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Post by GameTime on Apr 1, 2024 10:00:18 GMT -5
I suck at judging college QBs on what they will be in the NFL.
Out of the top 4 I'd pick Daniels.
Choosing between Odunze and McCarthy I would do with Odunze. He seems like a cant miss #1 WR.
The QB choice is always a gamble but you try to limit the stakes as much as possible. Schoen has a big decision to make. JJ will be there at 6. They could trade back to a few spots and he's still be there. Odunze will be gone at 7 or 8 if the NYGs dont take him at 6
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 1, 2024 10:33:22 GMT -5
I think he has a ton of potential thats what Dabol and Schoen get paid for is see his mental and physical trades and determine wether it translates to the NFL. problem is, that it is all potential, he was handcuffed by the system they ran, so we simply do not know. Lots of risk picking him up high in the draft (I think he will go top 6, but that doesn't mean I'd make the call, myself...) I agree their career will hang on his success or his lack of success if he is the pick i think Daniels is the same his game in some cases doesn't translate it can be said about all of them to some degree. Just think McCarthy has more of unknown to his game he has shown pieces of NFL caliber QB play js when he should have been given the ball to go win games they took out of his hands. OSU did the same with Stroud till the championship game when they had to take the shackles off and he gave everyone a glimpse of who he really was. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 1, 2024 10:35:49 GMT -5
I suck at judging college QBs on what they will be in the NFL. Out of the top 4 I'd pick Daniels. Choosing between Odunze and McCarthy I would do with Odunze. He seems like a cant miss #1 WR. The QB choice is always a gamble but you try to limit the stakes as much as possible. Schoen has a big decision to make. JJ will be there at 6. They could trade back to a few spots and he's still be there. Odunze will be gone at 7 or 8 if the NYGs dont take him at 6 GMs suck at picking QBs these days Packers seem good at it but it is more the plan they sit for not a year but 2 or 3 years and learn the game from the sideline and the setting room with practice reps 1000s of them. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 1, 2024 10:41:24 GMT -5
The second part is the part that matters if they draft him thats probably what they think that he can be like what Russel Wilson was Aguy who can create make plays off schedule and off different platforms. This'd is gonna be draft on projection if he is taken in the top 32 there is some evidence he can be that kind of player but not a steady diet of it. Willison had 3 3000-yard seasons Willison's last year in the NCAA ( third round pick......PICK 75) Year................School,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Conf ......Class .....Pos.... G..... Cmp.... Att... Pct... Yds....Y/A.... AY/A.... TD.. Int... Rate 2011,,,,,,,,,,,Wisconsin..........BigTen,,,,,,,,SR,,,,,,,,,QB....14.......225.....309..72.8 ..3175....10.3..11.8,,,,,,33.....4.....191.8 Now let's see McCarthy in 2023 2023......... Michigan...........Big Ten..........SR.........QB....15......240......332..72.3..2991....9.0....9.8......22......4.......167.4 The 3rd round pick was better. ( Let that sink in) Every time a member on the board compares McCarthy to so and so . It further emboldens my resolve on why you do not pick him at the top of the draft. Not a comparison it is the type of player they might project him as becoming with some development he is young and has shown in a small doses the traits that can win in the NFL. I am not pushing for him but if Daboll and Schoen like him and end up drafting him then I will root for him to develop into what they believe he can be he isn't gonna be drafted completely on his college tape there's gonna be a lot of projection involved. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 1, 2024 11:07:16 GMT -5
Willison had 3 3000-yard seasons Willison's last year in the NCAA ( third round pick......PICK 75) Year................School,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Conf ......Class .....Pos.... G..... Cmp.... Att... Pct... Yds....Y/A.... AY/A.... TD.. Int... Rate 2011,,,,,,,,,,,Wisconsin..........BigTen,,,,,,,,SR,,,,,,,,,QB....14.......225.....309..72.8 ..3175....10.3..11.8,,,,,,33.....4.....191.8 Now let's see McCarthy in 2023 2023......... Michigan...........Big Ten..........SR.........QB....15......240......332..72.3..2991....9.0....9.8......22......4.......167.4 The 3rd round pick was better. ( Let that sink in) Every time a member on the board compares McCarthy to so and so . It further emboldens my resolve on why you do not pick him at the top of the draft. Not a comparison it is the type of player they might project him as becoming with some development he is young and has shown in a small doses the traits that can win in the NFL.I am not pushing for him but if Daboll and Schoen like him and end up drafting him then I will root for him to develop into what they believe he can be he isn't gonna be drafted completely on his college tape there's gonna be a lot of projection involved. Yet the 3rd round pick hit the ground running on day one of his rookie Career. Again, hoping for development is not what you want at top of the draft. If they draft him and he is what is touted. (I do not think I am wrong. The NFL as a multitude of examples of over projecting outcome with using single digit draft picks,) As I said I do not think I am. I will be the first to be happy when it is proven I was wrong. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 1, 2024 12:29:07 GMT -5
