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Post by jmike on Dec 10, 2018 14:31:01 GMT -5
Curious how people viewed these two groups as neither team was know for its passing game.
Also curious, which of those two whole teams if planted in today's NFL would fair better with all the different rules today?
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 10, 2018 16:20:34 GMT -5
1990 by a mile..
Stephen Baker and Mark Ingram.
Outside of Giant fans can anyone name the receivers of the ‘86 team?
As for what team would fair better in today’s rules, the ‘86 team was a great team. They kicked a lot of ass that season..
But that ‘90 team which was my favorite Giants team had no weaknesses.
I can’t see any tackle blocking MVP Taylor from ‘86. In a passing league of today he could rack up 20 sacks in the first 10 games.
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 10, 2018 16:22:16 GMT -5
They were both pretty mediocre. I guess the 90 team's WR's were a little better.
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Post by JPthePizz on Dec 10, 2018 19:50:45 GMT -5
I mean....Bavaro's '86 season was pretty excellent, are we ruling him out?
'90 had Baker and Ingram who were pretty good in a 'meh' offense, so for WRs, they were better.
Sorry, i can't vote. I'm conflicted!!
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Post by jmike on Dec 10, 2018 19:54:39 GMT -5
I mean....Bavaro's '86 season was pretty excellent, are we ruling him out? '90 had Baker and Ingram who were pretty good in a 'meh' offense, so for WRs, they were better. Sorry, i can't vote. I'm conflicted!! Yes, he was a TE. I was specifically speaking of WRs. Sorry if that wasn't clear. 1990 also had Meggett at RB, but he doesn't count either. |
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Post by r2z2 on Dec 11, 2018 19:27:11 GMT -5
Curious how people viewed these two groups as neither team was know for its passing game. Also curious, which of those two whole teams if planted in today's NFL would fair better with all the different rules today? I go 86, Manuel was better than both Ingram and Baker. He was hurt that year but Manuel and Johnson over Baker and Ingram imo. |
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Post by r2z2 on Dec 11, 2018 19:27:59 GMT -5
Curious how people viewed these two groups as neither team was know for its passing game. Also curious, which of those two whole teams if planted in today's NFL would fair better with all the different rules today? What’s your pick ? |
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Post by jmike on Dec 11, 2018 20:01:38 GMT -5
Curious how people viewed these two groups as neither team was know for its passing game. Also curious, which of those two whole teams if planted in today's NFL would fair better with all the different rules today? What’s your pick ? I have no recollection of the 86 team, 1990 was when I really started paying attention. And I thought the Giants just won the super bowl every year, boy did 1991 suck |
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Post by r2z2 on Dec 11, 2018 20:06:25 GMT -5
I have no recollection of the 86 team, 1990 was when I really started paying attention. And I thought the Giants just won the super bowl every year, boy did 1991 suck Lol that’s funny because that’s how 86 was for me. I just assumed the Giants and Penn State would win every year. 1987 was a wake up call. |
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Post by r2z2 on Dec 11, 2018 21:00:16 GMT -5
This is a good topic.
86 vs 90
QB 90
RBs 86
WRs 86
TE. 86
OL 90
Dline 86
Linebackers 86
Corners 90
Safeties 90
Special teams 90.
Thoughts ?
