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Post by fifthavephil on Jun 30, 2019 21:41:37 GMT -5
Jimmy Butler to the Heat. T. Harris resigns with Philly. With Toronto even losng Leonard they will be tough. Philly always tough. Nets now will be competing for first place and Boston shoukdbe real good addind K. Walker. Knicks might be a last place team again even with who they signed. Id say probably no better then 4th Basically, the Nets traded Russell for Irving. Let's not mention money. Durant will not be playing next year. So. I don't see the Nets, that much improved, if any.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 30, 2019 22:01:46 GMT -5
Knicks should go after Russell
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Post by fifthavephil on Jun 30, 2019 22:48:33 GMT -5
Knicks should go after Russell Warriors, will be signing D'Angelo Russell to a max deal. 4years 117 million.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 30, 2019 23:05:15 GMT -5
Oh in all fairness, Dolan also owns the Rangers who are doing a 100% legit rebuild and doing it well. FA’s never shy away from the Rangers. They embrace the opportunity frequently. For all we know the biggest fish in the NHL FA pool is about to be a Ranger. The difference I think is that Dolan stopped - for the most part - interfering with the running of the Rangers. I don't think he has the discipline to do that with the Knicks. Plus, he or someone, hired competent hockey people to run the Rangers. Again, not so with the Knicks.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 30, 2019 23:06:00 GMT -5
Knicks should go after Russell Yeah, Bill Russell. And even he can't save this mess.
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Post by fifthavephil on Jun 30, 2019 23:27:59 GMT -5
Knicks should go after 2Russell Warriors, will be signing D'Angelo Russell to a max deal. 4years 117 million. Knicks, sign Bobby Portis 2years 31 million. All three signings are Bigs. Still lacking outside shooting.
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Post by SG88 on Jul 1, 2019 0:40:05 GMT -5
Taj is good too. Can get you about 11 and 6 while playing good d in the paint Are he and Randall worth the 20+ Million they are paying these two guys. I know randall has solid #s of 20+ ppg Both players are worth what they got. Julius is a legitimate big that can average near a double double and Gibson is a solid player that can be a good leader and mentor for the younger Knicks. They struck out on the great players, but got some ok compensatory ones
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 1, 2019 6:08:20 GMT -5
I don't disagree with the Knick's position on Durant. Next year is a waste of max contract, and I don't remember an athlete coming back from a ruptured achillies, and getting back to where they were. The flow of events really put a stake in their plans for this offseason, starting with the rigged lottery. Anyway, they can't be worse than last year, can they?
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 1, 2019 7:00:23 GMT -5
Warriors, will be signing D'Angelo Russell to a max deal. 4years 117 million. Knicks, sign Bobby Portis 2years 31 million. All three signings are Bigs. Still lacking outside shooting. Also signed Bullock, good shooter from beyond the arc.
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Post by SG88 on Jul 1, 2019 11:58:24 GMT -5
I don't disagree with the Knick's position on Durant. Next year is a waste of max contract, and I don't remember an athlete coming back from a ruptured achillies, and getting back to where they were. The flow of events really put a stake in their plans for this offseason, starting with the rigged lottery. Anyway, they can't be worse than last year, can they? The New York Knicks have nowhere to go but up. As the resident nets fan here, I expect Knicks fans to throw a little shade at the nets free agent pick ups while looking at the bright side of missing out. Personally, I don't even hate the Knicks. I wish that they were relevant. However, the next generation of basketball fans in NY will be mostly nets fans. The Knicks have absolutely nothing to brag about or convince someone new to the game to root for.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 1, 2019 12:19:17 GMT -5
I don't disagree with the Knick's position on Durant. Next year is a waste of max contract, and I don't remember an athlete coming back from a ruptured achillies, and getting back to where they were. The flow of events really put a stake in their plans for this offseason, starting with the rigged lottery. Anyway, they can't be worse than last year, can they? The New York Knicks have nowhere to go but up. As the resident nets fan here, I expect Knicks fans to throw a little shade at the nets free agent pick ups while looking at the bright side of missing out. Personally, I don't even hate the Knicks. I wish that they were relevant. However, the next generation of basketball fans in NY will be mostly nets fans. The Knicks have absolutely nothing to brag about or convince someone new to the game to root for. Disagree, when your Dad is a Knicks fan so are you. 5 more in my house.
