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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 11, 2019 9:00:23 GMT -5
No matter how people feel about Eli we all knew he could win and perform on the biggest stage, the Giants wasted the second half of his career they new what he was a pocket passer that could slide in the pocket but was not good out of it, sometimes it's not as easy as it seems to get the pieces in place to help your guy, this team tried to draft OL just couldn't hit. Jerry Reese could draft Forrest Gregg in the draft and he would select Forrest Gump. That was his Achilles heel, that and linebackers. Seemed to me by the end they were pot shoting it hit one misS 8-10 going into the next draft, just really didn't have a good support system around him to this day when I see Marc Rosses face as a draft analyst I wanna go through the screen and slap him, it's funny as hell when Ohara has to be on with him he has a look on him that could burn a hole through him Ohara don't like him. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 11, 2019 10:59:30 GMT -5
Does it really matter who is #2? Barring injury, only Darnold is ever going to see a snap.
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Post by Speedman on Jul 11, 2019 11:58:34 GMT -5
Did anyone bother to read the article? I don't see a link to an article? I’m not sure where I read the article. It was by a guy named Florio. He said “apparently” not anything official from the Jets. I took it that it was his opinion. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 11, 2019 16:05:34 GMT -5
why? how many other "Aaron Rogers" have the NYGs let go to other teams? Or had their own for that matter.. Yea that is true....it would definitely be bad though I dont see things like that. If Webb winds becoming a good NFL QB then so be it. Being on a different team is maybe the reason why. Look at what Foles did? Thats not The Rams fault or loss. It just is what it is. |
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Post by SemperFi on Jul 11, 2019 17:30:22 GMT -5
Slow down, Really? Who designated you as our message board cop? And, by the way, you happen to be wrong as well. I'm wrong? really? If that the case then I can only infer that you must work for the Jets organization and were involved in the slotting of him on the depth chart. If not. How am I wrong? Last year Davis Webb was #3 on the chart. McCown was #2. McCown retired. Eveyone behind him slides up a spot. That is a quantifiable fact. No guessing, assumptions but just a cold hard fact. Also considering that most NFL teams don't even set a depth chart until right before training camp and Davis Webb having been with the team last year. Logic would dictate that he would enter camp as #2. Yes, I know Simiean was signed, Yes I know that he has started before. But to say he was hired to be the backup is again making assumptions. You are wrong because, yes, he was hired to be a back-up. My assumption is more factual than your cold hard fact, which is specious reasoning. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 11, 2019 21:35:03 GMT -5
Yea that is true....it would definitely be bad though I dont see things like that. If Webb winds becoming a good NFL QB then so be it. Being on a different team is maybe the reason why. Look at what Foles did? Thats not The Rams fault or loss. It just is what it is. Sometimes new surroundings are good other times it is just the right time. |
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Post by bluecusen on Jul 11, 2019 21:44:30 GMT -5
I don't see a link to an article? I’m not sure where I read the article. It was by a guy named Florio. He said “apparently” not anything official from the Jets. I took it that it was his opinion. Thanks. I'm getting old....thought I was losing it. |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 11, 2019 22:26:03 GMT -5
Wasn't Gase part of the Broncos when they drafted simien? They probably want to give the younger and less experienced Webb as many reps as possible (as the 2, at least) so they can see what he's about. As a vet Seimien just doesnt need the reps, Gase knows what he has in him.
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Post by magilla on Jul 11, 2019 23:23:35 GMT -5
Good for Davis Webb. Seems like a good kid and moving ahead of Trevor Simien, a proven NFL QB that has a lot of starts is a very good sign.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 12, 2019 1:04:58 GMT -5
I’m sure Darnold is shaking in his boots now....
