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Post by Sarcasman on May 15, 2020 18:28:41 GMT -5
Agree to disagree about the value returned in Odell being traded. As my thread pointed out the other day, Odell was easily the best WR we ever had. 3 of his seasons here were top 10 seasons all time for a WR for the Giants. It was completely mismanaged. "I didnt just give him an extension to trade him." I would expect 2 first rounders for a player of his caliber. Or at least 1 top 10. We paid him $14m to play for the Browns last year by the way. I still can’t understand trading ODB particularly when it was DG plan all along to bring in a rookie QB One year after trading him. Of course DG may think that not only one of the top WR but also top football players in NFL wouldn’t help a rookie QB confidence. I don't see a top 10-15 WR making much difference frankly. They aren't that hard to find. I do recall reading something a few years back that implied the Giants wanted to move Beckham before getting a new QB because they believed he'd be bad for kid's development. Like, I don't know.... he'd throw tantrums on the sidelines when he didn't get the ball or some ridiculous, childish nonsense like that.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 15, 2020 18:31:56 GMT -5
I still can’t understand trading ODB particularly when it was DG plan all along to bring in a rookie QB One year after trading him. Of course DG may think that not only one of the top WR but also top football players in NFL wouldn’t help a rookie QB confidence. I don't see a top 10-15 WR making much difference frankly. They aren't that hard to find. I do recall reading something a few years back that implied the Giants wanted to move Beckham before getting a new QB because they believed he'd be bad for kid's development. Like, I don't know.... he'd throw tantrums on the sidelines when he didn't get the ball or some ridiculous, childish nonsense like that. Absolutely. I actually said this a few years ago. Get rid of the cancer before the QB comes in. Find a WR in the draft who isnt a whiny diva.
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Post by mj312 on May 15, 2020 18:52:51 GMT -5
Understandable...now help me take the leap that it was DG that he didn't want any part of. If he had an offer for 60 million AND personnel control from the Panthers, doesn't it make sense for him to ask the same of the Giants? you're wasting your time looking for common sense from some people on this board, kind of looks like some people just don't like DG no matter how much he accomplishes.... He's 9-23 as the giants GM so far and season 3 isn't looking so good . How else should we judge him other then his record ?
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Post by DandyDon on May 15, 2020 23:40:16 GMT -5
you're wasting your time looking for common sense from some people on this board, kind of looks like some people just don't like DG no matter how much he accomplishes.... He's 9-23 as the giants GM so far and season 3 isn't looking so good . How else should we judge him other then his record ? How is season 3 not looking good? Do you have a crystal ball?
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Post by Sarcasman on May 16, 2020 11:57:10 GMT -5
I don't see a top 10-15 WR making much difference frankly. They aren't that hard to find. I do recall reading something a few years back that implied the Giants wanted to move Beckham before getting a new QB because they believed he'd be bad for kid's development. Like, I don't know.... he'd throw tantrums on the sidelines when he didn't get the ball or some ridiculous, childish nonsense like that. That’s a good point as well and would hold more water but DG subsequently brought in and overpaid a WR in Golden Tate that was punched in his mouth by another player because he had sex with QB wife and was traded off that team because of it. When Golden Tate got here he missed first four games of 2019 NFL Regular season due to failed drug test for performance enhancing drugs. What does that have to do with Beckham's behavior? I don;t see the two as even remotely comparable. Nor are they from a talent perspective. Beckham has the potential to be great. Tate never has and never will be IMO.
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Post by snyder55 on May 16, 2020 15:00:10 GMT -5
you're wasting your time looking for common sense from some people on this board, kind of looks like some people just don't like DG no matter how much he accomplishes.... He's 9-23 as the giants GM so far and season 3 isn't looking so good . How else should we judge him other then his record ? I guess you might start to judge him by the shit show he inherited from Jerry Reese and how hard he is trying to fix it, remember you can't fail if you never try..