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Post by r2z2 on Dec 11, 2018 21:04:42 GMT -5
Also the 07 vs the 2011 WRs core would be an excellent debate. I can’t decide on that one.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 4, 2019 1:49:08 GMT -5
Also the 07 vs the 2011 WRs core would be an excellent debate. I can’t decide on that one. 2011 by a mile |
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Post by Jomo on Jan 6, 2019 0:03:26 GMT -5
Curious how people viewed these two groups as neither team was know for its passing game. Also curious, which of those two whole teams if planted in today's NFL would fair better with all the different rules today? I go 86, Manuel was better than both Ingram and Baker. He was hurt that year but Manuel and Johnson over Baker and Ingram imo. I agree with that. In the battle of B grade WR, I go with 1986. |
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Post by TEM on Jan 6, 2019 14:10:29 GMT -5
86 we had
Stacy Robinson 29 catches for 494 yards, 2 td
Bobby Johnson 31 catches for 534 yards, 5 td
Lionel Manuel 11 catches for 181 yards ,3 td
Solomon Miller 9 catches for 144 yards ,2 td
Phil McConkey 16 catches for 279 yards ,1 td
5745 yards in total Offense
1076 offensive snaps (472 passing 44% ) (558 rushing 52% ) (46 sacks 4% ) + had 96 penalties for 738 yards
Passing yardage 3500 (61.4%)
Rushing yardage 2245 (38.6%)
Phil 468 passing attempts, 259 completions (55%), 46 sacks, actual throws 422 (61.5%)
Rutledge 3 passing attempts 1 compilation (33%)
total complete passes 260
210 incomplete passes (45%)
Completion yardage:
MLBs 13 yards ( .4%)
RBs 735 yards ( Check down king?) (21%)
TEs 1120 yards (32%)
WR2 1632 yards (46.6%)
Completions:
MLBs 1 (.4%)
RBs 87 (33%) (check down king?)
TEs 76 (29.6%)
WRs 96 (37%)
Receiving TDs
RBs 2 ( 10.5%)
TEs 4 (21%)
WR 12 ( 68.5%)
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Post by TEM on Jan 6, 2019 14:10:59 GMT -5
In 1990 we had.
Stephen Baker 26 catches for 541 yards 4 td
Mark Ingram 26 catches for 499 yards, 5 td
Troy Kyles 4 catches for 77 yards
Lionel Manuel 11 catches for 169 yards
Stacy Robinson 2 catches for 13 yards
Odessa Turner 6 catches for 69 yards
Dave Meggett 39 catches for 410 yards .1 td
4947 yards in total offense
968 offensive snaps ( 398 passing 41.2%) ( 541 rushing 55.9%) (29 sacks 2.1%) + 86 Penalties for 655
Passing 2898 yards (58.6% )
Rushing 2049 yards( 41.4%)
Phil 311 passing attempts 184 completions (59.2% ) 20 sacks. Actual throws 291 (63.4%)
Jeff 87 attempts 47 completions (54%) 9 sacks. Actual throws 76 (62%)
167 incomplete passes (42%)
Completion yardage
RBs 594 (20.5%)
TEs 526 (18.2%)
WRs 1789 (61.8)
Completions
RBs 72 (31%) (check down king?)
TEs 44 (19%)
WRs 114 for (50%)
Receiving TDs
RBs 2 (10%)
TEs 6 (40.5%)
WRs 9( 50.5%)
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Post by Zimonami on Jan 6, 2019 20:47:12 GMT -5
This is a good topic. 86 vs 90 QB 90 RBs 86 WRs 86 TE. 86 OL 90 Dline 86 Linebackers 86 Corners 90 Safeties 90 Special teams 90. Thoughts ? I disagree with some here: QB '86,. Phil was 22/25 in the SB. IN '90 Hoss played well, but we win the SB easily if Phil is the QB. RB - '90, Joe Morris was what he was because of the gaping holes the '86 line opened for him. I'll take the veteran leadership OJ Anderson brought to the '90 team. WR's - tough call. The Smurfs of '86 did a great job, but so did Baker and Ingram in '90 TE '86. Bavaro in '90 was not what he was in '86 OL. The '86 team was the best blocking team the Giants have ever had. Like I said, Joe Morris ran through huge holes all season. DLine… close, but I'll agree '86 LB - The best LB corp, ever, '86... Banks, Reasons, Harry, and LT... 'nuf said. Corners - Collins/Williams, '86, vs. Collins/Walls... pretty close. Safeties: Hill and Kenard, '86, vs Jackson and Guyton. Pretty close, again |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 8, 2019 11:15:06 GMT -5
Also the 07 vs the 2011 WRs core would be an excellent debate. I can’t decide on that one. 2011 by a mile 2011 group was better, but Plax was the best individual receiver out of them all. I'm not sure if Eli's career ever would have taken off if it hadn't been for big #17. |
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