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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 8, 2019 23:47:56 GMT -5
Ha! Wow. Thats some incompetence right there. You have the 5th overall pick and only had a list of 4 guys? lol. I hope DG has a list of 6 guys right now like I do. Totally embarrassing. I feel like Reese did that a couple of times with Flowers and Apple. PS, I miss those days: "Back then, Rounds 1-3 of the draft were held on Saturday, April 20th and Rounds 4-7 were on Sunday, April 21st." Flowers was the guy the Giants were targeting,it was actually obvious as he was brought in for a private workout....and yes Reese let Coughlin talk him into this pick.. And Apple was very much our guy,no we were never interested in Floyd contrary to the rhetoric,and this is a good thing because he was a horrible fit as he is an edge guy for a 3/4 and would have been Clint Sintim 2.0,was happy as **** when the Bears traded ahead of us and he has been very disappointing for them And the fact we turned down a trade back to the Jets which was a generous offer is all we need go know that Apple was our guy or one of tbe guys they really wanted..
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Post by TEM on Apr 9, 2019 6:09:53 GMT -5
Are you kidding . Young had full control . "period". He chose the Uniforms and Helmets . No way in hell, Young allows the HC to make the 5th pick in the draft. The notion of that is beyond hilarious. The guy is full of s### Did you actually read the article? It doesn't say that, it says they fully expected one of their top 4 to be there at 5. They placed Jones in on their big board so highly to placate Reeves. Mara's close relationship made him believe that Phillips was going to be a Raven. When the top 4 were gone at 5 they panicked. I'm simply saying, as the article does, that they knee jerked and took Jones at #5 when they were unable to trade. It's a tale of the danger of lack of preparation. Jones was only at that slot to pacify Reeves. I said my initial comment as a jab at Reeves. The overall story is what can happen when there is lack of preparation and fracture in the draft decision structure. I personally believe it's 100% accurate. It also explains one of the larger draft mysteries of how we drafted such a chump with the 5th overall pick. Imagine if we took someone at #6 this year who had a known condition that we simply overlooked or didn't know about due to lack of investigation. Everyone in the process would be crucified. This is simply a look inside the process that led to one such exact "Giant" failure. I think it's 100% accurate and explains a great deal. What in the world does this guy have to gain by writing it ficticiously 23 years after the fact? Did you really read it? He basically stated George Youngs was not prepared for the first round. The same guy the picked those 5 players I listed in this thread. I am sorry . To even state the control freak George Young lacked diligent preparation for a top 5 pick . That is The biggest crock of Bull S###. I have read this year. It is completely fabricated. It was just a missed pick. The guy used no actual evidence to support his claim . No calibration, No one to say he is correct. Only his story. Not even one piece on the Web in now 22 years to even mildly suggest these events went down. The entire draft room kept that a secret for that long? It is ridiculous
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Apr 9, 2019 8:04:33 GMT -5
Did you actually read the article? It doesn't say that, it says they fully expected one of their top 4 to be there at 5. They placed Jones in on their big board so highly to placate Reeves. Mara's close relationship made him believe that Phillips was going to be a Raven. When the top 4 were gone at 5 they panicked. I'm simply saying, as the article does, that they knee jerked and took Jones at #5 when they were unable to trade. It's a tale of the danger of lack of preparation. Jones was only at that slot to pacify Reeves. I said my initial comment as a jab at Reeves. The overall story is what can happen when there is lack of preparation and fracture in the draft decision structure. I personally believe it's 100% accurate. It also explains one of the larger draft mysteries of how we drafted such a chump with the 5th overall pick. Imagine if we took someone at #6 this year who had a known condition that we simply overlooked or didn't know about due to lack of investigation. Everyone in the process would be crucified. This is simply a look inside the process that led to one such exact "Giant" failure. I think it's 100% accurate and explains a great deal. What in the world does this guy have to gain by writing it ficticiously 23 years after the fact? Did you really read it? He basically stated George Youngs was not prepared for the first round. The same guy the picked those 5 players I listed in this thread. I am sorry . To even state the control freak George Young lacked diligent preparation for a top 5 pick . That is The biggest crock of Bull S###. I have read this year. It is completely fabricated. It was just a missed pick. The guy used no actual evidence to support his claim . No calibration, No one to say he is correct. Only his story. Not even one piece on the Web in now 22 years to even mildly suggest these events went down. The entire draft room kept that a secret for that long? It is ridiculous No I didn't actually read it, I just thought it would be clever as a cover up to ask you if you read it. What is the difference between what you just said and what I said? Only that Jones was placed where he was on the big board to placate Reeves. Of course it's a missed pick, this is just a story inside this particular missed pick. Yeah Young also failed, have I said anything to defend him? I made an off hand comment about Reeves and you're ready to bring on the firing squad. Whatever buddy.
