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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 7, 2019 9:37:17 GMT -5
I see it differently . The way I see it: The pitcher batting adds an element of strategy into the game. One of the only ones left that a human manager can resolve. DH is a perfect fit for a computerized manager. It is binary Yes/No . The reason the universal DH is even being suggested. Wrong again, and I've got a legendary former major league manager to prove you're wrong....... I went to a sports charity function at Adelphi University last December, and one of the guest speakers there was, Jim Leyland. The great manager who managed teams in both the AL and NL... Leyland said during his speech that it was "harder to manage in the American League than the National League", and he gave this example: (I'm paraphrasing): "If I'm managing a game in the American League and I'm down 3-0 in the 6th inning, I'm wondering if I should try to get another inning out of my pitcher, or should I take him out now? In the National League, there's no decision to make, because the decision is made for you. You're down by three runs, it's the 6th inning and your pitcher is due up. It's simple. You pinch hit for him". The element of strategy in double switches is so overrated and so less exciting than seeing a DH hit a double. Double switch < Double from a DH These are differences of opinion, opinions can’t be proven. We all know this, right?
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Apr 7, 2019 9:37:37 GMT -5
Stargel's career numbers could've been even better if he had the opportunity to be a DH in the later years of his career.... What a shame he didn't have that opportunity. And yet they did not need to be. Explain that? What is there to explain? Stargel's numbers would've been better if he had the opportunity to DH, and even be considered a better player than Big Papi. I can't believe I'm sticking up for this Red Sox player who gave me nightmares!
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 7, 2019 9:39:12 GMT -5
You know what would be cool? Teams designate how many designated hitters they want to use each game. Got a light hitting shortstop? Use a DH for him. Same for the weak hitting left and right fielders. After all it’s all about making the game better! You know what would be really cool? Having the DH be used universally in inter-league games, and in the World Series. Even when the American League is the visiting team. And of course, we'll give the National League team the option to still have their pitcher's hit, so they don't have to be forced to use a DH. That would be cool by me. Cooler would be not using the DH so if you’re not good enough to be a complete player your manager has to actually manage to find ways to get you ABs.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Apr 7, 2019 9:40:39 GMT -5
Wrong again, and I've got a legendary former major league manager to prove you're wrong....... I went to a sports charity function at Adelphi University last December, and one of the guest speakers there was, Jim Leyland. The great manager who managed teams in both the AL and NL... Leyland said during his speech that it was "harder to manage in the American League than the National League", and he gave this example: (I'm paraphrasing): "If I'm managing a game in the American League and I'm down 3-0 in the 6th inning, I'm wondering if I should try to get another inning out of my pitcher, or should I take him out now? In the National League, there's no decision to make, because the decision is made for you. You're down by three runs, it's the 6th inning and your pitcher is due up. It's simple. You pinch hit for him". The element of strategy in double switches is so overrated and so less exciting than seeing a DH hit a double. Double switch < Double from a DH It is the difference in a close game of going with a starting pitcher that pitching a good game. Or going with a pinch hitter to produce the need runs. That is never done in the AL . So how exactly am I wrong? Huh? I don't understand what you're trying to say here? What is never done in the AL? Pinch hitting?? Aaron Boone hit his 2003 ALCS game 7 classic home run as a pinch hitter, not as a DH.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Apr 7, 2019 9:42:19 GMT -5
You know what would be really cool? Having the DH be used universally in inter-league games, and in the World Series. Even when the American League is the visiting team. And of course, we'll give the National League team the option to still have their pitcher's hit, so they don't have to be forced to use a DH. That would be cool by me. Cooler would be not using the DH so if you’re not good enough to be a complete player your manager has to actually manage to find ways to get you ABs. Then lets get rid of kickers and punters because they are not complete football players.
