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Post by nyg2 on Apr 23, 2024 10:37:48 GMT -5
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 23, 2024 10:47:21 GMT -5
hoping the Giants can grab him in Round 2
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Post by Analyst on Apr 23, 2024 10:49:07 GMT -5
Stop.
I will immediately create the "Fire Joe Schoen" thread like I did in 2018 for Dave Gettleman.
Maye is the most unexciting, inconsistent QB of the bunch. Might as well just keep rolling with Daniel Jones.
This better be smoke, but I will say, the word started creeping out about Jones around this time when he was drafted.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 23, 2024 10:51:42 GMT -5
Stop. I will immediately create the "Fire Joe Schoen" thread like I did in 2018 for Dave Gettleman. Maye is the most unexciting, inconsistent QB of the bunch. Might as well just keep rolling with Daniel Jones.Ā This is a lazy take. Let's see some nuance. The only thing Daniel Jones and Maye have in similarities is that they're big tall and white.
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Post by TEM on Apr 23, 2024 10:59:35 GMT -5
If we move up 2 to 4 spots in the 1st. We sould take Sam Hartman. I want to see A make a fire Fire Joe Schoen thread.
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Post by dream8 on Apr 23, 2024 11:01:04 GMT -5
Stop. I will immediately create the "Fire Joe Schoen" thread like I did in 2018 for Dave Gettleman. Maye is the most unexciting, inconsistent QB of the bunch. Might as well just keep rolling with Daniel Jones. This better be smoke, but I will say, the word started creeping out about Jones around this time when he was drafted. What? Maye is lightyears better than Jones was as a prospect. Not comparable. He easily has the 2nd highest ceiling in the class behind Williams. Top end arm talent and athleticism with a skillset that matches Daboll's system
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Post by Analyst on Apr 23, 2024 11:07:57 GMT -5
Stop. I will immediately create the "Fire Joe Schoen" thread like I did in 2018 for Dave Gettleman. Maye is the most unexciting, inconsistent QB of the bunch. Might as well just keep rolling with Daniel Jones. This is a lazy take. Let's see some nuance. The only thing Daniel Jones and Maye have in similarities is that they're big tall and white. Lazy my ass. I didnt compare the 2 by the way. I just said we might as well roll with DJ instead and go get a WR. I did a ton of researching on all the QBs. And I'm not claiming it to be a guarantee, analyzing QBs is a very tough challenge, but Drake Maye is not him. He was incredibly inaccurate under pressure. He looked terrible at times. He is one of those QBs that needs it all to be perfect around him to put up good stats. He regressed a lot from 2022 to 2023. In a way, he reminds me of Sam Darnolds regression when he was at USC. He has a strong arm (not as strong as Daniels or McCarthy), but has poor footwork which leads to many inaccurate passes. In fact his whole throwing motion is whacky. His pocket throwing is panicky. Lot of ground burners and overthrows. Or misfires on crossing routes too far behind or in front. After the 2022 season I was impressed and wanted to watch more in 2023. I did. Not impressed at all. Hard pass. Especially moving up for him.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 23, 2024 11:08:45 GMT -5
hoping the Giants can grab him in Round 2 Letās hope he drops to the sixth round and ends up the next Tom Brady.
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Post by Analyst on Apr 23, 2024 11:12:06 GMT -5
Stop. I will immediately create the "Fire Joe Schoen" thread like I did in 2018 for Dave Gettleman. Maye is the most unexciting, inconsistent QB of the bunch. Might as well just keep rolling with Daniel Jones. This better be smoke, but I will say, the word started creeping out about Jones around this time when he was drafted. What? Maye is lightyears better than Jones was as a prospect. Not comparable. He easily has the 2nd highest ceiling in the class behind Williams. Top end arm talent and athleticism with a skillset that matches Daboll's system Sure. So was Sam Darnold. It means nothing. The one thing I will say about Maye is that he didnt have much to work with at UNC. Then again, people were saying that for DJ at Duke too. Dont look at that 2022 season. Look at the 2023 season. It wasnt great. Athleticism? Certainly not a strength of his. He isnt the type of QB who can juke a defender to miss a sack. Im just not impressed with any of these QBs enough to move up and give up draft picks to get them.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 23, 2024 11:12:39 GMT -5
If the Giants trade up for Drake Maye I'll trust their decision until it proves itself one way or another. I do fear Maye could not only be a DJ but a Mack Jones as well who is worse than DJ. Apparently so does N.E. They have signaled that N.E. is open for business. From the 6th pick to the 3rd pick is within reach without giving up the farm.
