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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 6, 2019 14:28:48 GMT -5
It's never too early to look towards next years draft. Mock draft simulator will be posted by week 3 of the season unless we are 3-0.... hahaha
So based on this years draft and not seeing how the team plays, on paper I would say we need the following.
DE - Possibly we solved the pass rush issues, but I doubt it.
Tackle - Remmers is on a 1 year deal and we need to think about replacing Nate Solder so we don't have to keep paying him above his market value. We also get leverage to keep him and make him take less money
FS - Bethea is not a long term solution and who know what Love will be playing. Time to go get a new Sam Garnes/Kenny Smith
WR - We shall see if we did enough to replace Hoe-dell
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Post by Kase1 on Jun 6, 2019 18:07:59 GMT -5
In no order, id say...
WR ILB Immediate RT, who would shift to LT after Solder Maybe Center, depending on how Halapio does
I feel like Love is being groomed to be the next Safety, otherwise id put safety up there.
Not TOO many needs other than depth, well depending on how 2019 goes......
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Post by fifthavephil on Jun 6, 2019 18:36:29 GMT -5
In no order, id say... WR ILB Immediate RT, who would shift to LT after Solder Maybe Center, depending on how Halapio does I feel like Love is being groomed to be the next Safety, otherwise id put safety up there. Not TOO many needs other than depth, well depending on how 2019 goes...... What, about a edge or OLB pass rusher. This ,season will tell the story.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 6, 2019 19:59:02 GMT -5
It's never too early to look towards next years draft. Mock draft simulator will be posted by week 3 of the season unless we are 3-0.... hahaha So based on this years draft and not seeing how the team plays, on paper I would say we need the following. DE - Possibly we solved the pass rush issues, but I doubt it. Tackle - Remmers is on a 1 year deal and we need to think about replacing Nate Solder so we don't have to keep paying him above his market value. We also get leverage to keep him and make him take less money FS - Bethea is not a long term solution and who know what Love will be playing. Time to go get a new Sam Garnes/Kenny Smith WR - We shall see if we did enough to replace Hoe-dell Well Gee it looks almost exactly what we needed this draft. Pass rusher, RT, S, WR. We have 1 year stop gap players for 3 out of the 4 positions.
But next year there is a lot of cap room, plus the draft of course.
DE - We did not solve the pass rush issues
Tackle - Remmers is good enough to fill this spot. Now his legs just need to hold up.
FS - Bethea is an upgrade but this position will need to be addressed. I don't know anything about Love. (Assuredly my wife will attest to this statement).
WR - The answer is "NO". How do you replace Odell Beckham ? Tate will suffice for a year as a possession receiver.
I do agree we need to address these positions next year and we have the capacity to do it with the cap space.
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Post by TEM on Jun 6, 2019 20:12:09 GMT -5
How can that be ascertained without knowing where the deficiencies are without seeing them first hand . We need to play the season to see what are the most pressing needs.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 6, 2019 22:23:42 GMT -5
How can that be ascertained without knowing where the deficiencies are without seeing them first hand . We need to play the season to see what are the most pressing needs. Honest question. Do you think the Giants scouts wait until the season is underway to start evaluating team needs and areas to improve? or the GM for that matter? Guys have been cut and waived without playing a single snap. Teams know what they are after and the season may just change their minds, but you can look at most teams and know what they are lacking. Jets need a WR, but someone might turn into a pro bowler by week 5 and the focus changes a bit. Best to shop around I say.
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Post by TEM on Jun 7, 2019 6:32:36 GMT -5
How can that be ascertained without knowing where the deficiencies are without seeing them first hand . We need to play the season to see what are the most pressing needs. Honest question. Do you think the Giants scouts wait until the season is underway to start evaluating team needs and areas to improve? or the GM for that matter? Guys have been cut and waived without playing a single snap. Teams know what they are after and the season may just change their minds, but you can look at most teams and know what they are lacking. Jets need a WR, but someone might turn into a pro bowler by week 5 and the focus changes a bit. Best to shop around I say. There is a difference in cutting a waving players outside outside the 51 and evaluating needs for the next offseason . Most of those players are ST and or depth. So I do not call those a fill a need move. I believe that is just replacing for a better player for that 90 man roster spot. What I see now and this is just an observation . Our 2 Offensive Guards are set . our 2 Offensive Tackles are not . I think we need to find and groom them before Solder and Remmers abilities start to falter.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 7, 2019 9:13:55 GMT -5
Honest question. Do you think the Giants scouts wait until the season is underway to start evaluating team needs and areas to improve? or the GM for that matter? Guys have been cut and waived without playing a single snap. Teams know what they are after and the season may just change their minds, but you can look at most teams and know what they are lacking. Jets need a WR, but someone might turn into a pro bowler by week 5 and the focus changes a bit. Best to shop around I say. There is a difference in cutting a waving players outside outside the 51 and evaluating needs for the next offseason . Most of those players are ST and or depth. So I do not call those a fill a need move. I believe that is just replacing for a better player for that 90 man roster spot. What I see now and this is just an observation . Our 2 Offensive Guards are set . our 2 Offensive Tackles are not . I think we need to find and groom them before Solder and Remmers abilities start to falter. Hi Tem, I agree with your assumption of the OL but I would think the RT is addressed next year and the LT the year after. As of today this unit on paper looks better than good. But we'll have to wait 6 weeks or so till pre season.
