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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 18, 2024 16:15:06 GMT -5
Hard to say in a vacuum ... so much depends on how the draft unfolds I’ve said it so much it’s probably annoying. It would be unusual for all 4 top QBs and all 3 top WRs to be considered either/or picks at 6. There could be players available at 6 that we don’t want to spend the pick on. We could also get a call from more than 1 desperate team bidding against each other for the pick. You can’t know what you’re doing until you see the board at 6. Seems like a painfully obvious point, but if I had a nickle for every “we’ll take a QB or WR at 6” post I’ve read, as if who’s available doesn’t matter at all, I’d have around $10. Depends on what they are willing to give up if the Denver trade is fact and it was offered to the Giants that would work Sustain with Banks there 1 this year and next and a 2 would top it off. 1hole filled with a proven top dog corner premium position to boot still on his rookie deal and 3 premium picks hell yes |
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Post by Aris on Apr 18, 2024 16:16:56 GMT -5
In the best OT class in recent memory, with a trade back and extra picks coming our way....with the only solid position being LT and some average short term contract FA "bodies", 2 and 1 year outs.... and thus far 2 fails at RT and center....we would pass on some guaranteed push and pull on the LOS? What better way to make Daniel Jones, or somebody better.... more effective and get us to the superbowl next year than having him healthy and upright...now able to see all those open receivers. I would have to hope we are at least considering immediate impact guys like Taliese Fuaga, Troy Fautanu, Jackson Powers-Johnson or Graham Barton as well as the deep wide receiver talent that will be there well into the 3rd round.  I agree completely. In a trade back say we get a #2 and say a late 3rd or early 4th, whatever... Yes grab an OT. We still need a true swing to replace Phillips. Elumunor is not here for the long term... And who knows what Neal's future is? But I actually think the bigger immediate need is at Guard. I'm thinking in our current draft makeup but a trade back changes the thinking. All those guys I put in there can do guard …and all plug and play, and the ability of 3 of them to do tackle as well. All 10 pick to 32 ….so yeah, we are in agreement if we do a trade back …get more LOS on the offense |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 18, 2024 16:19:35 GMT -5
That'd be great. If they're relegated to the secondary QB market, trading down would be ideal. You get your QB, still get a good WR. With an extra second, they could go defense the rest of the way and address all their remaining needs. DT, S, CB, ILB. This would be amazing, I'll believe it when I see it. IMO we got to go all offense. We got to put what ever QB we have this coming season or in the foreseeable future in the best possible position. In order to change the same outcomes that we have had over the past decade. Disclaimer: Should go without saying but this does not mean bypassing superior talent just to draft offensive players. This is based off grades being similar. Most of our remaining needs are defense. Lot's of holes there. For better or worse, the starting offense is mostly in place, outside of Waller's decision. Where do you see the needs? Outside of WR/QB obviously, which I think we address early. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Apr 18, 2024 17:47:33 GMT -5
Surtain, is he still on a rookie contract ?
Or,
is he due for a new Big contract.
Can the Giants fit him in under the cap ?
