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Post by firminsidepocket on Jun 26, 2018 11:12:53 GMT -5
1st time we've seen Reese in public since his firing
Reese is great with the ladies. He never has an offensive line for them.
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Post by Miked1958 on Jun 26, 2018 11:57:19 GMT -5
Whooppey Doooo.. that dude set back the franchise a number of years with the last 3-5 drafts and bad FA signings
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Post by firminsidepocket on Jun 26, 2018 12:29:26 GMT -5
Whooppey Doooo.. that dude set back the franchise a number of years with the last 3-5 drafts and bad FA signings Most toxic, destructive force in NYG history.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 13:25:31 GMT -5
Whooppey Doooo.. that dude set back the franchise a number of years with the last 3-5 drafts and bad FA signings Most toxic, destructive force in NYG history. Oh my God, really?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 13:27:06 GMT -5
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Post by firminsidepocket on Jun 26, 2018 13:28:18 GMT -5
Most toxic, destructive force in NYG history. Oh my God, really? Really. Singlehandedly got Tom Coughlin, Pat Flaherty, Mike Pope, and Kevin Gilbride fired. Never gave the team a realistic chance of competing from 2013-2017. Turned to an outsider from Green Bay (McAdoo) to pin the blame on Coughlin and save his job. Put Eli Manning in a system designed for an Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson style QB.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 26, 2018 13:57:31 GMT -5
There's the Jerry Reese I remember! Two, count 'em two Super Bowl trophies.
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 26, 2018 15:14:00 GMT -5
Most toxic, destructive force in NYG history. Well...no one can say you didn't try and clearly state you side.
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 26, 2018 15:15:12 GMT -5
There's the Jerry Reese I remember! Two, count 'em two Super Bowl trophies. Is it just me, or does it seem like that's a pretty sweet resume?
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 26, 2018 15:34:45 GMT -5
Let's not forget that we are talking about someone who was considered highly for executive of the year just a season ago.
You know, the more I think about Jerry, the more I appreciate everything he did for this organization.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 15:55:25 GMT -5
Let's not forget that we are talking about someone who was considered highly for executive of the year just a season ago.
You know, the more I think about Jerry, the more I appreciate everything he did for this organization.
Nice link. How soon we all seem to forget.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 26, 2018 19:11:22 GMT -5
There's the Jerry Reese I remember! Two, count 'em two Super Bowl trophies. Is it just me, or does it seem like that's a pretty sweet resume? Well, don't go by me. I don't know anything about football.
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Post by TEM on Jun 26, 2018 19:26:39 GMT -5
Whooppey Doooo.. that dude set back the franchise a number of years with the last 3-5 drafts and bad FA signings Most toxic, destructive force in NYG history. Was he now? George Young: (1979-1997) 155-139-2 (52%) 10 -6 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 8 losing seasons (57% losing season percentage ) Ernie Accorsi (1998-2006) 73-71 (51%) 5-9 in the playoffs ( 1 SB loss) 4 losing season ( 45% losing season percentage) Jerry Reese: (2007-2017) 91-85 (52%) 8-2 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 4 losing seasons (36% losing season percentage) The facts suggest that not to be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 0:24:04 GMT -5
Is it just me, or does it seem like that's a pretty sweet resume? Well, don't go by me. I don't know anything about football. Who told you that? moosedrool?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 0:40:21 GMT -5
Most toxic, destructive force in NYG history. Was he now? George Young: (1979-1997) 155-139-2 (52%) 10 -6 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 8 losing seasons (57% losing season percentage ) Ernie Accorsi (1998-2006) 73-71 (51%) 5-9 in the playoffs ( 1 SB loss) 4 losing season ( 45% losing season percentage) Jerry Reese: (2007-2017) 91-85 (52%) 8-2 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 4 losing seasons (36% losing season percentage) The facts suggest that not to be the case. See, you don't understand, TEM...George Young's 2 Super Bowl wins are attributable to Andy Robustelli. Ernie Accorsi's lack of Super Bowl wins is the fault of George Young. And, of course, Jerry Reese's 2 Super Bowl wins are attributable to Ernie Accorsi. So, in summation... Andy Robustelli and Ernie Accorsi = great GMs. George Young = terrible GM. We'll have to wait until Dave Gettleman's tenure is complete before we can determine whether Jerry Reese was a great GM or a terrible one. If we win 2 Super Bowls while Gettleman is GM, then Reese was great. If we win none under Gettleman, then Reese was terrible. Do you understand now?