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Post by Parademon1 on Apr 9, 2019 9:36:39 GMT -5
IMO, Youngs biggest mistakes were to not hire BB to replace BP & cutting Simms after a yr in which he led the team to the playoffs & put up Pro Bowl #s in order to put in his great new QB Dave Brown. WTF was he thinking!
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 9, 2019 9:41:21 GMT -5
IMO, Youngs biggest mistakes were to not hire BB to replace BP & cutting Simms after a yr in which he led the team to the playoffs & put up Pro Bowl #s in order to put in his great new QB Dave Brown. WTF was he thinking! The game had started to swiftly pass him by in 1991... Belichick wasn't his fault,the ensuing draft,being hard headed about free agency and wanting not to participate,still having prehistoric measurables for draft prospects and flat out refusing to have players from schools turning out NFL stars on the great teams because they didnt fit his narrative of big always beats little and ignoring team speed...
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Post by Parademon1 on Apr 9, 2019 9:49:20 GMT -5
I have the Giants book about the 86' season (Big Blue wrecking crew) & in it, in the last few chapters post 86' & 90', he states that Young despised BB & wanted TC to be the HC , but TC had already committed to being the HC in college, can't remember if it was BC & that Young then went with the great Ray Handley to replace BP. BB very much wanted to be the Giants next HC.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Apr 9, 2019 10:49:30 GMT -5
Did you really read it? He basically stated George Youngs was not prepared for the first round. The same guy the picked those 5 players I listed in this thread. I am sorry . To even state the control freak George Young lacked diligent preparation for a top 5 pick . That is The biggest crock of Bull S###. I have read this year. It is completely fabricated. It was just a missed pick. The guy used no actual evidence to support his claim . No calibration, No one to say he is correct. Only his story. Not even one piece on the Web in now 22 years to even mildly suggest these events went down. The entire draft room kept that a secret for that long? It is ridiculous No I didn't actually read it, I just thought it would be clever as a cover up to ask you if you read it. What is the difference between what you just said and what I said? Only that Jones was placed where he was on the big board to placate Reeves. Of course it's a missed pick, this is just a story inside this particular missed pick. Yeah Young also failed, have I said anything to defend him? I made an off hand comment about Reeves and you're ready to bring on the firing squad. Whatever buddy. I've heard every detail included in the article before, except for the part where Reeves moved Jones up the board through obstinacy. The author is mostly rehashing/confirming what has been said or written elsewhere. It wasn't one of the scouting departments finer moments regardless of Reeves, however (and the author makes that point himself).