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Post by Nite on Apr 18, 2024 18:04:16 GMT -5
Well... If this scenario includes a pretzel and a bag of donuts then I'm in.... What no Pepsi? This years its Dr Pepper, Red |
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Post by Merlin on Apr 18, 2024 19:19:31 GMT -5
IMO we got to go all offense. We got to put what ever QB we have this coming season or in the foreseeable future in the best possible position. In order to change the same outcomes that we have had over the past decade. Disclaimer: Should go without saying but this does not mean bypassing superior talent just to draft offensive players. This is based off grades being similar. Most of our remaining needs are defense. Lot's of holes there. For better or worse, the starting offense is mostly in place, outside of Waller's decision. Where do you see the needs? Outside of WR/QB obviously, which I think we address early. We currently only have 1 proven reliable offensive weapon on the roster in Slayton. That's terrible. We are projecting what we hope Wan'dale, Hyatt, Bellinger, Hodgins can be. Slayton and Singletary should be solid players, but also haven't proven to be game changers. The Oline is still a question mark. Can't count on Waller even if he doesn't retire. Based on his production the last 3 years, age, mentals, durability. Everything we have is banking on a best case scenario. We already traded a premium 2nd round pick for Edge. Discussing the ability to trade down a pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder generating 4 picks in the top 3 rounds again. Combination of 2 WRs, RB, QB, OL depth. With those 4 picks would all work. Say they kept the current picks went back to back WRs in the first and 2nd. Then RB in the 3rd. Having a lineup of for arguments sake. Nabers, Slayton, Wan'dale, Hyatt, Legette, Hodgins. With Singletary & Benson at RB. That would have 4 of your WRs locked in on rookie scale contracts.Allowing the team to be flexible with Slayton & Hodgins who will be FAs thus allocating the salary to other needs. The quality of competition and cream will rise to the top. As well as depth. Backfield with Singletary & 3rd round RB would be pretty stable as well if the RB was quality. Way better situation for your QB to come in to. Once you have your QB you feel comfortable with after putting him in this favorable situation. Then start to gravitate towards the defensive side after the keepers are all established offensively. |
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Post by mendy on Apr 18, 2024 19:21:16 GMT -5
This years its Dr Pepper, Red Never heard of Red Dr. Pepper? |
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Post by giants8493 on Apr 18, 2024 19:22:42 GMT -5
Now I think they will trade back they need more picks
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Post by McCherry on Apr 18, 2024 19:47:45 GMT -5
Most of our remaining needs are defense. Lot's of holes there. For better or worse, the starting offense is mostly in place, outside of Waller's decision. Where do you see the needs? Outside of WR/QB obviously, which I think we address early. We currently only have 1 proven reliable offensive weapon on the roster in Slayton. That's terrible. We are projecting what we hope Wan'dale, Hyatt, Bellinger, Hodgins can be. Slayton and Singletary should be solid players, but also haven't proven to be game changers. The Oline is still a question mark. Can't count on Waller even if he doesn't retire. Based on his production the last 3 years, age, mentals, durability. Everything we have is banking on a best case scenario. We already traded a premium 2nd round pick for Edge. Discussing the ability to trade down a pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder generating 4 picks in the top 3 rounds again. Combination of 2 WRs, RB, QB, OL depth. With those 4 picks would all work. Say they kept the current picks went back to back WRs in the first and 2nd. Then RB in the 3rd. Having a lineup of for arguments sake. Nabers, Slayton, Wan'dale, Hyatt, Legette, Hodgins. With Singletary & Benson at RB. That would have 4 of your WRs locked in on rookie scale contracts.Allowing the team to be flexible with Slayton & Hodgins who will be FAs thus allocating the salary to other needs. The quality of competition and cream will rise to the top. As well as depth. Backfield with Singletary & 3rd round RB would be pretty stable as well if the RB was quality. Way better situation for your QB to come in to. Once you have your QB you feel comfortable with after putting him in this favorable situation. Then start to gravitate towards the defensive side after the keepers are all established offensively. I agree, but I did say outside of WR and QB, if we address those early. We're be looking mostly for depth on offense, we need starters at several positions on defense. If we trade down and get extra picks, that's another story. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 18, 2024 20:52:49 GMT -5
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Post by Nite on Apr 18, 2024 23:43:08 GMT -5
This years its Dr Pepper, Red Never heard of Red Dr. Pepper? New flavor coming out codename: REDRUM Red |
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Post by TEM on Apr 19, 2024 6:05:58 GMT -5
If I were the GM .
I would say this. "If you are not prepared to sell the farm. I suggest you start plowing the fields" Then hang up the phone.
