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Post by SG88 on Oct 28, 2018 20:37:30 GMT -5
It depends. Are you talking about drafting another QB that isn't on your list or not drafting a QB at all. I ask because I am part of the small minority that either likes Lauletta, believes that none of these QBs are worth drafting high, and/or prefer getting a pass rusher in the draft that high instead. I guess you can vote for "Other", then add your player or move (ie: dropping down in draft order) in a post Ok thanks. I was just asking. I was not trying to be a jerk at all.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 28, 2018 20:43:02 GMT -5
I like Fromm....but TUA is #1 in that class It's still a year and a half away, but right now I'm good with either. Bama QBs always scare me though because they literally have NFL talent all around that at all times. Tua is nothing like any of the recent era of Bama qbs(we forget Nameth and Stabler came from Bama amongst others) He has what looks to be elite skill sets. We get a great look at what he is next week vs that LSU defense next week.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Oct 28, 2018 20:43:13 GMT -5
I guess you can vote for "Other", then add your player or move (ie: dropping down in draft order) in a post Ok thanks. I was just asking. I was not trying to be a jerk at all. No prob..
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 29, 2018 0:35:47 GMT -5
Other, EO - Ed Oliver Then,we will have OV -Olivea Vernon AO - Alec Ogletree Seriously, it looks like Oliver is a game changer
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 0:57:41 GMT -5
Here's a thought: How about if they actually give Lauletta a chance to play this year and show if he's the man or if we have to go looking for a new quarterback? Not like, you know, sitting him all season the way they did with Webb. Most of us sane fans were saying the same thing this time last year. Yet it didn't happen. I can't imagine Eli gets benched for Lauletta because of all the hurt feelings that would ensue. Could you imagine if Gettleman/Murmur benched Eli and put in Tanney? I'd laugh my ass off as I shit in my Giants cap and mailed it to Mara.
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Post by giantfromtheoz on Oct 29, 2018 1:44:27 GMT -5
I'm super intrigued right now with Daniel Jones. Just seems like a real pro, classy QB.
Is it just me or does Dwayne Haskins throw a beautiful ball? Like he can really make all the throws. Just putting that as an option out there - I'm more of a Herbert/Jones guy though because of their athletic ability and smarts.
Lock had me believing but he's got a heck of a long way to go.
Grier is good.
Finley is solid. Not a franchise guy but the Jags could sure use a Ryan Finely right now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 5:23:09 GMT -5
If the Giants thought there wasn’t a franchise QB in last years draft there sure as hell isnt one this year. The situation has changed. Coming into the 2018 draft Gettleman and co believed Eli had years left in the tank. They decided to make changes to the OL, add a stud RB, and make tweaks to the D. They obviously felt 2016 was a true reflection of this team and not 2017, and with that in minf they went into "win now" mode. So even though last year's class featured a QB to draft to be Eli's successor, it was not realistic for us to draft someone that high if they are going to sit for the majority if not all of their rookie contract. You can get away with a season, maybe two if your existing QB is playing lights out and is an expiring contract, but realistically QBs take that high play pretty soon into their careers if not from day one. Maybe the 2019 class is weaker and not the right one to select a QB, but it is becoming clear we need to draft Eli's successor. So whereas last draft the belief was that Eli has years left, that belief has arguably gone and will be replaced by a desire to move on. That change makes evaluating QB prospects more important than last year, and it arguably makes the need and likelihood of us selecting one greater than last year even if it is not a typical Gettleman pick (ie a reach not BPA).
