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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 8:21:09 GMT -5
My proof? You mean my common sense? Your common sense? Thats your proof Mara traded Odell and not DG?
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Post by Roswell on Mar 13, 2019 8:24:11 GMT -5
My proof? You mean my common sense? Your common sense? Thats your proof Mara traded Odell and not DG? You're never going to have the owner take credit publicly for a trade like this but if you think that DG acted alone then I got a bridge to sell you. I would think that you've been watching football and the Giants long enough to know that any real big decision passes thru Mara. Or maybe you haven't been paying attention the last ten years and think the GM makes the huge calls.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 8:28:21 GMT -5
Your common sense? Thats your proof Mara traded Odell and not DG? You're never going to have the owner take credit publicly for a trade like this but if you think that DG acted alone then I got a bridge to sell you. I would think that you've been watching football and the Giants long enough to know that any real big decision passes thru Mara. Or maybe you haven't been paying attention the last ten years and think the GM makes the huge calls. So you think Mara told DG to trade Odell for whatever he can get? Im sure DG expressed his opinion to Mara, sure. Its a big deal. But I doubt Mara pulled the trigger on this deal. He learned from the Eli fiasco to stay out of it.
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Post by southerner on Mar 13, 2019 8:30:07 GMT -5
...and maybe a pet unicorn too! Hey, DG had the leverage. The Baker part was a joke obviously BTW. Should have gotten more though for the best WR this team has ever had at age 26. In effect, he got two 1st and a 3rd......that is great. Especially for an often injured, overpaid WR that might touch the ball 8 to 9 times a game.....great trade.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 8:31:24 GMT -5
Hey, DG had the leverage. The Baker part was a joke obviously BTW. Should have gotten more though for the best WR this team has ever had at age 26. In effect, he got two 1st and a 3rd......that is great. Especially for an often injured, overpaid WR that might touch the ball 8 to 9 times a game.....great trade. Peppers has not lived up to the hype though. He wouldn't get a 1st round pick right now trading him one for one. Maybe a 3rd or something.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 13, 2019 8:34:49 GMT -5
You're never going to have the owner take credit publicly for a trade like this but if you think that DG acted alone then I got a bridge to sell you. I would think that you've been watching football and the Giants long enough to know that any real big decision passes thru Mara. Or maybe you haven't been paying attention the last ten years and think the GM makes the huge calls. So you think Mara told DG to trade Odell for whatever he can get? Im sure DG expressed his opinion to Mara, sure. Its a big deal. But I doubt Mara pulled the trigger on this deal. He learned from the Eli fiasco to stay out of it. I have to say, you were right about the trade of OBJ. I am curious what you thought the value was of a WR you describes as a locker room cancer that faked injuries to get back at the coach? I mean...I assume that would not have been your sales pitch, but what would a player like that be worth?
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Post by Roswell on Mar 13, 2019 8:38:23 GMT -5
You're never going to have the owner take credit publicly for a trade like this but if you think that DG acted alone then I got a bridge to sell you. I would think that you've been watching football and the Giants long enough to know that any real big decision passes thru Mara. Or maybe you haven't been paying attention the last ten years and think the GM makes the huge calls. So you think Mara told DG to trade Odell for whatever he can get? As fans we get about 50% of the story. My best friend is a hockey agent. Players get traded for all sorts of reasons that aren't reported. I get to hear a few of the hockey stories. But he assures me that it goes on in all sports. Proof? I don't have proof. Common sense that the GM is not going to act unilaterally to move a talent like Beckham with a hands on owner like Mara down the hall, well, that doesn't take a lot of thought.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 8:44:02 GMT -5
