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Post by DandyDon on Jul 13, 2019 13:32:26 GMT -5
I think the defence is going to be improved BIG time ...I am a believer in Peppers and Beal not to mention DeAndre ( lockdown ) Baker and that monster Dexter Lawrence I think it will ultimately be much improved, but I still think it will not be great early. Too many new players and too little practice time in the offseason.
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 13, 2019 15:29:36 GMT -5
Sorry ,no, if the Giants are 1-3 after four games( after 4 games the leader might be 2-2) and Eli has 18 TD's there is no chance in hell you see Jones at QB . You might see the Offense playing defense but not a chance of a change at QB in that scenario. What would be the point of delaying the future so Eli can lead us to 5-11 again ....If this team is not winning I think DG and PAt put in the guy that can run the system well and start the future regardless of Eli playing great or terrible IMO anyway I agree with those who say that Eli is on a short leash and if the team starts out losing a few games the change could happen sooner rather than later, but I really feel the owners are going to give Eli a lot more latitude than some of us would just out of respect knowing that the change is already in the books...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 17:20:55 GMT -5
example of why it was selfish for eli to demand he play the full games while eliminated .
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 13, 2019 18:04:44 GMT -5
example of why it was selfish for eli to demand he play the full games while eliminated . He never did any such thing. I know that your goal around here is to just troll people, but your goals will be easier to accomplish if you maintain even a minimum level of credibility
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 13, 2019 18:13:58 GMT -5
example of why it was selfish for eli to demand he play the full games while eliminated . He never did any such thing. I know that your goal around here is to just troll people, but your goals will be easier to accomplish if you maintain even a minimum level of credibility He has never had any credibility on anything Manning related. Just pure hate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 18:20:40 GMT -5
example of why it was selfish for eli to demand he play the full games while eliminated . He never did any such thing. I know that your goal around here is to just troll people, but your goals will be easier to accomplish if you maintain even a minimum level of credibility so tell me what happened when spaggs was named interim coach? Eli wanted to play the full games. there is no trying to deny that fact.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 13, 2019 19:11:36 GMT -5
He never did any such thing. I know that your goal around here is to just troll people, but your goals will be easier to accomplish if you maintain even a minimum level of credibility so tell me what happened when spaggs was named interim coach? Eli wanted to play the full games. there is no trying to deny that fact. Let's play a game of "pretend" for a second. Pretend you are Spags. Pretend you believe the moon landing actually happened Pretend you don't believe that aliens built the pyramids. You are named interm HC, and want to get the gig full time. You ca choose from 3 guys for the QB 1) Geno 2) A guy he couldn't pick out of a line up 3) A guy you won a SB with
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 0:26:36 GMT -5
so tell me what happened when spaggs was named interim coach? Eli wanted to play the full games. there is no trying to deny that fact. Let's play a game of "pretend" for a second. Pretend you are Spags. Pretend you believe the moon landing actually happened Pretend you don't believe that aliens built the pyramids. You are named interm HC, and want to get the gig full time. You ca choose from 3 guys for the QB 1) Geno 2) A guy he couldn't pick out of a line up 3) A guy you won a SB with you have a point however eli was not playing at a 2011 level. the point is Eli could have done as asked an only play the half of games , but did not want to do so . sorry thats not a team player , imagine a player telling a coach ill play a full game or nothing . smh this generation
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Post by nyer on Jul 14, 2019 1:08:22 GMT -5
This was a very entertaining thread, ty to all who participated! Y’all so dumb tho like you haven’t been paying attn all these farkin’ yrs: ELISHA WILL PLAY OUT THE WHOLE SEASON! This is what nostalgic dumbass owners do, smfh, y’all are like Knix fans thinking shit is gonna change around here. I’m just praying like hell that Danielson is the real deal and the more hype around him , the better, bc I don’t want to watch another garbage Manning season for nothing. Btw, just realized this post was meant for the DJ thread but am too lazy to move it.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 14, 2019 8:16:42 GMT -5
Let's play a game of "pretend" for a second. Pretend you are Spags. Pretend you believe the moon landing actually happened Pretend you don't believe that aliens built the pyramids. You are named interm HC, and want to get the gig full time. You ca choose from 3 guys for the QB 1) Geno 2) A guy he couldn't pick out of a line up 3) A guy you won a SB with you have a point however eli was not playing at a 2011 level. the point is Eli could have done as asked an only play the half of games , but did not want to do so . sorry thats not a team player , imagine a player telling a coach ill play a full game or nothing . smh this generation its the coaches and GMs fault. Eli wants to play and said what he said.....so what. They didnt have to agree with his demands. They screwed the whole thing up from the inception. They should have told Eli this is they way it will go down.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 14, 2019 10:11:56 GMT -5