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 12, 2019 7:04:28 GMT -5
I’m sure Darnold is shaking in his boots now.... He should at least be concerned ,He is in his second year with his second HC and second Offensive scheme...his back up knows as much as he does. Haha |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 12, 2019 8:11:07 GMT -5
I’m sure Darnold is shaking in his boots now.... He should at least be concerned ,He is in his second year with his second HC and second Offensive scheme...his back up knows as much as he does. nah....all Darnold has to do is concentrate on getting better. He is the starter and none of his back ups are a threat at all at this time. Webb, Simien, or whomever are not there to take his spot. There is no QB competition for the #1QB in the Jets camp. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 12, 2019 8:14:30 GMT -5
I’m sure Darnold is shaking in his boots now.... He should at least be concerned ,He is in his second year with his second HC and second Offensive scheme...his back up knows as much as he does. Barring injury...Darnold is going to be a really good NFL QB. |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 12, 2019 8:27:55 GMT -5
It's very unlikely, but imagine is somehow Webb overtakes Darnold as the starter and turns out to be a good QB?
It would be both hilarious and tragic to think both NY teams wasted top end draft picks on QBs and ignored a starter already on their roster.
I think these boards would have a full melt down.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 12, 2019 8:41:59 GMT -5
It's very unlikely, but imagine is somehow Webb overtakes Darnold as the starter and turns out to be a good QB? It would be both hilarious and tragic to think both NY teams wasted top end draft picks on QBs and ignored a starter already on their roster. I think these boards would have a full melt down. unless someone has a crystal ball then this scenario means nothing. What Webb accomplishes from this point forward, if anything, means nothing in regard to the Jets drafting Darnold or the Giants drafting Jones. Its not like Webb was seen as some cant miss sleeper. It will be a big media thing but its would be all hindsight |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 12, 2019 9:31:42 GMT -5
It's very unlikely, but imagine is somehow Webb overtakes Darnold as the starter and turns out to be a good QB? It would be both hilarious and tragic to think both NY teams wasted top end draft picks on QBs and ignored a starter already on their roster. I think these boards would have a full melt down. .............not if Jones turns out to be all that he is suppose to be. Hopefully, no matter what happens with Webb, Jones becomes what we all hope for him. |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 12, 2019 9:35:12 GMT -5
It's very unlikely, but imagine is somehow Webb overtakes Darnold as the starter and turns out to be a good QB? It would be both hilarious and tragic to think both NY teams wasted top end draft picks on QBs and ignored a starter already on their roster. I think these boards would have a full melt down. unless someone has a crystal ball then this scenario means nothing. What Webb accomplishes from this point forward, if anything, means nothing in regard to the Jets drafting Darnold or the Giants drafting Jones. Its not like Webb was seen as some cant miss sleeper. It will be a big media thing but its would be all hindsight It would say something about each organization's ability to evaluate talent that is right in front of them. . It doesn't really matter, it was more of a funny thought of how these boards would implode. Remember, there are people on these boards who have constructed this magical pathway to dynasty where the Giants dont draft Eli, Kurt Warner leads the team from 2004 through 2007, and the team drafts Aaron Rodgers in 2006 and how much better off the team would have been had that all played out. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 12, 2019 9:40:48 GMT -5
Barring injury...Darnold is going to be a really good NFL QB. .......as long as the Jets don't screw him up. Sanchez was suppose to be a really good NFL QB too , just saying. I guess that same caveat applies to any young QB. |
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 12, 2019 9:46:41 GMT -5
If the team is 1-3 I wanna see Jones bottom line....I don't care if Eli has 18 touchdowns at that point if the entire team isn't marching towards an NFC East Crown put in DJ
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Post by GameTime on Jul 12, 2019 9:54:49 GMT -5
unless someone has a crystal ball then this scenario means nothing. What Webb accomplishes from this point forward, if anything, means nothing in regard to the Jets drafting Darnold or the Giants drafting Jones. Its not like Webb was seen as some cant miss sleeper. It will be a big media thing but its would be all hindsight It would say something about each organization's ability to evaluate talent that is right in front of them. . It doesn't really matter, it was more of a funny thought of how these boards would implode. Remember, there are people on these boards who have constructed this magical pathway to dynasty where the Giants dont draft Eli, Kurt Warner leads the team from 2004 through 2007, and the team drafts Aaron Rodgers in 2006 and how much better off the team would have been had that all played out. all valid points....Webb is a long shot to be anything more than a back up in the NFL. The Giants, at this stage of the game, were not wrong about him. |
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 12, 2019 11:42:57 GMT -5
Funny thing is it's all so speculative with Webb. Although, it seems like many comments point to him as being a back-up or bust
The best thing that can happen for him is to have a solid summer camp & get some pre-season playing time and perform well enough to raise some eyebrows. Then sit as the back-up.