NE. still gets a top stud player at #6 and they might not want to pick as far back as #11 from #3 even for a handful of top picks. Dropping those 8 picks they miss an awful lot of real good players.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 23, 2024 11:13:34 GMT -5
Stop. I will immediately create the "Fire Joe Schoen" thread like I did in 2018 for Dave Gettleman. Maye is the most unexciting, inconsistent QB of the bunch. Might as well just keep rolling with Daniel Jones. This better be smoke, but I will say, the word started creeping out about Jones around this time when he was drafted. He has work to do yes with his feet his arm talent is top2 I would not be upset with a modest trade up of him or McCarthy. This team is in no position to trade away a ton of capital they have to many holes and no way to fix it if they loose to much draft capital.
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 23, 2024 11:20:41 GMT -5
Strange...I just heard the exact opposite from The Athletic in today's podcast. Dianna Russini says after talking to a few people within the NYG the Giants ownership is denying a trade up for a QB since they just committed to Daniel Jones. "Schoen has to figure out a way to win with Daniel Jones...they want a build...they want to get more...if there is any team that could possibly trade down it's the Giants.." (Athletic Podcast). She called trading up for QB was a tough sell to ownership.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 23, 2024 11:21:31 GMT -5
hoping the Giants can grab him in Round 2 Letās hope he drops to the sixth round and ends up the next Tom Brady. Well I think 1 of those things are possible.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 23, 2024 11:27:52 GMT -5
If we move up 2 to 4 spots in the 1st. We sould take Sam Hartman. I want to see A make a fire Fire Joe Schoen thread. Would be a dream come true to draft Hartman. Will look as old as Ryan Fitzpatrick in two years while being 33% as accurate when passing the ball.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 23, 2024 11:27:56 GMT -5
When you have a player in your sights.. You pull the trigger and the hell with the casualties. And spare me the bullshit about draft capital. Earth to the feeble.. We have less than nothing at the helm.. Those picks are not going to cover up the Grand Canyon of a hole we have at quarterback. Coaches live and breathe for today.. because tomorrow isnāt promised. If Daboll and Schoen want to see the end of their contracts, they will move mountains and drain oceans to get there.
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 23, 2024 11:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 23, 2024 11:29:50 GMT -5
I think the front office just leaks random stuff out to the media that sounds believable to make sure nobody knows what they will do.
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Post by Modog on Apr 23, 2024 11:30:29 GMT -5
I will trust JS and Daboll decision if they decide to move to 3 to grab Drake Maye. Swap 1sts this year and add next year's first. If Maye works out, that price will be an afterthought.
Giants 1st round picks have been hit and miss anyway
2019 Dan Jones-- Miss 2019 Dex --- Hit 2019 Baker --- Miss 2020 Thomas -- Hit 2021 Toney --- Miss 2022 Kayvon --- Hit, I guess 2022 Neal --- Miss 2023 Banks --- Hit
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Post by vinnie on Apr 23, 2024 11:33:26 GMT -5
Stop. I will immediately create the "Fire Joe Schoen" thread like I did in 2018 for Dave Gettleman. Maye is the most unexciting, inconsistent QB of the bunch. Might as well just keep rolling with Daniel Jones. This is a lazy take. Let's see some nuance. The only thing Daniel Jones and Maye have in similarities is that they're big tall and white. Iām with Analyst on this, not impressed with Maye at all and quite a few scouts and analysts see similarities between Maye and Jones. Iām sure a lot of you have already seen this but take a look at what they have to say about Maye. I almost feel like Iām reading scouting reports for DJ. www.bigblueview.com/2024/4/23/24137830/quarterback-scouting-reports-what-nfl-draft-analysts-scouts-are-saying
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 23, 2024 11:34:22 GMT -5
I think the front office just leaks random stuff out to the media that sounds believable to make sure nobody knows what they will do. Based on the last decade the Giants donāt need leaks to convince everbody they donāt know what theyāre doing.
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 23, 2024 11:37:39 GMT -5
Good teams don't have this conversation. They plug in a 2nd round, 5th, round 7th, a so called bust in Alex Smith, and continue to win.
We have debates surrounding trading up for a QB with high-school level mechanics because of potential upside. The Jets are known for drafting QBs in the to 10 every few years and continue to lose but they aren't even that reckless.