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Post by SG88 on Jul 1, 2019 12:58:13 GMT -5
The New York Knicks have nowhere to go but up. As the resident nets fan here, I expect Knicks fans to throw a little shade at the nets free agent pick ups while looking at the bright side of missing out. Personally, I don't even hate the Knicks. I wish that they were relevant. However, the next generation of basketball fans in NY will be mostly nets fans. The Knicks have absolutely nothing to brag about or convince someone new to the game to root for. Disagree, when your Dad is a Knicks fan so are you. 5 more in my house. That wasn't my case. I was raised in a Knicks, Mets, Bills, and Rangers household. I ended up being a fan of the Nets, Giants, Yankees, and Devils. I think that convincing a child to root for a losing organization dooms them. Especially one that has been as bad as the Knicks. Personally, I would rather see my children happy than mad.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 1, 2019 13:05:25 GMT -5
Disagree, when your Dad is a Knicks fan so are you. 5 more in my house. That wasn't my case. I was raised in a Knicks, Mets, Bills, and Rangers household. I ended up being a fan of the Nets, Giants, Yankees, and Devils. I think that convincing a child to root for a losing organization dooms them. Especially one that has been as bad as the Knicks. Personally, I would rather see my children happy than mad. Alright Benedict. My children enjoy sports, the lesson about life is loyalty. Did NY become the Mets city when they were good and the Yanks sucked in the 80’s? The New Jersey Nets will never be NY’s team. Just wait until you hear the way KD and Kyrie are booed at the Garden. I am not surprised by KD’s decision, he is the same guy that abandoned OKC to join a 73 win team.
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Post by SG88 on Jul 1, 2019 13:55:56 GMT -5
That wasn't my case. I was raised in a Knicks, Mets, Bills, and Rangers household. I ended up being a fan of the Nets, Giants, Yankees, and Devils. I think that convincing a child to root for a losing organization dooms them. Especially one that has been as bad as the Knicks. Personally, I would rather see my children happy than mad. Alright Benedict. My children enjoy sports, the lesson about life is loyalty. Did NY become the Mets city when they were good and the Yanks sucked in the 80’s? The New Jersey Nets will never be NY’s team. Just wait until you hear the way KD and Kyrie are booed at the Garden. I am not surprised by KD’s decision, he is the same guy that abandoned OKC to join a 73 win team. When Knicks fans are booing, that is a good thing to me. So KD was wrong for joining the Warriors and now is wrong for going to the Nets? I'm not saying that it is the Nets town as of yet. It will be in the future. Maybe 20 years down the line when a lot of these youngsters become their own men and women. My teams of choice were more in line with my uncle, who was a big part of my life. He passed away unfortunately, but he was a closer when it came to getting me to pull for his teams. I respect you teaching your children about loyalty. I just hope that you let them select their own teams to like. Independence and free will are also good things to teach. I mean no disrespect to you of course.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 1, 2019 14:54:12 GMT -5
Alright Benedict. My children enjoy sports, the lesson about life is loyalty. Did NY become the Mets city when they were good and the Yanks sucked in the 80’s? The New Jersey Nets will never be NY’s team. Just wait until you hear the way KD and Kyrie are booed at the Garden. I am not surprised by KD’s decision, he is the same guy that abandoned OKC to join a 73 win team. When Knicks fans are booing, that is a good thing to me. So KD was wrong for joining the Warriors and now is wrong for going to the Nets? I'm not saying that it is the Nets town as of yet. It will be in the future. Maybe 20 years down the line when a lot of these youngsters become their own men and women. My teams of choice were more in line with my uncle, who was a big part of my life. He passed away unfortunately, but he was a closer when it came to getting me to pull for his teams. I respect you teaching your children about loyalty. I just hope that you let them select their own teams to like. Independence and free will are also good things to teach. I mean no disrespect to you of course. Why didn’t the Jets become the favorite team here, they won a Super Bowl and were in the midst of 20 years of the Giants sucking ass? The answer is because institution is institution. Nets will never be NY’s main team.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 1, 2019 22:18:35 GMT -5
