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Post by Easy E on Nov 7, 2018 11:45:06 GMT -5
Now that All-22 film is beginning to become available for the 2019 NFL Draft class, Benjamin Solak is introducing his weekly video series: The Cut Up.
While pulling GIFs and typing out descriptions more than does the job, having the opportunity to sit down and run through film with a telestrator and a clicker allows viewers to gain a deeper insight into the play in question. For example: Oregon QB Justin Herbert’s mechanic flaws are a lot easier to suss out when slow motion and rewind capabilities are available.
Herbert is the subject of this week’s Cut Up: Solak got into his film against Washington and walked away with a bad taste. Herbert missed a handful of throws in this game: some due to puzzling post-snap decisions, and some due to mechanical issues that limited his velocity and his accuracy. Touted as the top quarterback in this Draft, Solak doesn’t think he’d take Justin Herbert before any of the top four quarterbacks from last year’s class.
To learn more about Herbert’s throwing mechanics and understand why Solak is so wary about his pro translation, you can check out the latest episode of The Cut Up below.
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Post by IrishMike on Nov 7, 2018 11:54:59 GMT -5
Well last year was the greatest QB class ever so duh.
I appreciate people do this type of work but I can't stand when they question a players decision making ability. You have no clue what the call was, or what was changed at the line or any of the pertinent information in order to criticize his decision making.
Now we can criticize his mechanics all day long, I am 100% on board with that. The thing to keep in mind with Herbert is that everyone is saying he needs more time to develop. Whether that is another year in Oregon or as the #2 on some NFL team remains to be seen. Don't expect this kid to come in day 1 and start. All the top guys from last years class were touted as finished products ready to play in the NFL and all are struggling like you'd expect.
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Post by scoostraw on Nov 7, 2018 13:27:05 GMT -5
Just going by my gut, I have a bad feeling about Herbert.
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Post by desertash on Nov 7, 2018 13:41:37 GMT -5
Just going by my gut, I have a bad feeling about Herbert. I'd take Grier over him. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 7, 2018 13:44:55 GMT -5
At best a Blake Bortles IMO. Im not a fan really. Not as of now anyways.
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Post by hadenough on Nov 7, 2018 14:44:14 GMT -5
He's got some rawness. But he's also got some good stuff. He reminds me of Mahomes in college. Mahomes made some bad throws in college...but also some very good ones. It's all about learning. If he gets better...Herbert could be very good.
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Post by EliQB10 on Nov 7, 2018 14:46:33 GMT -5
I like Jones over Herbert...
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Post by IrishMike on Nov 7, 2018 15:13:57 GMT -5
I like Jones over Herbert... I was torn but the more I watch of both the more I agree. Daniel Jones just makes some great throws. He throws the best deep ball in college and he is considered a good scheme fit for a west coast offense. Him being a big success would not surprise me at all. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 7, 2018 15:25:53 GMT -5
Not fond on any QBs in this class. I think this is the bad year between 2 great years of college QBs. Of course this is probably where we will reach for one and totally cement us in as the Blue Browns.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 7, 2018 15:33:20 GMT -5
This QB class reminds of the one where EJ Manuel was the first QB taken off the board.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 7, 2018 15:34:41 GMT -5
Not fond on any QBs in this class. I think this is the bad year between 2 great years of college QBs. Of course this is probably where we will reach for one and totally cement us in as the Blue Browns. I certainly hope not. I hope that they just draft Nick Bosa and pass on these QBs. Not one of them are even top ten prospects. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 7, 2018 15:35:56 GMT -5
He's got some rawness. But he's also got some good stuff. He reminds me of Mahomes in college. Mahomes made some bad throws in college...but also some very good ones. It's all about learning. If he gets better...Herbert could be very good. I know what was said but a lot of people weren't sold on the last QB class and as they all struggle. Fair question is will any of them take a big enough leap to be a franchise QB.There all having as tough a time as you can have.Herbert if groomed right has a chance to be pretty good. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 7, 2018 15:40:31 GMT -5