Count me out. Would rather roll with Lock if needed.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 23, 2024 11:37:41 GMT -5
Iām still pumped up about those wins over NE and Washington, we wouldnāt be having this awesome conversation if we had lost those games. In the grand scheme of things, losing draft picks means nothing compared to regular season wins after the season is already lost
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Post by te88 on Apr 23, 2024 11:42:38 GMT -5
If the Giants trade up for a QB, it will be Jayden Daniels. They will not trade up for any other.
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Post by hadenough on Apr 23, 2024 11:48:46 GMT -5
Oh noā¦disaster and the NYG scouting departmentā¦they go hand in hand.
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Post by Analyst on Apr 23, 2024 11:49:40 GMT -5
Strange...I just heard the exact opposite from The Athletic in today's podcast. Dianna Russini says after talking to a few people within the NYG the Giants ownership is denying a trade up for a QB since they just committed to Daniel Jones. "Schoen has to figure out a way to win with Daniel Jones...they want a build...they want to get more...if there is any team that could possibly trade down it's the Giants.." (Athletic Podcast). She called trading up for QB was a tough sell to ownership. If they need to sell trading up to ownership it doesnt matter. Even if its not something I personally believe we should do, if Mara needs to be sold to make a move JS wants to make, we should just forfeit the pick.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 23, 2024 11:52:05 GMT -5
Iām still pumped up about those wins over NE and Washington, we wouldnāt be having this awesome conversation if we had lost those games. In the grand scheme of things, losing draft picks means nothing compared to regular season wins after the season is already lost Nothing builds confidence in a locker room and sets the tone over an off-season when a the clock reads 0:00 rather than reading āmercyā following games with both 14 and 18 punts.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 23, 2024 11:58:38 GMT -5
This is a lazy take. Let's see some nuance. The only thing Daniel Jones and Maye have in similarities is that they're big tall and white. Lazy my ass. I didnt compare the 2 by the way. I just said we might as well roll with DJ instead and go get a WR. I did a ton of researching on all the QBs. And I'm not claiming it to be a guarantee, analyzing QBs is a very tough challenge, but Drake Maye is not him. He was incredibly inaccurate under pressure. He looked terrible at times. He is one of those QBs that needs it all to be perfect around him to put up good stats. He regressed a lot from 2022 to 2023. In a way, he reminds me of Sam Darnolds regression when he was at USC. He has a strong arm (not as strong as Daniels or McCarthy), but has poor footwork which leads to many inaccurate passes. In fact his whole throwing motion is whacky. His pocket throwing is panicky. Lot of ground burners and overthrows. Or misfires on crossing routes too far behind or in front. After the 2022 season I was impressed and wanted to watch more in 2023. I did. Not impressed at all. Hard pass. Especially moving up for him. Haha wait, So Daniels and Mccarthy have bigger arms? which games did you watch to get this assessment? I've never seen a fan base more clueless about QBs than the Giants fan base. Specifically, In terms of Arm Strength: 1. Maye 2. JJ 3. Daniel Jones 4. Jayden Daniels Instead of trying to get hot takes. Try watching... maybe even 1 tape per prospect. You clearly haven't. You can watch one game of Maye's versus the rest that he's got a much stronger arm, only JJ comes close. Daniels has such little drive i find it hard to believe you've watched a second of tape, so why are you so intense? If you hate Maye as a prospect, you also hated Josh Allen.
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Post by mendy on Apr 23, 2024 11:58:59 GMT -5
If we move up 2 to 4 spots in the 1st. We sould take Sam Hartman. I want to see A make a fire Fire Joe Schoen thread. He'll do it no matter what.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 23, 2024 12:00:45 GMT -5
Strange...I just heard the exact opposite from The Athletic in today's podcast. Dianna Russini says after talking to a few people within the NYG the Giants ownership is denying a trade up for a QB since they just committed to Daniel Jones. "Schoen has to figure out a way to win with Daniel Jones...they want a build...they want to get more...if there is any team that could possibly trade down it's the Giants.." (Athletic Podcast). She called trading up for QB was a tough sell to ownership. Mara is on record saying he would be fine with it.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 23, 2024 12:02:32 GMT -5
Yeah i think most people dont have a clue when it comes to QBs i still remember folks here saying that JJ was a second round pick back just a couple of months ago. Why? someone told them so. Fact is, most people are just stealing opinions. I've read some wild stuff on these boards about these prospects, im open to fair criticism. But these are just hot takes.
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