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Post by Morehead State on Jun 6, 2018 14:26:51 GMT -5
Dearth of accomplishments? Let me say this first...I did NOT vote for the current president. But to suggest a dearth of accomplishments is nonsense. Since election day....and I mean since the actual evening of the election....the market has been up a staggering amount. That means that pensions, 401K's and IRA's have exploded. Which has allowed millions of Americans to have more security and have the opportunity to lead better lives. The unemployment rate is 3.8%. That is, in economic terms, "full employment". That means millions more Americans have the dignity of work and the ability to have better lives. African American unemployment in the lowest in US history. The economy is growing substantially faster than under either Obama or Bush. Projections are for over 4% growth this year alone. That would reduce the deficit by more than $500B this year alone. That is $500B less our children will be on the hook. All that as a product of a regiment of deregulation and the corportate tax cuts,along with a general friendly attitude towards solid economic principles.... which have re-patriated hundreds of billions, possibly more than a trillion dollars to our economy. Unlike investigations of special council, and Trumps childish tweets and war with the media, those things all have profound effects on the lives of millions of Americans. We are sitting down with North Korea and looking at a possible official end of the Korean conflict which has been in a shaky "cease fire" for more than 6 decades. NK leaders are talking about de-nuclearization. Do you understand the benefits of that? They are staggering. All these "accomplishments" are absolutely unprecidented in American history. So while we argue about kneeling players and taking back of invitations to visit the WH of pro sports teams, the American people are enjoying greater prosperity than we have ever seen. I think our President acts like a clown. And he has the temperament of a 6 year old..........But results don't lie. What folks always fail to realize......the presidency is not about the president.....It's about the country. I agree completely on the economic growth and employment numbers. It's absolutely fair to categorize the continuation of those trends as accomplishments; you're right. That said, projections for US economic growth are still in the goldilocks economy range of 2%-3%, not 4%. And while I hope there is a plan to reduce the deficit, I haven't seen it. I only saw the spending plan that increases the deficit. I agree a more robust economy would help the deficit, however this would only occur if spending were held fast or reduced neither of which is the case with the president's recently approved tax plan. The NK thing is too ludicrous to dispute. I applaud the administration's desire to continue to prop up that fantasy but NK's history doesn't support that at all. There's nothing unprecedented about their continued posing on the de-nuclearization issue to try to get themselves better economic conditions, they did the exact same thing is 1985, 1992, 1994, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2016. Maybe the president isn't aware of this, unfortunately for him pretty much everyone else on earth and certainly nearly everyone in the US is. I agree that the presidency isn't about the president it's about the country. That's the problem, even with the continued economic growth and declining unemployment the country overall isn't improving, it's becoming even more polarized. "Continuation"?? The Obama administration manged the most anemic recovery in American history. History shows that the greater the dip, the greater the recovery. And there were few "dips" more horrific that the 2008 bursting of the housing bubble, followed by the banking crisis. Government, politically motivated meddling in our economy by the last administration squelched growth and prosperity. The ridiculous Dodd-Frank law (Chris Dodd who was caught up on the savings and loan scandal and Barnie Frank who tunred a blind eye to Fanny and Freddie's rewarding the lowering of underwriting standards) was a horrible blow to our economic recovery. It was nothing more than a punishment for big banks when in fact it crippled small banks and their ability to loan money for business and housing........CRUSHING growth and hurting millions of Americans. That crap, along with the mandate in Obamacare was essentially undone in the last year and a half, and an economic explosion has followed. I especially love the policy of "for every one new regulation they must repeal two". That is awesome. Finally folks who actually understand economics are setting fiscal and economic policy. People who actually have lived in the private economy.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 6, 2018 15:05:04 GMT -5
