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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 9:39:06 GMT -5
Find me one article that says this was a good move for the Giants... One. On the entire internet. Or on TV. Everywhere. Giants are getting hammered and rightfully so. No QB, no WRs. Now they are a running team in a passing league. I wouldnt be surprised if we drafted Kyle Shurmur and use him in hopes he is the Vikings version of Case Keenum. This team has no direction. Is random external validation that important to you? I get the comfort in the herd but since I have no other choice, I’m OK with letting this play out. I watched a bunch of hot takes last night from panels that were so excited that something happened, they could barley contain themselves. It was pretty funny stuff. Tha5 said, I strongly agree 100% with your direction for sourcing as it’s a bit like asking someone to find pro abortion articles in the Catholic News. That’s well played. lol I guess not being a clown organization and my team who I dedicate way too much time into, not getting constantly ripped by fans and media is a little important to my fandom.
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Post by jay051 on Mar 13, 2019 9:40:43 GMT -5
. Who is saying that DG acted alone?? Obviously he had to get an ok approval from Mara just like every other NFL team as well. The thread title suggests that DG is the person who should be held responsible for this trade. I think the owner is responsible. I think both parties should be held responsible.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 9:41:28 GMT -5
I think the GM was directed to trade Beckham. And the more I think about the current state of the Giants, their defensive needs, and the fact that there’s always drama with Beckham, the more I like that they’ve moved on. They should rip off the bandaid and trade for Rosen (not my first choice but Foles is gone) and then cut Eli before they pay him 5m. And use that money intelligently to fill the RT spot and get more playmakers on D. If that is the case, the owner is going to kill this team as long as he is alive and will be the next James Dolan. I would hope you are wrong and he learned not to interfere after the Eli debacle in 2017.
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Post by BlueReign on Mar 13, 2019 9:41:47 GMT -5
Well if Bob Maller says so, it must be true. He’s the best! Find me one article that says this was a good move for the Giants... One. On the entire internet. Or on TV. Everywhere. Giants are getting hammered and rightfully so. No QB, no WRs. Now they are a running team in a passing league. I wouldnt be surprised if we drafted Kyle Shurmur and use him in hopes he is the Vikings version of Case Keenum. This team has no direction. Who cares about what the media outlets need to say? I think it's the right move to get rid of Beckham; especially on a team that's going nowhere for a couple of years. Do I think that OBJ should've been worth more? Yes, I do. But who knows what was offered? Ian Rapaport is already reporting that Odell is looking to re-work his contract with the Browns, and that is not a headache a team needs as it tries to right the ship. I'm not so sure that committing that much to a WR is the best allocation of cap space going forward by a team staring a rebuild (with or without Odell) in the face. I'll tell you this, the Browns better win soon otherwise that locker room is going to crumble.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 9:42:52 GMT -5
Peppers has not lived up to the hype though. He wouldn't get a 1st round pick right now trading him one for one. Maybe a 3rd or something. Have you actually watched Peppers play? He has much better instincts than Collins and he can cover TEs. He can play high and low. The kid has range, speed and instincts. Admittingly not enough. Some. Browns fans didnt seem like he lived up to the hype of a 1st round pick though. Yes, he is a better cover safety. I did say that earlier.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 13, 2019 9:44:51 GMT -5
Is random external validation that important to you? I get the comfort in the herd but since I have no other choice, I’m OK with letting this play out. I watched a bunch of hot takes last night from panels that were so excited that something happened, they could barley contain themselves. It was pretty funny stuff. Tha5 said, I strongly agree 100% with your direction for sourcing as it’s a bit like asking someone to find pro abortion articles in the Catholic News. That’s well played. lol I guess not being a clown organization and my team who I dedicate way too much time into getting constantly ripped by fans and media is a little important to my fandom. I got ya. I guess I’m different because I could not possibly have less regard for the sources. I know the media knows nothing and this can be judged objectively over time so I’m OK withholding judgment. Why would I accept the opinion of some random carnival barker over the facts as they unfold? Personally, I wouldn’t, it’s what makes me the a-hole I am.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 9:46:58 GMT -5
lol I guess not being a clown organization and my team who I dedicate way too much time into getting constantly ripped by fans and media is a little important to my fandom. I got ya. I guess I’m different because I could not possibly have less regard for the sources. I know the media knows nothing and this can be judged objectively over time so I’m OK withholding judgment. Why would I accept the opinion of some random carnival barker over the facts as they unfold? Personally, I wouldn’t, it’s what makes me the a-hole I am. But the facts have proven we are a clown organization now no? How many more embarrassing losing seasons do we need to be that?
