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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 22, 2019 23:00:13 GMT -5
...During his tenure as coach of the Giants. Don't tell me what you think of him in retrospect.
The truth is Parcells stifled our offense and I was not a fan of it. He literally tied the offense's hands behind their back with his Run - Run - Pass philosophy.
Am I wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 23:05:31 GMT -5
...During his tenure as coach of the Giants. Don't tell me what you think of him in retrospect.
The truth is Parcells stifled our offense and I was not a fan of it. He literally tied the offense's hands behind their back with his Run - Run - Pass philosophy.
Am I wrong?
I think that’s because he knew in fact our WRs weren’t all that great. Remember, most of the passing worth talking about was to our great TE. I think he had almost 70 receptions one year while our receivers had like 30. Also, with all the brutal backs we had we could pound the hell out of DL. Always a fresh set of legs...Run Morris...ok now run Adams...get him out and run Carthon. No salary cap and salaries were much lower. We were stacked!
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 23, 2019 0:29:55 GMT -5
...During his tenure as coach of the Giants. Don't tell me what you think of him in retrospect.
The truth is Parcells stifled our offense and I was not a fan of it. He literally tied the offense's hands behind their back with his Run - Run - Pass philosophy.
Am I wrong?
Ehh Everywhere he has been he had offenses that were pass heavy,even ours from 1984 through 1986,all explosive offenses, His teams adapted to personal,I keep speaking of when we went exclusively to the 12 when Mowatt finally recovered from his knee in the 2nd half of that year and that offense was probably one of the best in the league.. You have to also remember that George Young was kinda dictating direction of the team,he was old school 70s with big,speed was an afterthought,exclusively drafting top picks from "meaty old school conferences ",mainly the big 10. So he was Supplying Parcells witb players that fit that old school style that's what to me inhibited tbe offense starting in 1987.Erheart had to adapt.Mowatt was done by 1988,Howard Cross was not the athlete in the passing game Mowatt was so they lost that dynamic.Megget was tbe outleir for what Young wanted for the team(and strangely enough Parcells publicly bitched about that pick for reasons unknown until he actually got on tbe field. But to me it was more Young stuck in an ancient way of thinking that held the offense back. Remember also,Erhert left with Belichick to go to Cleveland and Parcells hired a young Jim Fassel to be the new OC because he wanted to bring a WCO element to the team,then left after the draft(probably because again Young takes a plodding FB in tbe 1st round that was a bust(Bunch) Look at New England,the Jets when he hot Testaverde and Martin and even Dallas. He wanted an aggressive offense that was balanced but explosive. If you think about it tbe 1988-1999 Giants were actually the outlier in his career for tbe more plodding smashmouth style that was actually more myth witb what we were in his days than reality
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Post by boxcarwillie on Feb 23, 2019 1:50:39 GMT -5
...During his tenure as coach of the Giants. Don't tell me what you think of him in retrospect.
The truth is Parcells stifled our offense and I was not a fan of it. He literally tied the offense's hands behind their back with his Run - Run - Pass philosophy.
Am I wrong?
Traditionally, pounding the run was the natural compliment to a having great defense. Eating up clock, and keeping that great D fresh made things really tough on opponents. Plus, we were really good at running the ball. That sweep to Joe, led by Carthon, was heavy duty stuff. And again, establishing the run would open up the passes to Bavaro, Ingram, Lionel Manuel and Stephen Baker "the touchdown maker". It was complimentary football. As far as Bill himself, I think he had a lot of brass and moxie, and the team reflected that. Great coach, overall. Last thing, he hired some 1st rate assistant coaches.
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Post by Roswell on Feb 23, 2019 3:09:49 GMT -5
...During his tenure as coach of the Giants. Don't tell me what you think of him in retrospect.
The truth is Parcells stifled our offense and I was not a fan of it. He literally tied the offense's hands behind their back with his Run - Run - Pass philosophy.
Am I wrong?
