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Post by jimmieray on Jul 30, 2018 6:32:03 GMT -5
I think this has more to do with future negotiations rather than some wording. The team doesn't want to set the tone on the first contract that the player is "in control" regardless how minimal the change. This happens in business all the time. From the article that was posted in this thread: The disagreement between the Jets and Darnold's camp, led by agent Jimmy Sexton, isn't about salary. Rookie contracts are slotted, and as the No. 3 pick, Darnold will make a non-negotiable $30.25 million guaranteed, including a $20.1 million signing bonus.
But the offset language in a rookie contract is negotiable. And according to multiple reports, that's the root of the problem with Darnold. The Jets want offset language in the contract so they can recoup some of the guaranteed money in the contract if Darnold is cut and joins another team before the end of his rookie deal. Darnold and his agent do not want the offset language in the deal.
It seems like a small thing. As you mentioned, the other 1rst round rookie QBs were signed with offset language, and evidently it is common. Possibly if Darnold had been picked by our team instead, it would have been there, too. So why is it such a sticking point for both sides, when it comes to the Jets? Decades of past failures in the QB development area, which everyone recognizes, seems like the lingering factor.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Jul 30, 2018 7:29:38 GMT -5
The Jets would **** up a peanut butter and jelly sandwich if you spottted them the bread and the peanut butter! It’s just a horribly run franchise that doesn’t know how to fix, build or hire the right people to turn it around. I predicted Darnold will be a bust, and was dead set against the Giants picking him because the guy was a turnover machine in college. If he does win the starting job by some miracle, what are faster, experienced NFL DB’s going to do to him, when slower college defenders were always picking him off? I think that Bridgewater will turn out to be the best of the three, Darnold will INT his way out of the starting gig and the Jets will want to dump him, which is why they are holding fast for offsets in his contract, if his turnover habit doesn’t improve as a pro! They moved up to pick him, but seem like they’re skeptical of him overcoming the turnovers. In other words ...they don’t know what the hell theyre doing.....ergo.....SOJ.......SAME OLD JETS.
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Post by nysports98 on Jul 30, 2018 10:01:15 GMT -5
The Jets would **** up a peanut butter and jelly sandwich if you spottted them the bread and the peanut butter! It’s just a horribly run franchise that doesn’t know how to fix, build or hire the right people to turn it around. I predicted Darnold will be a bust, and was dead set against the Giants picking him because the guy was a turnover machine in college. If he does win the starting job by some miracle, what are faster, experienced NFL DB’s going to do to him, when slower college defenders were always picking him off? I think that Bridgewater will turn out to be the best of the three, Darnold will INT his way out of the starting gig and the Jets will want to dump him, which is why they are holding fast for offsets in his contract, if his turnover habit doesn’t improve as a pro! They moved up to pick him, but seem like they’re skeptical of him overcoming the turnovers. In other words ...they don’t know what the hell theyre doing.....ergo.....SOJ.......SAME OLD JETS. Be it an M or a J the incompetence ends with ETS.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jul 30, 2018 10:47:27 GMT -5
The Jets would **** up a peanut butter and jelly sandwich if you spottted them the bread and the peanut butter! It’s just a horribly run franchise that doesn’t know how to fix, build or hire the right people to turn it around. I predicted Darnold will be a bust, and was dead set against the Giants picking him because the guy was a turnover machine in college. If he does win the starting job by some miracle, what are faster, experienced NFL DB’s going to do to him, when slower college defenders were always picking him off? I think that Bridgewater will turn out to be the best of the three, Darnold will INT his way out of the starting gig and the Jets will want to dump him, which is why they are holding fast for offsets in his contract, if his turnover habit doesn’t improve as a pro! They moved up to pick him, but seem like they’re skeptical of him overcoming the turnovers. In other words ...they don’t know what the hell theyre doing.....ergo.....SOJ.......SAME OLD JETS. Be it an M or a J the incompetence ends with ETS. Incompet-ETS? 8D
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Post by EliQB10 on Jul 30, 2018 12:46:36 GMT -5
J-E-T-S, JETS,JETS,JETS!
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Post by KingCap88 on Jul 30, 2018 12:53:50 GMT -5
I think this has more to do with future negotiations rather than some wording. The team doesn't want to set the tone on the first contract that the player is "in control" regardless how minimal the change. This happens in business all the time. From the article that was posted in this thread: The disagreement between the Jets and Darnold's camp, led by agent Jimmy Sexton, isn't about salary. Rookie contracts are slotted, and as the No. 3 pick, Darnold will make a non-negotiable $30.25 million guaranteed, including a $20.1 million signing bonus.