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2019 9:46:28 GMT -5
And yet they did not need to be. Explain that? What is there to explain? Stargel's numbers would've been better if he had the opportunity to DH, and even be considered a better player than Big Papi. I can't believe I'm sticking up for this Red Sox player who gave me nightmares! I am not a fan of touting "What Ifs" or "would haves" as facts. The facts show his numbers without being a DH held up in the latter stages of his career . At age 39 (32 Homeruns) Drum roll Mic Drop
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 7, 2019 9:47:39 GMT -5
And yet they did not need to be. Explain that? What is there to explain? Stargel's numbers would've been better if he had the opportunity to DH, and even be considered a better player than Big Papi. I can't believe I'm sticking up for this Red Sox player who gave me nightmares! I’m not sure I agree that Ortiz was better, I’d have to look at their overall careers. I’d have to see how much of Ortiz’s hitting stats were padded toward the end. My gut, without looking at their careers is that I think Stargel was a much better player.
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2019 9:48:00 GMT -5
It is the difference in a close game of going with a starting pitcher that pitching a good game. Or going with a pinch hitter to produce the need runs. That is never done in the AL . So how exactly am I wrong? Huh? I don't understand what you're trying to say here? What is never done in the AL? Pinch hitting?? Aaron Boone hit his 2003 ALCS game 7 classic home run as a pinch hitter, not as a DH. I think I explained it . There is a strategy on knowing when to pull a pitcher that is pitching well for a pinch hitter to get runs.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 7, 2019 9:50:44 GMT -5
Cooler would be not using the DH so if you’re not good enough to be a complete player your manager has to actually manage to find ways to get you ABs. Then lets get rid of kickers and punters because they are not complete football players. They don’t need to be complete players, they’re not players, they’re specialists like DHs. I have no issue with the DH. The league can alter the game however they’d like.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Apr 7, 2019 9:53:05 GMT -5
What is there to explain? Stargel's numbers would've been better if he had the opportunity to DH, and even be considered a better player than Big Papi. I can't believe I'm sticking up for this Red Sox player who gave me nightmares! I am not a fan of touting "What Ifs" or "would haves" as facts. The facts show his numbers without being a DH held up in the latter stages of his career . At age 39 (32 Homeruns) Drum roll Mic Drop Here, let me that mic up for you... Imagine how many more home runs he could've hit at age 39 if he was able to DH? How many home runs would he have hit at age 40 and/or 41? I'd much rather see a great future HOF hitter prolong his career a few more years, than to see a 25 year old pitcher pathetically swing a bat up at the plate.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Apr 7, 2019 9:55:35 GMT -5
Huh? I don't understand what you're trying to say here? What is never done in the AL? Pinch hitting?? Aaron Boone hit his 2003 ALCS game 7 classic home run as a pinch hitter, not as a DH. I think I explained it . There is a strategy on knowing when to pull a pitcher that is pitching well for a pinch hitter to get runs. I'm sorry, but you didn't explain yourself. How is Jim Leyland wrong in his thinking when he says, "it's harder to manage in the American League than it is in the National League"?
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2019 9:56:51 GMT -5
I am not a fan of touting "What Ifs" or "would haves" as facts. The facts show his numbers without being a DH held up in the latter stages of his career . At age 39 (32 Homeruns) Drum roll Mic Drop Here, let me that mic up for you... Imagine how more home runs he could've hit at age 39 if he was able to DH? How many home runs would he have hit at age 40 and/or 41? I'd much rather see a great future HOF hitter prolong his career a few more years, than to see a 25 year old pitcher pathetically swing a bat up at the plate. I will give you an A for innovation . You substituted would have for imagine.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Apr 7, 2019 9:58:41 GMT -5
Then lets get rid of kickers and punters because they are not complete football players. They don’t need to be complete players, they’re not players, they’re specialists like DHs. I have no issue with the DH. The league can alter the game however they’d like. I'm not trying to be an antagonist. I just HATE seeing pitchers hit. Just like I don't want to get rid of kickers and punters, because I would HATE to see Saquon Barkley try to kick a field goal. Second thought....
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Apr 7, 2019 9:59:44 GMT -5
Here, let me that mic up for you... Imagine how more home runs he could've hit at age 39 if he was able to DH? How many home runs would he have hit at age 40 and/or 41? I'd much rather see a great future HOF hitter prolong his career a few more years, than to see a 25 year old pitcher pathetically swing a bat up at the plate. I will give you an A for innovation . You substituted would have for imagine. And you get an A for persistence.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 7, 2019 10:57:31 GMT -5
They don’t need to be complete players, they’re not players, they’re specialists like DHs. I have no issue with the DH. The league can alter the game however they’d like. I'm not trying to be an antagonist. I just HATE seeing pitchers hit. Just like I don't want to get rid of kickers and punters, because I would HATE to see Saquon Barkley try to kick a field goal. Second thought.... I understand that triple B. I’m not deeply invested here either, it’s just a difference of opinion.