He's got some rawness. But he's also got some good stuff. He reminds me of Mahomes in college. Mahomes made some bad throws in college...but also some very good ones. It's all about learning. If he gets better...Herbert could be very good. I know what was said but a lot of people weren't sold on the last QB class and as they all struggle. Fair question is will any of them take a big enough leap to be a franchise QB.There all having as tough a time as you can have.Herbert if groomed right has a chance to be pretty good. 8 games! 8! and thats only Darnold! The rest have 5 or less starts. You know what Eli did in his first 8 games? 48% Completion - 1,043 yards - 6 TDs - 9 INTs - 3.85 Yards per attempt - 55 Passer rating Patience is a virtue. Especially with a QB. Another reason I think Gettleman went RB. Results instantly. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 7, 2018 15:53:50 GMT -5
I know what was said but a lot of people weren't sold on the last QB class and as they all struggle. Fair question is will any of them take a big enough leap to be a franchise QB.There all having as tough a time as you can have.Herbert if groomed right has a chance to be pretty good. 8 games! 8! and thats only Darnold! The rest have 5 or less starts. You know what Eli did in his first 8 games? 48% Completion - 1,043 yards - 6 TDs - 9 INTs - 3.85 Yards per attempt - 55 Passer rating Patience is a virtue. Especially with a QB. Another reason I think Gettleman went RB. Results instantly. I don't care what Eli did 15 years ago against some of the best defenses in the league.By the time they played the steelers that year he was settling in and put up good numbers against a very good defense.Dude didn't know you were a hater this post had 0 to do with Eli.It was a question that is a fair to ask wether any of these guys will be able to shake the struggles they are having in there rookie seasons.Some might break out or at least look like they belong by the end of the year the way Eli did.and he came back and won 10 games the next year. |
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 7, 2018 16:06:07 GMT -5
8 games! 8! and thats only Darnold! The rest have 5 or less starts. You know what Eli did in his first 8 games? 48% Completion - 1,043 yards - 6 TDs - 9 INTs - 3.85 Yards per attempt - 55 Passer rating Patience is a virtue. Especially with a QB. Another reason I think Gettleman went RB. Results instantly. I don't care what Eli did 15 years ago against some of the best defenses in the league.By the time they played the steelers that year he was settling in and put up good numbers against a very good defense.Dude didn't know you were a hater this post had 0 to do with Eli.It was a question that is a fair to ask wether any of these guys will be able to shake the struggles they are having in there rookie seasons.Some might break out or at least look like they belong by the end of the year the way Eli did.and he came back and won 10 games the next year. He actually got 11 wins and had John Hufnagel as his Offensive Coordinator and Tim Lewis was the defensive coordinator lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 16:17:56 GMT -5
Lauletta actually looks more like an nfl qb to me than herbert, what little ive seen from both.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 16:19:55 GMT -5
8 games! 8! and thats only Darnold! The rest have 5 or less starts. You know what Eli did in his first 8 games? 48% Completion - 1,043 yards - 6 TDs - 9 INTs - 3.85 Yards per attempt - 55 Passer rating Patience is a virtue. Especially with a QB. Another reason I think Gettleman went RB. Results instantly. I don't care what Eli did 15 years ago against some of the best defenses in the league.By the time they played the steelers that year he was settling in and put up good numbers against a very good defense.Dude didn't know you were a hater this post had 0 to do with Eli.It was a question that is a fair to ask wether any of these guys will be able to shake the struggles they are having in there rookie seasons.Some might break out or at least look like they belong by the end of the year the way Eli did.and he came back and won 10 games the next year. It's all about Eli. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 7, 2018 16:23:45 GMT -5
At best a Blake Bortles IMO. Im not a fan really. Not as of now anyways. Watching him vs Arizona 2 weeks ago that is exactly what I thought None of these QBs are worth a top 10 pick this year unfortunately Play Lauletta and see where we are at the end of 2019 and build up other areas of need(pass rush and O line) |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Nov 7, 2018 16:25:26 GMT -5
Well last year was the greatest QB class ever so duh.
I appreciate people do this type of work but I can't stand when they question a players decision making ability. You have no clue what the call was, or what was changed at the line or any of the pertinent information in order to criticize his decision making.
Now we can criticize his mechanics all day long, I am 100% on board with that. The thing to keep in mind with Herbert is that everyone is saying he needs more time to develop. Whether that is another year in Oregon or as the #2 on some NFL team remains to be seen. Don't expect this kid to come in day 1 and start. All the top guys from last years class were touted as finished products ready to play in the NFL and all are struggling like you'd expect.
