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Post by ocgiant on Aug 9, 2019 19:54:28 GMT -5
His rookie season he comes to the Giants which had some serious issues losing games, Eli getting benched, player attitudes and the coaching issue. Through all that imo he should have been put into a game to see if they really had anything with Webb which they chose not to do. That made no sense to me and the based on his attitude with him remaining positive and professional I hope the did makes it. He played well in college with not a very good OL. Yeah, he didn't play because he wasn't ready (based upon last night, it appears that he is still not ready). This is the NFL dude. I hear ya, still think they could have put him a series or two but the team was a mess then. He is not the worst QB I have seen. I hope he can make it as a back-up. If not he'll be coaching next year.
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 9, 2019 20:10:57 GMT -5
Yeah, he didn't play because he wasn't ready (based upon last night, it appears that he is still not ready). This is the NFL dude. it seems mcadoo has been vindicated yet agian. Not HC material but certainly right about the QB position. Okay, the Giants waste a 3rd round draft pick and never let the kid play a snap in a game? More or less to just to verify what they think they know (back then). It's not like they had anything to lose at that point.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 9, 2019 21:16:10 GMT -5
Yeah, he didn't play because he wasn't ready (based upon last night, it appears that he is still not ready). This is the NFL dude. I hear ya, still think they could have put him a series or two but the team was a mess then. He is not the worst QB I have seen. I hope he can make it as a back-up. If not he'll be coaching next year. What makes you think he will be a good coach?
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 9, 2019 21:36:35 GMT -5
I hear ya, still think they could have put him a series or two but the team was a mess then. He is not the worst QB I have seen. I hope he can make it as a back-up. If not he'll be coaching next year. What makes you think he will be a good coach? I dunno know... played football his whole life, transferred to Cal threw 38 touchdowns with a weak OL, 3rd round pick in the NFL by the Giants, smart football player, too many intangibles to mention... BTW, I am not related... so just a hunch TCHOF just rooting for the dude...
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 9, 2019 22:11:19 GMT -5
Yeah, he didn't play because he wasn't ready (based upon last night, it appears that he is still not ready). This is the NFL dude. it seems mcadoo has been vindicated yet agian. Not HC material but certainly right about the QB position. Then why did he want Webb?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 22:16:31 GMT -5
it seems mcadoo has been vindicated yet agian. Not HC material but certainly right about the QB position. Then why did he want Webb? idk did he? Maybe he saw something in him but then in practices saw he wasnt advancing enough or gettingbit quick enough. I can only speculate. There will always be a bit of a gamble picking someone. I heard he wanted mahomes.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 9, 2019 22:49:04 GMT -5
Then why did he want Webb? idk did he? Maybe he saw something in him but then in practices saw he wasnt advancing enough or gettingbit quick enough. I can only speculate. There will always be a bit of a gamble picking someone. I heard he wanted mahomes. I'm sure he wanted Mahomes as well but that's a totally different class of player.
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Post by giantfromtheoz on Aug 10, 2019 3:50:11 GMT -5
idk did he? Maybe he saw something in him but then in practices saw he wasnt advancing enough or gettingbit quick enough. I can only speculate. There will always be a bit of a gamble picking someone. I heard he wanted mahomes. I'm sure he wanted Mahomes as well but that's a totally different class of player. Jeez what a turn of events, imagine it happened with Mahomes. Is he the same player he is now under Mcadoo? Definetly won’t call him a system player but working under Andy Reid would help you develop as a quarterback for sure.
