster devoid of talent with a defense that would give up every lead it had to add to the demoralizing aspect as to playing fro a bottom 3 team. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 12, 2024 11:38:14 GMT -5
Like the Cowterds ands Eagles get 2 games each against the Giants and the Commando's for that matter. The Chiefs don't have as many slouches they get the Raiders twice a year but that D is legit and they showed it last night. The Eagles gave up 25 and 27 points to us this year, we're on our way up!
The Chiefs do have a really good D though, they were 2nd in PA and Yards. I know Mahommes and Reid are amazing but that D is the reason they won. In the AFCCG they held the #4 scoring O to 10 points. That 10-3 halftime score would have been way worse if not for the D.
thye are a really good defense with an excellent orchestrator to lead them. |
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Post by Modog on Feb 12, 2024 11:38:57 GMT -5
What do you get when you force a Mara into early retirement? A Mara. Or maybe a McDonnell. The Giants are all they know. While most sport owners made their money elsewhere, Maras did not. I saw a list recently which ranked net worth of Sports owners, John Mara was at the bottom with 500m. I suppose this is because he has to split with his siblings and other share holders which are actively part of the organization. What I'm trying to say is, Mara(s) or McDonnell(s) ain't selling the team anytime soon. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 12, 2024 11:43:32 GMT -5
The NFL is designed by rule to score when a D is keeping team around 19 to 21 points a game they are good of course every D gets a shot or 2 at a pathetic offense like the Giants, that will make average drop some. Like the Cowterds ands Eagles get 2 games each against the Giants and the Commando's for that matter. The Chiefs don't have as many slouches they get the Raiders twice a year but that D is legit and they showed it last night. Spags understood the niners run game and also understood Purdy as a QB he knew he was an excellent processor and a good creator he also understood he has 50 yard arm 55 really stretching it so they tried to keep the lid on and deal with 0-15 and 15 to 25 maybe 30 yard routes it kept them under 20 with OT. Spags new his environment and formed and excellent plan to win, they were close to getting run over tho in the run game think they hung on just enough to discourage them trying to run them into the ground. I think if there was any mistake at all Shanny could have been a bit more patient with the run and I'm not saying there was because they had the LOS crowded. After the McDuffie hold, I thought the Chiefs were cooked. It's so hard to play defense in OT. Looked like the Niners were going to walk it in. Spags with that red zone D. That was his trademark here. Basically won the game by holding them to a FG. That was the biggest stop of the game giving the ball back to a big game QB like Mahomes was not gonna end well, especially it seemed they held back on Kelce some and broke him out of raps that last drive. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 12, 2024 11:45:00 GMT -5
the Giants don’t seem to develop too much of anything correctly. Mahomes would still be a stud here though. The Giants should have traded up for him yet, even had the Giants been picking in the top 10 that year they probably would have passed. They were enamored with Eli and have enamored with screwing up for a decade now. Had the Giants drafted QB Allen, he wouldn’t be the same either imo. I think I saw an NFC Standings stat over the last decade in which the Giants were last. This is all Mara. It would have been the right pick, He was raw don't think he would have been a stud unless a lot of things were done right when there was only OBJ he would have a spy every passing down he isn't the fastest guy think he was 4.65 one man doesn't beat a defense with only a few things to worry about the #1 thing is the QB. He would have gotten beaten into the ground there was no Barkley to take the heat off him and there would have been no learning year he wasn't an NFL QB coming out he had the traits but he needed to learn. He would have made some spectacular plays but it would be to hard IMHO for a young raw prospect to over come a roster devoid of talent with a defense that would give up every lead it had to add to the demoralizing aspect as to playing fro a bottom 3 team. imo, he would have made a lot of plays yet got picked off a lot. With or without Barkley wouldn’t have made a difference IMO. Honestly, Barkley hasn’t really helped anybody regardless imo. A few flashes as a rookie still didn’t equate to wins or making life easier for the QB. Despite never blocking in college he was touted as being a great, NFL ready blocker. Well, he still isn’t a reliable blocker. With a better team I still think Barkley can be a stud yet he needs a lot in place. Not sure what is in place for the Giants besides a left tackle. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 12, 2024 11:55:28 GMT -5