Not a comparison it is the type of player they might project him as becoming with some development he is young and has shown in a small doses the traits that can win in the NFL.I am not pushing for him but if Daboll and Schoen like him and end up drafting him then I will root for him to develop into what they believe he can be he isn't gonna be drafted completely on his college tape there's gonna be a lot of projection involved. Yet the 3rd round pick hit the ground running on day one of his rookie Career. Again, hoping for development is not what you want at top of the draft. If they draft him and he is what is touted. (I do not think I am wrong. The NFL as a multitude of examples of over projecting outcome with using single digit draft picks,) As I said I do not think I am. I will be the first to be happy when it is proven I was wrong. Every year that one guy shoots up the draft board for no reason other than potential. They barely talk about the guy during the college season and then all sudden he is the high ceiling guy. Blake Bortles, Mitchell Trubisky, Daniel Jones, Will Levis. I could be wrong but this year it's JJ. Average to below average stats. Average athleticism. Average arm. Maybe have intangibles from limited tape. I know his PR did a great job getting his face out all through Prodays and after. I am hoping Schoen doesn't get fooled and actually has data to back up his decision if he does go this route. I simply don't see it with JJ , he is a developmental QB. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 1, 2024 12:31:50 GMT -5
Yet the 3rd round pick hit the ground running on day one of his rookie Career. Again, hoping for development is not what you want at top of the draft. If they draft him and he is what is touted. (I do not think I am wrong. The NFL as a multitude of examples of over projecting outcome with using single digit draft picks,) As I said I do not think I am. I will be the first to be happy when it is proven I was wrong. Every year that one guy shoots up the draft board for no reason other than potential. They barely talk about the guy during the college season and then all sudden he is the high ceiling guy. Blake Bortles, Mitchell Trubisky, Daniel Jones, Will Levis. I could be wrong but this year it's JJ. Average to below average stats. Average athleticism. Average arm. Maybe have intangibles from limited tape. I know his PR did a grwat Job getting his face out all through Prodays and after. I am hoping Schoen doesn't get fooled and actually has data to back up his decision if he does go this route. I simply don't see it with JJ , he is a developmental QB. The numbers are showing. He does not live up his prescribed draft indulgence. His stats are that of a late 2nd, 3rd Rd QB. I would be all for him at pick 70. He was 35th in passing yards in the NCAA. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 1, 2024 13:14:09 GMT -5
Not a comparison it is the type of player they might project him as becoming with some development he is young and has shown in a small doses the traits that can win in the NFL.I am not pushing for him but if Daboll and Schoen like him and end up drafting him then I will root for him to develop into what they believe he can be he isn't gonna be drafted completely on his college tape there's gonna be a lot of projection involved. Yet the 3rd round pick hit the ground running on day one of his rookie Career. Again, hoping for development is not what you want at top of the draft. If they draft him and he is what is touted. (I do not think I am wrong. The NFL as a multitude of examples of over projecting outcome with using single digit draft picks,) As I said I do not think I am. I will be the first to be happy when it is proven I was wrong. No one said your wrong Schoen watched Beane trade up twice for Josh Allen who was as raw and inaccurate as any player he improved through the process but was a big projection gamble. Jayden Daniels will be to because a lot of the scouts are saying he runs to run not create takes a lot of unnecessary contact and is inaccurate short to intermediate Every one of these guys there is going to be projection and probably 98% of QB prospects it's projection guys like Murray and Herbert have done little to nothing they all are projection because they haven't seen the NFL yet. all prospects there is a some to a lot of projection in that scouting report. |
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Post by 3days on Apr 1, 2024 13:52:59 GMT -5
I am frankly struggling to get excited about any of these QBs.