But the offset language in a rookie contract is negotiable. And according to multiple reports, that's the root of the problem with Darnold. The Jets want offset language in the contract so they can recoup some of the guaranteed money in the contract if Darnold is cut and joins another team before the end of his rookie deal. Darnold and his agent do not want the offset language in the deal.
It seems like a small thing.
While I can't stand the Jets, I'm siding with them on this. I don't blame them for wanting to recoup some of the guaranteed money in the event that Darnold is a bust and they cut him before the end of his rookie deal. At the end of the day, Darnold is an unproven rookie so he really doesn't have any leverage. And considering that the Jets traded up and landed the QB they wanted it's not like they're hoping to cut him before the end of his rookie deal.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jul 30, 2018 19:01:46 GMT -5
Well, the standoff is over... Darnold and the Jets came to an agreement to end the hold out.
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Post by EliQB10 on Aug 10, 2018 22:55:47 GMT -5
Darnold looked pretty good tonight however he did not play against the first string defense...let's not anoint him just yet...I can just hear Boomer Esiason singing his praises come Monday morning 🤨
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 11, 2018 2:14:28 GMT -5
Darnold looked pretty good tonight however he did not play against the first string defense...let's not anoint him just yet...I can just hear Boomer Esiason singing his praises come Monday morning 🤨 Well that makes two QBs with stellar opening games. Headline I read said "Darnold makes case for Jets starting role" Mayfield did his thing the night before. Not sure if Rosen & Allen made their first appearances yet. But already after just one game were hearing some media talking heads questioning the Giants selection of Barkley
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 11, 2018 2:25:09 GMT -5
Update: Rosen will see his first action Saturday night for the Cardinals
Allen came in the 2nd half for Buffalo as the 3rd QB behind Peterman & McCarron
He completed some nice mid range passes with zip ran for two 3rd down conversions for 29 yards. But what brought the crowd down were two incomplete passes. 1st one was on his very first snap launching a effortless 60 yarder that was on the money but the WR was just out of bounds
The 2nd one was another bomb this time 62 yards just beyond the out stretched fingertips of his intended target.
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2018 6:19:54 GMT -5
Darnold looked pretty good tonight however he did not play against the first string defense...let's not anoint him just yet...I can just hear Boomer Esiason singing his praises come Monday morning 🤨 Boomer is a A@@ Hole. He does not speak with logic . He uses his show to say ridiculous commentary, just to get a rise out of his listeners. His entire platform is based on trolling not fact. I would rather listen to fingernails on a chalk board than endure his mindless babble.
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Post by EliQB10 on Aug 11, 2018 8:15:18 GMT -5
Darnold looked pretty good tonight however he did not play against the first string defense...let's not anoint him just yet...I can just hear Boomer Esiason singing his praises come Monday morning 🤨 Boomer is a A@@ Hole. He does not speak with logic . He uses his show to say ridiculous commentary, just to get a rise out of his listeners. His entire platform is based on trolling not fact. I would rather listen to fingernails on a chalk board than endure his mindless babble. LOL
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Post by EliQB10 on Aug 11, 2018 8:27:53 GMT -5
Darnold looked pretty good tonight however he did not play against the first string defense...let's not anoint him just yet...I can just hear Boomer Esiason singing his praises come Monday morning 🤨 Well that makes two QBs with stellar opening games. Headline I read said "Darnold makes case for Jets starting role" Mayfield did his thing the night before. Not sure if Rosen & Allen made their first appearances yet. But already after just one game were hearing some media talking heads questioning the Giants selection of Barkley The media was already questioning the Giants selection of Barkley shortly after the pick....Darnold will face tougher defensive schemes as the preseason continues so let's see how this plays out. With that being said there's no denying that the kid was poised and did a lot of things good.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 11:03:09 GMT -5
Darnold looked pretty good tonight however he did not play against the first string defense...let's not anoint him just yet...I can just hear Boomer Esiason singing his praises come Monday morning 🤨 Boomer is a A@@ Hole. He does not speak with logic . He uses his show to say ridiculous commentary, just to get a rise out of his listeners. His entire platform is based on trolling not fact. I would rather listen to fingernails on a chalk board than endure his mindless babble. He really is stupid. I listened for years and was always surprised by how shallow his analysis was. Ratings are king I guess.