So you think Mara told DG to trade Odell for whatever he can get? Im sure DG expressed his opinion to Mara, sure. Its a big deal. But I doubt Mara pulled the trigger on this deal. He learned from the Eli fiasco to stay out of it. I have to say, you were right about the trade of OBJ. I am curious what you thought the value was of a WR you describes as a locker room cancer that faked injuries to get back at the coach? I mean...I assume that would not have been your sales pitch, but what would a player like that be worth? Some teams ignore that stuff and see a top 3 WR in the league. Giants tried to do that, and finally broke. IMO, he wasnt hurt last year. He pouted. He caused a divide as Mark Herzlich stated. He called out his QB and his HC. That stuff doesnt fly. The Browns, they are on another planet. They havent had success in decades. They are starving for the wins and spotlight, so much that they would overlook the bad things. Raiders are the same way. Jets and Cowboys too. They are willing to take on trouble makers to win. OR at least try to win. Odells talents are still top shelf. It trumps his troubles. I wanted two 1st rounders. and some later fluff picks. 1st and 3rd this year, 1st and 5th next year. I would have been good. A first and 2nd pick of the 3rd from the Browns isnt enough. Peppers is an ok guy in the backfield, but doesnt move the needle for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 8:44:46 GMT -5
To me, people have always based OBJ on what he was going to do. but with his missed playing time and mental BS, we were never going to see his full capabilities. I can only hope we stop bringing in these drama type players in the future, great defense and ball control offense is what has made the Giants great, not one handed catches that mean nothing.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 8:45:43 GMT -5
So you think Mara told DG to trade Odell for whatever he can get? As fans we get about 50% of the story. My best friend is a hockey agent. Players get traded for all sorts of reasons that aren't reported. I get to hear a few of the hockey stories. But he assures me that it goes on in all sports. Proof? I don't have proof. Common sense that the GM is not going to act unilaterally to move a talent like Beckham with a hands on owner like Mara down the hall, well, that doesn't take a lot of thought. See, now you changed the wording. I said DG pulled the trigger. I think he did run it by Mara. What I dont think is Mara pulled the trigger like you said and forced the trade. I agree with the fans knowing part, except it may be less than 50%.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 13, 2019 8:59:38 GMT -5
As fans we get about 50% of the story. My best friend is a hockey agent. Players get traded for all sorts of reasons that aren't reported. I get to hear a few of the hockey stories. But he assures me that it goes on in all sports. Proof? I don't have proof. Common sense that the GM is not going to act unilaterally to move a talent like Beckham with a hands on owner like Mara down the hall, well, that doesn't take a lot of thought. See, now you changed the wording. I said DG pulled the trigger. I think he did run it by Mara. What I dont think is Mara pulled the trigger like you said and forced the trade. I agree with the fans knowing part, except it may be less than 50%. My apologies if you misinterpreted my posts but the thread says Fire Gettleman and I’m not a DG guy but in this case I think that there’s more to the story. I get that today is the morning after a huge controversial move but to lay the blame on just the GM seems misguided.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 9:04:06 GMT -5
See, now you changed the wording. I said DG pulled the trigger. I think he did run it by Mara. What I dont think is Mara pulled the trigger like you said and forced the trade. I agree with the fans knowing part, except it may be less than 50%. My apologies if you misinterpreted my posts but the thread says Fire Gettleman and I’m not a DG guy but in this case I think that there’s more to the story. I get that today is the morning after a huge controversial move but to lay the blame on just the GM seems misguided. Fair enough. I think the past 2 years DG has made some serious mistakes. He has one foot in the "blow it up and rebuild mode" grave and one foot in the "we can win now with a 38 year old QB" grave. He either needs to go one way or the other, 100%. Half ass rebuilds last forever and keep you a solid 8-8 team at best for a long time. <iframe width="22.539999999999964" height="7.1200000000000045" style="position: absolute; width: 22.539999999999964px; height: 7.1200000000000045px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_26097386" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.539999999999964" height="7.1200000000000045" style="position: absolute; width: 22.54px; height: 7.12px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1068px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_73260156" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.539999999999964" height="7.1200000000000045" style="position: absolute; width: 22.54px; height: 7.12px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 293px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_1875364" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.539999999999964" height="7.1200000000000045" style="position: absolute; width: 22.54px; height: 7.12px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1068px; top: 293px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_57814027" scrolling="no"></iframe> This move (and trading Snacks, Apple, ect) screams REBUILD while drafting SQB and signing Solder and playing Eli scream WIN NOW!
