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Post by stroswift10nyg on Mar 12, 2019 22:34:30 GMT -5
Dave we knew you were geting rid of all reeses picks but damn.....ODELL
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 12, 2019 22:34:54 GMT -5
value hot driven down a lot by Steelers only getting a 3rd & and 5th for a healthy A. Brown People keep saying that. OBJ is 26 years old! AB will be 31! You arent getting much for a 31 year old WR on a huge contract. By the time OBJs contract expires he will almost be younger than Brown right now! Browns a better WR, imo hands down but it's not significant to your bigger point. Yes, I agree that the age and long term deal - assuming it sticks - means we should have gotten a top 5 in the first round. I'm finding the 17 feels insulting.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 12, 2019 22:36:15 GMT -5
People keep saying that. OBJ is 26 years old! AB will be 31! You arent getting much for a 31 year old WR on a huge contract. By the time OBJs contract expires he will almost be younger than Brown right now! Browns a better WR, imo hands down but it's not significant to your bigger point. Yes, I agree that the age and long term deal - assuming it sticks - means we should have gotten a top 5 in the first round. I'm finding the 17 feels insulting. I dont think Brown is the better WR, just had the much better QB.... Embarrassed emoji
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 22:38:05 GMT -5
LOL, the only one that can fire him is a bigger fool than he is, you'd have better luck talking to a brick wall. Mara turns every single thing he touches to shit, should've hired Louis Riddick.
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Post by smitty on Mar 12, 2019 22:38:10 GMT -5
They didn't like OBJ's baggage, signed him anyway, got buyer's remorse, and undid the deal. All this "why didn't you do this last year" stuff is garbage. They took a shot: keeping Eli was not a mistake but they miscalculated what's left in his tank which is vapors, Barkley was a HATED move by a huge portion of the fanbase that won't admit they got that wrong (Rosen has already emerged as not worth the pick spent on him, how many more of the Biblical 4 QBs from last year will end up in that pile?), so now they're doing what i think you need to do when you make a mistake: change your strategy. This is the change, and it gives this team flexibility it hasn't had in 10 years. And it needs it right now because we haven't been two pieces away from anything for years. Time to wake up. There is so much wrong in this post. Actually, this post was spot on.
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Post by allnygin on Mar 12, 2019 22:38:10 GMT -5
If gettlmen and shurmur don't get it right this year fire em. They've lost all credibility unless they prove any logically sound mind wrong.. what a shit show this is turning into.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 12, 2019 22:40:19 GMT -5
If gettlmen and shurmur don't get it right this year fire em. They've lost all credibility unless they prove any logically sound mind wrong.. what a shit show this is turning into. How do we know if they got it right though?
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Post by Nick6475 on Mar 12, 2019 22:40:28 GMT -5
They need to fix the offense now too. Shep is the #1 WR... Saquon Barkley is the number one receiver now. He is going to be featured as much as any rubbing back in the history of the NFL Barkley was the #1 receiver last year...
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 12, 2019 22:46:45 GMT -5
Browns a better WR, imo hands down but it's not significant to your bigger point. Yes, I agree that the age and long term deal - assuming it sticks - means we should have gotten a top 5 in the first round. I'm finding the 17 feels insulting. I dont think Brown is the better WR, just had the much better QB.... lol, nice but apparently not according to Brown. and if you buy this guy's take, looks like Gettleman may have made the same mistake.