At minimum I want for 6
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Post by TEM on Apr 19, 2024 6:25:10 GMT -5
I don't see Surtain is a good trade deal for the Giants. He is in the last year of his contract, and he is going to want 20+ a year. He is a cap albatross, I would rather have picks than him. He is a good player. It would take half If not more of our cap space in 2025 to sign. His cap hit would destroy any repair to the O-line long term. The money would be gone. The stats say have a good rotative secondary. Not 2 great ones and a bunch I hope so. Your secondary is expensive by nature of it .(must roster at least 10) You must limit the amount of I hope so-s you have behind the LBs. That must be built within the top 50-75 draft picks . You get good young players on the cheap. We have invested in a lot of draft capital on young DBs. We are getting there.( the way to build a secondary) Me, I am excited to see what a healthy Aaron Robinson can do. And Hawkins in his 2nd year. Would not touch that deal with a 10 foot pole. One thing about the secondary. The QB can pick his bitch. Most fans and talking heads fail to see that fact. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 19, 2024 6:31:00 GMT -5
I don't see Surtain is a good trade deal for the Giants. He is in the last year of his contract, and he is going to want 20+ a year. He is a cap albatross, I would rather have picks than him. He is a good player It would take half If not more of our cap space in 2025 to sign. He cap hit would destroy any repair to the O-line long term. The money would be gone. The stats say have a good rotative secondary. Not 2 great ones and a bunch I hope so. Your secondary is expensive by nature of it .(must roster at least 10) You must limit the amount of I hope so-s you have behind the LBs. That must be built within the top 50-75 draft picks . You get good young players on the cheap. We have invested in a lot of draft capital on young DBs. We are getting there.( the way to build a secondary) Me, I am excited to see what a healthy Aaron Robinson can do. And Hawkins in his 2nd year. Would not touch that deal with a 10 foot pole. One thing about the secondary. The QB can pick his bitch. Most fans and talking heads fail to see that fact. well in that regard to Surtain no I wouldn't want to either............ |
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Post by mendy on Apr 19, 2024 6:40:10 GMT -5
I don't see Surtain is a good trade deal for the Giants. He is in the last year of his contract, and he is going to want 20+ a year. He is a cap albatross, I would rather have picks than him. He is a good player It would take half If not more of our cap space in 2025 to sign. His cap hit would destroy any repair to the O-line long term. The money would be gone. The stats say have a good rotative secondary. Not 2 great ones and a bunch I hope so. Your secondary is expensive by nature of it .(must roster at least 10) You must limit the amount of I hope so-s you have behind the LBs. That must be built within the top 50-75 draft picks . You get good young players on the cheap. We have invested in a lot of draft capital on young DBs. We are getting there.( the way to build a secondary) Me, I am excited to see what a healthy Aaron Robinson can do. And Hawkins in his 2nd year. Would not touch that deal with a 10 foot pole. One thing about the secondary. The QB can pick his bitch. Most fans and talking heads fail to see that fact. I agree with you on Surtain, IMO I would ask for more picks |
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 19, 2024 7:07:06 GMT -5
If I were the GM . I would say this. "If you are not prepared to sell the farm. I suggest you start plowing the fields" Then hang up the phone. At minimum I want for 6 their: 2024 1st 2024 3rd 2024 5th 2025 1st 2025 3rd This kind of pick haul is where I’m at, but you’d need a QB on the board to get it. That’s not a Alt/Nabers haul. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 19, 2024 7:18:39 GMT -5
I don't see Surtain is a good trade deal for the Giants. He is in the last year of his contract, and he is going to want 20+ a year. He is a cap albatross, I would rather have picks than him. He is a good player. It would take half If not more of our cap space in 2025 to sign. His cap hit would destroy any repair to the O-line long term. The money would be gone. The stats say have a good rotative secondary. Not 2 great ones and a bunch I hope so. Your secondary is expensive by nature of it .(must roster at least 10) You must limit the amount of I hope so-s you have behind the LBs. That must be built within the top 50-75 draft picks . You get good young players on the cheap. We have invested in a lot of draft capital on young DBs. We are getting there.( the way to build a secondary) Me, I am excited to see what a healthy Aaron Robinson can do. And Hawkins in his 2nd year. Would not touch that deal with a 10 foot pole. One thing about the secondary. The QB can pick his bitch. Most fans and talking heads fail to see that fact. We don't have to pay him. We could use him as a 1 year rental. He would get us a high comp pick if he walks. I wonder if we can trade him again during the draft too? |