Ehh Everywhere he has been he had offenses that were pass heavy,even ours from 1984 through 1986,all explosive offenses, His teams adapted to personal,I keep speaking of when we went exclusively to the 12 when Mowatt finally recovered from his knee in the 2nd half of that year and that offense was probably one of the best in the league.. You have to also remember that George Young was kinda dictating direction of the team,he was old school 70s with big,speed was an afterthought,exclusively drafting top picks from "meaty old school conferences ",mainly the big 10. So he was Supplying Parcells witb players that fit that old school style that's what to me inhibited tbe offense starting in 1987.Erheart had to adapt.Mowatt was done by 1988,Howard Cross was not the athlete in the passing game Mowatt was so they lost that dynamic.Megget was tbe outleir for what Young wanted for the team(and strangely enough Parcells publicly bitched about that pick for reasons unknown until he actually got on tbe field. But to me it was more Young stuck in an ancient way of thinking that held the offense back. Remember also,Erhert left with Belichick to go to Cleveland and Parcells hired a young Jim Fassel to be the new OC because he wanted to bring a WCO element to the team,then left after the draft(probably because again Young takes a plodding FB in tbe 1st round that was a bust(Bunch) Look at New England,the Jets when he hot Testaverde and Martin and even Dallas. He wanted an aggressive offense that was balanced but explosive. If you think about it tbe 1988-1999 Giants were actually the outlier in his career for tbe more plodding smashmouth style that was actually more myth witb what we were in his days than reality Agree with this but I don’t think Parcells ever hired Fassell as OC. But it was a long time ago and im old so I could be mistaken.
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Post by Roswell on Feb 23, 2019 3:29:07 GMT -5
I was mad when Parcells chose Brunner over Simms. But that was just about the last mistake he made as the Giants HC. He was great at pushing his players buttons, knew when to let his players take charge of the room and was unbelievable at rolling the dice in big spots.
As a fan since ‘64, I’ll always be indebted to him.
I agree with you Rosie with respect to how he would play it close to the vest at times but the team was built to survive the winter, the NFC East and the NFC in general. In those days, the NFC absolutely dominated the AFC. So it’s hard to argue with his philosophies (and results) not only at turning around the Giants but the Pats, Jets and even the Cowboys as well.
I think he let it all go to his head and while he had a great career, he probably would have been even more successful had he stayed with the Giants. He had health concerns at the time so I guess it wasn’t in the cards.
I’m not entirely sure of the timing but I think Parcells may have delayed his decision to “retire” until just after Belichick left for Cleveland leaving the Giants without the option of hiring BB instead of Handley. If that was in any way intentional to somehow stick it to Young (I don’t know), but if it was, that would be pretty screwed up.
Lastly, all things considered, coaching the Cowboys was kind of unforgivable but ultimately I forgive him. 😎
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 23, 2019 6:33:10 GMT -5
Ehh Everywhere he has been he had offenses that were pass heavy,even ours from 1984 through 1986,all explosive offenses, His teams adapted to personal,I keep speaking of when we went exclusively to the 12 when Mowatt finally recovered from his knee in the 2nd half of that year and that offense was probably one of the best in the league.. You have to also remember that George Young was kinda dictating direction of the team,he was old school 70s with big,speed was an afterthought,exclusively drafting top picks from "meaty old school conferences ",mainly the big 10. So he was Supplying Parcells witb players that fit that old school style that's what to me inhibited tbe offense starting in 1987.Erheart had to adapt.Mowatt was done by 1988,Howard Cross was not the athlete in the passing game Mowatt was so they lost that dynamic.Megget was tbe outleir for what Young wanted for the team(and strangely enough Parcells publicly bitched about that pick for reasons unknown until he actually got on tbe field. But to me it was more Young stuck in an ancient way of thinking that held the offense back. Remember also,Erhert left with Belichick to go to Cleveland and Parcells hired a young Jim Fassel to be the new OC because he wanted to bring a WCO element to the team,then left after the draft(probably because again Young takes a plodding FB in tbe 1st round that was a bust(Bunch) Look at New England,the Jets when he hot Testaverde and Martin and even Dallas. He wanted an aggressive offense that was balanced but explosive. If you think about it tbe 1988-1999 Giants were actually the outlier in his career for tbe more plodding smashmouth style that was actually more myth witb what we were in his days than reality Agree with this but I don’t think Parcells ever hired Fassell as OC. But it was a long time ago and im old so I could be mistaken. Parcells resigned for "health"issues a month or two after Bill B left for Cleveland. I don't remember who our next OC was, but I do not believe that it was Fassel. That started a really rough stretch of football for us. Edit: I just looked it up. He was our QB coach in 91 and OC in 92, I guess I simply blacked out those horrible years...