What do you get when you force a Mara into early retirement? A Mara. Or maybe a McDonnell. The Giants are all they know. While most sport owners made their money elsewhere, Maras did not. I saw a list recently which ranked net worth of Sports owners, John Mara was at the bottom with 500m. I suppose this is because he has to split with his siblings and other share holders which are actively part of the organization. What I'm trying to say is, Mara(s) or McDonnell(s) ain't selling the team anytime soon. Here's how much Mara gets involved when DG made the trade and was about to pick Toney the only question Mara had was Dave are you sure about this and we know the answer. This theory has been floating around forever but every GM that has worked have said the only thing they get is full support all money and all support make what ever changes they feel need to be made, judging by the last 12 or so years of drafts he should be asking more questions and so should one of the Tisch's. DG and JR could be slaughtering them but there not till some one says they are pushing dumb football moves I will stick with they were way to loyal to Reese and after that didn't learn there lesson and repeated it with DG lucky they canned him after 4. schoen seems to be the most modern out of all of them we will see how his drafts go so far it's a mixed bag at least they aren't tiffs like so many had been 10 ro 11 years before he took over. |
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Post by Zimonami on Feb 12, 2024 12:05:18 GMT -5
Because we don’t know how to keep them. Mara is Mara. Did you expect him to stay when he was offered a HC position with the Rams? Coughlin was entrenched here, so you weren't going to fire TC to see if Spags could be a HC, As it was, he failed as a HC and life moves on in the NFL.... and he'll likely always be a DC. He did come back to the Giants in 2015 -2017 and never repeated the success he had with us in 2007. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 12, 2024 12:12:22 GMT -5
It would have been the right pick, He was raw don't think he would have been a stud unless a lot of things were done right when there was only OBJ he would have a spy every passing down he isn't the fastest guy think he was 4.65 one man doesn't beat a defense with only a few things to worry about the #1 thing is the QB. He would have gotten beaten into the ground there was no Barkley to take the heat off him and there would have been no learning year he wasn't an NFL QB coming out he had the traits but he needed to learn. He would have made some spectacular plays but it would be to hard IMHO for a young raw prospect to over come a roster devoid of talent with a defense that would give up every lead it had to add to the demoralizing aspect as to playing fro a bottom 3 team. imo, he would have made a lot of plays yet got picked off a lot. With or without Barkley wouldn’t have made a difference IMO. Honestly, Barkley hasn’t really helped anybody regardless imo. A few flashes as a rookie still didn’t equate to wins or making life easier for the QB. Despite never blocking in college he was touted as being a great, NFL ready blocker. Well, he still isn’t a reliable blocker. With a better team I still think Barkley can be a stud yet he needs a lot in place. Not sure what is in place for the Giants besides a left tackle. Simple math the passing game is always worse when he isn't playing I have looked up the numbers don't have them available because it a coupe years ago. We will probably not agree completely on this I'm not sure if the Giants are set for success yet because as good as Barkley can be it is time to rip the band aid off let him go win somewhere and help a team that can block. The teams Mahomes would have joined were pretty bad on both sides of the ball look you gotta try so drafting him would have been the right move for the Giants and the worst possible thing for Mahomes. The Giants have a chance to fix some past mistakes this draft don't know if they can get a QB this time depending on trade options but they can fix the OL and help the coverage and pass rush if not. I don't think it's ever as simple as just get these guys with unbelievable physical traits and teach them it is who is teaching them. Also trying to project a young raw prospect going to a bottom 3 team in disarray compared to a top 10 team with best offensive coach in recent memory running it is pretty obvious what the best situation would be also having a year to watch how a true vet handles a playoff team form the sideline can't be beat. Giants had that opportunity could have left Jones on the bench for a year would it have helped who know and really at this point who cares the people involved are gone Eli is long retired. I just don't see the rosy future he is living now if he started here I see a better chance he wastes 4 years and ends up else where trying to learn how to QB in the NFL. |
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Post by sickntired on Feb 12, 2024 12:21:41 GMT -5