Also Siemian is a bum and is not worthy of a roster spot in the CFL....worse starting QB I have ever watched play in the NFL It's wild who the NFL allows to play.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 14, 2019 10:12:34 GMT -5
I think the defence is going to be improved BIG time ...I am a believer in Peppers and Beal not to mention DeAndre ( lockdown ) Baker and that monster Dexter Lawrence I believe your right the defense will improve but it might take some time, 3 of those talented yet inexperienced players have 0 NFL snaps under their belts I believe they will all be good but I am realistic they will need some time to grow.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 14, 2019 10:24:32 GMT -5
you have a point however eli was not playing at a 2011 level. the point is Eli could have done as asked an only play the half of games , but did not want to do so . sorry thats not a team player , imagine a player telling a coach ill play a full game or nothing . smh this generation its the coaches and GMs fault. Eli wants to play and said what he said.....so what. They didnt have to agree with his demands. They screwed the whole thing up from the inception. They should have told Eli this is they way it will go down. Think Eli knew his streak of consecutive games was important and didn't want it to be a sham, this whole Idea was a joke and the way they did it was even dumber, he should have been called upstairs and talked to by Mara and Tisch with Reese and Mac Adope there also, he isn't just another player, this narrative he didn't want to play he didn't want to be involved in a bush league plan to give him fake starts and as he said how fare is it to the guy going in he comes in after 2 series or whatever, this was the final straw in a 5 years of Giants football that was a joke for the whole league to laugh at ,firing good coaches one or 2 a year because they didn't want to give up on their lousy draft picks and so on, this was an embarrassing 5 year span that was as bush as it gets in pro sports it hurt to watch this team turn into a joke.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 9, 2019 4:58:48 GMT -5
Man, Webb is terrible. He’s going to have a hard time making that team.
Well our braintrust seems to have gotten that one right — Tanney and Lauletta are both better than Webb
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 9, 2019 5:32:20 GMT -5
Webb was with the Giants and handled a crappy situation as well as could be expected and never complained about it as far as I recall
So I am rooting for the guy
I hope he gets a chance to at least prove whether he is capable or not
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 9, 2019 5:43:34 GMT -5
I said this 2 years ago, if Webb fails, its not for lack of effort. Unfortunately, he's had MANY opportunities in preseason and failed every test. His time has past.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 9, 2019 5:49:00 GMT -5
Webb was with the Giants and handled a crappy situation as well as could be expected and never complained about it as far as I recall So I am rooting for the guy I hope he gets a chance to at least prove whether he is capable or not What crappy situation was he handed exactly?
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 9, 2019 6:05:52 GMT -5
Webb was with the Giants and handled a crappy situation as well as could be expected and never complained about it as far as I recall So I am rooting for the guy I hope he gets a chance to at least prove whether he is capable or not What crappy situation was he handed exactly? he got cut when fans wanted to keep him even though he sucked in every preseason game he played.
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Post by Eazy E on Aug 9, 2019 6:49:36 GMT -5
Webb sucks, I thought last year he displayed one of the worst NFL preseason games in NFL history. Why would he ever be a starter.
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 9, 2019 13:16:32 GMT -5
Webb was with the Giants and handled a crappy situation as well as could be expected and never complained about it as far as I recall So I am rooting for the guy I hope he gets a chance to at least prove whether he is capable or not What crappy situation was he handed exactly? His rookie season he comes to the Giants which had some serious issues losing games, Eli getting benched, player attitudes and the coaching issue. Through all that imo he should have been put into a game to see if they really had anything with Webb which they chose not to do. That made no sense to me and the based on his attitude with him remaining positive and professional I hope the did makes it. He played well in college with not a very good OL.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 9, 2019 13:20:50 GMT -5
What crappy situation was he handed exactly? His rookie season he comes to the Giants which had some serious issues losing games, Eli getting benched, player attitudes and the coaching issue. Through all that imo he should have been put into a game to see if they really had anything with Webb which they chose not to do. That made no sense to me and the based on his attitude with him remaining positive and professional I hope the did makes it. He played well in college with not a very good OL. Yeah, he didn't play because he wasn't ready (based upon last night, it appears that he is still not ready). This is the NFL dude.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 13:30:30 GMT -5
His rookie season he comes to the Giants which had some serious issues losing games, Eli getting benched, player attitudes and the coaching issue. Through all that imo he should have been put into a game to see if they really had anything with Webb which they chose not to do. That made no sense to me and the based on his attitude with him remaining positive and professional I hope the did makes it. He played well in college with not a very good OL. Yeah, he didn't play because he wasn't ready (based upon last night, it appears that he is still not ready). This is the NFL dude. it seems mcadoo has been vindicated yet agian. Not HC material but certainly right about the QB position.