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Post by Miked1958 on Mar 12, 2019 22:47:37 GMT -5
value hot driven down a lot by Steelers only getting a 3rd & and 5th for a healthy A. Brown People keep saying that. OBJ is 26 years old! AB will be 31! You arent getting much for a 31 year old WR on a huge contract. By the time OBJs contract expires he will almost be younger than Brown right now! true. But it still had some effect. By the way. Heres the browns 2019 offense: sorry link doesn't work
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Post by smitty on Mar 12, 2019 22:48:12 GMT -5
Browns a better WR, imo hands down but it's not significant to your bigger point. Yes, I agree that the age and long term deal - assuming it sticks - means we should have gotten a top 5 in the first round. I'm finding the 17 feels insulting. I dont think Brown is the better WR, just had the much better QB.... [/quote] Both Ben and Eli won 2 SB's if I recall correctly, no?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 12, 2019 22:51:05 GMT -5
I dont think Brown is the better WR, just had the much better QB.... Both Ben and Eli won 2 SB's if I recall correctly, no?[/quote] 🤦♂️ Yes. You recalled correctly. And you messed up the format here... quotes are all out of whack.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 12, 2019 22:56:07 GMT -5
i don't shy aware from learning. help me understand. If they didnt like OBJs baggage and signed him to the biggest WR contract in the NFL anyway, because the Patriots were interested in him (reportedly) so if they like him we must be wrong, then the GM should be cleaning out the urinals in the stadium rather than cleaning out the lockers. Keeping Eli was proven yet again to be a mistake. I dont know how many bad seasons of him we need to see before people know that. He should have been released when Coughlin was let go (who should have been Reese by the way). Barkley still might not be the right choice. Until he is on a winning team, its always debatable. Phenomenal talent, like Odell, but on losing teams. Obviously Odell wasnt the right choice. We certainly didnt win much with him which is the goal. Winning is everything. Stats are for fantasies. Bashing Rosen... He was set up to fail by that organization who might be the only organization in the NFL worse than ours right now. They fired a 1 year coach. Rosen had the worst OLine and zero weapons and throw to the wolves. Changed his OC mid year too. No chance. This is the change, sure. Its a bad change. We are worse now than we were last year. Offensively and Defensively. Should have gotten more for Odell. #17 pick isnt a good deal especially with the cap hit. I can't argue against "they signed Beckham because the Pats wanted him", not because i agree but because there's no way of knowing. Everyone expected the Giants to resign him and they did. So the reason is (reportedly) because the Pats wanted him? there's 50 reasons other than Pats envy that could be true. I would have resigned him and i don't like Beckham. The Barkley pick wasn't a mistake because Eli is still here. the goal for that pick was "don't miss". They didn't. If one of the available QBs turns out to be a franchise QB there's a conversation to be had. Problem is its easy to pick the lottery numbers after they're chosen. The point to that draft was not to waste the $5. Pick a QB or its a terrible decision doesn't make sense to me. Eli is nothing more than a tackling dummy until there they believe in another QB. I don't buy any of this "eli untouchable" garbage. The moment they think they have his replacement, he's gone. Not a second longer. Truth is there was no Andrew Luck, or Older Manning brother in the draft last year. There were 4 guys with more flaws than Barkley had. I'd want as close to a sure thing after picking Flowers based on need a couple years ago too. Fair enough on Rosen. There continues to be crap out there about whether he's well suited for the NFL or not. Your points are stronger than mine on this, i have a admitted bias against players where there's rumors of work ethic issues. We are worse than we were last year. Agreed. But fans (admittedly you haven't said this) that hate this move think he would have eased the seasoning of a new QB here, and i haven't seen anything in Beckham that allows him to get past his ultra-competitive nature of hating losing in order for him to play that role. I think they recognize that now, and they weren't looking to get a top 5 pick or keep beckham, they wanted him off the team. We'll find out how dumb or smart that was.
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Post by redeyejedi on Mar 13, 2019 4:45:12 GMT -5
Slow Down! Lets wait and see how he Drafts! I trust Gettleman Drafting more than I do his Trades and Free Agent Signings lol We can find another #1 Receiver, won't be as exciting as Beckham but I think we will be fine Lol So we need to find a #1 WR, QB and entire defense. Dude don't worry we have 2 5th round picks.
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Post by Jaydub on Mar 13, 2019 4:47:05 GMT -5
I bet we're cutting Eli at this point. It would make far too much sense. Eli will get extended in the next few weeks. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least
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Post by redeyejedi on Mar 13, 2019 4:48:18 GMT -5
The same guys cheering on Gettleman are the same ones who thought we could win last year. Roster should of been torn down last year. His terrible trade for Ogletree and the Soldier signing set us back another year. This is now a 4 year rebuild which is insane in todays NFL
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Post by Shim on Mar 13, 2019 7:33:06 GMT -5
Have you guys had time to sleep on it?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 7:41:02 GMT -5
How did DG not get ANY 2020 picks for this. Mind boggling. Not even a 3rd or 4th in 2020?