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Post by TEM on Jun 27, 2018 7:09:11 GMT -5
Was he now? George Young: (1979-1997) 155-139-2 (52%) 10 -6 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 8 losing seasons (57% losing season percentage ) Ernie Accorsi (1998-2006) 73-71 (51%) 5-9 in the playoffs ( 1 SB loss) 4 losing season ( 45% losing season percentage) Jerry Reese: (2007-2017) 91-85 (52%) 8-2 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 4 losing seasons (36% losing season percentage) The facts suggest that not to be the case. See, you don't understand, TEM...George Young's 2 Super Bowl wins are attributable to Andy Robustelli. Ernie Accorsi's lack of Super Bowl wins is the fault of George Young. And, of course, Jerry Reese's 2 Super Bowl wins are attributable to Ernie Accorsi. So, in summation... Andy Robustelli and Ernie Accorsi = great GMs. George Young = terrible GM. We'll have to wait until Dave Gettleman's tenure is complete before we can determine whether Jerry Reese was a great GM or a terrible one. If we win 2 Super Bowls while Gettleman is GM, then Reese was great. If we win none under Gettleman, then Reese was terrible. Do you understand now? When it is presented from that point of view . That has to be the way it is.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 27, 2018 8:12:43 GMT -5
Most toxic, destructive force in NYG history. Was he now? George Young: (1979-1997) 155-139-2 (52%) 10 -6 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 8 losing seasons (57% losing season percentage ) Ernie Accorsi (1998-2006) 73-71 (51%) 5-9 in the playoffs ( 1 SB loss) 4 losing season ( 45% losing season percentage) Jerry Reese: (2007-2017) 91-85 (52%) 8-2 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 4 losing seasons (36% losing season percentage) The facts suggest that not to be the case. with all do respect the nucleus of those teams were drafted by EA with JR as a contributor and DG as well,as I have said before the QB /OL /pass rush were in place coaching staff also,and if I remember correctly EA left them in decent salary cap situation,I'm not a Reese hater but the coaching staffs demise had more to do with talent then coaching actually that coaching staff beat the better twice in the payoffs and the Super Bowl,the guy did some good things but to me he was like the coordinator who is great at his job but when he got the head coaching job it was just to much for him,think he was a great assistant but really once that nucleus was gone he struggled mightily as a GM,it was at the point of where they were building through free agency there drafts were so bad,to me it's sad a true giant who ended up in over his head,one other point no one ever looks at is young took over a bad team,not as much for accorsi but they weren't a contender yet,JR took over a solid playoff team.
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Post by TEM on Jun 27, 2018 8:56:44 GMT -5
Was he now? George Young: (1979-1997) 155-139-2 (52%) 10 -6 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 8 losing seasons (57% losing season percentage ) Ernie Accorsi (1998-2006) 73-71 (51%) 5-9 in the playoffs ( 1 SB loss) 4 losing season ( 45% losing season percentage) Jerry Reese: (2007-2017) 91-85 (52%) 8-2 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 4 losing seasons (36% losing season percentage) The facts suggest that not to be the case. with all do respect the nucleus of those teams were drafted by EA with JR as a contributor and DG as well,as I have said before the QB /OL /pass rush were in place coaching staff also,and if I remember correctly EA left them in decent salary cap situation,I'm not a Reese hater but the coaching staffs demise had more to do with talent then coaching actually that coaching staff beat the better twice in the payoffs and the Super Bowl,the guy did some good things but to me he was like the coordinator who is great at his job but when he got the head coaching job it was just to much for him,think he was a great assistant but really once that nucleus was gone he struggled mightily as a GM,it was at the point of where they were building through free agency there drafts were so bad,to me it's sad a true giant who ended up in over his head,one other point no one ever looks at is young took over a bad team,not as much for accorsi but they weren't a contender yet,JR took over a solid playoff team. We agree on a lot of thing related to the team . This I do not . George young's 1st 5 seasons . 6-10 1979 4-12 19 80 9-7 ( playoffs) 1981 4-5 1982 3-12 1983 Bill Parcells becomes HC he had 4 more 6-9 1987 (strike year) 1991 Ray Handily 6-10 1992 Dan Reeves (1993) 5-11 1995 6-11 1996. 1997 Jim Fassel So because Reese's built bad teams You should apply the same logic to George Young. He built bad teams? His inconstancy with poor replacement ageing player is the same. (Once the nucleus was gone) Therefore is not worthy of accomplishment accolades. It is the exact premise. Does it prove he could build the core of the team with top 10 1st round draft picks. Yes it does. 1979 pick 7 1980 pick 8 1981 pick 2 1983 pick 10 1984 pick 10. 5 top 10 picks in 6 years. Give him a later picks in the draft and the team becomes mediocre. Does that in any way take away what he did. Not at all
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 27, 2018 11:10:36 GMT -5
Well, don't go by me. I don't know anything about football. Who told you that? moosedrool? Of course. Although he’s just one of a cast of hundreds.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 27, 2018 11:18:36 GMT -5