That sounds like something an Eli apologist would say....lol "Eli didn't blow the play, the WR probably ran the wrong route. As fans, we will never be sure unless we see Eli tear into a WR |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Nov 7, 2018 16:26:41 GMT -5
All of you "Draft Barkley fans" had better pray that kid is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or else the Barkley pick will look really foolish from QB hell
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 7, 2018 16:33:18 GMT -5
8 games! 8! and thats only Darnold! The rest have 5 or less starts. You know what Eli did in his first 8 games? 48% Completion - 1,043 yards - 6 TDs - 9 INTs - 3.85 Yards per attempt - 55 Passer rating Patience is a virtue. Especially with a QB. Another reason I think Gettleman went RB. Results instantly. I don't care what Eli did 15 years ago against some of the best defenses in the league.By the time they played the steelers that year he was settling in and put up good numbers against a very good defense.Dude didn't know you were a hater this post had 0 to do with Eli.It was a question that is a fair to ask wether any of these guys will be able to shake the struggles they are having in there rookie seasons.Some might break out or at least look like they belong by the end of the year the way Eli did.and he came back and won 10 games the next year. I was showing you that QBs struggle early on is a common thing. I think Rosen and Mayfield both shown they can belong already. SAme with SAm but his turnovers are the red flag. Yes, Im a hater by telling you Eli struggled early and righted the ship...  |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 7, 2018 16:36:16 GMT -5
All of you "Draft Barkley fans" had better pray that kid is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or else the Barkley pick will look really foolish from QB hell I wasnt in the draft Barkley group, but, did you mean Knowshawn Marino? Dan is a QB... He will never live up to that status being a RB. He has to be the new Barry Sanders or even Gale Sayers to be worth the #2 pick. Or, everyone else in that class bombs. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 7, 2018 16:59:48 GMT -5
I don't care what Eli did 15 years ago against some of the best defenses in the league.By the time they played the steelers that year he was settling in and put up good numbers against a very good defense.Dude didn't know you were a hater this post had 0 to do with Eli.It was a question that is a fair to ask wether any of these guys will be able to shake the struggles they are having in there rookie seasons.Some might break out or at least look like they belong by the end of the year the way Eli did.and he came back and won 10 games the next year. I was showing you that QBs struggle early on is a common thing. I think Rosen and Mayfield both shown they can belong already. SAme with SAm but his turnovers are the red flag. Yes, Im a hater by telling you Eli struggled early and righted the ship... Sorry misunderstood think they all have a chance.sometimes it's hard for guys to turn the tide when it's going bad. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 7, 2018 17:02:56 GMT -5
I don't care what Eli did 15 years ago against some of the best defenses in the league.By the time they played the steelers that year he was settling in and put up good numbers against a very good defense.Dude didn't know you were a hater this post had 0 to do with Eli.It was a question that is a fair to ask wether any of these guys will be able to shake the struggles they are having in there rookie seasons.Some might break out or at least look like they belong by the end of the year the way Eli did.and he came back and won 10 games the next year. He actually got 11 wins and had John Hufnagel as his Offensive Coordinator and Tim Lewis was the defensive coordinator lol. Huffy got canned after the they got blanked by Carolina.Just don't think anything is set in stone as far as last years class went.. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 7, 2018 17:21:47 GMT -5
I like Jones over Herbert... I was torn but the more I watch of both the more I agree. Daniel Jones just makes some great throws. He throws the best deep ball in college and he is considered a good scheme fit for a west coast offense. Him being a big success would not surprise me at all. Nope. Only last year. That was the only year for guaranteed, bona fide franchise QBs. Everybody who has read the articles or watched the shows knows that. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 7, 2018 17:23:44 GMT -5
All of you "Draft Barkley fans" had better pray that kid is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or else the Barkley pick will look really foolish from QB hell Yeah! Which one of the 4 this year was the 2nd coming of Dan Marino? I keep forgetting; or it keeps changing. One of those. |
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Post by Nullusion on Nov 7, 2018 19:04:26 GMT -5
Wouldn’t be opposed to drafting a DL/OL over reaching for a QB. Especially given some of the defensive talent at the top of this draft.
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Post by Bigjeep on Nov 7, 2018 19:12:04 GMT -5
We don't have to draft a QB next year! There are plenty retreads around to fill in for one year!
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Post by bigbluefoo on Nov 7, 2018 21:21:36 GMT -5
i think Herbert is great, and given time and proper nfl coaching he's going to be an excellent quarterback. I saw some games from him this year that left me awestruck at his abilities to make plays. As a source of comparison, not one game last year did I think Sam Darnold was particularly great. My personal opinion. The more people talk down on this draft class at qb, the better chance a really underrated guy turns out to be better than many taken last year.
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Post by bigbluefoo on Nov 7, 2018 21:30:31 GMT -5
All of you "Draft Barkley fans" had better pray that kid is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or else the Barkley pick will look really foolish from QB hell give me a break. So far only Mayfield looks terrific from the qb class, and he was gone before we picked at 2. None of our scouts could find a consensus on the other ones and who could blame them? Darnold has completely sucked almost every game even bearing in mind the jets lack of talent, his decision making was egregious the last few weeks. Allen is hurt, Rosen has been the best of the rest so far, none look like Dan Marino so calm down. We chose the best overall player in the draft...and he absoloutely was. Giant fans would be going nuts if Darnold threw 6 passes to the other team 4 for picks for crying out loud especially if Barcley was doing what he's been doing for us at another team. |
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