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Post by TAILGATIN on Mar 13, 2019 9:48:54 GMT -5
Man, we don’t even know what the teams gonna look like and so much negativity. Besides thinking we could have acquired more for OBJ, I’m glad he’s gone. Hopefully we build our D, get our new QB, and focus on the run game while getting some extra help at WR. OBJ was quite the talent, but the headaches, locker rooom division, and integrity of the team was part of his cost. I’m staying positive until I see how this all pans out.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 13, 2019 9:56:49 GMT -5
I got ya. I guess I’m different because I could not possibly have less regard for the sources. I know the media knows nothing and this can be judged objectively over time so I’m OK withholding judgment. Why would I accept the opinion of some random carnival barker over the facts as they unfold? Personally, I wouldn’t, it’s what makes me the a-hole I am. But the facts have proven we are a clown organization now no? How many more embarrassing losing seasons do we need to be that? If we’re using team records, sure. The Giants and a handful of other teams are currently clown organizations. On the plus side, some of them have made changes to the FOs in an arrempt to change this. Here’s hoping the Giants are one of them.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Mar 13, 2019 10:00:47 GMT -5
A full rebuild is absolutely moronic....ok give me this how many games were the Giants screwed over by the refs this year.....Giants could of won 7-8 games....should of gotten a damn legit Quarterback but we have idots running this team into the ground
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 13, 2019 10:00:50 GMT -5
I think the GM was directed to trade Beckham. And the more I think about the current state of the Giants, their defensive needs, and the fact that there’s always drama with Beckham, the more I like that they’ve moved on. They should rip off the bandaid and trade for Rosen (not my first choice but Foles is gone) and then cut Eli before they pay him 5m. And use that money intelligently to fill the RT spot and get more playmakers on D. I couldn't agree more with what you say here, its time to move on and nobody on a crappy team like ours should be untouchable, Gettleman has the balls to do what needs to be done and I for one applaud him......
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 13, 2019 10:16:29 GMT -5
A full rebuild is absolutely moronic....ok give me this how many games were the Giants screwed over by the refs this year.....Giants could of won 7-8 games....should of gotten a damn legit Quarterback but we have idots running this team into the ground Thankfully they appear to not be the kinds of idiots that think this team is a QB away. So, yeah it could be much worse.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 10:19:32 GMT -5
I think the GM was directed to trade Beckham. And the more I think about the current state of the Giants, their defensive needs, and the fact that there’s always drama with Beckham, the more I like that they’ve moved on. They should rip off the bandaid and trade for Rosen (not my first choice but Foles is gone) and then cut Eli before they pay him 5m. And use that money intelligently to fill the RT spot and get more playmakers on D. I couldn't agree more with what you say here, its time to move on and nobody on a crappy team like ours should be untouchable, Gettleman has the balls to do what needs to be done and I for one him...... But Ros was saying that Mara traded him, not Gettleman. Mara definitely had the final or down, but IMO it was DG who is driving the bus right now. And if Im wrong and Mara is indeed driving the bus, we are in the movie Inception with the van falling off the bridge in super slow motion. This will be a forever rebuild.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 10:23:11 GMT -5
A full rebuild is absolutely moronic....ok give me this how many games were the Giants screwed over by the refs this year.....Giants could of won 7-8 games....should of gotten a damn legit Quarterback but we have idots running this team into the ground Thankfully they appear to not be the kinds of idiots that think this team is a QB away. So, yeah it could be much worse. To play the other side, As bad as we were, we lost 8 of our games by 1 score, including the 1st 2 where Eli missed Odell several times in each game for TDs. But there is no doubt we need a pass rush and Oline to be good.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 13, 2019 10:30:10 GMT -5
Thankfully they appear to not be the kinds of idiots that think this team is a QB away. So, yeah it could be much worse. To play the other side, As bad as we were, we lost 8 of our games by 1 score, including the 1st 2 where Eli missed Odell several times in each game for TDs. But there is no doubt we need a pass rush and Oline to be good. We sure did, plus the ones where we had the lead at the end of the fourth quarter and gave it away defensively. Thank god that will stop as soon as the new QB gets here.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 10:31:59 GMT -5
To play the other side, As bad as we were, we lost 8 of our games by 1 score, including the 1st 2 where Eli missed Odell several times in each game for TDs. But there is no doubt we need a pass rush and Oline to be good. We sure did, plus the ones where we had the lead at the end of the fourth quarter and gave it away defensively. Thank god that will stop as soon as the new QB gets here. Maybe the new QB wont go 3 and out all the time late in the 4th Q? Time to get some serious pass rushers...