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Post by idkaname on Apr 1, 2024 14:21:54 GMT -5
I suck at judging college QBs on what they will be in the NFL. Out of the top 4 I'd pick Daniels. Choosing between Odunze and McCarthy I would do with Odunze. He seems like a cant miss #1 WR. The QB choice is always a gamble but you try to limit the stakes as much as possible. Schoen has a big decision to make. JJ will be there at 6. They could trade back to a few spots and he's still be there. Odunze will be gone at 7 or 8 if the NYGs dont take him at 6 well you are certainly correct if Daniels intrigues you the most |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 1, 2024 16:58:30 GMT -5
I suck at judging college QBs on what they will be in the NFL. Out of the top 4 I'd pick Daniels. Choosing between Odunze and McCarthy I would do with Odunze. He seems like a cant miss #1 WR. The QB choice is always a gamble but you try to limit the stakes as much as possible. Schoen has a big decision to make. JJ will be there at 6. They could trade back to a few spots and he's still be there. Odunze will be gone at 7 or 8 if the NYGs dont take him at 6 well you are certainly correct if Daniels intrigues you the most and there you go. The pro scout has spoken.....lol |
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 1, 2024 17:01:00 GMT -5
Hmmmm That can’t be, all he can do is hand the ball off. He only has backup potential right? JJ haters are quiet aren’t they. 😊 Read what Daniel Jeremiah wrote yesterday. This ain’t no smoke screen. GM’s around the league are very interested in JJ’s services and the Giants interest is considered to be genuine. We probably won’t land him but I LOVE how this is playing out. any of these QBs can be a bust, any of them. It’s seems you’re “hating” on anybody who doesnt share your opinion. Interviews and workouts in shorts are nice, but the proof is always in the pudding. Don’t be that guy lol. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 2, 2024 8:47:39 GMT -5
I am frankly struggling to get excited about any of these QBs. I like them but don't see letting a talent like Nabers or Odunze / Harrison go by for one of these guys that will be available to us I think all 3 WRs on the big board should be ahead of any QB not named Williams as far as grading them out. Think Harrison might be hurting himself some by doing nothing from what I have read it is tough dealing with him right now don't think he has an agent or agency not sure if thats correct, what I did read is dealing part might be true. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 2, 2024 9:03:03 GMT -5
well you are certainly correct if Daniels intrigues you the most and there you go. The pro scout has spoken.....lol LOL I have to say Scouts GMs and Coaches are all over these kids and are only right like 33% of time when picking high. I don't think it's that easy lol, especially for us who have never talked to or saw the medicals or have every snap of their college careers at our finger tips add they have GPS tracking of everything they do on the field. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 2, 2024 9:11:06 GMT -5
Every year that one guy shoots up the draft board for no reason other than potential. They barely talk about the guy during the college season and then all sudden he is the high ceiling guy. Blake Bortles, Mitchell Trubisky, Daniel Jones, Will Levis. I could be wrong but this year it's JJ. Average to below average stats. Average athleticism. Average arm. Maybe have intangibles from limited tape. I know his PR did a grwat Job getting his face out all through Prodays and after. I am hoping Schoen doesn't get fooled and actually has data to back up his decision if he does go this route. I simply don't see it with JJ , he is a developmental QB. The numbers are showing. He does not live up his prescribed draft indulgence. His stats are that of a late 2nd, 3rd Rd QB. I would be all for him at pick 70. He was 35th in passing yards in the NCAA. I agree with this teams are seeing DJ a hard working kid that is willing to do what ever is best for the team then they some wow throws and some some mobility and off platform throws and start say can he be that all the time. Wether people like it or not Jones was the #2 QB in his class it takes a lot to be a top 10 QB physical and mental I'm not sold on any of them but I don't think any team is ever completely sold. |
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