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 9, 2019 12:12:38 GMT -5
How poor preparation led to New York Giants blowing 1996 first-round NFL Draft pick By GREG GABRIEL -- @greggabe If you're familiar with my work, you know I often preach that clubs have to be prepared for the worst-case scenario on draft day. How do I know this? I had to go through a draft when the team that employed me wasn’t prepared for the worst-case scenario when it came time for us to make our first selection. The year was 1996, and I was a scout with the New York Giants. Back then, Rounds 1-3 of the draft were held on Saturday, April 20th and Rounds 4-7 were on Sunday, April 21st. The scouting staff traveled to New Jersey on Easter Sunday, April 7th, so that our final meetings could begin on Monday. When I was working for the Giants, we would stack the draft board top to bottom, beginning with the first round and on through seven rounds. That meant the board would include about 155 players. As each player was brought up, we would discuss him thoroughly before placing his name on the board. We then compared him to the other players who were already stacked above him. Anyone who wrote a report on a given player could speak on the player being discussed. Arguments on certain players could get lengthy — and sometimes heated — but in the end we felt we assigned the right grades In 1996, though, the meetings were a bit different. Dan Reeves was about to begin his fourth and final season as head coach of the Giants. In his first two years, Reeves led the Giants to winning records, and we went to the playoffs following the 1993 season. Ultimately, 1993 was our best year under Reeves, as our won/lost record got worse each succeeding season. With the losses, the relationship between Reeves and the scouting department and the front office got worse every year. Read more.... www.profootballweekly.com/2019/04/08/greg-gabriel-how-poor-preparation-led-to-new-york-giants-blowing-1996-first-round-nfl-draft-pick/avry2hc/Interesting read. Thanks for posting it.
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Post by soflo on Apr 9, 2019 12:19:08 GMT -5
That draft had more than just ramifications for the Giants regarding the pick.
If they had selected Ogden, maybe they minimize that pass rush in the Super Bowl and the Giants possibly beat the Ravens.
I know they lost by 27, but the game was 10-0 with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter when it started to spiral.
And that dubious call on the Jessie Armstead INT touchdown could have made it a 3 point game late. Or tied 10-10 at halftime if Collins doesn't get intercepted in the endzone throwing off his back foot.
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Post by soflo on Apr 9, 2019 12:22:41 GMT -5
Did you actually read the article? It doesn't say that, it says they fully expected one of their top 4 to be there at 5. They placed Jones in on their big board so highly to placate Reeves. Mara's close relationship made him believe that Phillips was going to be a Raven. When the top 4 were gone at 5 they panicked. I'm simply saying, as the article does, that they knee jerked and took Jones at #5 when they were unable to trade. It's a tale of the danger of lack of preparation. Jones was only at that slot to pacify Reeves. I said my initial comment as a jab at Reeves. The overall story is what can happen when there is lack of preparation and fracture in the draft decision structure. I personally believe it's 100% accurate. It also explains one of the larger draft mysteries of how we drafted such a chump with the 5th overall pick. Imagine if we took someone at #6 this year who had a known condition that we simply overlooked or didn't know about due to lack of investigation. Everyone in the process would be crucified. This is simply a look inside the process that led to one such exact "Giant" failure. I think it's 100% accurate and explains a great deal. What in the world does this guy have to gain by writing it ficticiously 23 years after the fact? Did you really read it? He basically stated George Youngs was not prepared for the first round. The same guy the picked those 5 players I listed in this thread. I am sorry . To even state the control freak George Young lacked diligent preparation for a top 5 pick . That is The biggest crock of Bull S###. I have read this year. It is completely fabricated. It was just a missed pick. The guy used no actual evidence to support his claim . No calibration, No one to say he is correct. Only his story. Not even one piece on the Web in now 22 years to even mildly suggest these events went down. The entire draft room kept that a secret for that long? It is ridiculous I'm not sure it's as crazy as it sounds. George Young was very old and sick in those years so it wouldn't be surprising to think he wasn't performing well as the GM at that point. I mean he's the same guy who picked Derek Brown, Jarrod Bunch, Thomas Lewis and Tyrone Wheatley in the years before Cedric Jones.
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 9, 2019 12:24:20 GMT -5
For those that wonder what kind of influence on a GM a personnel staff a strong minded HC can have... Those that wonder will probably read the story. Those who believe the coach has no say probably won't.
People questioned whether or not Reese would be a good fit because they knew he wanted total control. Seems like Parcells and Reeves both had issues with Boisture.