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Post by TEM on Feb 23, 2019 7:24:34 GMT -5
...During his tenure as coach of the Giants. Don't tell me what you think of him in retrospect.
The truth is Parcells stifled our offense and I was not a fan of it. He literally tied the offense's hands behind their back with his Run - Run - Pass philosophy.
Am I wrong?
He won 2 with that philosophical approach to football. If he held the offense back in doing so is irrelevant. The 2 trophies are a testament to his ideals on how the game should be played.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 7:39:28 GMT -5
...During his tenure as coach of the Giants. Don't tell me what you think of him in retrospect.
The truth is Parcells stifled our offense and I was not a fan of it. He literally tied the offense's hands behind their back with his Run - Run - Pass philosophy.
Am I wrong?
Ehh Everywhere he has been he had offenses that were pass heavy,even ours from 1984 through 1986,all explosive offenses, His teams adapted to personal,I keep speaking of when we went exclusively to the 12 when Mowatt finally recovered from his knee in the 2nd half of that year and that offense was probably one of the best in the league.. You have to also remember that George Young was kinda dictating direction of the team,he was old school 70s with big,speed was an afterthought,exclusively drafting top picks from "meaty old school conferences ",mainly the big 10. So he was Supplying Parcells witb players that fit that old school style that's what to me inhibited tbe offense starting in 1987.Erheart had to adapt.Mowatt was done by 1988,Howard Cross was not the athlete in the passing game Mowatt was so they lost that dynamic.Megget was tbe outleir for what Young wanted for the team(and strangely enough Parcells publicly bitched about that pick for reasons unknown until he actually got on tbe field. But to me it was more Young stuck in an ancient way of thinking that held the offense back. Remember also,Erhert left with Belichick to go to Cleveland and Parcells hired a young Jim Fassel to be the new OC because he wanted to bring a WCO element to the team,then left after the draft(probably because again Young takes a plodding FB in tbe 1st round that was a bust(Bunch) Look at New England,the Jets when he hot Testaverde and Martin and even Dallas. He wanted an aggressive offense that was balanced but explosive. If you think about it tbe 1988-1999 Giants were actually the outlier in his career for tbe more plodding smashmouth style that was actually more myth witb what we were in his days than reality I kinda thought Cross was better than Mowatt.
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Post by Delicreep on Feb 23, 2019 8:13:16 GMT -5
...During his tenure as coach of the Giants. Don't tell me what you think of him in retrospect.
The truth is Parcells stifled our offense and I was not a fan of it. He literally tied the offense's hands behind their back with his Run - Run - Pass philosophy.
Am I wrong?
I think he managed the clock more than trying to limit the offense. He really played to our strengths more than anything. Still, I hear what you are saying, and he certainly made the O less exciting or dynamic than they could have been had he just wanted to go that way - there was enough talent there.
