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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 16:44:42 GMT -5
The Eagles have one of the best OLs in football and they won the SB. With a back up QB. They had a lot of help from their young franchise quarterback, but...point taken. No doubt they did. But in the end that OL was unreal in front of Foles et al. And that's with them losing their franchise LT (who happens to be one of the best in the NFL)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 17:08:32 GMT -5
They had a lot of help from their young franchise quarterback, but...point taken. No doubt they did. But in the end that OL was unreal in front of Foles et al. And that's with them losing their franchise LT (who happens to be one of the best in the NFL) Yeah, that was the amazing part. When Peters went down a lot of people just assumed the Eagles would as well. But good teams find ways to win despite injuries.
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Post by Speedman on Jun 6, 2018 17:13:58 GMT -5
How would you have liked them to do it? I know you asked saracasman but I'll chime (whether you like it or not ) I'm of the philosophy that you build in the trenches first. Given the disastrous state of our OL for the past few years I would have liked to have traded back (easier said than done, I know) and spent the first two picks on OL. Then would have gone DL with one of the acquired picks as well. I also wanted them to trade back, but they didn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 17:15:44 GMT -5
GMs aren't looking 5 years ahead and wondering who the LT will be. They are looking to improve every year. They aren't caught up with this "build for the future" or "we're trying to contend in 3-5 years." So, how do you explain Belichick's philosophy of releasing guys 1-2 years before their inevitable downward slide? I mean...if you were only focused on next year, then wouldn't you keep them until the downward slide actually started? Bill Belichick understands that releasing guys that are near-done frees up salary for guys that will help his team down the road. Probably why he has five rings. Just sayin'. i guess you love plagues? BB philosophy is more in line with my logic than the OP’s. OP wants to tear the whole thing down and start from scratch. But of course you had to reply to me for the sake of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 17:37:32 GMT -5
So, how do you explain Belichick's philosophy of releasing guys 1-2 years before their inevitable downward slide? I mean...if you were only focused on next year, then wouldn't you keep them until the downward slide actually started? Bill Belichick understands that releasing guys that are near-done frees up salary for guys that will help his team down the road. Probably why he has five rings. Just sayin'. i guess you love plagues? BB philosophy is more in line with my logic than the OP’s. OP wants to tear the whole thing down and start from scratch. But of course you had to reply to me for the sake of it. How do you figure that your logic is more in line with BB's philosophy? Because you want it to? And, btw...I love the truth more than I hate plagues. That's why I feel compelled to respond to your posts
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 17:47:06 GMT -5
OP wants to tear the whole thing down and start from scratch. Um what? Care to provide facts, links, both... anything to support that strawman argument?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 18:39:03 GMT -5
OP wants to tear the whole thing down and start from scratch. Um what? Care to provide facts, links, both... anything to support that strawman argument? new QB, minimum 2 year rebuild what exactly does that entail other than a rebuild? You want a link to an espn article or something?
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Post by DonnieYen on Jun 6, 2018 19:23:25 GMT -5
Well we also got Patrick Omameh and In the Draft we got Hernandez and A few promising Undrafted Free Agents Offensive Linemen. Were also moving Flowers to Right Guard he was horrible at Left Guard so the thinking Is he will do much better at Right Guard. Hopefully our offensive line will be much improved. I assume you mean Flowers to RT. Which is still TBD as to whether or not that position is upgraded. That said, don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning whether or not our OL got better in one off season. It's a no brainer that it did. I'm just specifically looking at the Solder signing and its impact beyond 2019. yea that's what I meant.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 20:20:10 GMT -5
Um what? Care to provide facts, links, both... anything to support that strawman argument? new QB, minimum 2 year rebuild what exactly does that entail other than a rebuild? You want a link to an espn article or something? I honestly have no idea what you're even talking about. My entire post is predicated upon the fact that we'll be looking for a new starting LT in 2020. And you equate that to " OP wants to tear the whole thing down and start from scratch." I mean...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 20:38:07 GMT -5
I assume you mean Flowers to RT. Which is still TBD as to whether or not that position is upgraded. That said, don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning whether or not our OL got better in one off season. It's a no brainer that it did. I'm just specifically looking at the Solder signing and its impact beyond 2019. yea that's what I meant. And DonnieYen... Don't let @bronxpinstripes get away with this...