Because we don’t know how to keep them. Mara is Mara. Did you expect him to stay when he was offered a HC position with the Rams? Coughlin was entrenched here, so you weren't going to fire TC to see if Spags could be a HC, As it was, he failed as a HC and life moves on in the NFL.... and he'll likely always be a DC. He did come back to the Giants in 2015 -2017 and never repeated the success he had with us in 2007. This is where it’s hard for me as a fan. When we lose someone like Spags, we really lose. He wasn’t replaced with anyone just as good or better and it’s bitter for me. This organization doesn’t know how to win. We are flash in pan, that’s it. If I could, I would keep the past winners as long as I could, but it’s not possible. Why bother cheering for a team destined to lose? Aggravating. |
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Post by Zimonami on Feb 12, 2024 12:36:16 GMT -5
Did you expect him to stay when he was offered a HC position with the Rams? Coughlin was entrenched here, so you weren't going to fire TC to see if Spags could be a HC, As it was, he failed as a HC and life moves on in the NFL.... and he'll likely always be a DC. He did come back to the Giants in 2015 -2017 and never repeated the success he had with us in 2007. This is where it’s hard for me as a fan. When we lose someone like Spags, we really lose. He wasn’t replaced with anyone just as good or better and it’s bitter for me. This organization doesn’t know how to win. We are flash in pan, that’s it. If I could, I would keep the past winners as long as I could, but it’s not possible. Why bother cheering for a team destined to lose? Aggravating. How were we supposed to keep him when he was offered a HC position that was not available here? Look up his lifetime coaching gigs. He's been around the block and never stays in one place for too long. He coached at a mid College level for many years, with 2 stints in the European league. He's been up and down as a DC which tells me his good years were when he had the most talent. We had a lot of excellent players when he did his best job here in 2007 and he has some excellent players now in KC. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 12, 2024 12:41:58 GMT -5
imo, he would have made a lot of plays yet got picked off a lot. With or without Barkley wouldn’t have made a difference IMO. Honestly, Barkley hasn’t really helped anybody regardless imo. A few flashes as a rookie still didn’t equate to wins or making life easier for the QB. Despite never blocking in college he was touted as being a great, NFL ready blocker. Well, he still isn’t a reliable blocker. With a better team I still think Barkley can be a stud yet he needs a lot in place. Not sure what is in place for the Giants besides a left tackle. Simple math the passing game is always worse when he isn't playing I have looked up the numbers don't have them available because it a coupe years ago. We will probably not agree completely on this I'm not sure if the Giants are set for success yet because as good as Barkley can be it is time to rip the band aid off let him go win somewhere and help a team that can block. The teams Mahomes would have joined were pretty bad on both sides of the ball look you gotta try so drafting him would have been the right move for the Giants and the worst possible thing for Mahomes. The Giants have a chance to fix some past mistakes this draft don't know if they can get a QB this time depending on trade options but they can fix the OL and help the coverage and pass rush if not. I don't think it's ever as simple as just get these guys with unbelievable physical traits and teach them it is who is teaching them. Also trying to project a young raw prospect going to a bottom 3 team in disarray compared to a top 10 team with best offensive coach in recent memory running it is pretty obvious what the best situation would be also having a year to watch how a true vet handles a playoff team form the sideline can't be beat. Giants had that opportunity could have left Jones on the bench for a year would it have helped who know and really at this point who cares the people involved are gone Eli is long retired. I just don't see the rosy future he is living now if he started here I see a better chance he wastes 4 years and ends up else where trying to learn how to QB in the NFL. I think the Vegas odds are around the 28th best shot at winning the Super Bowl next season at about 10,0000-1. this org is a mess unless they prove it otherwise. so if the Giants find a QB in this draft I’m not sure how I h support he will have. They NEED a QB though b/c of two things: 1. The 2025 class looks weak 2. Beyond 2025 the Jones contract has an injury clause where he gets guaranteed money. now if Jones plays well, ok that’s good. Maybe he can be moved or he’s good enough to keep. At least we have options. That”s why this #6 draft a slot is such as issue whereas talent-wise this is really a bottom 3 team. Chicago made a nice trade so they aren’t as bad as #1 overall. Washington and New England stink like the Giants whereas AZ and San Diego are better. Only worse team league wide is probably Carolina. |
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Post by te88 on Feb 12, 2024 13:00:13 GMT -5
I think he’s an all time great DC at this point
Success in different ‘eras’ under different HCs.