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 23, 2019 8:13:55 GMT -5
Ehh Everywhere he has been he had offenses that were pass heavy,even ours from 1984 through 1986,all explosive offenses, His teams adapted to personal,I keep speaking of when we went exclusively to the 12 when Mowatt finally recovered from his knee in the 2nd half of that year and that offense was probably one of the best in the league.. You have to also remember that George Young was kinda dictating direction of the team,he was old school 70s with big,speed was an afterthought,exclusively drafting top picks from "meaty old school conferences ",mainly the big 10. So he was Supplying Parcells witb players that fit that old school style that's what to me inhibited tbe offense starting in 1987.Erheart had to adapt.Mowatt was done by 1988,Howard Cross was not the athlete in the passing game Mowatt was so they lost that dynamic.Megget was tbe outleir for what Young wanted for the team(and strangely enough Parcells publicly bitched about that pick for reasons unknown until he actually got on tbe field. But to me it was more Young stuck in an ancient way of thinking that held the offense back. Remember also,Erhert left with Belichick to go to Cleveland and Parcells hired a young Jim Fassel to be the new OC because he wanted to bring a WCO element to the team,then left after the draft(probably because again Young takes a plodding FB in tbe 1st round that was a bust(Bunch) Look at New England,the Jets when he hot Testaverde and Martin and even Dallas. He wanted an aggressive offense that was balanced but explosive. If you think about it tbe 1988-1999 Giants were actually the outlier in his career for tbe more plodding smashmouth style that was actually more myth witb what we were in his days than reality I kinda thought Cross was better than Mowatt. Cross was a phenomenal blocker. He really was like having a 6th O Lineman. Allowed him to have a nice career overall. I was a big fan, still smile when I see in on TV. Pretty much had hands of stone though. I think Mowatt was a better all around tight end though.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 23, 2019 8:41:19 GMT -5
Think its where we got the term "Giants football"......right
I never thought he stifled anything but then again I probably wasnt lookign at it from that perspective.
I liked him as a coach.....two great SB wins and had Simms almost perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 9:35:48 GMT -5
Think its where we got the term "Giants football"......right I never thought he stifled anything but then again I probably wasnt lookign at it from that perspective. I liked him as a coach.....two great SB wins and had Simms almost perfect. I don’t think I ever saw another team that stacked at the RB position before. After Morris, Carthon, Anderson, Adams, and Galbreath came Hampton, Tillman, Rouson, Meggett. My all time favorites. I can still remember the rosters. They were all I thought about when I was a kid. It’s hard to lose when you got fresh sets of legs in rotation like that. Can you imagine what a team like that would cost these days? You will never see it again. Never.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Feb 23, 2019 10:03:11 GMT -5
...During his tenure as coach of the Giants. Don't tell me what you think of him in retrospect. The truth is Parcells stifled our offense and I was not a fan of it. He literally tied the offense's hands behind their back with his Run - Run - Pass philosophy. Am I wrong?
Ehh Everywhere he has been he had offenses that were pass heavy,even ours from 1984 through 1986,all explosive offenses, His teams adapted to personal,I keep speaking of when we went exclusively to the 12 when Mowatt finally recovered from his knee in the 2nd half of that year and that offense was probably one of the best in the league.. You have to also remember that George Young was kinda dictating direction of the team,he was old school 70s with big,speed was an afterthought,exclusively drafting top picks from "meaty old school conferences ",mainly the big 10. So he was Supplying Parcells witb players that fit that old school style that's what to me inhibited tbe offense starting in 1987.Erheart had to adapt.Mowatt was done by 1988,Howard Cross was not the athlete in the passing game Mowatt was so they lost that dynamic.Megget was tbe outleir for what Young wanted for the team(and strangely enough Parcells publicly bitched about that pick for reasons unknown until he actually got on tbe field. But to me it was more Young stuck in an ancient way of thinking that held the offense back. Remember also,Erhert left with Belichick to go to Cleveland and Parcells hired a young Jim Fassel to be the new OC because he wanted to bring a WCO element to the team,then left after the draft(probably because again Young takes a plodding FB in tbe 1st round that was a bust(Bunch) Look at New England,the Jets when he hot Testaverde and Martin and even Dallas. He wanted an aggressive offense that was balanced but explosive. If you think about it tbe 1988-1999 Giants were actually the outlier in his career for tbe more plodding smashmouth style that was actually more myth witb what we were in his days than reality I think this response is reflective of my own thoughts. The only point of slight contention is the idea of Young being "stuck" in the 70s. The philosophy worked until the early 90s. I think it is up in the air/hard to say if it only worked because Parcells made it work despite being too old school. This discussion of Parcell's choices regarding Xs and Os, and the subsequent success of Belichick makes me think his real strength during his tenure with us was recognizing and developing talent on and off the field. I really wonder how things would have gone if BB stayed in house. Maybe he needed to have his ass handed to him in Cleveland?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 23, 2019 10:17:48 GMT -5
I remember Parcells teams big and strong offense and a great hard hitting defense. I loved the macho persona of the team. but I always felt that the offense held back Phil Simms from becoming a great QB. Simms greatest throw was the 4th down completion vs Minnesota for a first down. Or we don't even go to the playoffs to win our first SB. And of course Simms performance in the SB.