"Continuation"?? The Obama administration manged the most anemic recovery in American history. History shows that the greater the dip, the greater the recovery. And there were few "dips" more horrific that the 2008 bursting of the housing bubble, followed by the banking crisis. Government, politically motivated meddling in our economy by the last administration squelched growth and prosperity. The ridiculous Dodd-Frank law (Chris Dodd who was caught up on the savings and loan scandal and Barnie Frank who tunred a blind eye to Fanny and Freddie's rewarding the lowering of underwriting standards) was a horrible blow to our economic recovery. It was nothing more than a punishment for big banks when in fact it crippled small banks and their ability to loan money for business and housing........CRUSHING growth and hurting millions of Americans. That crap, along with the mandate in Obamacare was essentially undone in the last year and a half, and an economic explosion has followed. I especially love the policy of "for every one new regulation they must repeal two". That is awesome. Finally folks who actually understand economics are setting fiscal and economic policy. People who actually have lived in the private economy. I say continuation only because if something has been growing for 7 years and then grows again in years 8 and 9, I'd consider that a continuation. You won't get an argument from me that over regulation chokes growth or that the previous administration went too far on the regulatory side, but I think it's an oversimplification to dismiss managing the economy to a relatively soft landing and demonstrating growth, albeit slow growth, consistently for the next seven years. This is eye of the beholder stuff. We can't applaud the current president's accomplishment of economic growth while dismissing it for the previous president. It's intellectually inconsistent. I too love the policy of "for every one new regulation they must repeal two". I don't know that there has been much evidence of that yet but it's encouraging.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 6, 2018 20:52:32 GMT -5
As has been stated, you respect the office of the POTUS if not the man. This is on the Eagles players who wanted to keep playing the PC game. How multi-millionaire athletes feel "oppressed" is beyond me. IMO, the practice of sports teams visiting the WH after they win a championship should just be cancelled once & for all. Problem solved.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Jun 6, 2018 21:26:47 GMT -5
Plenty of players have opted out in the past including Brady skipping during the Obama adminsistraion (and subsequently) for the phantom scheduling conflict. And while most players are smart enough like Brady to make up an innocuous excuse, not all are. Actions have consequences. Some players choose not to attend a photo op hosted by a guy who has no actual authority over their livelihood but has wasted more time picking fights with them and their profession rather than using that time to accomplish something productive for the country. It’s well within their rights as citizens to do so. If the president doesn’t like it, that’s too bad. He can always come off like a spoiled child and disinvite them. The old “you can’t dump me because I’m now dumping you” isn’t at all pathetic and it never gets old. Again...It's the office that needs to be respected...even if the current occupant is someone you dislike. If Tom Brady or anyone else didn't show up for political reasons then they should be ashamed of themselves. There are bigger things than political squabbles. This sets a horrible precedent.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Jun 6, 2018 21:44:28 GMT -5
I’ve never quite understood the whole “going to the White House” thing anyway, so I don’t really give a hoot! I went to the WH with my parents on vacation when I was a kid..and I hadn’t won jack shit! I’d just want to see POTUS’ hair up close. And marvel at a man who.....as Christopher Hitchens once noted “managed to cover 90%of his head with only 30% of his hair!”
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 6, 2018 22:20:17 GMT -5
I’ve never quite understood the whole “going to the White House” thing anyway, so I don’t really give a hoot! I went to the WH with my parents on vacation when I was a kid..and I hadn’t won jack shit! I’d just want to see POTUS’ hair up close. And marvel at a man who.....as Christopher Hitchens once noted “managed to cover 90%of his head with only 30% of his hair!” I tend to agree. They have always seemed a bit awkward. Maybe it's time to stop.