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Post by EliQB10 on Jun 6, 2018 20:42:33 GMT -5
Nate is a very good LT, but even more important a good mentor. His work with Flowers after practice is a plus. If we do draft a replacement, I hope he gets to mentor him. +1
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Post by EliQB10 on Jun 6, 2018 20:44:25 GMT -5
The problem with this signing is that it is a two year fix. We don't need a two year fix unless you are under the impression that we have a two year window to compete for a SB. I am not under that impression. I'm in the camp of we are in a two year rebuild, and if done right we can be competing with the best of them. What are you talking about? Saquon Barkley's going to run for 2,000 yards and we're going to the Super Bowl, baby! From your lips to the football gods ears!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 21:02:08 GMT -5
new QB, minimum 2 year rebuild what exactly does that entail other than a rebuild? You want a link to an espn article or something? I honestly have no idea what you're even talking about. My entire post is predicated upon the fact that we'll be looking for a new starting LT in 2020. And you equate that to " OP wants to tear the whole thing down and start from scratch." I mean... what should they have done at LT?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 21:12:40 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea what you're even talking about. My entire post is predicated upon the fact that we'll be looking for a new starting LT in 2020. And you equate that to " OP wants to tear the whole thing down and start from scratch." I mean... what should they have done at LT? How in god's name does that deflective question flow into this discussion? Do you really equate my stance on (more than likely) needing to find another LT in 2020 to "I want to tear the whole thing down and start over from scratch?" Simple question. Oh and before you go moving the goal posts again... to answer your question (see how this works?) here's a sentence from my first post: " I like the Solder signing, I do. We needed it."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 22:31:38 GMT -5
And DonnieYen ... Don't let @bronxpinstripes get away with this... I've already told Donnie Yen that if he's going to be in the DFW Metroplex any time in the near future to PM me. I'm a man of my word. Btw...I sure wish Donnie's prediction had come true
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 5:47:48 GMT -5
what should they have done at LT? How in god's name does that deflective question flow into this discussion? Do you really equate my stance on (more than likely) needing to find another LT in 2020 to "I want to tear the whole thing down and start over from scratch?" Simple question. Oh and before you go moving the goal posts again... to answer your question (see how this works?) here's a sentence from my first post: " I like the Solder signing, I do. We needed it." so you like the signing but you’re complaining about it because he’ll fill a need for only 2 seasons (your estimation). That would be a concern if Reese was still GM since he loves hanging onto washed up offensive linemen. But since we have a GM who isn’t afraid to let go of dead weight, I’m not too concerned. Especially since it’s a concern of yours 2 years from now and anything can happen between then and afterwards.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 7, 2018 7:29:20 GMT -5
I don't get why anyone thinks he won't play 4 years here. His contract isn't back loaded really. It's a good signing and will carry over into the next QB.
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Post by Speedman on Jun 7, 2018 7:37:15 GMT -5
I don't get why anyone thinks he won't play 4 years here. His contract isn't back loaded really. It's a good signing and will carry over into the next QB. I agree. You couldn’t put a new QB behind a line that looked anything like last years.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 7, 2018 7:39:55 GMT -5
I don't get why anyone thinks he won't play 4 years here. His contract isn't back loaded really. It's a good signing and will carry over into the next QB. I agree. You couldn’t put a new QB behind a line that looked anything like last years. Well it does look like we will return three starters from last year. Of course with Flowers moving to RT.
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Post by Speedman on Jun 7, 2018 7:47:33 GMT -5
I agree. You couldn’t put a new QB behind a line that looked anything like last years. Well it does look like we will return three starters from last year. Of course with Flowers moving to RT. Not all as starters, which is a good thing. The only one I liked from last year was Jones and if Halapio can beat him out it’s even better.