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Post by Sarcasman on May 16, 2020 19:09:23 GMT -5
What does that have to do with Beckham's behavior? I don;t see the two as even remotely comparable. Nor are they from a talent perspective. Beckham has the potential to be great. Tate never has and never will be IMO. What it is being used to demonstrate is that DG tends to claim one thing and do another. If there was such a “culture” and behavior” problem with ODB and that’s why ODB was traded then it makes no sense to bring in someone that has far worse “behavior” and deracinates good locker room “culture” even further. I understand what you mean, I don't agree with that. A mature team with veteran leadership can manage a volatile prima donna like Beckham. The Giants are not that team. He's a tremendous talent so he's allowed to be a prima donna and that disrupts young teams. Plus having him isn;'t not making an y difference to your overall record. So, what's the upside? Tate isn't disrupting anything and if he does, cut him. He's not a tremendous talent like Beckham is. Beckham is a totally different case from Tate, IMO.
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Post by TEM on May 17, 2020 8:22:52 GMT -5
you're wasting your time looking for common sense from some people on this board, kind of looks like some people just don't like DG no matter how much he accomplishes.... What has DG accomplished for NY Giants? George Young went 10 and 22 his 1st two years as the Giants GM. Yet he put 2 in the case. DG is 9 and 23 almost identical records. It took Young 3 years to build a playoff team and 7 years as GM build a base team that could win it all. He did not have to deal with salrey cap or a lock down. I am just glad the pitch forkers did not have the access to a bully pulpit as they do now. We most likely would not have had the opportunity to have seen what George Young would have accomplished.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 8:45:53 GMT -5
George Young went 10 and 22 his 1st two years as the Giants GM. Yet he put 2 in the case. DG is 9 and 23 almost identical records. It took Young 3 years to build a playoff team and 7 years as GM build a base team that could win it all. He did not have to deal with salrey cap or a lock down. I am just glad the pitch forkers did not have the access to a bully pulpit as they do now. We most likely would not have had the opportunity to have seen what George Young would have accomplished. Nice rant but what about the question. What he DG accomplished as GM of NY Giants? 9 wins and hopefully a franchise QB..
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Post by TEM on May 17, 2020 9:30:35 GMT -5
George Young went 10 and 22 his 1st two years as the Giants GM. Yet he put 2 in the case. DG is 9 and 23 almost identical records. It took Young 3 years to build a playoff team and 7 years as GM build a base team that could win it all. He did not have to deal with salrey cap or a lock down. I am just glad the pitch forkers did not have the access to a bully pulpit as they do now. We most likely would not have had the opportunity to have seen what George Young would have accomplished. Nice rant but what about the question. What he DG accomplished as GM of NY Giants? Not a rant and you failed get the point. It is not a switch flip with two positions. It takes time to build a team. Usually more than 2 seasons. Why do you think it should have been after 2 seasons.
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Post by TEM on May 17, 2020 13:06:36 GMT -5
Not a rant and you failed get the point. It is not a switch flip with two positions. It takes time to build a team. Usually more than 2 seasons. Why do you think it should have been after 2 seasons. Still haven't answered the question but I'll answer yours. The least that should've been accomplished was to go along the path that DG stated he was committed to and he hasn't done that at all. Claimed "committing to winning with Eli" as well as "its Eli job to lose" etc., that wasn't the case at all. DG wasn't committed to winning with Eli and although I don't really care that he lied to media and fans so much in that he lied to Eli. The most successful QB in history of NY Giants but DG flat out lies to him and the fans get to see Eli being a backup. We've seen back in the day with Phil and it wasn't good then and it wasn't good in 2019 with. I had no problem with just flat out releasing Eli if the goal was to draft the next QB which it obviously wasn't. We could've saved the salary and signed a different player to help the team. The claims of changing culture and getting rid of players that were toxic and bringing in players to fix that. Well. That didn't happen. DG got rid of some toxic players but also got rid of excellent players that were positive and then DG subsequently turned around and brought in players that were far were far or toxic and deracinated the culture. Two prime examples are Golden Tate and Deandre Baker. The record was already known and out as to the type of miserable human being that Golden Tate is and it was no surprise