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Post by soflo on Aug 9, 2019 14:05:36 GMT -5
Webb was with the Giants and handled a crappy situation as well as could be expected and never complained about it as far as I recall So I am rooting for the guy I hope he gets a chance to at least prove whether he is capable or not Eh, Webb had a seize the moment opportunity in preseason last year. He didn't seize it. That to me trumps all arguments about whatever "situation" there may have been. Our number 6 pick DID seize the moment, though...against way better competition and far greater media pressure. Jones is prologue and Webb is past.
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Post by soflo on Aug 9, 2019 14:07:44 GMT -5
Yeah, he didn't play because he wasn't ready (based upon last night, it appears that he is still not ready). This is the NFL dude. it seems mcadoo has been vindicated yet agian. Not HC material but certainly right about the QB position. Quick somebody go to the post office where Macadoo is working and tell him he's vindicated...yet again. He started Gino Smith. How right could he have been?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 14:09:28 GMT -5
it seems mcadoo has been vindicated yet agian. Not HC material but certainly right about the QB position. Quick somebody go to the post office where Macadoo is working and tell him he's vindicated...yet again. He started Gino Smith. How right could he have been? What was his alternative? Check down charlie or Webb
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Post by soflo on Aug 9, 2019 15:02:08 GMT -5
Quick somebody go to the post office where Macadoo is working and tell him he's vindicated...yet again. He started Gino Smith. How right could he have been? What was his alternative? Check down charlie or Webb Webb, obviously was the guy you start if you're going to bench Manning. Macadoo was more concerned with saving his job and proving the validity of his offense by using what he thought was the guy who fit it better when he should have been looking at the guy Reece drafted for the future after 2017 became a lost season. It was a decision that involved the welfare of Macadoo, not the welfare of the Giants.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 15:07:03 GMT -5
What was his alternative? Check down charlie or Webb Webb, obviously was the guy you start if you're going to bench Manning. Macadoo was more concerned with saving his job and proving the validity of his offense by using what he thought was the guy who fit it better when he should have been looking at the guy Reece drafted for the future after 2017 became a lost season. It was a decision that involved the welfare of Macadoo, not the welfare of the Giants. From what you saw last night , what gives you the idea that webb was ready to start a game back in 17 no less? geno had more experience and eli refused the start. .
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Post by soflo on Aug 9, 2019 15:10:45 GMT -5
Webb, obviously was the guy you start if you're going to bench Manning. Macadoo was more concerned with saving his job and proving the validity of his offense by using what he thought was the guy who fit it better when he should have been looking at the guy Reece drafted for the future after 2017 became a lost season. It was a decision that involved the welfare of Macadoo, not the welfare of the Giants. From what you saw last night , what gives you the idea that webb was ready to start a game back in 17 no less? geno had more experience and eli refused the start. . Because the Giants had no film on him to start a serious evaluation of his future with the team, and they needed that to make a determination of Webb in 2017. It's not really logical to use what we already know in 2019 to say Webb shouldn't have started over Gino in 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 15:14:14 GMT -5
From what you saw last night , what gives you the idea that webb was ready to start a game back in 17 no less? geno had more experience and eli refused the start. . Because the Giants had no film on him to start a serious evaluation of his future with the team, and they needed that to make a determination of Webb in 2017. It's not really logical to use what we already know in 2019 to say Webb shouldn't have started over Gino in 2017. And how do we know what mcadoo saw was a kid not ready? Knowing what we know now isnt it logical to assume that the coaching staff evaluated Webb and realized he wasnt quite up to speed and could not start a game?
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Post by PennState1 on Aug 9, 2019 19:53:35 GMT -5
Good for him. Hopefully he doesn’t get arrested again
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