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Post by KingCap88 on Jun 7, 2018 10:00:53 GMT -5
But the difference with Bush, Clinton and Obama is that those presidents didn't publicly bash the NFL players, call them SOBs and say that maybe some of them shouldn't be in the country. It's hard for the players to keep politics out of it when the president is turning the fact some of the players kneeled during the anthem to protest social justice issues into a political weapon against the entire NFL. So, it's understandable that a lot of NFL players would find it hard to smile and pose for pictures with the person that's publicly attacked NFL players for months. The president has zero authority in this arena. The biggest issue I have with this is that the owners have essentially handed over control of their business to his ranting. I don't know whether that is more stupid or pathetic. Either way it's no way to run a business. I agree on all points. But the owners have been stupid and pathetic in how they've handled this situation. Not only have they basically handed over control of their business to the president's rants, but they created an even bigger division between themselves and the players. But the situation is only going to get worse because as the players continue to speak out against Trump's rants, the owners are going to be forced to either take a solid stand against the rants or stand with their players.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 7, 2018 11:04:15 GMT -5
The president has zero authority in this arena. The biggest issue I have with this is that the owners have essentially handed over control of their business to his ranting. I don't know whether that is more stupid or pathetic. Either way it's no way to run a business. I agree on all points. But the owners have been stupid and pathetic in how they've handled this situation. Not only have they basically handed over control of their business to the president's rants, but they created an even bigger division between themselves and the players. But the situation is only going to get worse because as the players continue to speak out against Trump's rants, the owners are going to be forced to either take a solid stand against the rants or stand with their players. The owners are far too weak to do either of those things. They will continue to allow themselves to be bullied by an amateur and will ultimately look to take out their frustrations on the players in the next CBA. The had an opportunity to tell the fat kid to eff off by creating a policy with their business partners (the players) and ignoring the windbag but they are far too self serving and chickenshit to do so. Therefore their business will continue to get jerked around. Because they allow it.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 7, 2018 14:06:14 GMT -5
I agree on all points. But the owners have been stupid and pathetic in how they've handled this situation. Not only have they basically handed over control of their business to the president's rants, but they created an even bigger division between themselves and the players. But the situation is only going to get worse because as the players continue to speak out against Trump's rants, the owners are going to be forced to either take a solid stand against the rants or stand with their players. The owners are far too weak to do either of those things. They will continue to allow themselves to be bullied by an amateur and will ultimately look to take out their frustrations on the players in the next CBA. The had an opportunity to tell the fat kid to eff off by creating a policy with their business partners (the players) and ignoring the windbag but they are far too self serving and chickenshit to do so. Therefore their business will continue to get jerked around. Because they allow it. The owners are trying to protect their brand. they don't want politics in their sport. Too many fans of different political points of view and football should be a place to get away from that crap and enjoy the games. I don't blame the owners. We can disagree with their new rule. I would have been more harsh myself but opinions can vary. But I get what they are doing. They have tens of billions of dollars at stake.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 7, 2018 19:31:33 GMT -5
I like this thing where you guys can have a rational political conversation. Lots of good points all around, well done gents. This board really is trending to be a very good place, not that I want to jinx it.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 7, 2018 19:36:54 GMT -5
As has been stated, you respect the office of the POTUS if not the man. This is on the Eagles players who wanted to keep playing the PC game. How multi-millionaire athletes feel "oppressed" is beyond me. IMO, the practice of sports teams visiting the WH after they win a championship should just be cancelled once & for all. Problem solved. How Chris Long has so much to say is beyond me, as I pointed out. To say that you can't understand why a multi-million dollar athlete can understand perceived racial oppression is to say that you think money solves all problems, societal and otherwise. This is patently false. I don't mind what a guy like Malcolm Jenkins has to say and I actually think he has used his platform well. I can tell you that when he walks into the average store in America he is not Malcolm Jenkins the millionaire, he's a black man. To think this country has come anywhere near the point where that's not the case is foolhardy.