when he came here and tested hot for drug violation. We now find out that DG was warned about Deandre Baker yet still decided to give up a 2nd, 4th and 5th to move up to draft him. Now, we did have a lot of picks so I can understand there is some leeway to be extravagant to get what you want but theres a reason all those other teams passed on him. If we weren't "committed" to winning with Eli then we should've traded out of the #2 and not drafted Saquon. Heck, even if we were "committed" to winning with Eli, still trade out of it. I was big on Quentin Nelson back then and trading out of that #2 would've gotten us Quentin and RB Nick Chubb. Theres no knock on Saquon and he's going to do great things for NY Giants and although I'm okay with the pick and think DG drafted Saquon in part because he's as close to a sure thing as one can get and it was DG 1st NY Giants GM Draft I think using #2 on a RB was ridiculous. It's clear Daniel Jones can play QB in NFL but I don't think he warranted the #6 pick. I'm not going to go into the pros and cons of DJ because that's going to take the thread another way and thats not my intention. What I am going to go on about is that I really wanted to pick DE Josh Allen and if we'd have taken him at #6 and DG were set to take a QB and DJ wasn't available later, we could've easily have taken Drew Locke in 2nd round. In putting together a team lets look at what we took- Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley. Lets look at what we basically gave up by taking them- Drew Locke, Nick Chubb, Josh Allen and Quentin Nelson. Not very good work by a GM thats supposed to be the "smartest" person in the room. IMO DG hasn't accomplished much so far and the path he wants to take this team is something I don't think he's either clear on or fully committed to. What I do like is that DG can walk away from a mistake quickly, we've seen this with letting players go that he signed when they didn't perform up to standard. I love the acquisition of Judge and Garrett. From what we've seen so far, its easy for me to state that I really like Judge and I'm optimistic about him as our HC. I'm not qualified to go over his time as an assistant in how that qualifies him for HC but I do have a good feeling about Judge so far and I'm mainly going on my feelings a trynd I will openly admit that. I have always liked the way Jason Garrett conducts himself and have always been a fan of what he does with Offense. From what I understand he had huge say in putting together that brick wall of an OnLine he had in Dallas Cowboys and the rest of the Offense as well. I think JG is going to do wonders with this O and I'm looking forward to it. Nonetheless, from what I understand is that Mara and Tisch hire the HC and DG just has a little input on that. Maybe moving forward we will look good but so far I don't think DG has accomplished anything and in this day of quick turnarounds for NFL teams he has actually wasted two years. Another big one is that DG traded away one of the best doggone football players on the planet when he got rid of ODB. I guess having such a passion for wanting to win and making Giants Stadium a fun, intense place instead of the catacomb it usually is doesn't jive with DG idea of culture. You are saying a plan has to be adhered to and can't be adjusted? If you say so. George Young had the same problems in his first 2 years. He looked worse .His first round Qb (Phil Simms) was benched in year 2 .Replaced with a rookie 6th round pick. To answer your question. If Young had the latitude to allow his vision of what he wants to do time to develop . He proved or accomplished nothing in 1 year or 2. lt looked like he flubbed horribly on the choice of his franchise QB. If George Young gets that kind of leeway to keep on his path . Gettleman should be allowed to do the same.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 13:30:36 GMT -5
9 wins and hopefully a franchise QB.. Basically little to nothing. A franchise QB is way more important than you are giving credit for it.
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Post by Sarcasman on May 17, 2020 17:50:21 GMT -5
I understand what you mean, I don't agree with that. A mature team with veteran leadership can manage a volatile prima donna like Beckham. The Giants are not that team. He's a tremendous talent so he's allowed to be a prima donna and that disrupts young teams. Plus having him isn;'t not making an y difference to your overall record. So, what's the upside? Tate isn't disrupting anything and if he does, cut him. He's not a tremendous talent like Beckham is. Beckham is a totally different case from Tate, IMO. Culture is culture. Being suspended four games due to drug violation is disruptive for that culture. What type of message did Tate send the younger players when Tate was suspended for testing positive for drugs? I see your point, I just don't agree with it. I think you're being too binary. In the Beckham the Giants had a chance to get out from under a bloated contract and get back real value. They took that opportunity. I don't fault them for it at all.