Only DC in history to win SBs with different teams as a coordinator.
Always shows up in big games - great game planner. Defences have a great playoff record.
Great coach
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 12, 2024 13:21:32 GMT -5
Simple math the passing game is always worse when he isn't playing I have looked up the numbers don't have them available because it a coupe years ago. We will probably not agree completely on this I'm not sure if the Giants are set for success yet because as good as Barkley can be it is time to rip the band aid off let him go win somewhere and help a team that can block. The teams Mahomes would have joined were pretty bad on both sides of the ball look you gotta try so drafting him would have been the right move for the Giants and the worst possible thing for Mahomes. The Giants have a chance to fix some past mistakes this draft don't know if they can get a QB this time depending on trade options but they can fix the OL and help the coverage and pass rush if not. I don't think it's ever as simple as just get these guys with unbelievable physical traits and teach them it is who is teaching them. Also trying to project a young raw prospect going to a bottom 3 team in disarray compared to a top 10 team with best offensive coach in recent memory running it is pretty obvious what the best situation would be also having a year to watch how a true vet handles a playoff team form the sideline can't be beat. Giants had that opportunity could have left Jones on the bench for a year would it have helped who know and really at this point who cares the people involved are gone Eli is long retired. I just don't see the rosy future he is living now if he started here I see a better chance he wastes 4 years and ends up else where trying to learn how to QB in the NFL. I think the Vegas odds are around the 28th best shot at winning the Super Bowl next season at about 10,0000-1. this org is a mess unless they prove it otherwise. so if the Giants find a QB in this draft I’m not sure how I h support he will have. They NEED a QB though b/c of two things: 1. The 2025 class looks weak 2. Beyond 2025 the Jones contract has an injury clause where he gets guaranteed money. now if Jones plays well, ok that’s good. Maybe he can be moved or he’s good enough to keep. At least we have options. That”s why this #6 draft a slot is such as issue whereas talent-wise this is really a bottom 3 team. Chicago made a nice trade so they aren’t as bad as #1 overall. Washington and New England stink like the Giants whereas AZ and San Diego are better. Only worse team league wide is probably Carolina. If they can get up and get a QB or get McCarthy a little later or maybe Nix sit who ever for a year, while they try to solidify the OL and roster build they should no matter how poor the roster is they have to try hopefully they have an plan of how to raise up a young QB. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 12, 2024 13:29:20 GMT -5
Did you expect him to stay when he was offered a HC position with the Rams? Coughlin was entrenched here, so you weren't going to fire TC to see if Spags could be a HC, As it was, he failed as a HC and life moves on in the NFL.... and he'll likely always be a DC. He did come back to the Giants in 2015 -2017 and never repeated the success he had with us in 2007. This is where it’s hard for me as a fan. When we lose someone like Spags, we really lose. He wasn’t replaced with anyone just as good or better and it’s bitter for me. This organization doesn’t know how to win. We are flash in pan, that’s it. If I could, I would keep the past winners as long as I could, but it’s not possible. Why bother cheering for a team destined to lose? Aggravating. Thats how this franchise got into this mess they never replaced McKenzie Snee Ohara Suebert Diehl Tuck Osi Pierce took 5 years to replace BJ and Bradshaw the list goes on this has been the down fall since 2009 the pipeline has been empty of players that should have been waiting their turn. Only reason I didn't add Strahan is because they drafted JPP thye did draft OBJ but never replaced Manningham and Cruz or Toomer for that matter. This is why the suck and will suck till they fill out the starting units and get some depth in here that doesn't happen over night. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 12, 2024 13:32:49 GMT -5