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Post by shocknaweny on Mar 13, 2019 10:32:51 GMT -5
Signed TheAnalyst You ****ing schmuck. You only got a 1st and 3rd and J Peppers? WTF is wrong with this man!? Trade Odell and keep Eli?! Our rebuild just got extended until 2022. Yea it really hurts Barkley and Gettleman doesn't know whether he's coming or going just flying by the seat of his pants I see
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 13, 2019 10:48:45 GMT -5
We sure did, plus the ones where we had the lead at the end of the fourth quarter and gave it away defensively. Thank god that will stop as soon as the new QB gets here. Maybe the new QB wont go 3 and out all the time late in the 4th Q? Time to get some serious pass rushers... I don’t know if 8 can adjust to that. I need at least 12 3 and outs a game and 4 DOGs to ensure I’m watching the right team.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Mar 13, 2019 10:56:37 GMT -5
Thankfully they appear to not be the kinds of idiots that think this team is a QB away. So, yeah it could be much worse. To play the other side, As bad as we were, we lost 8 of our games by 1 score, including the 1st 2 where Eli missed Odell several times in each game for TDs. But there is no doubt we need a pass rush and Oline to be good. smh yes it is a team game but that's what makes me so mad is ELIs ACCURACY is that bad and has missed so many wide open passes lol. Honestly I hate blaming him but it's the truth
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Post by shocknaweny on Mar 13, 2019 11:00:46 GMT -5
All the guys I like are in Cleveland now lol
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Post by shocknaweny on Mar 13, 2019 11:01:44 GMT -5
At this point might as well trade Saquon for a pair of third's while you're at this Dave
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Post by vinnie on Mar 13, 2019 11:04:54 GMT -5
It amazes me how many of you continue to come up with excuses for this arrogant dimwit sorry excuse for a GM. If he wanted to rebuild, fine, but it should have started last year with the draft. He thought we could make a run and it was a gross over estimate of talent. It should have started with drafting a QB or trading back at the very least. But no, he gets a RB that will be wasting his talent on this team for another 2-3 years. Hilarious how many people give him credit for a good draft when he completely botched it and set us back by drafting Barkley (who I love).
Even at the end of the season he had one foot in the door and one out. He should have franchised OBJ and then traded him to avoid the cap hit. He should have traded Collins when he had the chance. Instead he half assed it by only trading Apple and Snacks. He also grossly overpaid on several FA’s and basically tried to out a band aid over a gushing bullet hole.
Now he’s literally having to pay for his mistakes at the expense of some of our best young players. For every one decent move he’s made, there are 2-3 bad moves to counter that. There have literally been several articles written by professionals that reiterate a lot of what I just said but some of you like to try to serve us a shit sandwich and cover it in potpourri. Point being, Gettleman is horrible and the sooner he’s gone the better.
BTW, this has nothing to do with OBJ being traded other than the way he handled it which was just another example of his financial disasters and lack of foresight. And if any of you want to call these facts a “crazy, hate filled rant” then I guess I’ll join the hundreds of other professionals spirts writers and analysts and players who see exactly what DG is...a clueless fraud of a GM.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 11:05:57 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 11:09:23 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 11:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by Roswell on Mar 13, 2019 11:14:00 GMT -5
I'm surprised an experienced writer like Myers doesn't realize that a player is worth more on the trade market when he's signed for the next bunch of years as opposed to one who isn't. The rest of these tweets are just opinions from people who don't know any more than you or I.
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Post by shocknaweny on Mar 13, 2019 11:14:34 GMT -5
Dave is like having a child at the wheel driving you to work in the morning and keeps getting distracted by all the road signs and wanting to take every other exit
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 13, 2019 11:16:38 GMT -5
The NYG have the most dead cap space in the NFL, by nearly 33% more. Thats crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 11:21:11 GMT -5
This is all so bizarre, Id feel better about it if there was an actual solid plan.
If we were to lose collins and obj like this, I wish it had just been done as a total rebuild from the day gettleman and co. took the reins. are we still trying to win right in the middle of a rebuild? is that what this is? its just odd.
Ive loved Eli for everything hes done but at this point ugh just move on from this entire era now. really cut all ties. oh i know we're all adamant that Eli has to be here to groom the next guy. meh, im starting to not care about that as much. groom him for what, to throw lame ducks at the feet of our running back 3 yards from the line of scrimmage.
sick of the oline nonsense, of Eli's strange, inconsistent play, of a wuss defense... ( i do see the signs of this all improving, just frustrated)
Barkley is the only shining light in this organization and i fear hes gonna be 3 years away now from any chance of winning.
maybe the giants have some aces in the hole with this draft, maybe theres receivers they think have elite potential, maybe they are already totally sold on a qb if not haskins....
i really hope theres some actual plan, cause it sure doesnt seem like it now. meh, venting frustration, its not so much the losing as its been many years of the giants now running around in circles with no idea where the destination is. no idea what to think anymore.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 13, 2019 11:22:35 GMT -5
If the Giants called around? Does that guy have any contacts in the league at all? Many, many others report that the Giants were quietly shopping him for months. But I guess he knows better, lol
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