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Post by TEM on May 17, 2020 20:18:39 GMT -5
You are saying a plan has to be adhered to and can't be adjusted? If you say so. George Young had the same problems in his first 2 years. He looked worse .His first round Qb (Phil Simms) was benched in year 2 .Replaced with a rookie 6th round pick. To answer your question. If Young had the latitude to allow his vision of what he wants to do time to develop . He proved or accomplished nothing in 1 year or 2. lt looked like he flubbed horribly on the choice of his franchise QB. If George Yo ung gets that kind of leeway to keep on his path . Gettleman should be allowed to do the same. Phil was a second year QB that hadn’t done anything of note yet for the team and his salary wasn’t a big hit. Eli had won 2 SuperBowls and conducted himself impeccably when DG told the masses “were committed to win with Eli” when he obviously wasn’t. Cutting and Eli and saving his salary would’ve been nice as would some direct honesty to Eli as well because Eli deserved that. Not going to compare DG and George Young. The point is that it appears DG doesn’t have a clear cut vision or just isn’t committed to the vision. Going all over the place. Why Uncle Bill does over in NE is to augment, adjust and repair the doctrine when it deviates so the team can win and it works because Uncle Bill is clear on why he wants and how he wants it and that’s not the case with DG because DG is just scattered all over the place and some of the decisions ar whirring the team. If you do not compare them. Then the standard you are holding DG to is based upon a bias notion.
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Post by Sarcasman on May 17, 2020 20:26:08 GMT -5
I see your point, I just don't agree with it. I think you're being too binary. In the Beckham the Giants had a chance to get out from under a bloated contract and get back real value. They took that opportunity. I don't fault them for it at all. We still ate $14 million of ODB salary last year. Golden Tate contract was way to high for what he is. Currently that's far more true of Beckham's contract than Tate's. But it doesn't matter, it ain't our money. There's no doubt the Giants ate some of Beckham's contract. That's the issue with their multi layered FO, ideally they would have all been on the same page before re-signinig him. Nonetheless, they got out from under it and they moved on.
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Post by TEM on May 17, 2020 20:26:43 GMT -5
You are saying a plan has to be adhered to and can't be adjusted? If you say so. George Young had the same problems in his first 2 years. He looked worse .His first round Qb (Phil Simms) was benched in year 2 .Replaced with a rookie 6th round pick. To answer your question. If Young had the latitude to allow his vision of what he wants to do time to develop . He proved or accomplished nothing in 1 year or 2. lt looked like he flubbed horribly on the choice of his franchise QB. If George Young gets that kind of leeway to keep on his path . Gettleman should be allowed to do the same. No. Thats not what I'm stating. What I'm stating is that at this time DG hasn't accomplished much at all. I'm also stating that judging by his actions DG may either not know what he wants or doesn't understand how to go about implementing the proper steps to acquire those things. Either one is a serious issue. Neither did George Young in his first 2 seasons. He went on to put 2 in the case. George also had an appearance of being unsure of what he was trying to do.
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Post by TEM on May 17, 2020 20:30:12 GMT -5
You are saying a plan has to be adhered to and can't be adjusted? If you say so. George Young had the same problems in his first 2 years. He looked worse .His first round Qb (Phil Simms) was benched in year 2 .Replaced with a rookie 6th round pick. To answer your question. If Young had the latitude to allow his vision of what he wants to do time to develop . He proved or accomplished nothing in 1 year or 2. lt looked like he flubbed horribly on the choice of his franchise QB. If George Young gets that kind of leeway to keep on his path . Gettleman should be allowed to do the same. Once again, you're not answering the question but thats okay. I did answer your question. If you believe or not .It takes more then 1 season to right 6 years of bad team building. It seems you are omitting that fact.