Sorry to get sidetracked but Morris running behind that great O line was so thrilling to me. The 2 TE offense worked so well. The team reflected Parcells tough guy attitude.
But George Young and Bill clashed constantly on the draft. But together they built one great tough football team. And Parcells made it work.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 23, 2019 10:31:57 GMT -5
I kinda thought Cross was better than Mowatt. Cross was a phenomenal blocker. He really was like having a 6th O Lineman. Allowed him to have a nice career overall. I was a big fan, still smile when I see in on TV. Pretty much had hands of stone though. I think Mowatt was a better all around tight end though. If Mowatt doesn't blow out his knee in the preseason in 1985,they probably go to the 12 that year because Mowatt basicly was a clone of Bavaro,even when not being quite the same when he came back in 1986(but still a dominant player) Now you have 2 players exactly like that in their primes.They probably have a legit shot against the Bears that year,if anything they probably win the East and maybe a home field game. He actually was trying to replicate this in Dallas when he drafted Fasano to compliment Whitten....we need to thank whatever omnipresent sky daddy we all worship that for whatever reason Fasano never panned out because those 2,Barber,Jones,then TO and Glenn,that would have been an impossible team to defend
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Post by TEM on Feb 23, 2019 10:35:19 GMT -5
Ehh Everywhere he has been he had offenses that were pass heavy,even ours from 1984 through 1986,all explosive offenses, His teams adapted to personal,I keep speaking of when we went exclusively to the 12 when Mowatt finally recovered from his knee in the 2nd half of that year and that offense was probably one of the best in the league.. You have to also remember that George Young was kinda dictating direction of the team,he was old school 70s with big,speed was an afterthought,exclusively drafting top picks from "meaty old school conferences ",mainly the big 10. So he was Supplying Parcells witb players that fit that old school style that's what to me inhibited tbe offense starting in 1987.Erheart had to adapt.Mowatt was done by 1988,Howard Cross was not the athlete in the passing game Mowatt was so they lost that dynamic.Megget was tbe outleir for what Young wanted for the team(and strangely enough Parcells publicly bitched about that pick for reasons unknown until he actually got on tbe field. But to me it was more Young stuck in an ancient way of thinking that held the offense back. Remember also,Erhert left with Belichick to go to Cleveland and Parcells hired a young Jim Fassel to be the new OC because he wanted to bring a WCO element to the team,then left after the draft(probably because again Young takes a plodding FB in tbe 1st round that was a bust(Bunch) Look at New England,the Jets when he hot Testaverde and Martin and even Dallas. He wanted an aggressive offense that was balanced but explosive. If you think about it tbe 1988-1999 Giants were actually the outlier in his career for tbe more plodding smashmouth style that was actually more myth witb what we were in his days than reality I kinda thought Cross was better than Mowatt. Mowatt was better at showing his junk to female reporters.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 23, 2019 10:45:08 GMT -5
While it did work when they went more conservative and close to the best 1988-1990,man they were often playing with fire. Trying to win games 13-10 also meant that the team had to play near perfect football the entire game and mistake free,because one slip up,a bad 10 minutes of momentum and the team was done. Notice in that time period that most of our losses were one sided/blow outs? Because the team had no capacity to come back from a deficit larger than 10 points,and when they couldnt ground and pound and tbe other team was scoring it was often over by halftime. And playing like this even back then left the team open to having the officials decide the game,tbe flipper Anderson playoff game a prime example.