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Post by Parademon1 on Apr 9, 2019 12:46:11 GMT -5
That draft had more than just ramifications for the Giants regarding the pick. If they had selected Ogden, maybe they minimize that pass rush in the Super Bowl and the Giants possibly beat the Ravens. I know they lost by 27, but the game was 10-0 with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter when it started to spiral. And that dubious call on the Jessie Armstead INT touchdown could have made it a 3 point game late. Or tied 10-10 at halftime if Collins doesn't get intercepted in the endzone throwing off his back foot. Giants D played very well in that game IMO. 2 TDs by Ravens were via a pick 6 & KO rt . So D only gave up 21pts & a total of 244 yds. We just had the misfortune of playing against that D. Had we played any other team but Balt, we probably win our 5th.
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Post by hadenough on Apr 9, 2019 12:53:15 GMT -5
Wow...that's poor.
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Post by soflo on Apr 9, 2019 13:00:52 GMT -5
That draft had more than just ramifications for the Giants regarding the pick. If they had selected Ogden, maybe they minimize that pass rush in the Super Bowl and the Giants possibly beat the Ravens. I know they lost by 27, but the game was 10-0 with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter when it started to spiral. And that dubious call on the Jessie Armstead INT touchdown could have made it a 3 point game late. Or tied 10-10 at halftime if Collins doesn't get intercepted in the endzone throwing off his back foot. Giants D played very well in that game IMO. 2 TDs by Ravens were via a pick 6 & KO rt . So D only gave up 21pts & a total of 244 yds. We just had the misfortune of playing against that D. Had we played any other team but Balt, we probably win our 5th. The defense gave up far less than 244 when you think about it, as about half of the ravens total yardage, particularly their rushing yardage, came in the 4Q when the game was basically over. They played well, but needed to be stellar because of how the offense was playing and you could see them losing more and more field position with each series as the first half progressed. Sehorn was the one player who did not play well though (he became the Giants most overrated player after the preseason injury in 98). In the SB he got torched by Stokley and should have been torched for another touchdown but Dilfer overthrow his man by a mile. Then again, Collins did miss Hillard for a TD on a deep pass early in the game as well, so that's a wash. Baltimore also missed a midrange field goal of about 47 yards as well. I always felt the true score of that game should have been something like 24-14 Ravens. Never should have been a blowout. Somebody asked Fassel the following season about it, and he said they started taking more chances on offense in the second half because he wasn't interested in getting beat 3-0. But according to Amani Toomer, Fassel changed too much of the offense in preparation for the Ravens that week and they went away from stuff they had been having success with all year.
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Post by Parademon1 on Apr 9, 2019 13:11:25 GMT -5
Sounds like what the Raiders HC did prior to playing TB in 02' SB. Players said he changed the entire game plan on the day of the SB. I have never watched that 00' SB since then. Too painful. Other game that's too painful to re-watch is the 02' Giants/SF WC game in which the team blew a 38-14 late 3rd qt lead. Refs also robbed the Giants with that BS non PI call that woulda set us up to win the game with a short FG.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 9, 2019 13:23:04 GMT -5
That draft had more than just ramifications for the Giants regarding the pick. If they had selected Ogden, maybe they minimize that pass rush in the Super Bowl and the Giants possibly beat the Ravens. I know they lost by 27, but the game was 10-0 with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter when it started to spiral. And that dubious call on the Jessie Armstead INT touchdown could have made it a 3 point game late. Or tied 10-10 at halftime if Collins doesn't get intercepted in the endzone throwing off his back foot. If Young for once decided to ditch his ancient fuddy duddy measurables and take Ray Lewis at 5 (he was too small and from a non traditional school,remember Young loved fuddy duddy football and the big 10 was basically a bastion of bland ponderous football back then and Miami went against all his outdated values)not only do they win Super Bowl 25,probably don't collapse in the playoffs against the 49ers,and probably survive the 2008 season after Plax and maybe even win in 2010
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Post by soflo on Apr 9, 2019 13:37:33 GMT -5