When Knicks fans are booing, that is a good thing to me. So KD was wrong for joining the Warriors and now is wrong for going to the Nets? I'm not saying that it is the Nets town as of yet. It will be in the future. Maybe 20 years down the line when a lot of these youngsters become their own men and women. My teams of choice were more in line with my uncle, who was a big part of my life. He passed away unfortunately, but he was a closer when it came to getting me to pull for his teams. I respect you teaching your children about loyalty. I just hope that you let them select their own teams to like. Independence and free will are also good things to teach. I mean no disrespect to you of course. Why didn’t the Jets become the favorite team here, they won a Super Bowl and were in the midst of 20 years of the Giants sucking ass? The answer is because institution is institution. Nets will never be NY’s main team. I agree. Nets wont ever out NY the Knicks. But they will be a better team for as long as James Dolan Dolanizes the Knicks. Wonder how they blow next years draft lotto.... I'm sure RJB already cant wait to leave.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 1, 2019 23:01:41 GMT -5
Why didn’t the Jets become the favorite team here, they won a Super Bowl and were in the midst of 20 years of the Giants sucking ass? The answer is because institution is institution. Nets will never be NY’s main team. I agree. Nets wont ever out NY the Knicks. But they will be a better team for as long as James Dolan Dolanizes the Knicks. Wonder how they blow next years draft lotto.... I'm sure RJB already cant wait to leave. The Knicks will have to win games to attract players simple. They better hope Barrett is the real deal. I have respect for Carmelo, it may not have been a successful overall stint but they were stellar for. couple seasons and Melo accepted a challenge that others clearly won’t.
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Post by SG88 on Jul 2, 2019 0:34:06 GMT -5
I agree. Nets wont ever out NY the Knicks. But they will be a better team for as long as James Dolan Dolanizes the Knicks. Wonder how they blow next years draft lotto.... I'm sure RJB already cant wait to leave. The Knicks will have to win games to attract players simple. They better hope Barrett is the real deal. I have respect for Carmelo, it may not have been a successful overall stint but they were stellar for. couple seasons and Melo accepted a challenge that others clearly won’t. I think that Amare Stoudemire was the first in this era to come to the Knicks and try to jumpstart the franchise. Unfortunately, he was not the same player after his injury because he depended primarily on his athleticism. If the Knicks can miraculously make the playoffs in the next two years, that will go a long way. The real question is does Jimmy have the discipline to stay out of the way and let the basketball people he hired do their jobs.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 2, 2019 5:03:11 GMT -5
I agree. Nets wont ever out NY the Knicks. But they will be a better team for as long as James Dolan Dolanizes the Knicks. Wonder how they blow next years draft lotto.... I'm sure RJB already cant wait to leave. The Knicks will have to win games to attract players simple. They better hope Barrett is the real deal. I have respect for Carmelo, it may not have been a successful overall stint but they were stellar for. couple seasons and Melo accepted a challenge that others clearly won’t. I don’t agree with that. These players want a stable and functional organization to play for. From the Carmelo situation to Porzingis, to Phil Jackson, Isiah Thomas, Charles Oakley, fans getting banned from the garden, Madison Garden employees following players around to see what they can and can’t say to the press. Who wants that? No player in there right mind wants to deal with that headache, and it all comes from up top with the owner. An owner who is in the discussion as the worst owner in professional sports. An owner who is so despised that the very fans of his team want him gone ASAP. The Knicks used to be a franchise players wanted to play for, now it’s a place they laugh among themselves and poke fun at. The Knicks will have to draft the right players and sign low level players in free agency. It’s clear super star players want nothing to do with the Knicks as long as Dolan is the owner of the team. And unfortunately the man will never sell the team.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 2, 2019 6:08:02 GMT -5