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Post by Morehead State on May 17, 2020 22:40:05 GMT -5
No. Thats not what I'm stating. What I'm stating is that at this time DG hasn't accomplished much at all. I'm also stating that judging by his actions DG may either not know what he wants or doesn't understand how to go about implementing the proper steps to acquire those things. Either one is a serious issue. Neither did George Young in his first 2 seasons. He went on to put 2 in the case. George also had an appearance of being unsure of what he was trying to do. No salary cap, no free agency. Much harder and time consuming to rebuild back then.
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Post by TEM on May 18, 2020 8:19:23 GMT -5
Neither did George Young in his first 2 seasons. He went on to put 2 in the case. George also had an appearance of being unsure of what he was trying to do. No salary cap, no free agency. Much harder and time consuming to rebuild back then. How does no salary cap make it harder? No FA? How did the Giants sign Brad Benson, Kenny Hill? I can name more that were FAs signed by George Young as FA.
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Post by TEM on May 18, 2020 8:22:49 GMT -5
If you do not compare them. Then the standard you are holding DG to is based upon a bias notion. NFL is run far differently now. That is a false statement. The GMs role has not changed. If anything Gettleman's job is harder. He has a salrey cap, contend with social media , 24 hour press. Young chose the HC without interference from the owners. Ran differently no. More things to deal with yes.
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Post by TEM on May 18, 2020 9:06:16 GMT -5
That is a false statement. The GMs role has not changed. If anything Gettleman's job is harder. He has a salrey cap, contend with social media , 24 hour press. Young chose the HC without interference from the owners. Ran differently no. More things to deal with yes. It’s a true statement and you verify that in your very response. Salary cap, free agency rule changes, hiring practices and requirements, etc. there’s an entirely different dynamic and it’s run differently because of it. If it weren’t run differently due to mitigating factors and evolving trends then it would be a failed business, which NFL most certainly is not and RG1 whatever people will state about him has a heck of an excellent mind for business. Due to FA we’ve seen much quicker turnarounds on teams. Free agency did exist in George Young's era. I already proved that. We both agree the NFL has changed. How has the GM role changed and made it easier? I think that is what you are calming. Leave FA out because it is BS anyway . Free agents did exist .You could sign players, but it was not necessary Why would a GM want to when he could sign rookies to more than 4 year contracts and cut them at any time with no penalties to deal with. No guarantees in the contract. No Dead cap, LT's rookie contract was for 6 years with a 7th year option. There were 12 rounds in the draft. You could pick an entire team in 4 drafts. And cut anyone at any time without ramifications. If anything Young's job was easier with the way the league was structured. . His first 2 years sucked. BTW : Another interesting aspect to LT contract . The Giant's FO loaned him and additional 300k interest free until 2025.
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Post by TEM on May 18, 2020 12:55:07 GMT -5
Free agency did exist in George Young's era. I already proved that. We both agree the NFL has changed. How has the GM role changed and made it easier? I think that is what you are calming. Leave FA out because it is BS anyway . Free agents did exist .You could sign players, but it was not necessary Why would a GM want to when he could sign rookies to more than 4 year contracts and cut them at any time with no penalties to deal with. No guarantees in the contract. No Dead cap, LT's rookie contract was for 6 years with a 7th year option. There were 12 rounds in the draft. You could pick an entire team in 4 drafts. And cut anyone at any time without ramifications. If anything Young's job was easier with the way the league was structured. . His first 2 years sucked. BTW : Another interesting aspect to LT contract . The Giant's FO loaned him and additional 300k interest free until 2025. FA is not the same as it was back then. It’s not BS. FA is an integral part of putting together a team. In Carolina DG was fired and ran out of town. The “culture” DG has over there was one where Josh Norman thought it was fine to carry on how ever he wanted to and go on radio programs making promises as to how he was going to end other players careers and referring to them as bitches. Numerous times Josh Norman has physical altercations with his own players during practices. Part of that “culture” that DG encouraged over there was to have players on the team point baseball bats at the opposing players and scream “Ill end your career faggot” and other such nonsense. The culture over there was pure wanna be thuggery and that’s part of the reason they collapsed when they got smacked in the mouth by real bad asses when Denver Broncos brought it to them in Super Bowl. We’ve seen DG bring over the same types of terrible human beings to NY Giants, particularly Golden Tate and DeAndre Baker. LT shouldn’t have to pay the loan back. The loan should be absolved for everything LT has done for this organization. Yet he let Norman walk . i wonder why he did that. you still have not answered why you believe Dave has it easier than George Young did.