His best hope is maybe some QB starved team is willing to take a gamble on him. He does have size, mobility and the arm strength
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 12, 2019 15:34:35 GMT -5
Trevor Siemian is now 3rd.
Good for Davis. He seemed like a good kid and hard worker.
Rooting for him. I think he got a raw deal here with the new regime. I guess we'll never know the real reason Davis was let go, he had to be a whole lot better that the guys we have now behind Jones.... |
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 12, 2019 15:38:49 GMT -5
Darnold gets hurt....Webb comes in and lights it up like Aaron Rodgers and we had our QB of the future all along that would be tragic but oh so New York Giants lol  Cinderella boy makes good, I love it... |
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Post by Jomo on Jul 12, 2019 16:43:23 GMT -5
I would take Webb over Lauletta any day as a long shot backup.
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 13, 2019 8:58:24 GMT -5
If the team is 1-3 I wanna see Jones bottom line....I don't care if Eli has 18 touchdowns at that point if the entire team isn't marching towards an NFC East Crown put in DJ Sorry ,no, if the Giants are 1-3 after four games( after 4 games the leader might be 2-2) and Eli has 18 TD's there is no chance in hell you see Jones at QB . You might see the Offense playing defense but not a chance of a change at QB in that scenario. What would be the point of delaying the future so Eli can lead us to 5-11 again  ....If this team is not winning I think DG and PAt put in the guy that can run the system well and start the future regardless of Eli playing great or terrible IMO anyway |
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Post by dream88 on Jul 13, 2019 9:35:20 GMT -5
If the team is 1-3 I wanna see Jones bottom line....I don't care if Eli has 18 touchdowns at that point if the entire team isn't marching towards an NFC East Crown put in DJ Sorry ,no, if the Giants are 1-3 after four games( after 4 games the leader might be 2-2) and Eli has 18 TD's there is no chance in hell you see Jones at QB . You might see the Offense playing defense but not a chance of a change at QB in that scenario. It might not necessarily be fair but if the team drops to 2-3 games under .500 at any point I think we'll see Jones almost regardless of how well Eli plays (not withstanding the crazy hypothetical of him having 18 TDs through 4 games). Realistically, if Eli is playing great we probably aren't going to run into this problem as we'll likely win some games. But if the team is 2-4 or 3-5 I think we'll see Jones. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 13, 2019 10:33:43 GMT -5
What would be the point of delaying the future so Eli can lead us to 5-11 again ....If this team is not winning I think DG and PAt put in the guy that can run the system well and start the future regardless of Eli playing great or terrible IMO anyway In the scenario I quoted you on ,if they replace Eli .........they should all be fired! your scenario is fantasy land....lol |
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 13, 2019 10:38:11 GMT -5
In the scenario I quoted you on ,if they replace Eli .........they should all be fired! your scenario is fantasy land....lol Well of course it is lol  Eli may not throw 18 touchdowns all season and based on his career numbers he probably wont....my point is that even if he is playing on a super human level is the team is 1-4 it does not really matter....it is time to turn the page |
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 13, 2019 10:46:36 GMT -5
I get what you are saying Red and yea you may have a point...if 1-3 probably best not to blow in up but lately 1-3 turns into 1-7 very fast with this franchise
Anyway like you and GT pointed out Eli is not even capable of having anywhere near 18 touchdowns after four games so it does not matter...he will play like the QB we have all watched for the last five or six years and play himself right out of the lineup so all this arguing is moot
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 13, 2019 10:58:57 GMT -5
I think the defence is going to be improved BIG time ...I am a believer in Peppers and Beal not to mention DeAndre ( lockdown ) Baker and that monster Dexter Lawrence
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....If this team is not winning I think DG and PAt put in the guy that can run the system well and start the future regardless of Eli playing great or terrible IMO anyway 