LOL I never said young was a super GM and he was falling way off after the 90 Super Bowl, also he took over when the team was pretty low and managed to get them on track for a while, all good points and I do agree,don't think we ever had that guy that could stay middle of the pack when it came to the draft consistently,think GY to EA and on to JR they all were killing it or killing the team,to me and may be only me JR seemed to really struggle when it was his time to put his personnel stamp on the team.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 27, 2018 11:42:03 GMT -5
with all do respect the nucleus of those teams were drafted by EA with JR as a contributor and DG as well,as I have said before the QB /OL /pass rush were in place coaching staff also,and if I remember correctly EA left them in decent salary cap situation,I'm not a Reese hater but the coaching staffs demise had more to do with talent then coaching actually that coaching staff beat the better twice in the payoffs and the Super Bowl,the guy did some good things but to me he was like the coordinator who is great at his job but when he got the head coaching job it was just to much for him,think he was a great assistant but really once that nucleus was gone he struggled mightily as a GM,it was at the point of where they were building through free agency there drafts were so bad,to me it's sad a true giant who ended up in over his head,one other point no one ever looks at is young took over a bad team,not as much for accorsi but they weren't a contender yet,JR took over a solid playoff team. We agree on a lot of thing related to the team . This I do not . George young's 1st 5 seasons . 6-10 1979 4-12 19 80 9-7 ( playoffs) 1981 4-5 1982 3-12 1983 Bill Parcells becomes HC he had 4 more 6-9 1987 (strike year) 1991 Ray Handily 6-10 1992 Dan Reeves (1993) 5-11 1995 6-11 1996. 1997 Jim Fassel So because Reese's built bad teams You should apply the same logic to George Young. He built bad teams? His inconstancy with poor replacement ageing player is the same. (Once the nucleus was gone) Therefore is not worthy of accomplishment accolades. It is the exact premise. Does it prove he could build the core of the team with top 10 1st round draft picks. Yes it does. 1979 pick 7 1980 pick 8 1981 pick 2 1983 pick 10 1984 pick 10. 5 top 10 picks in 6 years. Give him a later picks in the draft and the team becomes mediocre. Does that in any way take away what he did. Not at all Never said young was great,and the difference for me is that he came into a rock bottom situation, and with those picks he built a solid nucleus that got them the 2 rings,JR came into a team that was close and with the 07 draft got them over the top,but everything was there for him as I said QB coach OL pass rush,all I'm saying is Young started from scratch JR had a running start,but I do agree young struggled big time probably even before the 90 championship,both GMs had a similar trajectory just when youngs guys got old they were guys he picked and failed to replace JR never really built his own nucleus of giants,when they got old it was between the 4-6 year mark of his tenure,he just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in the draft to get quality guys in here,to revive the franchise,always respect your opinion tho.
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Post by TEM on Jun 27, 2018 11:55:52 GMT -5
We agree on a lot of thing related to the team . This I do not . George young's 1st 5 seasons . 6-10 1979 4-12 19 80 9-7 ( playoffs) 1981 4-5 1982 3-12 1983 Bill Parcells becomes HC he had 4 more 6-9 1987 (strike year) 1991 Ray Handily 6-10 1992 Dan Reeves (1993) 5-11 1995 6-11 1996. 1997 Jim Fassel So because Reese's built bad teams You should apply the same logic to George Young. He built bad teams? His inconstancy with poor replacement ageing player is the same. (Once the nucleus was gone) Therefore is not worthy of accomplishment accolades. It is the exact premise. Does it prove he could build the core of the team with top 10 1st round draft picks. Yes it does. 1979 pick 7 1980 pick 8 1981 pick 2 1983 pick 10 1984 pick 10. 5 top 10 picks in 6 years. Give him a later picks in the draft and the team becomes mediocre. Does that in any way take away what he did. Not at all Never said young was great,and the difference for me is that he came into a rock bottom situation, and with those picks he built a solid nucleus that got them the 2 rings,JR came into a team that was close and with the 07 draft got them over the top,but everything was there for him as I said QB coach OL pass rush,all I'm saying is Young started from scratch JR had a running start,but I do agree young struggled big time probably even before the 90 championship,both GMs had a similar trajectory just when youngs guys got old they were guys he picked and failed to replace JR never really built his own nucleus of giants,when they got old it was between the 4-6 year mark of his tenure,he just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in the draft to get quality guys in here,to revive the franchise,always respect your opinion tho. As I said Reese never had 5 top 10 picks in 6 years. When Young's picks aged. Because he never had that resource again . He was no better the Reese when the picks were mid to latter in the first. In all aspects Reese's win loss record is the same a Young's . In the end both were comparable GMs . Accorsi was not even close. He had 9 years to build a championship team . He never accomplished it . He had some good draft picks but never was able to complete a team that could hoist a trophy.