And the 3rd round pick in 2019 isnt even the Browns top 3rd round pick?
I dont mind trading Odell because he is a cancer, but we needed to get more. Should have said first round picks in 2019 and 2020 or include Baker or we are done.
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Post by southerner on Mar 13, 2019 7:42:41 GMT -5
How did DG not get ANY 2020 picks for this. Mind boggling. Not even a 3rd or 4th in 2020? And the 3rd round pick in 2019 isnt even the Browns top 3rd round pick? I dont mind trading Odell because he is a cancer, but we needed to get more. Should have said first round picks in 2019 and 2020 or include Baker or we are done. ...and maybe a pet unicorn too!
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 7:44:59 GMT -5
How did DG not get ANY 2020 picks for this. Mind boggling. Not even a 3rd or 4th in 2020? And the 3rd round pick in 2019 isnt even the Browns top 3rd round pick? I dont mind trading Odell because he is a cancer, but we needed to get more. Should have said first round picks in 2019 and 2020 or include Baker or we are done. ...and maybe a pet unicorn too! Hey, DG had the leverage. The Baker part was a joke obviously BTW. Should have gotten more though for the best WR this team has ever had at age 26.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 7:45:48 GMT -5
How did DG not get ANY 2020 picks for this. Mind boggling. Not even a 3rd or 4th in 2020? And the 3rd round pick in 2019 isnt even the Browns top 3rd round pick? I dont mind trading Odell because he is a cancer, but we needed to get more. Should have said first round picks in 2019 and 2020 or include Baker or we are done. That's the biggest gripe I have...not enough in return. DG does not, at this time...seem like he has a plan. BTW, I'd fire the guy for drafting a running back at 2, and passing on Darnold. But that's just me. Embarrassed emoji
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Post by GameTime on Mar 13, 2019 7:45:56 GMT -5
maybe that was the best they could have gotten....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 7:53:56 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 7:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by Nite on Mar 13, 2019 8:00:59 GMT -5
What a dumb comment. Just because you have a team of "Madden All Stars" doesn't mean you win... Just look at the iggles a few years ago, they fielded a team of all-stars and look where it got them (not talking about that black swan event known as SB LII). They have to be able to play together
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Post by vinnie on Mar 13, 2019 8:05:39 GMT -5
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 13, 2019 8:09:17 GMT -5
maybe that was the best they could have gotten.... Then don't trade him.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 13, 2019 8:13:48 GMT -5
Can’t believe most of you think DG made this trade. Clearly it was the owner.
The return? A little less than they could’ve gotten in your eyes but you’d have to tell me who was offering more.
They shouldn’t have made the trade? Take it up with the owner.
Not the GM.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 8:18:09 GMT -5
Can’t believe most of you think DG made this trade. Clearly it was the owner. The return? A little less than they could’ve gotten in your eyes but you’d have to tell me who was offering more. They shouldn’t have made the trade? Take it up with the owner. Not the GM. Where is your proof this was the owner? Now if we are talking Eli, ok. That was Mara. He hired DG and said Eli is our guy at QB the next few years. DG then hired Shurm and told him how it was. But Odell? Thats DG. He did the same thing out in Carolina with Norman. He is trying to clean out the drama. He just didnt get a fair return because he isnt a good GM IMO. Since we are 100% in rebuild the next couple of years, it would have made much more sense to trade back from #2 instead of going RB now right? By the time we find a QB, and get it settled down with a team, SQB will be ready to get a massive contract and there is no guarantee its with us. Too many holes on the team to take a RB #2 overall, I dont care if he is the next Barry Sanders. DG has a lot of work to do and he better get it done sooner rather than later.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 13, 2019 8:19:12 GMT -5
My proof? You mean my common sense?
GMs don't move one the faces of the franchise without an ok.
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