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Post by GameTime on Mar 13, 2019 9:05:42 GMT -5
maybe that was the best they could have gotten.... Then don't trade him. we dont know the whole story and have to wait on that. Also they gave OB what he wanted. He got the big money AND he got to go elsewhere because he didnt want to be with the NYGs anyway. Also after another potentially crappy season in 2019 he would have pulled an Antonio Brown and they would have gotten even less for him. OB is the winner here and I believe ultimately its the best for all parties involved.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 13, 2019 9:06:59 GMT -5
The same guys cheering on Gettleman are the same ones who thought we could win last year. Roster should of been torn down last year. His terrible trade for Ogletree and the Soldier signing set us back another year. This is now a 4 year rebuild which is insane in todays NFL What day will it be done? I want to bring a nice dessert and a bottle of port.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 13, 2019 9:07:17 GMT -5
My apologies if you misinterpreted my posts but the thread says Fire Gettleman and I’m not a DG guy but in this case I think that there’s more to the story. I get that today is the morning after a huge controversial move but to lay the blame on just the GM seems misguided. Fair enough. I think the past 2 years DG has made some serious mistakes. He has one foot in the "blow it up and rebuild mode" grave and one foot in the "we can win now with a 38 year old QB" grave. He either needs to go one way or the other, 100%. Half ass rebuilds last forever and keep you a solid 8-8 team at best for a long time. <iframe width="22.539999999999964" height="7.1200000000000045" style="position: absolute; width: 22.539999999999964px; height: 7.1200000000000045px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_26097386" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.539999999999964" height="7.1200000000000045" style="position: absolute; width: 22.54px; height: 7.12px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1068px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_73260156" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.539999999999964" height="7.1200000000000045" style="position: absolute; width: 22.54px; height: 7.12px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 293px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_1875364" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.539999999999964" height="7.1200000000000045" style="position: absolute; width: 22.54px; height: 7.12px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1068px; top: 293px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_57814027" scrolling="no"></iframe> This move (and trading Snacks, Apple, ect) screams REBUILD while drafting SQB and signing Solder and playing Eli scream WIN NOW! DG lied about trading OB why wpouldnt he lie about cutting or moving on from Eli? A new QB is coming to the NYGs.....very soon
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 9:10:11 GMT -5
DG lied about trading OB why wpouldnt he lie about cutting or moving on from Eli? A new QB is coming to the NYGs.....very soon[/quote] I hope not in the 2019 draft
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 13, 2019 9:10:40 GMT -5
Can’t believe most of you think DG made this trade. Clearly it was the owner. The return? A little less than they could’ve gotten in your eyes but you’d have to tell me who was offering more. They shouldn’t have made the trade? Take it up with the owner. Not the GM. Yeah I've changed my thoughts on this to this way of thinking Seems that Mara decided in the last 2 weeks to thrust this on Gettleman and he had to get it done by the beginning of tbe league year,so in essence he really didnt do a bad job in getting something immediate back as an impact starter. If anything mara assured both Getty and and Shurmer they will have a longer leash to do this because of this decision because this team is now 3 years away from being relevant
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 13, 2019 9:11:25 GMT -5
Well if Bob Maller says so, it must be true. He’s the best!
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Post by jay051 on Mar 13, 2019 9:13:32 GMT -5
Your common sense? Thats your proof Mara traded Odell and not DG? You're never going to have the owner take credit publicly for a trade like this but if you think that DG acted alone then I got a bridge to sell you. I would think that you've been watching football and the Giants long enough to know that any real big decision passes thru Mara. Or maybe you haven't been paying attention the last ten years and think the GM makes the huge calls. . Who is saying that DG acted alone?? Obviously he had to get an ok approval from Mara just like every other NFL team as well.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 9:14:00 GMT -5
Well if Bob Maller says so, it must be true. He’s the best! Find me one article that says this was a good move for the Giants... One. On the entire internet. Or on TV. Everywhere. Giants are getting hammered and rightfully so. No QB, no WRs. Now they are a running team in a passing league. I wouldnt be surprised if we drafted Kyle Shurmur and use him in hopes he is the Vikings version of Case Keenum. This team has no direction.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 13, 2019 9:14:14 GMT -5
This is unfolding pretty much exactly as I said it would last week. And I have to say that while I didn’t expect the actual trade to occur everything else has been dead on script.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Mar 13, 2019 9:16:19 GMT -5
Well if Bob Maller says so, it must be true. He’s the best! Find me one article that says this was a good move for the Giants... One. On the entire internet. Or on TV. Everywhere. Giants are getting hammered and rightfully so. Dammit don't Mara and Tisch know no team has ever won a SB while losing the public court of opinion.