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Post by TEM on Jun 27, 2018 11:58:50 GMT -5
Never said young was great,and the difference for me is that he came into a rock bottom situation, and with those picks he built a solid nucleus that got them the 2 rings,JR came into a team that was close and with the 07 draft got them over the top,but everything was there for him as I said QB coach OL pass rush,all I'm saying is Young started from scratch JR had a running start,but I do agree young struggled big time probably even before the 90 championship,both GMs had a similar trajectory just when youngs guys got old they were guys he picked and failed to replace JR never really built his own nucleus of giants,when they got old it was between the 4-6 year mark of his tenure,he just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in the draft to get quality guys in here,to revive the franchise,always respect your opinion tho. Just a question if winning 2 is not an example of great. What do you consider to be? what BB did in NE . But he is in a category unto himself. That may never happen again. So baring BB what is your definition great GM? As I said Reese never had 5 top 10 picks in 6 years. When Young's picks aged. Because he never had that resource again . He was no better then Reese with the picks that were mid to latter in the first. In all aspects Reese's win loss record is the same a Young's . In the end both were comparable GMs . Accorsi was not even close. He had 9 years to build a championship team . He never accomplished it . He had some good draft picks but never was able to complete a team that could hoist a trophy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 13:14:13 GMT -5
What's Reese doing anyways? You would think a team would've offered a 2x SB winning GM a blank check by now.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 27, 2018 13:44:07 GMT -5
What's Reese doing anyways? You would think a team would've offered a 2x SB winning GM a blank check by now. Are you rooting for him to be desolate?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 13:55:14 GMT -5
Was he now? George Young: (1979-1997) 155-139-2 (52%) 10 -6 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 8 losing seasons (57% losing season percentage ) Ernie Accorsi (1998-2006) 73-71 (51%) 5-9 in the playoffs ( 1 SB loss) 4 losing season ( 45% losing season percentage) Jerry Reese: (2007-2017) 91-85 (52%) 8-2 in the playoffs (2 SB victories) 4 losing seasons (36% losing season percentage) The facts suggest that not to be the case. ...I'm not a Reese hater but the coaching staffs demise had more to do with talent then coaching... I beg to differ. Coughlin was making TERRIBLE decisions late in games in 2015, and I think that's what ultimately sunk him. I love Coughlin as much as anybody else here, but...he was losing his coaching faculties. It was time for him to move on. I wish we could have retained him in some other capacity, but it was clear that there was bad blood between him and Mara. And, obviously, I wish we had replaced him with someone other than McAdoofus. I thought it was a horrible choice, and he certainly did his best to confirm that notion.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 27, 2018 14:17:21 GMT -5
Well, don't go by me. I don't know anything about football. Who told you that? moosedrool? Well he says that to everyone so I'm pretty sure he didn't exclude Mr. Sarc.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 27, 2018 15:47:34 GMT -5
What's Reese doing anyways? You would think a team would've offered a 2x SB winning GM a blank check by now. Maybe he made plenty of money while working for the Giants and has no desire to get back into an NFL FO. That would be perfectly understandable from my point of view.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 27, 2018 18:57:28 GMT -5
Whooppey Doooo.. that dude set back the franchise a number of years with the last 3-5 drafts and bad FA signings Most toxic, destructive force in NYG history. The most toxic destructive force in NYG history? Uh, no. I think a bullet fired from Plaxico Burress's gun was the most toxic destructive force in NYG history. Stopped a repeat IMO.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 27, 2018 19:01:21 GMT -5
Who told you that? moosedrool? Of course. Although he’s just one of a cast of hundreds. I know it's been said 1,000 times plus, but I do appreciate this place. TAGF has become a place where I've just occasionally stopped in to view the carnage and cattiness at this point. If that's a microcosm of any end of times scenario, it's earned my fear.
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