The Knicks will have to win games to attract players simple. They better hope Barrett is the real deal. I have respect for Carmelo, it may not have been a successful overall stint but they were stellar for. couple seasons and Melo accepted a challenge that others clearly won’t. I don’t agree with that. These players want a stable and functional organization to play for. From the Carmelo situation to Porzingis, to Phil Jackson, Isiah Thomas, Charles Oakley, fans getting banned from the garden, Madison Garden employees following players around to see what they can and can’t say to the press. Who wants that? No player in there right mind wants to deal with that headache, and it all comes from up top with the owner. An owner who is in the discussion as the worst owner in professional sports. An owner who is so despised that the very fans of his team want him gone ASAP. The Knicks used to be a franchise players wanted to play for, now it’s a place they laugh among themselves and poke fun at. The Knicks will have to draft the right players and sign low level players in free agency. It’s clear super star players want nothing to do with the Knicks as long as Dolan is the owner of the team. And unfortunately the man will never sell the team. Exactly. Just winning isnt going to be good enough. They had that run with Melo, Stat, JR and company, but it was short lived and still not many big FAs wanted to join forces. Starts from the owner down. He made a mockery of the team.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 2, 2019 6:09:47 GMT -5
The Knicks will have to win games to attract players simple. They better hope Barrett is the real deal. I have respect for Carmelo, it may not have been a successful overall stint but they were stellar for. couple seasons and Melo accepted a challenge that others clearly won’t. I don’t agree with that. These players want a stable and functional organization to play for. From the Carmelo situation to Porzingis, to Phil Jackson, Isiah Thomas, Charles Oakley, fans getting banned from the garden, Madison Garden employees following players around to see what they can and can’t say to the press. Who wants that? No player in there right mind wants to deal with that headache, and it all comes from up top with the owner. An owner who is in the discussion as the worst owner in professional sports. An owner who is so despised that the very fans of his team want him gone ASAP. The Knicks used to be a franchise players wanted to play for, now it’s a place they laugh among themselves and poke fun at. The Knicks will have to draft the right players and sign low level players in free agency. It’s clear super star players want nothing to do with the Knicks as long as Dolan is the owner of the team. And unfortunately the man will never sell the team. If you have a chance look up Michael Rappaport’s video rant against Dolan. Pretty raw, but pretty fun.
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Post by SG88 on Jul 2, 2019 12:11:14 GMT -5
The Knicks will have to win games to attract players simple. They better hope Barrett is the real deal. I have respect for Carmelo, it may not have been a successful overall stint but they were stellar for. couple seasons and Melo accepted a challenge that others clearly won’t. I don’t agree with that. These players want a stable and functional organization to play for. From the Carmelo situation to Porzingis, to Phil Jackson, Isiah Thomas, Charles Oakley, fans getting banned from the garden, Madison Garden employees following players around to see what they can and can’t say to the press. Who wants that? No player in there right mind wants to deal with that headache, and it all comes from up top with the owner. An owner who is in the discussion as the worst owner in professional sports. An owner who is so despised that the very fans of his team want him gone ASAP. The Knicks used to be a franchise players wanted to play for, now it’s a place they laugh among themselves and poke fun at. The Knicks will have to draft the right players and sign low level players in free agency. It’s clear super star players want nothing to do with the Knicks as long as Dolan is the owner of the team. And unfortunately the man will never sell the team. I think that all of you Knicks fans agree that the biggest problem with your squad is Jimmy Dolan. The absolute only way to get rid of this Dolan problem is to hit him where it hurts, which is in his bank account. He is an elite businessman and fully takes advantage of blind loyalty. IMO, Knicks fans are enablers because they keep selling out the arena and buying their gear. Why would he ever sell under those circumstances? Until then, Dolan is a drawback for anyone considering joining the franchise.