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 29, 2018 9:36:11 GMT -5
If the Giants thought there wasn’t a franchise QB in last years draft there sure as hell isnt one this year. The situation has changed. Coming into the 2018 draft Gettleman and co believed Eli had years left in the tank. They decided to make changes to the OL, add a stud RB, and make tweaks to the D. They obviously felt 2016 was a true reflection of this team and not 2017, and with that in minf they went into "win now" mode. So even though last year's class featured a QB to draft to be Eli's successor, it was not realistic for us to draft someone that high if they are going to sit for the majority if not all of their rookie contract. You can get away with a season, maybe two if your existing QB is playing lights out and is an expiring contract, but realistically QBs take that high play pretty soon into their careers if not from day one. Maybe the 2019 class is weaker and not the right one to select a QB, but it is becoming clear we need to draft Eli's successor. So whereas last draft the belief was that Eli has years left, that belief has arguably gone and will be replaced by a desire to move on. That change makes evaluating QB prospects more important than last year, and it arguably makes the need and likelihood of us selecting one greater than last year even if it is not a typical Gettleman pick (ie a reach not BPA). No you still don't reach for a qb if you dont think there is a guy that is a legit franchise qb,especially with this class and the prospect of a fully loaded QB class coming out in 2020. This class is bad,hell,Lauletta to me has just as much an chance of being a franchise qb than these guys,let him have all of 2019 and build up the lines next year. If he sucks we have an easy path to Tua,Fromm,Eason,ect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 9:39:18 GMT -5
If the QB class is really that bad you don't want to draft the next Bortles. Trade the pick to someone and acquire more chips to potentially trade up in 2020 when better QB come out.
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Post by chino420 on Oct 29, 2018 10:58:24 GMT -5
I don't understand why people say Herbert is the guy to get. I watched some Oregon games and the guy doesn't look like anything special. He has this weird and long throwing motion that telegraphs his target. Put him agains an NFL pass rush and they'll be licking their chops for strip sacks
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Post by nygiantsontherise on Oct 29, 2018 11:02:28 GMT -5
Why is Dukes backup QB in this poll?
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Post by nyg2 on Oct 29, 2018 11:38:52 GMT -5
Honestly, if Herbert decides to go back for his senior year then I don't think we should draft a QB with the first overall pick because i'm not really high on the rest of the QB's. We only have 1/5th of our Oline built (I am talking about Hernandez) and if we can't pickup anybody through free agency then I think there is a argument to be made for trading back and taking Little from Ole Miss.
Also, don't know if you guys heard, but the Browns have just fired Hue Jackson.
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 29, 2018 12:50:56 GMT -5
If herbert doesnt declare for the draft then im TOTALLY on board with not drafting a qb and building around the few bright spots on our team. Greedy Williams, Jonah Williams, Bosa, Oliver, or Devin White are all viable options if our qb isnt there
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Post by vinnie on Oct 29, 2018 12:51:50 GMT -5
I think they should put Lauletta in now, cut Eli at the end of the year, start Lauletta next year for better or worse, trade back in the draft to stock pile picks for the best QB available in 2020 (in case we need to trade up). This years draft class looks weak and I’ve seen Herbert play enough to think he’s not a franchise QB.
I haven’t liked agettleman since day 1 and his moves have only reinforced my disdain for him. As much as we need a QB, if he takes one next year after passing on one this year, I’ll absolutely lose my mind.
One more thought, I would love to see them go after Bridgewater and see what he can do next year for the right price. It’s disgusting they already let the Saints get him for a 3rd.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 18:09:56 GMT -5
The situation has changed. Coming into the 2018 draft Gettleman and co believed Eli had years left in the tank. They decided to make changes to the OL, add a stud RB, and make tweaks to the D. They obviously felt 2016 was a true reflection of this team and not 2017, and with that in minf they went into "win now" mode. So even though last year's class featured a QB to draft to be Eli's successor, it was not realistic for us to draft someone that high if they are going to sit for the majority if not all of their rookie contract. You can get away with a season, maybe two if your existing QB is playing lights out and is an expiring contract, but realistically QBs take that high play pretty soon into their careers if not from day one. Maybe the 2019 class is weaker and not the right one to select a QB, but it is becoming clear we need to draft Eli's successor. So