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Post by TEM on Apr 19, 2024 7:18:55 GMT -5
If I were the GM . I would say this. "If you are not prepared to sell the farm. I suggest you start plowing the fields" Then hang up the phone. At minimum I want for 6 their: 2024 1st 2024 3rd 2024 5th 2025 1st 2025 3rd This kind of pick haul is where I’m at, but you’d need a QB on the board to get it. That’s not a Alt/Nabers haul. Any GM that moves up 6 positions for a good OT or WR. Is an idiot. Neither one of them are unicorns. IMO the only thing close Unicorn in this draft is MHJ. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 19, 2024 7:34:17 GMT -5
If I were the GM . I would say this. "If you are not prepared to sell the farm. I suggest you start plowing the fields" Then hang up the phone. At minimum I want for 6 their: 2024 1st 2024 3rd 2024 5th 2025 1st 2025 3rd DG was waiting for this type of haul with all those QBs in 2018 too. These younger guys seems not to value draft picks like the older generation. Sean Mcvay build teams trading away top lottery tickets. BBdidnt value first rounders either. I guess if a team or coach thinks they are only one or two players away they will take the risk. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 19, 2024 7:37:47 GMT -5
If I were the GM . I would say this. "If you are not prepared to sell the farm. I suggest you start plowing the fields" Then hang up the phone. At minimum I want for 6 their: 2024 1st 2024 3rd 2024 5th 2025 1st 2025 3rd but you have no idea who or what slot is making the offer. seems those with more picks are either in front of the Giants or way back. Some assumed candidates to trade with are missing picks. looking at the board, I wonder if Atlanta might want to jump Tennessee if the right OT is there (Alt) |
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Post by wtfjjk on Apr 19, 2024 7:53:48 GMT -5
Hard to say in a vacuum ... so much depends on how the draft unfolds True. We could have had Parsons. How many of us still favor that trade down. |
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Post by wtfjjk on Apr 19, 2024 7:59:42 GMT -5
Ok this one I'll put on my poker face and play it cool but do whatever it takes to make it work. |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 19, 2024 8:03:16 GMT -5
Hard to say in a vacuum ... so much depends on how the draft unfolds True. We could have had Parsons. How many of us still favor that trade down. hindsight but I hear you |
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Post by TEM on Apr 19, 2024 8:12:06 GMT -5
If I were the GM . I would say this. "If you are not prepared to sell the farm. I suggest you start plowing the fields" Then hang up the phone. At minimum I want for 6 their: 2024 1st 2024 3rd 2024 5th 2025 1st 2025 3rd but you have no idea who or what slot is making the offer. seems those with more picks are either in front of the Giants or way back. Some assumed candidates to trade with are missing picks. looking at the board, I wonder if Atlanta might want to jump Tennessee if the right OT is there (Alt) QB are expensive. That is the minimum I would take. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 19, 2024 8:15:04 GMT -5
True. We could have had Parsons. How many of us still favor that trade down. hindsight but I hear you being the Bears were a mess it wasn’t a bad trade. What made it a miserable trade is idiot Gettleman drafted yet another player that wouldn’t play. Toney and Baker were two #1 picks that never contributed anything and were gone quickly. |
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Post by Merlin on Apr 19, 2024 8:45:38 GMT -5
We currently only have 1 proven reliable offensive weapon on the roster in Slayton. That's terrible. We are projecting what we hope Wan'dale, Hyatt, Bellinger, Hodgins can be. Slayton and Singletary should be solid players, but also haven't proven to be game changers. The Oline is still a question mark. Can't count on Waller even if he doesn't retire. Based on his production the last 3 years, age, mentals, durability. Everything we have is banking on a best case scenario. We already traded a premium 2nd round pick for Edge. Discussing the ability to trade down a pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder generating 4 picks in the top 3 rounds again. Combination of 2 WRs, RB, QB, OL depth. With those 4 picks would all work. Say they kept the current picks went back to back WRs in the first and 2nd. Then RB in the 3rd. Having a lineup of for arguments sake. Nabers, Slayton, Wan'dale, Hyatt, Legette, Hodgins. With Singletary & Benson at RB. That would have 4 of your WRs locked in on rookie scale contracts.Allowing the team to be flexible with Slayton & Hodgins who will