I think he’s an all time great DC at this point Success in different ‘eras’ under different HCs. Only DC in history to win SBs with different teams as a coordinator. Always shows up in big games - great game planner. Defences have a great playoff record. Great coach Spags learned from one of the best to ever do it in Jim Johnson, love the way he brings pressure he saves it for the biggest spots just an excellent coach hard to believe Reid let TC take him even tho it was not a lateral move. |
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Post by McCherry on Feb 12, 2024 13:35:45 GMT -5
This is where it’s hard for me as a fan. When we lose someone like Spags, we really lose. He wasn’t replaced with anyone just as good or better and it’s bitter for me. This organization doesn’t know how to win. We are flash in pan, that’s it. If I could, I would keep the past winners as long as I could, but it’s not possible. Why bother cheering for a team destined to lose? Aggravating. Thats how this franchise got into this mess they never replaced McKenzie Snee Ohara Suebert Diehl Tuck Osi Pierce took 5 years to replace BJ and Bradshaw the list goes on this has been the down fall since 2009 the pipeline has been empty of players that should have been waiting their turn. Only reason I didn't add Strahan is because they drafted JPP thye did draft OBJ but never replaced Manningham and Cruz or Toomer for that matter. This is why the suck and will suck till they fill out the starting units and get some depth in here that doesn't happen over night. Yep, thats where it went off the rails. Mosley, McCants, Brewer, Hart, Petrus, Herman, Bisnowaty... Reese couldn't find a useful OL if he were at the Pro Bowl. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 12, 2024 13:47:38 GMT -5
I think the Vegas odds are around the 28th best shot at winning the Super Bowl next season at about 10,0000-1. this org is a mess unless they prove it otherwise. so if the Giants find a QB in this draft I’m not sure how I h support he will have. They NEED a QB though b/c of two things: 1. The 2025 class looks weak 2. Beyond 2025 the Jones contract has an injury clause where he gets guaranteed money. now if Jones plays well, ok that’s good. Maybe he can be moved or he’s good enough to keep. At least we have options. That”s why this #6 draft a slot is such as issue whereas talent-wise this is really a bottom 3 team. Chicago made a nice trade so they aren’t as bad as #1 overall. Washington and New England stink like the Giants whereas AZ and San Diego are better. Only worse team league wide is probably Carolina. If they can get up and get a QB or get McCarthy a little later or maybe Nix sit who ever for a year, while they try to solidify the OL and roster build they should no matter how poor the roster is they have to try hopefully they have an plan of how to raise up a young QB. only teams in the drivers seats are picking #1, #2 and #3. After that, you have Atlanta, Minny, Denver and the Raiders all who need QBs. So, with almost nothing coming out in 2025 I’m not sure a McCarthy is getting past all of them. So Nix, who looked like shiat at Auburn and we can’t tell if he’s just taking advantage of a wide open PAC-12, and Penix, who has had more injuries pre-NFL than most QBs have had for a career is the last of the perceived top tiers. oh, and our QB has a neck and knee issues with an injury clause heading into 2025 despite regressing when healthy. The Giants might actually need to trade up with San Diego just to reach for the best of the rest QBs. Thinking Atlanta is a threat to move up while the cost might be too high or the Chargers might be unwilling to help the division rival Broncos or Raiders. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 12, 2024 14:00:26 GMT -5