Personally I believe the 86 team at the end of the year was exactly the type of team Parcells wanted and the style of play he wanted.Agressive both sides of the ball,taking risks(look how many trick plays and fake punts/kicks in that season)because he knew his defense would be there and he knee he had an offense to recover and make up for a mistake,which gave him confidence to be agressive.
Tbe 89-90s teams he had to be more cautious,though the fake punt was a read and the team kinds was desperate because they couldnt move the ball that well,those risks were few and far between
And to counter the conservative offense compliments a great defense argument Tbe 49ers in the 80s had probably close to as good a defense all decade long as the Giants on a consistent basis(that classic Championship game,those were the 2 best defenses in the league ). But what the 49ers did was kick a team repeatedly in the nuts on offense while have their defense shut tbe opponents down,then force them into passing against their pass rush and secondary That's what they did to Marino,their defense actually won the game against Cincy the second time, The 86 team in a way was a lot like those 49er teams in that the Giants did the same thing,get up out in front,keep kicking in tbe nuts,while the pass rush made life miserable for tbe opponents offense.
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 23, 2019 11:19:10 GMT -5
pounding the run for 3 quarters and then win it in the 4th quarter, that was the old coaches way of playing the game, you can't do it that way anymore because of the prima donna players in the game today....
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Feb 23, 2019 11:19:31 GMT -5
Parcells knew football, talent analysis, scheme and players better than most in the history of the sport. His only true failed season was 83 when he tried it some other way than what he truly believed. I have read his unauthorized biography and it's full of great stuff. Look at his personal success, his coaching tree and the respect of his former players and look no further. Also don't forget that when Simms play was the only thing threatening to ruin the 86' season that Parcells doubled down on him and told him to get out there and take some chances, damned the consequences. I was younger, but even then I loved that BP was our coach and knew his departure was a severe blow to the organization. I have no doubt that the decisions he made back then were about maximizing the results with the talent we had.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 11:24:45 GMT -5
While it did work when they went more conservative and close to the best 1988-1990,man they were often playing with fire. Trying to win games 13-10 also meant that the team had to play near perfect football the entire game and mistake free,because one slip up,a bad 10 minutes of momentum and the team was done. Notice in that time period that most of our losses were one sided/blow outs? Because the team had no capacity to come back from a deficit larger than 10 points,and when they couldnt ground and pound and tbe other team was scoring it was often over by halftime. And playing like this even back then left the team open to having the officials decide the game,tbe flipper Anderson playoff game a prime example. Personally I believe the 86 team at the end of the year was exactly the type of team Parcells wanted and the style of play he wanted.Agressive both sides of the ball,taking risks(look how many trick plays and fake punts/kicks in that season)because he knew his defense would be there and he knee he had an offense to recover and make up for a mistake,which gave him confidence to be agressive. Tbe 89-90s teams he had to be more cautious,though the fake punt was a read and the team kinds was desperate because they couldnt move the ball that well,those risks were few and far between And to counter the conservative offense compliments a great defense argument Tbe 49ers in the 80s had probably close to as good a defense all decade long as the Giants on a consistent basis(that classic Championship game,those were the 2 best defenses in the league ). But what the 49ers did was kick a team repeatedly in the nuts on offense while have their defense shut tbe opponents down,then force them into passing against their pass rush and secondary That's what they did to Marino,their defense actually won the game against Cincy the second time, The 86 team in a way was a lot like those 49er teams in that the Giants did the same thing,get up out in front,keep kicking in tbe nuts,while the pass rush made life miserable for tbe opponents offense. Kind of goes back to what I mentioned earlier about our WRs. Our boys didn’t get huge separation that often. Average to sometimes below average. We didn’t really have huge passing gains without the use of Bavaro until Ingram came. And Odessa Turner was good for it until he got hurt.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 23, 2019 11:26:11 GMT -5