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 11, 2018 11:42:43 GMT -5
Boomer is a A@@ Hole. He does not speak with logic . He uses his show to say ridiculous commentary, just to get a rise out of his listeners. His entire platform is based on trolling not fact. I would rather listen to fingernails on a chalk board than endure his mindless babble. He really is stupid. I listened for years and was always surprised by how shallow his analysis was. Ratings are king I guess. well he is a giants fan so I think he tries to be Overly critical on them as to not come off as a Homer
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 11, 2018 12:00:35 GMT -5
Darnold looked pretty good tonight however he did not play against the first string defense...let's not anoint him just yet...I can just hear Boomer Esiason singing his praises come Monday morning 🤨
I didn't watch him closely but from what I saw he looked okay. I saw some questionable decision making. He didn't look as good as Mayfield did.
We need to see these kids play against ones though to get a better idea of how they'll fair. But I will say that Mayfield looks like he's got the right stuff.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 12:22:28 GMT -5
He really is stupid. I listened for years and was always surprised by how shallow his analysis was. Ratings are king I guess. well he is a giants fan so I think he tries to be Overly critical on them as to not come off as a Homer Who? Esaison? He’s not a Giants fan.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 12:23:27 GMT -5
Darnold looked pretty good tonight however he did not play against the first string defense...let's not anoint him just yet...I can just hear Boomer Esiason singing his praises come Monday morning 🤨
I didn't watch him closely but from what I saw he looked okay. I saw some questionable decision making. He didn't look as good as Mayfield did.
We need to see these kids play against ones though to get a better idea of how they'll fair. But I will say that Mayfield looks like he's got the right stuff.
He sure does. It’s too early of course but he looked good
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Post by EliQB10 on Aug 11, 2018 12:45:31 GMT -5
Darnold looked pretty good tonight however he did not play against the first string defense...let's not anoint him just yet...I can just hear Boomer Esiason singing his praises come Monday morning 🤨
I didn't watch him closely but from what I saw he looked okay. I saw some questionable decision making. He didn't look as good as Mayfield did.
We need to see these kids play against ones though to get a better idea of how they'll fair. But I will say that Mayfield looks like he's got the right stuff.
I agree
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 11, 2018 16:49:50 GMT -5
No rookie QB has ever beaten a NE team in the B&B era. Wanna know why, cuz NE takes away the run & forces the newbie to beat em with his arm. They also tend to play aggressive on O & jump out to 10+ pt leads to put even more pressure on the rookie. 2 sure ways of letting a rookie QB beat you is to allow them to have a run game to take the pressure off him & to keep them in the game by only being up by 7 or less. I'm an opposing DC, I stack the box vs any & all rookie QBs & make em beat me with mid range to deep passes, let em dink/dunk between the 20s & then make em settle for 3s when & if they get into the RZ.
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Post by Easy E on Aug 13, 2018 11:47:17 GMT -5
No rookie QB has ever beaten a NE team in the B&B era. Wanna know why, cuz NE takes away the run & forces the newbie to beat em with his arm. They also tend to play aggressive on O & jump out to 10+ pt leads to put even more pressure on the rookie. 2 sure ways of letting a rookie QB beat you is to allow them to have a run game to take the pressure off him & to keep them in the game by only being up by 7 or less. I'm an opposing DC, I stack the box vs any & all rookie QBs & make em beat me with mid range to deep passes, let em dink/dunk between the 20s & then make em settle for 3s when & if they get into the RZ. Hey Parademon, good to see you on these boards!
In 2009 NY Jets rookie QB Mark Sanchez defeated the New England Patriots, a 16–9 victory in the Jets home opener. Sanchez also beat the Patriots twice in the following year, in the regular season and in the playoffs on the road.
Like a previous member posted, I would have been happy with drafting either Barkley or Darnold. Darnold did play well vs the Falcons in the first half, very poised and showed great play making ability. It seems like the Jets coaching staff decided to put it on cruise control in the second half and try to get out of there as quickly as possible.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Aug 13, 2018 12:09:43 GMT -5
well he is a giants fan so I think he tries to be Overly critical on them as to not come off as a Homer Who? Esaison? He’s not a Giants fan. Correct... Esaison grew up a Colts fan because he liked QB Bert Jones.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 13, 2018 12:14:09 GMT -5
My bad. Then Sanchez seems to be the only rookie QB to beat B&B because I really don't recall any other rookie QB beating them. Also, the Jet defense played a big role in beating NE in 09' & then again 2x in 2010. Jet D was #1 D in 09' & #6 in 10'. Usually takes a top 10 D to beat NE. In the 2 wins in 2010, Jets held NE to 21 & 14 pts while in their loss, they got lit up for 45pts. In 09', Jet D held NE to 9pts in their win while in their loss gave up 31. If you wanna see what AFC team in 18' can dethrone NE, you have to see what team has the defensive unit to hold NE under 21 in a game. Maybe the Texans or J-Ville? Steelers/Ravens/Jets?
