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Post by nygiantsontherise on Oct 28, 2018 6:44:46 GMT -5
Non-contest in terms of NFL style. Jones is the Wentz of this draft and he’s getting NFL style coaching. If Lauletta does not look the part I take Jones. My next QB comes down to if Lauletta shows enough in his starts. If he dies he’s the guy, if he doesn’t take Jones in Round 1.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 28, 2018 7:25:11 GMT -5
Aren’t you the dude that proposed trading Barkley to the Browns?
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Post by nygiantsontherise on Oct 28, 2018 9:10:57 GMT -5
Aren’t you the dude that proposed trading Barkley to the Browns? No? Browns wouldn’t do that, they drafted a RB high.
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Post by TEM on Oct 28, 2018 9:21:52 GMT -5
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Post by nygiantsontherise on Oct 28, 2018 9:33:39 GMT -5
I didn’t realize Browns took a RB so high. They’ll use their Round 1 on OT or another corner.
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Post by TEM on Oct 28, 2018 9:39:34 GMT -5
I didn’t realize Browns took a RB so high. They’ll use their Round 1 on OT or another corner. I still do not see the validity of giving up the second pick in the draft after 7 games for a later round pick . Not only that. The browns would have gotten picks 1,2,4 in this past draft. I don't see the logic in that narrative. Even of the our #2 was not a RB to give up on the pick after 7 games is IMO asinine. Can you explain how it is not?
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Post by EliQB10 on Nov 4, 2018 14:37:18 GMT -5
I like Jones...
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 4, 2018 14:39:31 GMT -5
*snickers* This poster is the gift that keeps on giving no matter what incarnation he posts under.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 17:00:15 GMT -5
I really wish you could quit me. LMFAO Oh and also post proof of your drivel.
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Post by Nite on Nov 4, 2018 19:41:43 GMT -5
I'm not sold on Jones. There are so many other Qbs that will be available in 2019 and 2020 that are better
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Post by TEM on Nov 5, 2018 7:43:01 GMT -5
I really wish you could quit me. LMFAO Oh and also post proof of your drivel. I don't have to. I already have . I think it is funny I get you just like to debate for the sake of argument. . Even if you do not stand by the points you use to argue with. I can have some respect if you would hold to you stance. We both know you won't, because you do not believe what you write. Now I know you do not want me to start quoting your complete reversal of what you say again. I will gladly do it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 11:44:27 GMT -5
I really wish you could quit me. LMFAO Oh and also post proof of your drivel. I don't have to. I already have . I think it is funny I get you just like to debate for the sake of argument. . Even if you do not stand by the points you use to argue with. I can have some respect if you would hold to you stance. We both know you won't, because you do not believe what you write. Now I know you do not want me to start quoting your complete reversal of what you say again. I will gladly do it Dude - much of your life consists around arguing on this message board. With the same people. Day in and day out. This is your well known reputation within this community. And if I'm being honest, it literally accomplishes nothing. You are still literally trying to argue that an extra $13M+ in cap savings has no benefit to a team. It's an idiotic position to take. Yet here you are. And what you do is you beat it to death and argue it to death until the person you are targeting finally gives up. Then of course you claim "victory" on the internet. btw - in a thread about Daniel Jones and Justin Herbert, with you posting with another poster... you bring me into the discussion. So which is it? Obsessed or triggered?
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Post by Kase1 on Nov 5, 2018 17:36:28 GMT -5
I dunno only QB i would POSSIBLY want would be Herbert or Lock, and honestly neither of them really WOW me. Herbert is probably the only 1st round caliber qb out there, and he may even go back to school and declare for the 2020 draft. If thats the case, i dont want a qb til at least the 3rd round, if we HAVE to draft one
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Post by TEM on Nov 7, 2018 7:54:06 GMT -5
I don't have to. I already have . I think it is funny I get you just like to debate for the sake of argument. . Even if you do not stand by the points you use to argue with. I can have some respect if you would hold to you stance. We both know you won't, because you do not believe what you write. Now I know you do not want me to start quoting your complete reversal of what you say again. I will gladly do it Dude - much of your life consists around arguing on this message board. With the same people. Day in and day out. This is your well known reputation within this community. And if I'm being honest, it literally accomplishes nothing. You are still literally trying to argue that an extra $13M+ in cap savings has no benefit to a team. It's an idiotic position to take. Yet here you are. And what you do is you beat it to death and argue it to death until the person you are targeting finally gives up. Then of course you claim "victory" on the internet. btw - in a thread about Daniel Jones and Justin Herbert, with you posting with another poster... you bring me into the discussion. So which is it? Obsessed or triggered? Love you humor
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 7, 2018 8:27:13 GMT -5
I dunno only QB i would POSSIBLY want would be Herbert or Lock, and honestly neither of them really WOW me. Herbert is probably the only 1st round caliber qb out there, and he may even go back to school and declare for the 2020 draft. If thats the case, i dont want a qb til at least the 3rd round, if we HAVE to draft one I don’t like Lock at all ... poor man’s Josh Allen. Will Grier please
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Post by cruzsoldier on Nov 7, 2018 8:32:30 GMT -5
Non-contest in terms of NFL style. Jones is the Wentz of this draft and he’s getting NFL style coaching. If Lauletta does not look the part I take Jones. My next QB comes down to if Lauletta shows enough in his starts. If he dies he’s the guy, if he doesn’t take Jones in Round 1. The last Duke QB we drafted was Dave Brown....I wouldn’t reach for a guy who might be a back up at best. I only like 2 QB’s and that’s Will Grier and Herbert.