This is where it’s hard for me as a fan. When we lose someone like Spags, we really lose. He wasn’t replaced with anyone just as good or better and it’s bitter for me. This organization doesn’t know how to win. We are flash in pan, that’s it. If I could, I would keep the past winners as long as I could, but it’s not possible. Why bother cheering for a team destined to lose? Aggravating. Thats how this franchise got into this mess they never replaced McKenzie Snee Ohara Suebert Diehl Tuck Osi Pierce took 5 years to replace BJ and Bradshaw the list goes on this has been the down fall since 2009 the pipeline has been empty of players that should have been waiting their turn. Only reason I didn't add Strahan is because they drafted JPP thye did draft OBJ but never replaced Manningham and Cruz or Toomer for that matter. This is why the suck and will suck till they fill out the starting units and get some depth in here that doesn't happen over night. nope, they should have gone back to back OL at the 2012 draft. Instead they went HB Wilson and WR Randle. Think about that. Jacobs/Bradshaw with Nicks, Cruz and Manningham. So they drafted Wilson and Randle with an OL that only had Snee. Osemele was right there along with others. |
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 12, 2024 14:41:12 GMT -5
Because we don’t know how to keep them. Mara is Mara. Did you expect him to stay when he was offered a HC position with the Rams? Coughlin was entrenched here, so you weren't going to fire TC to see if Spags could be a HC, As it was, he failed as a HC and life moves on in the NFL.... and he'll likely always be a DC. He did come back to the Giants in 2015 -2017 and never repeated the success he had with us in 2007.Short memory around here.. We had the second ranked defense in all of football in 2016.. We were a Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie injury away from rocking the Packers to sleep in the playoffs. If Martindale had that defense, fans would suck the enamel from his teeth. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 12, 2024 14:56:50 GMT -5
Thats how this franchise got into this mess they never replaced McKenzie Snee Ohara Suebert Diehl Tuck Osi Pierce took 5 years to replace BJ and Bradshaw the list goes on this has been the down fall since 2009 the pipeline has been empty of players that should have been waiting their turn. Only reason I didn't add Strahan is because they drafted JPP thye did draft OBJ but never replaced Manningham and Cruz or Toomer for that matter. This is why the suck and will suck till they fill out the starting units and get some depth in here that doesn't happen over night. nope, they should have gone back to back OL at the 2012 draft. Instead they went HB Wilson and WR Randle. Think about that. Jacobs/Bradshaw with Nicks, Cruz and Manningham. So they drafted Wilson and Randle with an OL that only had Snee. Osemele was right there along with others. And Snee was hitting the wall by then he had shoulder issues and hip they new he wasn't long for the NFL they were a clown show both Randle and Wilson were reaches to boot Wilson was a project he fumbling issues and had very little pass pro and Randle was just Randle i can remember ever draft analyst saying no no no not in the second. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 12, 2024 15:01:45 GMT -5
If they can get up and get a QB or get McCarthy a little later or maybe Nix sit who ever for a year, while they try to solidify the OL and roster build they should no matter how poor the roster is they have to try hopefully they have an plan of how to raise up a young QB. only teams in the drivers seats are picking #1, #2 and #3. After that, you have Atlanta, Minny, Denver and the Raiders all who need QBs. So, with almost nothing coming out in 2025 I’m not sure a McCarthy is getting past all of them. So Nix, who looked like shiat at Auburn and we can’t tell if he’s just taking advantage of a wide open PAC-12, and Penix, who has had more injuries pre-NFL than most QBs have had for a career is the last of the perceived top tiers. oh, and our QB has a neck and knee issues with an injury clause heading into 2025 despite regressing when healthy. The Giants might actually need to trade up with San Diego just to reach for the best of the rest QBs. Thinking Atlanta is a threat to move up while the cost might be too high or the Chargers might be unwilling to help the division rival Broncos or Raiders. If they end up frozen out they might want to let Daboll Kafka and Tierney take a stab at developing fields hate the idea of it but we are talking 2026 if things don't go our way in our search fro a QB this draft. He has the traits in spades problem is he is do to get his option picked up. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 12, 2024 15:12:48 GMT -5