whereas last draft the belief was that Eli has years left, that belief has arguably gone and will be replaced by a desire to move on. That change makes evaluating QB prospects more important than last year, and it arguably makes the need and likelihood of us selecting one greater than last year even if it is not a typical Gettleman pick (ie a reach not BPA). No you still don't reach for a qb if you dont think there is a guy that is a legit franchise qb,especially with this class and the prospect of a fully loaded QB class coming out in 2020. This class is bad,hell,Lauletta to me has just as much an chance of being a franchise qb than these guys,let him have all of 2019 and build up the lines next year. If he sucks we have an easy path to Tua,Fromm,Eason,ect. I'm a BPA guy so you don't need to sell me on not reaching for a QB, I'm with you on that one. However, when teams need a quarterback it can make even the most of ardent of BPA GMs twitchy and do the total opposite of what they have done prior to that. An example of that is when the Jacksonville Jaguars drafted Blake Bortles third overall and passed on the opportunity to draft Khalil Mack. Another example is the Buffalo Bills drafting EJ Manuel sixteenth overall. That's two examples off the top of my head of teams that needed and wanted a quarterback and they reached for one. In an ideal world you'd hope that a GM like Dave Gettleman won't be pressured into drafting a quarterback that is not a value pick, however there is a strong possibility that he will be under pressure to draft a quarterback if he doesn't procure one via free agency or trade. He decided against Sam Darnold and went for Saquon Barkley this year. Most people are willing to give him a pass on that one because Barkley is special and he believed Eli had years left, but if he does the same thing in 2019 (let's say we get Nick Bosa) and we are still a losing football team next season, will he get another pass from the fan base, media and ownership? Maybe not if another young quarterback that he decided against shows the potential to be a franchise quarterback. There's only so many times you can decide against drafting a quarterback before you either get canned or are forced into taking one. Now maybe the 2019 class isn't the time to take one, and perhaps we would be better off drafting a stud defensive player like Nick Bosa, but if we have another bad season there is a chance that Gettleman might not be our GM in 2020. Don't get me wrong adding a stud RB and defensive player with those first rounders would get him praise, but there would be a lot of heat go his way for passing on Eli's successors. That's the way I see it. I'd expect Gettleman to go BPA, but if we need and want a quarterback in 2019, he might end up drafting someone even though they aren't the value pick. Also, it is worth noting that you can't really plan based on 2020 because some of those prospects could play another year in college and come out in 2021. Remember Andrew Luck was projected to come out of college in 2011, however he stayed in college and entered the 2012 draft. Luckily for the Panthers Cam Newton decided against returning for his senior year and declared for 2011 draft, but had Cam Newton returned to college, then the Panthers would have been in deep trouble because there wasn't another high caliber QB prospect. Sometimes players don't declare when they are expected to and that can throw a spanner in the works, and that's without considering that some prospects don't turn out as hoped like Matt Barkley did. Now there was a guy projected to be one of the top prospects in the 2012 QB class had he declared, instead he returned to college and was tipped to be the top pick in 2013, but things didn't go as planned and his draft stock fell and he ended up going in the fourth round. Like I said, I am a BPA guy and would hate to see us reach for the 'wrong' guy, but at the same time I would be reluctant to see us pass on someone that could be 'the guy' in order to wait for a future class. That's risky business because if someone stays another year, or doesn't live up to the hype, or we are not as bad as we think in 2019 and miss out on a top pick and ended up behind other QB needy teams, then we could end up setting this team back at least another year (or more) by making a decision to wait. At that point we then have to wait until another worthy QB prospect comes along or we end up forcing the selection in 2021 because we are in dire need of a QB. Now that's not a justification to force the pick in 2019, but it is a possibility that passing in 2019 and missing in 2020 could force us into a worse position in 2021 and beyond. So while Herbert, Grier, or Lock (etc) are not perfect, Gettleman might take a risk on one of them because he can't afford to bet on what ifs in 2020 and beyond.
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Post by lasion2 on Oct 31, 2018 7:21:32 GMT -5
Tua at 6’1, 215? He’ll be hurt after his first drop back. But, I will be taking a special interest in his game at LSU. It’s gonna be a good test.
I’m on board for the “other” option. Let Elwood play and gear up for Herbert, Fromm, Tua next year. And for Pete’s sake, be right, whichever one they choose.