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Post by TEM on Jun 7, 2018 19:52:26 GMT -5
I agree completely on the economic growth and employment numbers. It's absolutely fair to categorize the continuation of those trends as accomplishments; you're right. That said, projections for US economic growth are still in the goldilocks economy range of 2%-3%, not 4%. And while I hope there is a plan to reduce the deficit, I haven't seen it. I only saw the spending plan that increases the deficit. I agree a more robust economy would help the deficit, however this would only occur if spending were held fast or reduced neither of which is the case with the president's recently approved tax plan. The NK thing is too ludicrous to dispute. I applaud the administration's desire to continue to prop up that fantasy but NK's history doesn't support that at all. There's nothing unprecedented about their continued posing on the de-nuclearization issue to try to get themselves better economic conditions, they did the exact same thing is 1985, 1992, 1994, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2016. Maybe the president isn't aware of this, unfortunately for him pretty much everyone else on earth and certainly nearly everyone in the US is. I agree that the presidency isn't about the president it's about the country. That's the problem, even with the continued economic growth and declining unemployment the country overall isn't improving, it's becoming even more polarized. "Continuation"?? The Obama administration manged the most anemic recovery in American history. History shows that the greater the dip, the greater the recovery. And there were few "dips" more horrific that the 2008 bursting of the housing bubble, followed by the banking crisis. Government, politically motivated meddling in our economy by the last administration squelched growth and prosperity. The ridiculous Dodd-Frank law (Chris Dodd who was caught up on the savings and loan scandal and Barnie Frank who tunred a blind eye to Fanny and Freddie's rewarding the lowering of underwriting standards) was a horrible blow to our economic recovery. It was nothing more than a punishment for big banks when in fact it crippled small banks and their ability to loan money for business and housing........CRUSHING growth and hurting millions of Americans. That crap, along with the mandate in Obamacare was essentially undone in the last year and a half, and an economic explosion has followed. I especially love the policy of "for every one new regulation they must repeal two". That is awesome. Finally folks who actually understand economics are setting fiscal and economic policy. People who actually have lived in the private economy. Is all I know is I lost two thirds of my Retirement savings during the Obama admin. I got that back + substantial gains in the past 18 months . I have zero complaints. I could give a crap what he says or tweets. My family is way better off now then the previous 8 years. I went almost 9 years without an income increase . I have had 2 raises and a promotion in the past year. I am happy.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 7, 2018 20:02:38 GMT -5
"Continuation"?? The Obama administration manged the most anemic recovery in American history. History shows that the greater the dip, the greater the recovery. And there were few "dips" more horrific that the 2008 bursting of the housing bubble, followed by the banking crisis. Government, politically motivated meddling in our economy by the last administration squelched growth and prosperity. The ridiculous Dodd-Frank law (Chris Dodd who was caught up on the savings and loan scandal and Barnie Frank who tunred a blind eye to Fanny and Freddie's rewarding the lowering of underwriting standards) was a horrible blow to our economic recovery. It was nothing more than a punishment for big banks when in fact it crippled small banks and their ability to loan money for business and housing........CRUSHING growth and hurting millions of Americans. That crap, along with the mandate in Obamacare was essentially undone in the last year and a half, and an economic explosion has followed. I especially love the policy of "for every one new regulation they must repeal two". That is awesome. Finally folks who actually understand economics are setting fiscal and economic policy. People who actually have lived in the private economy. Is all I know is I lost two thirds of my Retirement savings during the Obama admin. I got that back + substantial gains in the past 18 months . I have zero complaints. I could give a crap what he says or tweets. My family is way better off now then the previous 8 years. I went almost 9 years without an income increase . I have had 2 raises and a promotion in the past year. I am happy. Let's just be honest. Many of the people who voted for him know he's a pompous ass. However, he was mainly elected by blue collar Americans who were tired of getting ****ed over. While all the other stuff continues on, those folks are being rewarded for their support of him. Even if most of them did it without so much as one public profession of who they were supporting. As if who you support for President could possibly make you racist. But this country, especially this generation, is exactly small-minded like that.
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Post by TEM on Jun 7, 2018 20:06:09 GMT -5
Is all I know is I lost two thirds of my Retirement savings during the Obama admin. I got that back + substantial gains in the past 18 months . I have zero complaints. I could give a crap what he says or tweets. My family is way better off now then the previous 8 years. I went almost 9 years without an income increase . I have had 2 raises and a promotion in the past year. I am happy. Let's just be honest. Many of the people who voted for him know he's a pompous ass. However, he was mainly elected by blue collar Americans who were tired of getting ****ed over. While all the other stuff continues on, those folks are being rewarded for their support of him. Even if most of them did it without so much as one public profession of who they were supporting. As if who you support for President could possibly make you racist. But this country, especially this generation, is exactly small-minded like that. Well said
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 8, 2018 1:12:55 GMT -5
Is all I know is I lost two thirds of my Retirement savings during the Obama admin. I got that back + substantial gains in the past 18 months . I have zero complaints. I could give a crap what he says or tweets. My family is way better off now then the previous 8 years. I went almost 9 years without an income increase . I have had 2 raises and a promotion in the past year. I am happy. That's is awesome! As MH said oppressive regulation is a long, slow business homicide and the nanny state pols don't seem to get that. I too personally have no complaints about the economy.