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Post by jay051 on Mar 13, 2019 9:16:28 GMT -5
Can’t believe most of you think DG made this trade. Clearly it was the owner. The return? A little less than they could’ve gotten in your eyes but you’d have to tell me who was offering more. They shouldn’t have made the trade? Take it up with the owner. Not the GM. Yeah I've changed my thoughts on this to this way of thinking Seems that Mara decided in the last 2 weeks to thrust this on Gettleman and he had to get it done by the beginning of tbe league year,so in essence he really didnt do a bad job in getting something immediate back as an impact starter. If anything mara assured both Getty and and Shurmer they will have a longer leash to do this because of this decision because this team is now 3 years away from being relevant Im pretty sure every NFL team would have to get a final approval from the owner to make a big blockbuster trade. No way DG did this without Mara's approval.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 9:18:18 GMT -5
Find me one article that says this was a good move for the Giants... One. On the entire internet. Or on TV. Everywhere. Giants are getting hammered and rightfully so. Dammit don't Mara and Tisch know no team has ever won a SB while losing the public court of opinion. You think we can win the SB now? Mara cares a lot about public opinons. Its why Eli was the starting QB after the Geno Smith disaster.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 13, 2019 9:22:03 GMT -5
You're never going to have the owner take credit publicly for a trade like this but if you think that DG acted alone then I got a bridge to sell you. I would think that you've been watching football and the Giants long enough to know that any real big decision passes thru Mara. Or maybe you haven't been paying attention the last ten years and think the GM makes the huge calls. . Who is saying that DG acted alone?? Obviously he had to get an ok approval from Mara just like every other NFL team as well. The thread title suggests that DG is the person who should be held responsible for this trade. I think the owner is responsible.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 13, 2019 9:26:29 GMT -5
I think the GM was directed to trade Beckham. And the more I think about the current state of the Giants, their defensive needs, and the fact that there’s always drama with Beckham, the more I like that they’ve moved on.
They should rip off the bandaid and trade for Rosen (not my first choice but Foles is gone) and then cut Eli before they pay him 5m. And use that money intelligently to fill the RT spot and get more playmakers on D.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 13, 2019 9:27:34 GMT -5
Well if Bob Maller says so, it must be true. He’s the best! Find me one article that says this was a good move for the Giants... One. On the entire internet. Or on TV. Everywhere. Giants are getting hammered and rightfully so. No QB, no WRs. Now they are a running team in a passing league. I wouldnt be surprised if we drafted Kyle Shurmur and use him in hopes he is the Vikings version of Case Keenum. This team has no direction. Is random external validation that important to you? I get the comfort in the herd but since I have no other choice, I’m OK with letting this play out. I watched a bunch of hot takes last night from panels that were so excited that something happened, they could barley contain themselves. It was pretty funny stuff. Tha5 said, I strongly agree 100% with your direction for sourcing as it’s a bit like asking someone to find pro abortion articles in the Catholic News. That’s well played.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 13, 2019 9:29:16 GMT -5
In effect, he got two 1st and a 3rd......that is great. Especially for an often injured, overpaid WR that might touch the ball 8 to 9 times a game.....great trade. Peppers has not lived up to the hype though. He wouldn't get a 1st round pick right now trading him one for one. Maybe a 3rd or something. Have you actually watched Peppers play? He has much better instincts than Collins and he can cover TEs. He can play high and low. The kid has range, speed and instincts.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Mar 13, 2019 9:32:11 GMT -5
'Boomer & Gio': Trading Odell Beckham Jr. Was The Right Move For Giants. Giants general manager Dave Gettleman made the right move by trading Odell Beckham Jr., WFAN's Boomer Esiason and Gregg Giannotti said Wednesday morning. The Giants shocked the NFL world Tuesday night by dealing their superstar wide receiver to the Cleveland Browns for first- and third-round draft picks and safety Jabrill Peppers. In endorsing the trade, Esiason went over the laundry list of problems associated with Beckham in recent years -- his injuries, his public criticism of Eli Manning, his peeing-dog touchdown celebration, his role in the Miami boat trip just before the 2016 wild-card game and his viral video with a woman, a pizza and a white powder, just to name a few. "Enough is a freakin' nuff," Esiason said. "I don't care how good you are. It's tolerance, and it's production. His production the last two years, due in large part to injuries and because he decided to take himself out (the last four games of 2018), he is the all-hype team. This is an all-hype guy that is basically a fruitcake when it comes to being a part of a team." wfan.radio.com/articles/boomer-gio-trading-odell-beckham-jr-was-right-move-giants
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 13, 2019 9:37:19 GMT -5
Well if Bob Maller says so, it must be true. He’s the best! Find me one article that says this was a good move for the Giants... One. On the entire internet. Or on TV. Everywhere. Giants are getting hammered and rightfully so. No QB, no WRs. Now they are a running team in a passing league. I wouldnt be surprised if we drafted Kyle Shurmur and use him in hopes he is the Vikings version of Case Keenum. This team has no direction. ^^ Sorry that took so long. But hey, as long as one member of the media says it that’s objective validation, right? Or not? Probably not, I’m guessing that for this source - unlike all concurring sources - there’s probably something wrong with this source like, they don’t know what they’re talking about, or they do drugs or they have an agenda or some such, y’know completely unlike all the other media sources, lol.
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