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Aug 13, 2018 12:19:07 GMT -5
I think the only way the Giants get out of major criticism for not drafting Sam Darnold (or Rosen, Allen or Mayfield for that matter) is if one of the following happens:
1. Giants win a Super Bowl in the next two years with Eli still here.
2. Darnold, Allen, Rosen and Mayfield are all busts. (Highly unlikely).
3. The Giants somehow find a franchise quarterback within the next five years, who is just as good as any of the "2018 QB Rookie Core Four".
4. Barkley becomes an all-time great RB. Right up there with Jim Brown, Walter Payton & Emmitt Smith.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 13, 2018 12:56:20 GMT -5
I think the only way the Giants get out of major criticism for not drafting Sam Darnold (or Rosen, Allen or Mayfield for that matter) is if one of the following happens: 1. Giants win a Super Bowl in the next two years with Eli still here. 2. Darnold, Allen, Rosen and Mayfield are all busts. (Highly unlikely). 3. The Giants somehow find a franchise quarterback within the next five years, who is just as good as any of the "2018 QB Rookie Core Four". 4. Barkley becomes an all-time great RB. Right up there with Jim Brown, Walter Payton & Emmitt Smith. The Giants have been and will continue to be criticized for this. It's unavoidable but ultimately point and meaning-less. But it's all hot air. How four players who aren't on the Giants perform has absolutely zero bearing on the Giants. Those who believe it does are thinking about Madden football not actual football. It's a fun pass time but that's all it is.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 16, 2018 19:51:44 GMT -5
Darnold looks pretty sharp so far.
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Post by EliQB10 on Aug 16, 2018 19:56:40 GMT -5
Darnold looks pretty sharp so far. That he does
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 16, 2018 20:18:12 GMT -5
I think the only way the Giants get out of major criticism for not drafting Sam Darnold (or Rosen, Allen or Mayfield for that matter) is if one of the following happens: 1. Giants win a Super Bowl in the next two years with Eli still here. 2. Darnold, Allen, Rosen and Mayfield are all busts. (Highly unlikely). 3. The Giants somehow find a franchise quarterback within the next five years, who is just as good as any of the "2018 QB Rookie Core Four". 4. Barkley becomes an all-time great RB. Right up there with Jim Brown, Walter Payton & Emmitt Smith. The Giants have been and will continue to be criticized for this. It's unavoidable but ultimately point and meaning-less. But it's all hot air. How four players who aren't on the Giants perform has absolutely zero bearing on the Giants. Those who believe it does are thinking about Madden football not actual football. It's a fun pass time but that's all it is. I understand your point but I'm going to have to disagree. The key argument made against drafting one of these QB's is that none of them is worth drafting. In other words, not of them were any good.
If that argument is proven to be false, then that discredits it.
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 16, 2018 20:40:26 GMT -5
The Giants have been and will continue to be criticized for this. It's unavoidable but ultimately point and meaning-less. But it's all hot air. How four players who aren't on the Giants perform has absolutely zero bearing on the Giants. Those who believe it does are thinking about Madden football not actual football. It's a fun pass time but that's all it is. I understand your point but I'm going to have to disagree. The key argument made against drafting one of these QB's is that none of them is worth drafting. In other words, not of them were any good.
If that argument is proven to be false, then that discredits it.
i would argue none them are real franchise QBs.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 19, 2018 18:26:54 GMT -5
He didn't look so good vs the Skins #1s did he? Last week he played against the Falcons backups if I'm not mistaken. Let's not be anointing this guy the next Joe Willie just yet. Either way, the Jets will be a 6-10 team this yr no matter who they start imo, so you might as well give him the start & let him suffer thru the growing pains of being a starting rookie QB in the NFL. At least then starting next yr, with a better draft & a yr of NFL exp under his belt, he might prove to be worthy of being the #3 pick in the draft.
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