That draft had more than just ramifications for the Giants regarding the pick. If they had selected Ogden, maybe they minimize that pass rush in the Super Bowl and the Giants possibly beat the Ravens. I know they lost by 27, but the game was 10-0 with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter when it started to spiral. And that dubious call on the Jessie Armstead INT touchdown could have made it a 3 point game late. Or tied 10-10 at halftime if Collins doesn't get intercepted in the endzone throwing off his back foot. If Young for once decided to ditch his ancient fuddy duddy measurables and take Ray Lewis at 5 (he was too small and from a non traditional school,remember Young loved fuddy duddy football and the big 10 was basically a bastion of bland ponderous football back then and Miami went against all his outdated values)not only do they win Super Bowl 25,probably don't collapse in the playoffs against the 49ers,and probably survive the 2008 season after Plax and maybe even win in 2010 Here's something else to consider about George Young. It's been documented by Bill Parcells that he wanted Reggie White in the 1984 supplemental draft and George Young overrode him and took Gary Zimmerman at tackle. Zimmerman went on to be a HOFer, but he refused to play for the Giants, so he immediately forced a trade to the vikings for draft picks. So because of George Young, the Giants didn't have Reggie White on a defense that featured Lawrence Taylor and was coached by Bill Belichick. And because of that, the Philadelphia Eagles kept the Giants out of the playoffs in 1988, a year they could have repeated, especially with Reggie White terrorizing Joe Montana if they had made it. At the very least the Giants wouldn't have had all those frustrating losses to the Eagles in the late 80s to early 90s. George Young wouldn't have had any fingerprints on the 2008 or 2010 team though.
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 9, 2019 15:11:42 GMT -5
It is crazy to think they only seriously considered 4 players picking 5th. And that was with George Young at the helm.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 9, 2019 15:22:55 GMT -5
To be fair, look at some of the next players taken. Lawrence Phillips, Biakabatuka, Rickey Dudley, Regan Upshaw. Total busts. That was one of the best first rounds for WRs but terrible for pass rushers. The player we should’ve taken was Willie Anderson as we spent the next 10 years trying to locate a LT.
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Post by shocknaweny on Apr 9, 2019 15:33:33 GMT -5
That draft was soooooooo bad .....four HOFs and then Cedric Jones lmfao
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 17:25:48 GMT -5
He let a 2 time SB winning HC coach walk because he would not give him any say. He gave Dan reeves say . HAHAHAHAH . The funniest BS story I have read in a while. What fiction book did you read that tale in? Parcells quit in May 91 months after Belichick and TC took HC jobs. He cited health concerns at the time and was back on the sidelines 2 years later with the Pats. Not sure what you are talking about. If you think recent years have been bad for the Giants, you should have folled them in the 70s. George Young turned them from a laughingstock to a SB champion. Ok... but what you don’t realize was that Young was a stubborn S.O.B. who was too arrogant to listen to anybody. Parcells tried to get through to him....no good. Also booted Simms off the team after a career season...pompous idiot. Dan Reeves was a great coach. He failed against us when he was with the Broncos, but that team wouldn’t have been what it was without him. He was a quiet leader...so when someone tells me that he was in control of our draft...GTFO! He made the Broncos what they were, made the Falcons what they were, but he ruined the Giants? GTFO again! No way... this article stinks like a cathouse at low tide!
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Post by TEM on Apr 10, 2019 5:40:05 GMT -5
Did you really read it? He basically stated George Youngs was not prepared for the first round. The same guy the picked those 5 players I listed in this thread. I am sorry . To even state the control freak George Young lacked diligent preparation for a top 5 pick . That is The biggest crock of Bull S###. I have read this year. It is completely fabricated. It was just a missed pick. The guy used no actual evidence to support his claim . No calibration, No one to say he is correct. Only his story. Not even one piece on the Web in now 22 years to even mildly suggest these events went down. The entire draft room kept that a secret for that long? It is ridiculous I'm not sure it's as crazy as it sounds. George Young was very old and sick in those years so it wouldn't be surprising to think he wasn't performing well as the GM at that point. I mean he's the same guy who picked Derek Brown, Jarrod Bunch, Thomas Lewis and Tyrone Wheatley in the years before Cedric Jones. Even if that is true there is no way Accorsi , Reese or any other member of his staff would have let him go into the draft unprepared with a top 5 pick . No scenario works with his story . His plot does not even work with him in the room. The few days leading up to the draft the board is finalized . How in the hell if the writer of this piece along with everyone on the draft staff not question an incomplete Draft board. It is all BS.