nope, they should have gone back to back OL at the 2012 draft. Instead they went HB Wilson and WR Randle. Think about that. Jacobs/Bradshaw with Nicks, Cruz and Manningham. So they drafted Wilson and Randle with an OL that only had Snee. Osemele was right there along with others. And Snee was hitting the wall by then he had shoulder issues and hip they new he wasn't long for the NFL they were a clown show both Randle and Wilson were reaches to boot Wilson was a project he fumbling issues and had very little pass pro and Randle was just Randle i can remember ever draft analyst saying no no no not in the second. Giants had a 1st around grade on Randle and were stunned he was still there. 😳 |
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 12, 2024 15:15:12 GMT -5
only teams in the drivers seats are picking #1, #2 and #3. After that, you have Atlanta, Minny, Denver and the Raiders all who need QBs. So, with almost nothing coming out in 2025 I’m not sure a McCarthy is getting past all of them. So Nix, who looked like shiat at Auburn and we can’t tell if he’s just taking advantage of a wide open PAC-12, and Penix, who has had more injuries pre-NFL than most QBs have had for a career is the last of the perceived top tiers. oh, and our QB has a neck and knee issues with an injury clause heading into 2025 despite regressing when healthy. The Giants might actually need to trade up with San Diego just to reach for the best of the rest QBs. Thinking Atlanta is a threat to move up while the cost might be too high or the Chargers might be unwilling to help the division rival Broncos or Raiders. If they end up frozen out they might want to let Daboll Kafka and Tierney take a stab at developing fields hate the idea of it but we are talking 2026 if things don't go our way in our search fro a QB this draft. He has the traits in spades problem is he is do to get his option picked up. Well, Fields is in his 4th yr so by 2026 he’ll cost a fortune if he’s any good. |
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Post by lt56 on Feb 12, 2024 15:15:47 GMT -5
Congrats to Coach Spags, his in game adjustments always been good though also Game Plans in Big Games
An All Time Great Defensive Coordinator for Sure
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Spags!!
Feb 12, 2024 15:50:20 GMT -5
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Post by sickntired on Feb 12, 2024 15:50:20 GMT -5
This is where it’s hard for me as a fan. When we lose someone like Spags, we really lose. He wasn’t replaced with anyone just as good or better and it’s bitter for me. This organization doesn’t know how to win. We are flash in pan, that’s it. If I could, I would keep the past winners as long as I could, but it’s not possible. Why bother cheering for a team destined to lose? Aggravating. Thats how this franchise got into this mess they never replaced McKenzie Snee Ohara Suebert Diehl Tuck Osi Pierce took 5 years to replace BJ and Bradshaw the list goes on this has been the down fall since 2009 the pipeline has been empty of players that should have been waiting their turn. Only reason I didn't add Strahan is because they drafted JPP thye did draft OBJ but never replaced Manningham and Cruz or Toomer for that matter. This is why the suck and will suck till they fill out the starting units and get some depth in here that doesn't happen over night. I’ve been pleading this case for years! How voids were never filled for some reason. Where’s all the ****ing money? But still, you see people on this board excited every camp about how great they think our garbage is. Garbage! And they wonder why I get mad. |
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Feb 12, 2024 16:12:12 GMT -5
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Post by jaymas on Feb 12, 2024 16:12:12 GMT -5
They replaced Toomer and Plax 😂.
They drafted Steve Smith, Manningham, Nicks, and found Victor Cruz in subsequent years.
Getting wild in here. Literally in one year from 2008 to 2009 we flipped the whole WR room and we're better in 2009 at that position with a more explosive passing game.
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