I'm just inspired cause once we got Brown inserted the 2nd half of last season the offense took off. I'm thinking were significantly stronger this season and the sooner this OL meshes the better. Hopefully it becomes a beast.
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Post by shocknaweny on Jun 7, 2019 10:11:09 GMT -5
LB RT WR Safety
off the top of m head....hopefully Carter and Ximines flourish on the outside but on the inside Ogletree and Goodson are still HUGE question marks going forward
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 7, 2019 10:14:21 GMT -5
How can we know yet? We haven't even played 2019...
We can say pass rush but Ximines and Carter and company could squash that.
OL could be much better with Zietler plugging away and another year of growth for Hernandez.
If I had to guess?
I'll say WR, MLB and C
And maybe QB but that wouldn't happen.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 7, 2019 10:48:37 GMT -5
How can we know yet? We haven't even played 2019... We can say pass rush but Ximines and Carter and company could squash that. OL could be much better with Zietler plugging away and another year of growth for Hernandez. If I had to guess? I'll say WR, MLB and C And maybe QB but that wouldn't happen. You ALWAYS keep an eye out for Pass Rush. It is the Giants way. We had Strahan and Osi and still picked up Tuck and the other guy who let the QB go during a sack. I don't know why I can't think of his name today
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 7, 2019 10:58:25 GMT -5
How can we know yet? We haven't even played 2019... We can say pass rush but Ximines and Carter and company could squash that. OL could be much better with Zietler plugging away and another year of growth for Hernandez. If I had to guess? I'll say WR, MLB and C And maybe QB but that wouldn't happen. You ALWAYS keep an eye out for Pass Rush. It is the Giants way. We had Strahan and Osi and still picked up Tuck and the other guy who let the QB go during a sack. I don't know why I can't think of his name today I agree. And it was Kiwanuka. Also had JPP.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 7, 2019 11:19:44 GMT -5
Yeah...Kiwi....Poor guy got forced into a LB role because we had too much talent on the DL.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 7, 2019 11:55:57 GMT -5
Yeah...Kiwi....Poor guy got forced into a LB role because we had too much talent on the DL. Just one of the many personnel gaffes that cost this team dearly over nearly the past decade.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 7, 2019 15:34:03 GMT -5
Based on Jordans minicamp observations, we still need a money backer and safety to cover the middle of the field. If I see Jason Witten catching passes on us, I'll be sick...
Maybe we should have gone after Deron Lee.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 7, 2019 15:43:27 GMT -5
Based on Jordans minicamp observations, we still need a money backer and safety to cover the middle of the field. If I see Jason Witten catching passes on us, I'll be sick... Maybe we should have gone after Deron Lee. somehow I have the feeling that the Cowboys talked Witten out of retirement just so they can use him against us to ensure their win....
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Post by Kase1 on Jun 7, 2019 22:49:59 GMT -5
In no order, id say... WR ILB Immediate RT, who would shift to LT after Solder Maybe Center, depending on how Halapio does I feel like Love is being groomed to be the next Safety, otherwise id put safety up there. Not TOO many needs other than depth, well depending on how 2019 goes...... What, about a edge or OLB pass rusher. This ,season will tell the story. I have a good feeling between Carter, Ximines, and Golden. Of course it wouldnt hurt to get another pass rusher Youre right, only time will tell...
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 12, 2019 8:31:29 GMT -5
Basicly ae don't know as of now,but you are scouting players since the day they first suit up in the NCAA so we know who is out there and what year.
We have the advantage of having a ton of cap space next year,ideally we see our young pass rushers be legit and big George steal the RT job,and Slayton show signs he can be legit,and Conrad take Simmonson's spot with the aim on Ellison's job in 2020 so we have an great 12 formation.