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Post by TEM on Apr 10, 2019 5:52:23 GMT -5
Did you really read it? He basically stated George Youngs was not prepared for the first round. The same guy the picked those 5 players I listed in this thread. I am sorry . To even state the control freak George Young lacked diligent preparation for a top 5 pick . That is The biggest crock of Bull S###. I have read this year. It is completely fabricated. It was just a missed pick. The guy used no actual evidence to support his claim . No calibration, No one to say he is correct. Only his story. Not even one piece on the Web in now 22 years to even mildly suggest these events went down. The entire draft room kept that a secret for that long? It is ridiculous No I didn't actually read it, I just thought it would be clever as a cover up to ask you if you read it. What is the difference between what you just said and what I said? Only that Jones was placed where he was on the big board to placate Reeves. Of course it's a missed pick, this is just a story inside this particular missed pick. Yeah Young also failed, have I said anything to defend him? I made an off hand comment about Reeves and you're ready to bring on the firing squad. Whatever buddy. This line is Bull S### "
Going into the draft, we felt confident that, at No. 5, we would land one of our top four players"
No one with any draft experience would go into the draft with this notion. Is he saying the entire Draft team were unprepared idiots including himself? There no way this scenario took place. The Giants FO was not that incompetent. There is a reason why The Giants and Bears both sent him packing.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 10, 2019 10:04:16 GMT -5
No I didn't actually read it, I just thought it would be clever as a cover up to ask you if you read it. What is the difference between what you just said and what I said? Only that Jones was placed where he was on the big board to placate Reeves. Of course it's a missed pick, this is just a story inside this particular missed pick. Yeah Young also failed, have I said anything to defend him? I made an off hand comment about Reeves and you're ready to bring on the firing squad. Whatever buddy. This line is Bull S### "
Going into the draft, we felt confident that, at No. 5, we would land one of our top four players"
No one with any draft experience would go into the draft with this notion. Is he saying the entire Draft team were unprepared idiots including himself? There no way this scenario took place. The Giants FO was not that incompetent. There is a reason why The Giants and Bears both sent him packing. The talking head business is crowded. Maybe Gabriel is trying to get himself noticed. It’s a curiously irrelevant story. I have no idea what he hoped to accomplish by publishing it.
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Post by soflo on Apr 10, 2019 10:30:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's as crazy as it sounds. George Young was very old and sick in those years so it wouldn't be surprising to think he wasn't performing well as the GM at that point. I mean he's the same guy who picked Derek Brown, Jarrod Bunch, Thomas Lewis and Tyrone Wheatley in the years before Cedric Jones. Even if that is true there is no way Accorsi , Reese or any other member of his staff would have let him go into the draft unprepared with a top 5 pick . No scenario works with his story . His plot does not even work with him in the room. The few days leading up to the draft the board is finalized . How in the hell if the writer of this piece along with everyone on the draft staff not question an incomplete Draft board. It is all BS. I too have trouble believing they had no contingency plan after Ogden and Rice were taken off the board, but isn't a lot of criticism about Gettleman directed at the fact that they basically didn't plan for a worst case scenario when they signed Odell to a huge contract last offseason? And if Reeves was having his way then maybe they just didn't have anybody ranked on the same level as the guys they wanted and that gave Reeves the go ahead from the GM to select Cedric Jones. I mean, if the scouting department is sitting there with nobody left who they ranked that high, George Young is probably saying well, if you guys don't have anyone else who you think is as good as this first tier group, and Reeves thinks Jones is in that first tier, then we're going with Jones. Also, Reese joined them in '94 so I doubt Reece had much say or pull in draft matters back in '96. Accorsi also joined in 94 and served as assistant to George Young, so he was only 2 years on the job as well. And as I mentioned elsewhere, Young basically told Parcells they were drafting Gary Zimmerman over Reggie White. So we know he was quite stubborn and didn't listen to people's input at times. Ultimately, who knows whether it's BS or not. But it would be odd for some random scout that nobody knows, remembers or blames for that draft pick to come out and lie about a draft pick gone wrong more than 20 years later. As Sarcasman just noted, it's a curiously irrelevant story.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 10, 2019 10:32:43 GMT -5