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Post by KingCap88 on Jun 9, 2018 9:52:09 GMT -5
I agree on all points. But the owners have been stupid and pathetic in how they've handled this situation. Not only have they basically handed over control of their business to the president's rants, but they created an even bigger division between themselves and the players. But the situation is only going to get worse because as the players continue to speak out against Trump's rants, the owners are going to be forced to either take a solid stand against the rants or stand with their players. The owners are far too weak to do either of those things. They will continue to allow themselves to be bullied by an amateur and will ultimately look to take out their frustrations on the players in the next CBA. The had an opportunity to tell the fat kid to eff off by creating a policy with their business partners (the players) and ignoring the windbag but they are far too self serving and chickenshit to do so. Therefore their business will continue to get jerked around. Because they allow it. I agree with everything you said. The owners would be better off if they took a page from how the NBA owners and players handle matters. But since some of the owners donated to the inauguration they've put themselves between a rock and a hard place.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 9, 2018 11:15:44 GMT -5
The owners are far too weak to do either of those things. They will continue to allow themselves to be bullied by an amateur and will ultimately look to take out their frustrations on the players in the next CBA. The had an opportunity to tell the fat kid to eff off by creating a policy with their business partners (the players) and ignoring the windbag but they are far too self serving and chickenshit to do so. Therefore their business will continue to get jerked around. Because they allow it. I agree with everything you said. The owners would be better off if they took a page from how the NBA owners and players handle matters. But since some of the owners donated to the inauguration they've put themselves between a rock and a hard place. Yeah, my preference here is to always own my business decisions, that way if it fails that’s on me. I prefer the approach of other leagues as opposed to the NFL owners approach, which is a non position. For better or for worse, the NBA addressed it internally. The NFL waits for random interlopers to force it to address issues it should be addressing through it’s own business strategy. So, they end up trying to keep everyone happy and generally fail miserably at it. There’s nothing weaker than no position
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Post by EliQB10 on Jun 9, 2018 21:00:32 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said. The owners would be better off if they took a page from how the NBA owners and players handle matters. But since some of the owners donated to the inauguration they've put themselves between a rock and a hard place. Yeah, my preference here is to always own my business decisions, that way if it fails that’s on me. I prefer the approach of other leagues as opposed to the NFL owners approach, which is a non position. For better or for worse, the NBA addressed it internally. The NFL waits for random interlopers to force it to address issues it should be addressing through it’s own business strategy. So, they end up trying to keep everyone happy and generally fail miserably at it. There’s nothing weaker than no position I agree, Sarc..Ive said on numerous occasions that the NFL could take a page from out of the NBA's book on how to handle this issue.
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Post by KingCap88 on Jun 10, 2018 9:46:10 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said. The owners would be better off if they took a page from how the NBA owners and players handle matters. But since some of the owners donated to the inauguration they've put themselves between a rock and a hard place. Yeah, my preference here is to always own my business decisions, that way if it fails that’s on me. I prefer the approach of other leagues as opposed to the NFL owners approach, which is a non position. For better or for worse, the NBA addressed it internally. The NFL waits for random interlopers to force it to address issues it should be addressing through it’s own business strategy. So, they end up trying to keep everyone happy and generally fail miserably at it. There’s nothing weaker than no position Exactly. The NFL's strategy of letting the loudest voices of dissent dictate their business decisions is a losing strategy and will eventually blow up in their faces. Actually, I think it's going to blow up in their faces this season.
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Post by trentongiantsfan83 on Jun 15, 2018 18:02:23 GMT -5
God I hated this Eagles team more than any other of their teams in history ever this year. This shit with the whole being all butthurt at Donnie is funny as hell to me. Chris Long is a dude that grew up with a silver spoon inserted in his rectum. I wish Chris Long, would actually visit places in Trenton such as Chambersburg. I doubt he would but man he would probably shit his organic Armani pants.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 17, 2018 11:01:57 GMT -5
The political opinions of spoiled, pampered, prima donna, multimillionaire athletes & Hollywood celebrities is about as important or as relevant as the opinion of sheep are to a lion & about as useful as a shit flavored lollipop!