be FAs thus allocating the salary to other needs. The quality of competition and cream will rise to the top. As well as depth. Backfield with Singletary & 3rd round RB would be pretty stable as well if the RB was quality. Way better situation for your QB to come in to. Once you have your QB you feel comfortable with after putting him in this favorable situation. Then start to gravitate towards the defensive side after the keepers are all established offensively. I agree, but I did say outside of WR and QB, if we address those early. We're be looking mostly for depth on offense, we need starters at several positions on defense. If we trade down and get extra picks, that's another story. I'm saying we should overload the talent on the offensive side of the ball. With the goal of setting up any QB that is under center or added in the best possible situation for success. Even at the sacrifice of defense at this moment. To answer you question though, outside of QB & WR we need upgrade in quality/depth at RB, OL & possibly TE. Behind Singletary at RB is Gary Brightwell & Eric Gray on the depth chart. Bellinger like almost every thing else on offense isn't a sure thing at TE either. Generate quality competition and depth where studs establish themselves. Creating this foundation for the QB is the most valuable for the franchise. Landing a starting CB can happen down the line. Can't keep operating like every pick is going to pan out. Need to ensure a offensive foundation for the QB by overloading. IMO |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 19, 2024 8:47:15 GMT -5
Apparently Ranaan is now wiretapping in order to get a story.
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Post by southerner on Apr 21, 2024 10:45:27 GMT -5
Jordan Raanan: The #Giants have received a lot of calls about moving back in the draft, per GM Joe Schoen. He has found it somewhat surprising the amount of interest there has been in pick 6. Depending on the return I’d trade down. Love to wait on this till draft day to see what’s there at 6.h I wouldn’t accept this as true, since it came from Schoen. Lots of lying and smokescreens this close to the draft. I hope it’s true because I would love see the Giants trade back and maybe get Minnesota’s two first round picks plus a third or fourth round pick. The Giants STILL need a lot of different positions. |
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Post by Jomo on Apr 21, 2024 13:17:09 GMT -5
Jordan Raanan: The #Giants have received a lot of calls about moving back in the draft, per GM Joe Schoen. He has found it somewhat surprising the amount of interest there has been in pick 6. Depending on the return I’d trade down. Love to wait on this till draft day to see what’s there at 6.h We should not start with the assumption that this is true and even if it is true I suspect that every year, teams are reaching out to one another to find out what they may be able to STEAL. I think the most likely scenario is that he's received the usual number of calls and knows he will be quoted about an elevated level of interest. He's trying to drum up interest which is his job. I wouldn't mind moving down but it has to be for the right package otherwise take the best WR available. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 21, 2024 13:19:00 GMT -5
The thing about the whole thing and for yall saying move up to draft a qb here's my take I just thought of. For what they payed Jones ( and even though they have an out), they want him to be the guy and they want to see if he still can be especially after paying him. We saw 2022 and we saw 2023. A lot of factors came into play with his overall performance ( not excusing himself at all, but.....) and so I know our entire regime knows and still want to see what the guy can do without a shit show O line and the beating. We all want to see so there WILL BE NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!
Can we fix the O line and make significant progress toward rebuilding it THIS SEASON for what we have done thus far in FA and what we may do in the draft? We are in position to also give him for the first time a true no. 1 WR so if those 2 things come together then he really will have no more excuses at all. I'm very very curious to see those 2 things come together so we can decide rather our out for 2024 will need to be had..........
So with the regime wanting to see those things transpire I believe Schoen and Dabs have a green light to not have to move up to get a qb and if one's of their focus and their at 6 or either there in the 2nd or a move back up into the late 1st to get him or up in the 2nd to do so, then we do that. If not I think they know if they take the WR at 6 and continue to bolster the line, then 2025 will be looking much much better for Lock for another year or 2 till we draft that qb or let the guy we potentially take at 6 or up back up later in the 1st or early 2nd to get.
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