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Post by KingCap88 on Oct 31, 2018 7:45:50 GMT -5
Right now, I'll say Herbert. But that could change as we get closer to the draft.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 31, 2018 13:03:55 GMT -5
Except none of these guys are even 1st round quality QBs. All I see is a bunch of Christian Ponders,Blake Bortles,Blane Gabberts,Jake Lockers in this class unfortunately I'd rather build the team up with our high pick,draft about 3 o linemen day 2 and early day 3,play Lauletta the entire year next year and if he sucks we have another top 3 pick with Tua and Fromm sitting there ready to take over a nearly complete team . I don’t know how good any of these QBs are but I hope to god they don’t over reach to compensate not taking one this past draft That’s my biggest worry. I used to be a Herbert fan until I saw him play more and more games. Have any of you actually watched a lot of his games this year or are you just going off of hype? The guy doesn’t look like a top pick QB to me nor do any of the others. Yeah, there’s always surprises and busts but if DG said he didn’t like any of the QB’s in this last draft but goes for one of the QB’s in this draft I will absolutely lose my mind. As someone has already stated, I’d rather throw in Lauletta or a back up (preferably get Bridgewater) and prepare for a 2020 QB. We have so many holes to fill on both sides of the ball, we should trade back and start fixing the O line first and foremost. Stockpiling picks for 2020 so we can get the QB we want (Tua would be great) is also preferable. We’re not going to do anything significant next year whether we get a QB or not, better off waiting until we have better choices in 2020.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 31, 2018 13:14:16 GMT -5
I don’t know how good any of these QBs are but I hope to god they don’t over reach to compensate not taking one this past draft That’s my biggest worry. I used to be a Herbert fan until I saw him play more and more games. Have any of you actually watched a lot of his games this year or are you just going off of hype? The guy doesn’t look like a top pick QB to me nor do any of the others. Yeah, there’s always surprises and busts but if DG said he didn’t like any of the QB’s in this last draft but goes for one of the QB’s in this draft I will absolutely lose my mind. As someone has already stated, I’d rather throw in Lauletta or a back up (preferably get Bridgewater) and prepare for a 2020 QB. We have so many holes to fill on both sides of the ball, we should trade back and start fixing the O line first and foremost. Stockpiling picks for 2020 so we can get the QB we want (Tua would be great) is also preferable. We’re not going to do anything significant next year whether we get a QB or not, better off waiting until we have better choices in 2020. I actually watched the YouTube clips of Tyree Jackson and to be honest like what I saw from those clips more than Herbert (better arm,seems very accurate and seemed to be patient with reading defenses),of course being from a small school he could be the "man amongst boys" not facing a good NCAA defense. But I watched that video like 4 times and was very inpressed. He is a guy that probably has to play in all the college all star games against better competition to start to see if he belongs in tbe equation. Right now he to me is a 3rd/4th round guy.
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Nov 2, 2018 21:46:56 GMT -5
Which year is Lawrence eligible for the NFL?
Also how has Ian Book looked? I saw one of the early games and he looked great, how has he been for the rest of the season, his stats are solid but I haven't seen any of the other games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 20:42:06 GMT -5
None this year....once any reaching begins, this team will be set back for 20 years.
All in on Tua in 2020...this kid can do it all.
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Post by Nite on Nov 3, 2018 20:46:35 GMT -5
None this year....once any reaching begins, this team will be set back for 20 years. All in on Tua in 2020...this kid can do it all. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 22.88000000000011px; height: 3.719999999999999px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_82365953" scrolling="no" width="22.88000000000011" height="3.719999999999999"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 22.88px; height: 3.72px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1085px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_66864995" scrolling="no" width="22.88000000000011" height="3.719999999999999"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 22.88px; height: 3.72px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 126px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_77379566" scrolling="no" width="22.88000000000011" height="3.719999999999999"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 22.88px; height: 3.72px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1085px; top: 126px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_22795065" scrolling="no" width="22.88000000000011" height="3.719999999999999"></iframe> Fer sure. He is proving it again tonight..
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 3, 2018 23:57:39 GMT -5
None this year....once any reaching begins, this team will be set back for 20 years. All in on Tua in 2020...this kid can do it all. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 22.88000000000011px; height: 3.719999999999999px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_82365953" scrolling="no" width="22.88000000000011" height="3.719999999999999"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 22.88px; height: 3.72px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1085px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_66864995" scrolling="no" width="22.88000000000011" height="3.719999999999999"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 22.88px; height: 3.72px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 126px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_77379566" scrolling="no" width="22.88000000000011" height="3.719999999999999"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 22.88px; height: 3.72px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1085px; top: 126px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_22795065" scrolling="no" width="22.88000000000011" height="3.719999999999999"></iframe> Fer sure. He is proving it again tonight.. Heck Go back to back 2019 and 2020 for Alabama prospects. Grab one of the William's guys(the OT or DT )this year Sell the farm to get Tua next year(if Lauletta isnt a starter)
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Nov 4, 2018 19:52:33 GMT -5
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