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 17, 2018 11:09:28 GMT -5
The political opinions of spoiled, pampered, prima donna, multimillionaire athletes & Hollywood celebrities is about as important or as relevant as the opinion of sheep are to a lion & about as useful as a shit flavored lollipop! And yet we put one into the White House and for some reason, some actually listen to him. Ironic, no?
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 17, 2018 11:40:31 GMT -5
We put a man in the WH that actually gives a damn about the US & the US citizens, not about anybody else outside the US. That is a big shock to those of you that want everyone & there mom to infest our country by coming here illegally. Last I checked, there is a lawful & legal way to seek US citizenship into this country. All of our great grandparents or grandparents went thru it back in the 20s-'30's, etc & they did it the right & legal way.
News flash for ya, in other countries around the world, you get shot on sight trying to sneak across a foreign border & they are well within their rights to do so. Illegals sneaking into our country are very fortunate we don't do that. Here, they get rewarded with 3 hots & a cot & free/cheap housing & free medical while homeless American combat vets live on the streets. Some of you are actually alright with that.
Charity begins at home, not elsewhere.
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Post by KingCap88 on Jun 17, 2018 12:55:49 GMT -5
Golden State already didn't have a visit. What's funny to me is that pretty much whoever ends up in office next will arrive and this will all stop. And there will be players who don't agree with that guys politics, but it won't be fashionable and trendy to bash that President. Oh well, it's 2018 and this is who we are. I like that Chris Long is so outspoken about all of this. That's who I need life advice from Howie Long's son who grew up with a silver spoon up his ***. At what point in his life has that guy had any sort of valuable real life experiences that the Average Joe(like myself) goes through? It's not about being 'fashionable' or 'trendy' to bash our current president. Previous presidents have had players opt out of visits to the White House because they didn't like that particular president or his politics. It's just happening on a broader scale with Trump because he brings it on himself. In the case of the NFL, no player is going to want to pose for pictures with any president who has made it his mission to publicly bash them for political purposes. If the next president is anything like Trump you'll see plenty of pro athletes skipping the White House visits too. As for Chris Long growing up with a silver spoon, our current president grew up with a silver spoon too and somehow managed to get plenty of working class average joe's and jane's to believe he understood their pain and experiences.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 17, 2018 13:30:01 GMT -5
We put a man in the WH that actually gives a damn about the US & the US citizens, not about anybody else outside the US. That is a big shock to those of you that want everyone & there mom to infest our country by coming here illegally. Last I checked, there is a lawful & legal way to seek US citizenship into this country. All of our great grandparents or grandparents went thru it back in the 20s-'30's, etc & they did it the right & legal way. News flash for ya, in other countries around the world, you get shot on sight trying to sneak across a foreign border & they are well within their rights to do so. Illegals sneaking into our country are very fortunate we don't do that. Here, they get rewarded with 3 hots & a cot & free/cheap housing & free medical while homeless American combat vets live on the streets. Some of you are actually alright with that. Charity begins at home, not elsewhere. I disagree with your opinion about the current WH occupant, but no matter, that’s the beauty of this country. And I’ll leave it at that since none of the rest of the opinions expressed in your post address anything material or relevant to the issue being discussed.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 18, 2018 6:43:55 GMT -5
The political opinions of spoiled, pampered, prima donna, multimillionaire athletes & Hollywood celebrities is about as important or as relevant as the opinion of sheep are to a lion & about as useful as a shit flavored lollipop! Amen brother.
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 18, 2018 8:14:38 GMT -5
How do you pass on a chance to get to see the inside of the White House in a way that few Americans are allowed to see?
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 18, 2018 8:20:37 GMT -5
How do you pass on a chance to get to see the inside of the White House in a way that few Americans are allowed to see? Exactly what Monica Lewinsky was thinking.
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 18, 2018 8:24:48 GMT -5
How do you pass on a chance to get to see the inside of the White House in a way that few Americans are allowed to see? Exactly what Monica Lewinsky was thinking. Ha...and if the President wants to try that with Chris Long, I wish him luck!
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 18, 2018 8:29:15 GMT -5
Exactly what Monica Lewinsky was thinking. Ha...and if the President wants to try that with Chris Long, I wish him luck! Here, have a cigar, Chris - LOLOLOL!
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