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 7, 2018 7:48:18 GMT -5
I agree. You couldn’t put a new QB behind a line that looked anything like last years. Well it does look like we will return three starters from last year. Of course with Flowers moving to RT. The ability to run the ball reliably in key situations, have a dangerous check down from that position, and create big plays, will take a lot of the pressure off Manning. The focus on TE schemes will help, too. The improvements will not just be purely O-line blocking ability. At least this is what it seems to be shaping up as.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 8:31:25 GMT -5
How in god's name does that deflective question flow into this discussion? Do you really equate my stance on (more than likely) needing to find another LT in 2020 to "I want to tear the whole thing down and start over from scratch?" Simple question. Oh and before you go moving the goal posts again... to answer your question (see how this works?) here's a sentence from my first post: " I like the Solder signing, I do. We needed it." so you like the signing but you’re complaining about it because he’ll fill a need for only 2 seasons (your estimation). That would be a concern if Reese was still GM since he loves hanging onto washed up offensive linemen. But since we have a GM who isn’t afraid to let go of dead weight, I’m not too concerned. Especially since it’s a concern of yours 2 years from now and anything can happen between then and afterwards. Yes they aren’t mutually exclusive. You know that right? I can like the signing and still be aware that in two years we’ll be looking for another starting LT. And since you’ve avoided my question three times now I’ll just assume you were being hyperbolic and introducing a straw man argument when you inexplicably formulated that I “want to tear the whole thing down and start over from scratch.” For the sake of rationality and maturity that we hope to encourage on this forum, please refrain from doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 8:34:12 GMT -5
I don't get why anyone thinks he won't play 4 years here. His contract isn't back loaded really. It's a good signing and will carry over into the next QB. Injuries, wear and tear, and age are all factors that lead me to believe he really only has a couple of years left. Combine it with the contract structure and it seems obvious to me that the FO sees it the same way. If he’s playing in the third and fourth years of the current contract then we will be carrying an unnecessary anchor of a cap hit.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jun 7, 2018 8:54:12 GMT -5
I don't get why anyone thinks he won't play 4 years here. His contract isn't back loaded really. It's a good signing and will carry over into the next QB. I agree. You couldn’t put a new QB behind a line that looked anything like last years. nor a seasoned veteran for that matter!!
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Post by Merc on Jun 7, 2018 9:27:48 GMT -5
And DonnieYen ... Don't let @bronxpinstripes get away with this... I've already told Donnie Yen that if he's going to be in the DFW Metroplex any time in the near future to PM me. I'm a man of my word. Btw...I sure wish Donnie's prediction had come true I know you wanted a QB, however I am not sure Darnold will work out in the NFL. Here is a quote on the first Jets OTA I previously posted. Sam Darnold played poorly in his first OTA practice. He looked overwhelmed in the pocket at times. He had trouble communicating with his receivers. He completed only 2-of-10 passes and took two sacks. (No one actually touched him, the pressure just got to him before he threw the ball.) Darnold tossed a couple of interceptions in 7-on-7 drills. And there was another botched snap.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 11:53:48 GMT -5
I've already told Donnie Yen that if he's going to be in the DFW Metroplex any time in the near future to PM me. I'm a man of my word. Btw...I sure wish Donnie's prediction had come true I know you wanted a QB, however I am not sure Darnold will work out in the NFL. Here is a quote on the first Jets OTA I previously posted. Sam Darnold played poorly in his first OTA practice. He looked overwhelmed in the pocket at times. He had trouble communicating with his receivers. He completed only 2-of-10 passes and took two sacks. (No one actually touched him, the pressure just got to him before he threw the ball.) Darnold tossed a couple of interceptions in 7-on-7 drills. And there was another botched snap. That's why I preferred this guy... www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/buffalo-bills-news-josh-allen-rookie-qb-battle-depth-chart-aj-mccarron-nathan-peterman-chris-simms-tredavious-white/1ovzb0253j4j1gjyksso713wa
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 12:45:55 GMT -5
so you like the signing but you’re complaining about it because he’ll fill a need for only 2 seasons (your estimation). That would be a concern if Reese was still GM since he loves hanging onto washed up offensive linemen. But since we have a GM who isn’t afraid to let go of dead weight, I’m not too concerned. Especially since it’s a concern of yours 2 years from now and anything can happen between then and afterwards. Yes they aren’t mutually exclusive. You know that right? I can like the signing and still be aware that in two years we’ll be looking for another starting LT. And since you’ve avoided my question three times now I’ll just assume you were being hyperbolic and introducing a straw man argument when you inexplicably formulated that I “want to tear the whole thing down and start over from scratch.” For the sake of rationality and maturity that we hope to encourage on this forum, please refrain from doing that. I take your "I like Solder a lot" comment with a grain of salt considering how you proceeded spend the rest of the post bashing the signing. Adding a disclaimer like that is like saying "I like Taco Bell ALOT" but...I hate their tacos, nachos, burritos etc.