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Post by TEM on May 18, 2020 13:45:15 GMT -5
Yet he let Norman walk . i wonder why he did that. you still have not answered why you believe Dave has it easier than George Young did. If you want to continue with the “leeway” that DG deserves should be the same as that shown George Young perhaps you should take into account that DG was a GM before. This is the 2nd time DG has been GM of an NFL team and the first NFL team he was GM if he got fired and ran out of town while George Young was GM of only one NFL team in his entire career. What does him being a GM before have to do with how long a Complete rebuild takes? I fail to follow that line of reasoning.
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Post by TEM on May 18, 2020 13:47:24 GMT -5
Yet he let Norman walk . i wonder why he did that. you still have not answered why you believe Dave has it easier than George Young did. Those are your words not mine. The situation with Josh Norman was handled terribly by DG and was roasted for it. It may be why the refusal to even deal legitimately with Landon Collins which by the way DG seems to have handled right so he obviously learned from his screw up with Josh Norman. No he wasn't Norman sucked in Washington . In anything letting him walk was the right move. This a fact, The panthers have sucked since he left. Went to a SB when he was there.
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Post by TEM on May 18, 2020 18:53:07 GMT -5
No he wasn't Norman sucked in Washington . In anything letting him walk was the right move. This a fact, The panthers have sucked since he left. Went to a SB when he was there. Should’ve let Josh Norman walk but shouldn’t have flip flopped with the entire franchise tag issue; alienated lots of players the way DG handled that. Carolina Panthers made playoffs after getting rid of DG and running him out of town. No they didn't . It was his team .He drafted and signed that entire roster in 2017
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Post by TEM on May 19, 2020 8:38:46 GMT -5
No they didn't . It was his team .He drafted and signed that entire roster in 2017 DG was fired in summer of 2017 before training camp began. DG was shocked although it was no surprise to anyone else that he was getting fired. Carolina Panthers made the playoff well after DG was gone. The reason DG was fired was because he was a cancer to the team. As I said. It was his draft and FAs singed. His team. But keep trying spinning away from the facts. As far as your last line. "The reason DG was fired was because he was a cancer to the team." Can you provide some supporting documentation or a link. If you cannot . All that proves is you are trying to pawn off your opinion as facts with an unsubstantiated attack of the GM. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/50/message-board-rules-posting-guidelines4. Do not post unsubstantiated rumors about players, coaches, etc. If you have legitimate news story, that is one thing, but if you have heard something from a friend of a friend, this is not the website to post innuendo and/or rumors. Those posts will be removed. 8. No attacks on players, coaches, or the front office. Criticism is allowed, and encouraged if the shoe fits, but that does NOT mean you have free range to bash or alienate a player or coach with your comments. If you disagree with how they played or the effort they put forward, please feel free to voice your opinion and state why you hold that opinion. But, if it's something you would not say to their faces, then don't post it here.