I kinda thought Cross was better than Mowatt. Cross was a phenomenal blocker. He really was like having a 6th O Lineman. Allowed him to have a nice career overall. I was a big fan, still smile when I see in on TV. Pretty much had hands of stone though. I think Mowatt was a better all around tight end though. Cross was an awful receiver. I still recall him alone in the back of the end zone for a potential game winner over the Steelers and the ball bouncing right off his hands. Great Blocker, but you had to be able to catch as a TE in that offense. Great blocker though. Remember Derek Brown?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 11:52:43 GMT -5
Cross was a phenomenal blocker. He really was like having a 6th O Lineman. Allowed him to have a nice career overall. I was a big fan, still smile when I see in on TV. Pretty much had hands of stone though. I think Mowatt was a better all around tight end though. Cross was an awful receiver. I still recall him alone in the back of the end zone for a potential game winner over the Steelers and the ball bouncing right off his hands. Great Blocker, but you had to be able to catch as a TE in that offense. Great blocker though. Remember Derek Brown? Now he stunk.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 23, 2019 11:52:56 GMT -5
Cross was a phenomenal blocker. He really was like having a 6th O Lineman. Allowed him to have a nice career overall. I was a big fan, still smile when I see in on TV. Pretty much had hands of stone though. I think Mowatt was a better all around tight end though. Cross was an awful receiver. I still recall him alone in the back of the end zone for a potential game winner over the Steelers and the ball bouncing right off his hands. Great Blocker, but you had to be able to catch as a TE in that offense. Great blocker though. Remember Derek Brown? Probably the worst 1st round pick we had in the past 30 years, Funny we also took the other D Brown that year in the Supemetal draft,so we didn't have a 1st round pick after a 6-10 year. Between those 2 picks and Jarrod Bunch(the pick ybag pretty much made Parcells leave)..that's how you run an organization into the ground.
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Post by arrjay on Mar 2, 2019 1:31:08 GMT -5
Tuna was just giving his team the best chance to win, based on the personnel at his disposal.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 2, 2019 17:47:22 GMT -5
Best head coach in franchise history. He fitted what a NY Giants head coach was. Tough, a leader, and a winner.
I don't get into how he left the franchise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 18:24:13 GMT -5
i loved him , loved how the players loved and also respected him, he had a great balance in the coach player relationship. he never took any crap and didnt put any player on a pedestal . Even simms got the business if he wasnt performing right . but the again i was 12
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Post by giantsalmon on Mar 25, 2019 7:42:36 GMT -5
Cross was an awful receiver. I still recall him alone in the back of the end zone for a potential game winner over the Steelers and the ball bouncing right off his hands. Great Blocker, but you had to be able to catch as a TE in that offense. Great blocker though. Remember Derek Brown? Notre Dame? Yes. Later there was another TE bust, Travis Beckham. I think it's obvious that much of what Parcells instilled in his teams was used by BB and TC. Football IQ is still a priority to BB, and a guy like Gary Reasons would have been on any of their rosters.
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Post by Parademon1 on Mar 25, 2019 9:54:04 GMT -5
80s Giants didn't put much stock in the WR position back in the BP era. smashmouth football via the run & punishing D was the Giants way of winning games back then. You can only do that now if you don't have selfish "me' players that only worry bout their personal stats & could care less if they win or lose.
I think DG is cleaning house of as many diva "me 1st" players as he can. All current & future Giants players have been put on notice that if the Giants will get rid of their best player of the past 5 yrs in OBJ, they'll get rid of any of em.
BP was a master of playing head games with individual players & how to get them pissed off enough to take it out on their opponent. After a game vs SF in which the O was held to 13 rushing yds, he nicknamed the OL "club 13" for the rest of the yr & once they played the 9ers again in the playoffs, OL proceeded to pummel them for over 200+ rushing yds in a route.
Nowadays if a HC rags on his OL, they'll go grab their blankets & binkies & sulk in the corner & demand a trade. BP wouldn't have put up with Flowers for more than half a season before benching him, 1st rounder be damned! You either did your job or he would bench your sorry ass! In today's game, way too many HCs lack the gonads to do that for fear of hurting the players little feelings.
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