And if this is a 2+ year rebuild why do you like the signing? If anything you should be going bananas like others did when he was signed.
And you still haven't given one alternative other than a 26/27 year old guy. I'm sure they grow on trees. Or lets just experiment with one instead of signing one who is a known commodity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 13:51:24 GMT -5
Yes they aren’t mutually exclusive. You know that right? I can like the signing and still be aware that in two years we’ll be looking for another starting LT. And since you’ve avoided my question three times now I’ll just assume you were being hyperbolic and introducing a straw man argument when you inexplicably formulated that I “want to tear the whole thing down and start over from scratch.” For the sake of rationality and maturity that we hope to encourage on this forum, please refrain from doing that. I take your "I like Solder a lot" comment with a grain of salt considering how you proceeded spend the rest of the post bashing the signing. Why does such a simple concept escape you? You realize liking the signing and realizing he's only a two year solution aren't mutually exclusive, right? False. Please point out where I said I hate Nate Solder or anything about his game. And while you're at it, point out where I said I want to tear the whole thing down and start over from scratch.Because going into the 2018 season with either Ereck Flowers, Bisnoty or Wheeler at LT was a death sentence for the season. Again, the simple concept of that statement escapes you. I merely presented a philosophy. Not saying there was a concrete example. And since we're on the topic of "never given an example" do you mind: Please point out where I said I hate Nate Solder or anything about his game. And while you're at it, point out where I said I want to tear the whole thing down and start over from scratch.Thanks.
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Post by Merc on Jun 7, 2018 13:57:14 GMT -5
Of the 1st round QBs, I thought he would be the best choice as he has a strong arm and decent size, however with his injury history and accuracy problems, he was a bit risky. Every OTA film I have seen on him does not show him in a team situation (7 on 7 or 11 on 11). It may just be highlight hype. Here is a link to his injury history: sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/josh-allen/9962
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 14:14:07 GMT -5
I take your "I like Solder a lot" comment with a grain of salt considering how you proceeded spend the rest of the post bashing the signing. Why does such a simple concept escape you? You realize liking the signing and realizing he's only a two year solution aren't mutually exclusive, right? False. Please point out where I said I hate Nate Solder or anything about his game. And while you're at it, point out where I said I want to tear the whole thing down and start over from scratch.Because going into the 2018 season with either Ereck Flowers, Bisnoty or Wheeler at LT was a death sentence for the season. Again, the simple concept of that statement escapes you. I merely presented a philosophy. Not saying there was a concrete example. And since we're on the topic of "never given an example" do you mind: Please point out where I said I hate Nate Solder or anything about his game. And while you're at it, point out where I said I want to tear the whole thing down and start over from scratch.Thanks. Last reply to you since you're not getting it. I never said you hate Nate Solder. You said you had a problem with the signing because it's only a 2 year fix. We should have gone with someone younger and yes Flowers at LT is a DEATH SENTENCE. He single handedly lost us any chance of having a productive offensive line the last 2 years. Plugging anyone isn't the solution. That's Reese's logic. Saying you want to just plug guys in and not spend on established players via FA, also drafting a QB at 2 is pretty much tearing the thing down. You don't have to SAY THOSE EXACT WORDS to mean it. I hope you get it now, thanks.
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