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Post by TEM on May 19, 2020 8:59:22 GMT -5
As I said. It was his draft and FAs singed. His team. But keep trying spinning away from the facts. As far as your last line. "The reason DG was fired was because he was a cancer to the team." Can you provide some supporting documentation or a link. If you cannot . All that proves is you are trying to pawn off your opinion as facts with an unsubstantiated attack of the GM. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/50/message-board-rules-posting-guidelines4. Do not post unsubstantiated rumors about players, coaches, etc. If you have legitimate news story, that is one thing, but if you have heard something from a friend of a friend, this is not the website to post innuendo and/or rumors. Those posts will be removed. 8. No attacks on players, coaches, or the front office. Criticism is allowed, and encouraged if the shoe fits, but that does NOT mean you have free range to bash or alienate a player or coach with your comments. If you disagree with how they played or the effort they put forward, please feel free to voice your opinion and state why you hold that opinion. But, if it's something you would not say to their faces, then don't post it here. Stop lying. DG didn’t draft that entire team as you’d like to try and claim. Cam Newton was drafted in 2011 before DG got there. If we go by your logic then Mark Hurly is why they went to SuperBowl because he drafted most of those players. DG was ran out of town. The toleration for his rudeness and the excuse culture wasn’t going to fly the same way it apparently has with you and some others. I did not claim that . I said it was his draft in 17. His FA. Learn how to read. Where is you proof that Dave was fired because he was a cancer to the team?
I am done with your no proof commentary.
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Post by GameTime on May 19, 2020 9:26:16 GMT -5
No they didn't . It was his team .He drafted and signed that entire roster in 2017 DG was fired in summer of 2017 before training camp began. DG was shocked although it was no surprise to anyone else that he was getting fired. Carolina Panthers made the playoff well after DG was gone. The reason DG was fired was because he was a cancer to the team. Ridiculous to say he was a cancer Especially since the guy had cancer. GMs get fired for many reasons. Choose your words better and with more thought. Thanks
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Post by GameTime on May 19, 2020 12:30:22 GMT -5
Ridiculous to say he was a cancer Especially since the guy had cancer. GMs get fired for many reasons. Choose your words better and with more thought. Thanks One has nothing to do with another. When DG was fired from Carolina Panthers it was because the owner didn’t want him to have anything to do with the team. Former players from Carolina Panthers claimed he was dishonest and DG actions there as well as here add veracity to those claims. DG couldn’t put together an effective OLine in Carolina. DG promotes a toxic culture in Carolina that was on full display with Josh Norman antics as well as physical altercations with teammates. The baseball bat nonsense that went on for most all the season till it came to a head against NY Giants. DG track record in Carolina was terrible. They didn’t want him and they got rid of him. Didn’t even wait till training camp was over. Now we have DG here and so far, there hasn’t been much in the way of accomplishment but we’ve seen continued behavior and pattern on his part in bringing in toxic personnel to destroy culture particularly in Golden Tate and DeAndre Baker. We’ve seen DG trade away one of the best football players in NFL with ODB. We’ve seen the further lying from DG and that is substantiated by some of the players with Erik Flowers, Snacks, Landon Collins as well as the Eli situation. We’ve seen terrible draft decision in regard to Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones when for those picks we could’ve drafted Quentin Nelson, Nick Chubb, Josh Allen and Drew Locke which would’ve helped a lot more in rebuilding. This team. As GM DG has a record of bringing in toxic culture and running teams to the ground. Hopefully the hiring of Judge and Garrett can counter that because if it doesn’t this team is going to be in trouble for awhile. Carolina Panthers cut sling load with DG a bit too late and we may want to actually take a hint from Uncle Bill over in NE and get rid of DG sooner rather than later before irreparable damage is done. Your choice of words was poor. End of story so what if the Giants....ans its a big "IF" make the playoffs this season if there is one. What BS about DG will post then? It was all Judge or DC or OC? I guess DG had no say in the coahcing staff either? Give it a rest
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Post by GameTime on May 19, 2020 12:38:15 GMT -5
Your choice of words was poor. End of story so what if the Giants....ans its a big "IF" make the playoffs this season if there is one. What BS about DG will post then? It was all Judge or DC or OC? I guess DG had no say in the coahcing staff either? Give it a rest It wasn’t a poor choice of words. So far DG has accomplished nothing for this team and his previous terrible decision making and behavior from Carolina Panthers is manifesting itself here. It’s you that should give it a rest. End your nonsense. have a nice day
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