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Post by Kase1 on Nov 7, 2018 17:59:40 GMT -5
I dunno only QB i would POSSIBLY want would be Herbert or Lock, and honestly neither of them really WOW me. Herbert is probably the only 1st round caliber qb out there, and he may even go back to school and declare for the 2020 draft. If thats the case, i dont want a qb til at least the 3rd round, if we HAVE to draft one I don’t like Lock at all ... poor man’s Josh Allen. Will Grier please I want to like grier, but im just SO skeptical of a WVU qb
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Post by giantfromtheoz on Nov 9, 2018 21:53:45 GMT -5
I actually have to agree now. Just did some film watch in my spare time. I was pretty familiar with Herbert but not as much with Jones.
Herbert is impressive but the way he stare down receivers, he will get picked off all day.
Jones to me looks pro-ready. A tidy up on the footwork and who knows.
Athletically they're similar. Size wise they're similar, Jones is leaner and might need to put on a bit.
Its VISION. It's a hard thing to teach and improve and the way Jones throws with anticipation and touch is good to see. Thats hard to teach. Herbert has those tools but not the eyes to see it.
Arm strength is similar but Herbert throws with a bit more velocity. But Wentz had a wobble in his pass aswell coming in, espcially on the run.
Is better velocity teachable? I'm no expert on it
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Nov 10, 2018 14:13:32 GMT -5
Watching Jones right now he really does play like Wentz and is playing well.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 10, 2018 14:33:54 GMT -5
I actually have to agree now. Just did some film watch in my spare time. I was pretty familiar with Herbert but not as much with Jones. Herbert is impressive but the way he stare down receivers, he will get picked off all day. Jones to me looks pro-ready. A tidy up on the footwork and who knows. Athletically they're similar. Size wise they're similar, Jones is leaner and might need to put on a bit. Its VISION. It's a hard thing to teach and improve and the way Jones throws with anticipation and touch is good to see. Thats hard to teach. Herbert has those tools but not the eyes to see it. Arm strength is similar but Herbert throws with a bit more velocity. But Wentz had a wobble in his pass aswell coming in, espcially on the run. Is better velocity teachable? I'm no expert on it We have had a qb with a wobble the past 15 years as well(Montana always had a wobble)to me if your accurate and can read an defense the wobble thing is a little overrated
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 10, 2018 14:39:27 GMT -5
Jones has passed Herbert for me as well after checking out this game. Cutcliff runs a hybrid NFL system very similar to the Erheart/Perkins system (which because this system has so many concepts it draws from,the Corryell/WCO timing style,the Gilbride run and shoot option routes,a QB playing in this system has an advantage going to virtually any other style because most of the things are in this,which is why Eli was able to grasp the Gilbride concepts )so Shurmer if we take him could easily build a system around what he does best and mold it to what he wants as well. Consider me intrigued at this point.
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Post by fifthavephil on Nov 10, 2018 15:05:15 GMT -5
Jones has 178 yards rushing at the end of the 3rd quarter vs North Carolina.
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Post by giantfromtheoz on Nov 10, 2018 17:08:12 GMT -5
Our GM attended the wrong game. I hope he hasen't made up his mind yet.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 10, 2018 20:43:08 GMT -5
Meanwhile Fromm resembling a really good pro qb on and off the field tonight(seeing him on the sideline trying to help the GA oline figure out what's going wrong in the red zone,already major leadership qualities)
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Nov 11, 2018 6:09:58 GMT -5
Herbert > Jones
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Post by u2good on Nov 12, 2018 15:54:50 GMT -5
I would put this into the "I'll go against the grain, and if I'm wrong, I'll forget I ever mentioned it. If I'm right I'll come back here to gloat" folder.
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Post by Nite on Nov 13, 2018 21:17:03 GMT -5
I'm watching Duke-North Carolina game and I am not impressed by Jones. Misses a lot of his throws, especially deep. Throws the medium passes inaccurately. On a couple of the throws he is lucky that the defender didn't pick 6. Would be in the NFL....Plus Carolina's defense sucks lets see how he does against semi-pro teams like Clemson or Alabama. Picks up a lot of yardage on chunk plays..The running is nice but all that will do is shorten his career.
Keep looking Gettlemen..
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Post by Blue Hulk on Nov 17, 2018 11:31:33 GMT -5
Dukes Oline is TRASH. I give him credit for staying upright. Their right side is worse than ours. I was watching the vid for Jones but I kept wondering how he's getting pressured by only 3 lineman. I was forced to watch the RT and RG imitate the NY Giants.
He'd fit in well here
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 17, 2018 14:24:10 GMT -5
Jones vs the Clemson d tonight can be telling Also tbe whole world gets to see Doug Flutie 2.0(Milton) and UCF in prime time (I he were 4 inches taller we would probably be saying Herbert who?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 21:36:39 GMT -5
Clemson is giving us a preview of the what’s gonna happen if we draft Jones and the o line isn’t fixed.
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