From what I gather next year will be deep at WR and o line,however,the dynamics of offense in college have started to trickle into the pros where guards and C are more important than tackles,a lot of great guards next year so unless they want to start planning for life after Zeitler this would be a waste other than depth. Then you look to what positions historically are deep with talent in FA that actually succeed on big contracts, RT CB are always out there,but CB was addressed Usually every few years a blue chip pass rusher makes it to the open market,and Clowney could make it,but to me this guy has been a dissapointemnt,not a guy I would want to give a 100 million dollar deal to. Middle linebacker and safety can be addressed either FA or draft WR is always one of the worst positions to try to fix via FA,often it's a complimentary type piece that puts up huge numbers opposite a legit number 1(going back to Alvin Harper,Peerless Price,even Manningham)that turn into fools gold when a team tries to make that guy a number 1. I'd rather use an early pick at WR next year (depending on where we draft,other than the kid from Alabama i don't see a top 10 pick in this group,I do see a lot of guys that would flourish in our modern system,ie,Cee Cee Lamb,the 2 kids from Ohio State)
It's all going to depend on how this class is and how the kids from the last 2 classes continue to develop
Ideally we can go BPA and hit some holes with a need pick that matches value early and this roster is flush with young talent
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 25, 2019 11:33:20 GMT -5
WR OT LB S
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 25, 2019 13:36:27 GMT -5
RT unfortunately will be a huge ?? Because we didn't find out a thing with Big George being in the concussion protocol most of the preseason,and unfortunately being a 7th round pick and the team hopefully being in a win now window starting next year you can't play the "he might...potential " game Williams and Conklin will be out there .... WR...even if Latimer has a freak break out year and Slayton is legit.. 1.Latimer will want 40 million...off a one year wonder type year he walks..also Tate can be deleted soon..so that is a need..depending on what Slayton is is whether this is a bonafide major need or a BPA type luxury pick early. LB Again..to be determined....Connelly looks legit so far..Tae Davis still is raw but has potential...the outside guys will be given full opportunity to develop.. S. Could be a sneaky need but let's see what happens as well..
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Post by TEM on Aug 25, 2019 14:16:11 GMT -5
Offensive Center and both OTs
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 31, 2019 15:16:42 GMT -5
With big George being IRed long term RT is now a major need in 2020
Hoping this one can be adressed in FA
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 31, 2019 16:10:26 GMT -5
as has been mentioned here I think we need a top quality pass rusher for both sides unless someone steps up for us this year..
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 31, 2019 18:03:52 GMT -5
as has been mentioned here I think we need a top quality pass rusher for both sides unless someone steps up for us this year.. Right now pass rusher and dynamic X factor reciever go in the TBD category as we have some prospects at both these spots,behind future long term RT for being the biggest need right now
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Post by TEM on Aug 31, 2019 18:59:34 GMT -5
as has been mentioned here I think we need a top quality pass rusher for both sides unless someone steps up for us this year.. Right now pass rusher and dynamic X factor reciever go in the TBD category as we have some prospects at both these spots,behind future long term RT for being the biggest need right now Are you sure? Could our biggest need be a 2nd FB?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 5:41:16 GMT -5
Offensive tackle and the obvious...pass rush/defense.
Defense...need to say that again
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Post by drew on Sept 15, 2019 20:17:44 GMT -5
LB FS WR LB
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 21:33:54 GMT -5
Moses - Thump from the Tide Delpit - IMHO, BPA...Ed Reed quality Jeudy - Might be the BPA...sure is the next great Tide receiver to enter the NFL...as the Falcons play behind me with a couple decent ones Simmons - A perfect hybrid that will end up top 10...Bettcher type player and a total stud....run stuff, cover the slot and tight end...blitz and get to the QB...athletic freak. Chase Young should be the guy if he continues to dominate with Ohio State...and he is available when we pick. He can play in a 3-4 .....QB's should push this stud down. Losing this year has its future rewards...many teams are going to want that QB.
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Post by lasion2 on Sept 15, 2019 21:56:49 GMT -5
My list, sadly, is getting longer by the week instead of shorter as we hoped. I think we still need another 6-8 weeks to really lock it down, but DL is rising with a bullet. After 2 weeks I haven’t seen the progression of BJ Hill or Dalvin Tomlinson. It’s not the top needs of WR or LB/EDGE, but I thought/hoped the DL would be a strength. If it’s avg at best and Hill/Tomlinson are really solid rotation guys and we need to invest resources there; I might have to punt on being competitive in 2020. You knew the secondary was gonna be a project. You knew the LBs were short on talent. But needing help on all three levels would extend the rebuild in my mind. 6-8 weeks till we know for sure.
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Post by bluebuddha on Sept 16, 2019 17:19:42 GMT -5
Moses - Thump from the Tide Delpit - IMHO, BPA...Ed Reed quality Jeudy - Might be the BPA...sure is the next great Tide receiver to enter the NFL...as the Falcons play behind me with a couple decent ones Simmons - A perfect hybrid that will end up top 10...Bettcher type player and a total stud....run stuff, cover the slot and tight end...blitz and get to the QB...athletic freak. Chase Young should be the guy if he continues to dominate with Ohio State...and he is available when we pick. He can play in a 3-4 .....QB's should push this stud down. Losing this year has its future rewards...many teams are going to want that QB. Big fan of Simmons since last year. He is a modern NFL linebacker . Can cover, tackle , chase and blitz. I believe he is a converted saftey.
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