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Post by tcseacliff on Apr 8, 2019 6:28:06 GMT -5
I like how we were able to scratch and claw back and get some runs back in in our 12-9 loss to the Nats, but man, Wheeler needs work, and our bull pen is still bothersome!
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Apr 8, 2019 10:48:39 GMT -5
I like how we were able to scratch and claw back and get some runs back in in our 12-9 loss to the Nats, but man, Wheeler needs work, and our bull pen is still bothersome! I like the offense and 3/5 of the starters. Vargas is probably going to continue to get hit hard and Wheeler doesn't look like the guy from the 2nd half of last year. That blatant lack of control yesterday seemed like a guy who might have something physical going on. We shall see. Oh and already seeing Familia toe the rubber makes me cringe. However, Diaz is a stud.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 9, 2019 9:06:04 GMT -5
I like how we were able to scratch and claw back and get some runs back in in our 12-9 loss to the Nats, but man, Wheeler needs work, and our bull pen is still bothersome! I like the offense and 3/5 of the starters. Vargas is probably going to continue to get hit hard and Wheeler doesn't look like the guy from the 2nd half of last year. That blatant lack of control yesterday seemed like a guy who might have something physical going on. We shall see. Oh and already seeing Familia toe the rubber makes me cringe. However, Diaz is a stud. Yeah, aside from DeGrom the pitching hasnt been great. Even Thor has been throwing into a LOT of 3-2 counts and running up his pitch count early, which taxes the BS even more. But at least this team seems to be able to score runs and come from behind. You know the last game played by last years roster would have prolly ended 12-1. Early days, need to stay healthy, this division will be tight.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Apr 11, 2019 12:16:57 GMT -5
Good series coming up, Mets are going to have to beat the Braves this year is they want to be in contention.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Apr 11, 2019 21:08:23 GMT -5
Pete Alonso, jeez! Let's see what happens when the league adjusts to him.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 13, 2019 19:12:38 GMT -5
OMG, Vargas SUCKS. Lasts a third of an inning,walks them loaded, walks one home.
They score 4. Then we score 4 in the bottom 😉
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 13, 2019 19:50:18 GMT -5
Mets are throwing BP tonight. Seems like every batter has had a full count.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Apr 13, 2019 21:12:15 GMT -5
Here's an idea, DFA Vargas.
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Post by TEM on Apr 14, 2019 8:34:03 GMT -5
Lugo or Gsellman need to switch roles with Vargas. He is not a starter anymore.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Apr 14, 2019 9:02:23 GMT -5
Keuchel, that's the solution. Cut ties with Vargas. I know they don't want to part ways with a draft pick, but adding him to our rotation would really solidify our chances this season.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 14, 2019 10:19:21 GMT -5
Keuchel, that's the solution. Cut ties with Vargas. I know they don't want to part ways with a draft pick, but adding him to our rotation would really solidify our chances this season. I’d be happy to sign Keuchel for what he’s worth I just doubt he realizes he’s only worth about 40% of what he’s asking. Let someone else overpay him.
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Post by TEM on Apr 14, 2019 10:50:27 GMT -5
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Apr 14, 2019 13:16:24 GMT -5
Keuchel, that's the solution. Cut ties with Vargas. I know they don't want to part ways with a draft pick, but adding him to our rotation would really solidify our chances this season. I’d be happy to sign Keuchel for what he’s worth I just doubt he realizes he’s only worth about 40% of what he’s asking. Let someone else overpay him. I'd say the fact that he's still out there lets him know his value isn't what he imagines it is. More importantly we need DeGrom to put that abberation behind him and Degrominate the Braves tonight.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 14, 2019 21:44:55 GMT -5
Well, what do ya know? deGrom is human after all.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Apr 15, 2019 7:49:30 GMT -5
Well, what do ya know? deGrom is human after all. Yeah, losing 2 after winning 2 stinks, but in the grand scheme a split in ATL to a team we went 3-16 against last year is fine. Phils up now.
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