That’s the thing, true or not what is the point other than self serving? I can’t see one.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Apr 10, 2019 15:01:23 GMT -5
What fiction book did you read that tale in? Parcells quit in May 91 months after Belichick and TC took HC jobs. He cited health concerns at the time and was back on the sidelines 2 years later with the Pats. Not sure what you are talking about. If you think recent years have been bad for the Giants, you should have folled them in the 70s. George Young turned them from a laughingstock to a SB champion. Ok... but what you don’t realize was that Young was a stubborn S.O.B. who was too arrogant to listen to anybody. Parcells tried to get through to him....no good. Also booted Simms off the team after a career season...pompous idiot. Dan Reeves was a great coach. He failed against us when he was with the Broncos, but that team wouldn’t have been what it was without him. He was a quiet leader...so when someone tells me that he was in control of our draft...GTFO! He made the Broncos what they were, made the Falcons what they were, but he ruined the Giants? GTFO again! No way... this article stinks like a cathouse at low tide! Dan Reeves came in here and tried to put together the NY Broncos. Parcells teams had huge LBs and lineman . Reeves brought in Michael Brooks and Carlton Bailey. After he got rid of all the players he inherited, he won 5 and 6 games. Might have been a good coach but was the wrong man for that job.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Apr 10, 2019 15:03:05 GMT -5
This line is Bull S### "
Going into the draft, we felt confident that, at No. 5, we would land one of our top four players"
No one with any draft experience would go into the draft with this notion. Is he saying the entire Draft team were unprepared idiots including himself? There no way this scenario took place. The Giants FO was not that incompetent. There is a reason why The Giants and Bears both sent him packing. The talking head business is crowded. Maybe Gabriel is trying to get himself noticed. It’s a curiously irrelevant story. I have no idea what he hoped to accomplish by publishing it. Yet 23 later, not a day goes by that I don't think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 16:21:06 GMT -5
Ok... but what you don’t realize was that Young was a stubborn S.O.B. who was too arrogant to listen to anybody. Parcells tried to get through to him....no good. Also booted Simms off the team after a career season...pompous idiot. Dan Reeves was a great coach. He failed against us when he was with the Broncos, but that team wouldn’t have been what it was without him. He was a quiet leader...so when someone tells me that he was in control of our draft...GTFO! He made the Broncos what they were, made the Falcons what they were, but he ruined the Giants? GTFO again! No way... this article stinks like a cathouse at low tide! Dan Reeves came in here and tried to put together the NY Broncos. Parcells teams had huge LBs and lineman . Reeves brought in Michael Brooks and Carlton Bailey. After he got rid of all the players he inherited, he won 5 and 6 games. Might have been a good coach but was the wrong man for that job. But Reeves was losing tools to work with. Remember, we lost a ton of good players to Plan B before he got here. Handley wasn’t doing anything to resolve any issues and neither was Young for that matter. Young was an idiot for letting some of those guys walk! Bavaro, Banks....cmon man! Stubborn pompous arrogant GM! He deserved everything he got!
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Post by Parademon1 on Apr 10, 2019 19:17:32 GMT -5
Now that we're a 3-4 D again, you would think the team would put more emphasis on the LBer position in the draft/FA. This team was once known for being a LBer factory in the NFL.
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