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Post by Dogecoin on Jul 4, 2019 9:15:18 GMT -5
Folks they tried to lay big bucks...they just made bad decision. Isiah Thomas was clueless and allowed to stay on too long while collecting gat checks. Carmello anthony was paid like a top 3 talent when he wasn't even top 15. Phil jackson, older version of Thomas...well past point his incompetence was clear, he hung around collecting fat checks.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 4, 2019 10:46:27 GMT -5
Folks they tried to lay big bucks...they just made bad decision. Isiah Thomas was clueless and allowed to stay on too long while collecting gat checks. Carmello anthony was paid like a top 3 talent when he wasn't even top 15. Phil jackson, older version of Thomas...well past point his incompetence was clear, he hung around collecting fat checks. As good coach as Phil was back in the day, he was equally bad as the Knicks GM. Screwed the team up really good, even given the train wreck he inherited. And then there's the triangle...
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 4, 2019 12:14:58 GMT -5
Folks they tried to lay big bucks...they just made bad decision. Isiah Thomas was clueless and allowed to stay on too long while collecting gat checks. Carmello anthony was paid like a top 3 talent when he wasn't even top 15. Phil jackson, older version of Thomas...well past point his incompetence was clear, he hung around collecting fat checks. As good coach as Phil was back in the day, he was equally bad as the Knicks GM. Screwed the team up really good, even given the train wreck he inherited. And then there's the triangle... He was a joke as a GM. Sitting home in Montana not scouting players and forcing the triangle on the players. He alienated Carmelo so much that it made other players in the league hate the Knicks. Phil Jackson knew got to coach super stars. But he was as clueless as it comes to building a team.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 4, 2019 20:23:37 GMT -5
Folks they tried to lay big bucks...they just made bad decision. Isiah Thomas was clueless and allowed to stay on too long while collecting gat checks. Carmello anthony was paid like a top 3 talent when he wasn't even top 15. Phil jackson, older version of Thomas...well past point his incompetence was clear, he hung around collecting fat checks. As good coach as Phil was back in the day, he was equally bad as the Knicks GM. Screwed the team up really good, even given the train wreck he inherited. And then there's the triangle... I actually thinks that’s garbage. Any lucky scmuck could have coached Jordan and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq to titles. Phil Jackson is the most overrated coach of all time.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 4, 2019 20:26:15 GMT -5
So tomorrow night at 930 Knicks and Pelicans are on ESPN. I will actually watch so I can get an early look at Barrett.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 5, 2019 5:14:28 GMT -5
As good coach as Phil was back in the day, he was equally bad as the Knicks GM. Screwed the team up really good, even given the train wreck he inherited. And then there's the triangle... I actually thinks that’s garbage. Any lucky scmuck could have coached Jordan and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq to titles. Phil Jackson is the most overrated coach of all time. I can accept that perspective
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 6, 2019 7:21:24 GMT -5
As good coach as Phil was back in the day, he was equally bad as the Knicks GM. Screwed the team up really good, even given the train wreck he inherited. And then there's the triangle... I actually thinks that’s garbage. Any lucky scmuck could have coached Jordan and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq to titles. Phil Jackson is the most overrated coach of all time. Name a good historic NBA coach who didnt have superstars on their teams.... Not only did the Bulls need a great coach but they also needed someone who could check all the egos in that Bulls locker room which PJ did. Jordan Pippen Rodman Kobe Shaq... Those are some seriously huge egos.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 6, 2019 8:08:56 GMT -5
I actually thinks that’s garbage. Any lucky scmuck could have coached Jordan and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq to titles. Phil Jackson is the most overrated coach of all time. Name a good historic NBA coach who didnt have superstars on their teams.... Not only did the Bulls need a great coach but they also needed someone who could check all the egos in that Bulls locker room which PJ did. Jordan Pippen Rodman Kobe Shaq... Those are some seriously huge egos. So Steve Kerr has been to 5 straight Finals, he must be one of the greatest coaches of all time.
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