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Post by soflo on Aug 10, 2019 9:18:50 GMT -5
Because the Giants had no film on him to start a serious evaluation of his future with the team, and they needed that to make a determination of Webb in 2017. It's not really logical to use what we already know in 2019 to say Webb shouldn't have started over Gino in 2017. And how do we know what mcadoo saw was a kid not ready? Knowing what we know now isnt it logical to assume that the coaching staff evaluated Webb and realized he wasnt quite up to speed and could not start a game? You're saying Macadoo's main concern was thinking Webb might not have been ready? First of all this is purely speculative, and second they were something like 2-10 at that point, so scoobie doo quarterbacking would have been perfectly fine in the grand scheme of things. When asked why he started Gino, MacAdoo said he believed Gino gave them the best chance to win, i.e. Gino fit his scheme better than Eli. Really, Ben? At 2-10, your main focus is giving the team the best chance to win? Eli had a 0.0 rating in 2004 against the Ravens, so MacAdoo was an idiot to start Gino, as it accomplished nothing for the future, in a time when the Giants had to be making moves for the future, otherwise they were playing out the string and kicking the can down the road. And that's pretty much how it played out.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 10, 2019 9:27:45 GMT -5
Webb played like a number two.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 10, 2019 11:05:16 GMT -5
I'm sure he wanted Mahomes as well but that's a totally different class of player. Jeez what a turn of events, imagine it happened with Mahomes. Is he the same player he is now under Mcadoo? Definetly won’t call him a system player but working under Andy Reid would help you develop as a quarterback for sure. Very likely not, as we’ve been forced to witness for the past 7 years it’s not fantasy football - just adding a couple of weapons doesn’t guarantee any wins - teams actually require good coaching to succeed. Certainly Mcadoo wasn’t that guy but we can’t know for sure.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 16, 2019 21:27:58 GMT -5
Man, Webb is in deep trouble. Might not even get a PS spot
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 16, 2019 22:10:13 GMT -5
Jeez what a turn of events, imagine it happened with Mahomes. Is he the same player he is now under Mcadoo? Definetly won’t call him a system player but working under Andy Reid would help you develop as a quarterback for sure. Very likely not, as we’ve been forced to witness for the past 7 years it’s not fantasy football - just adding a couple of weapons doesn’t guarantee any wins - teams actually require good coaching to succeed. Certainly Mcadoo wasn’t that guy but we can’t know for sure. Well If we drafted Mahomes and 2017 happened we would probably not have played enough to get ruined and he probably starts 2018 with Barkley and Shurmer....
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Post by TEM on Aug 17, 2019 7:18:58 GMT -5
Very likely not, as we’ve been forced to witness for the past 7 years it’s not fantasy football - just adding a couple of weapons doesn’t guarantee any wins - teams actually require good coaching to succeed. Certainly Mcadoo wasn’t that guy but we can’t know for sure. Well If we drafted Mahomes and 2017 happened we would probably not have played enough to get ruined and he probably starts 2018 with Barkley and Shurmer.... We would have had to give up the #2 pick in the 2018 draft to get the Qb in 17. Barkley would not have been a Giant.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 7:51:47 GMT -5
Well If we drafted Mahomes and 2017 happened we would probably not have played enough to get ruined and he probably starts 2018 with Barkley and Shurmer.... We would have had to give up the #2 pick in the 2018 draft to get the Qb in 17. Barkley would not have been a Giant. Yeah I remembered that after hitting the post button....oops Maybe the sequence of events that happened from that day till now under "things happen for a reason "(which unfortunately had a side effect of torturing the fan base these past 2 years)to where we have a unicorn type playmaker like Barkley and what seems at this time to have a franchise qb that could have very special skill sets (it's still early)than not many thought he had.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 17, 2019 9:55:39 GMT -5
We would have had to give up the #2 pick in the 2018 draft to get the Qb in 17. Barkley would not have been a Giant. Yeah I remembered that after hitting the post button....oops Maybe the sequence of events that happened from that day till now under "things happen for a reason "(which unfortunately had a side effect of torturing the fan base these past 2 years)to where we have a unicorn type playmaker like Barkley and what seems at this time to have a franchise qb that could have very special skill sets (it's still early)than not many thought he had. You’re also forgetting the obligatory inanity that has the Mcadoo/Mahomes led Giants immediately vaulting into the payoffs forever and ever and ever plus all those championships! Because that’s exactly how things work in fantasyball, I mean real life.
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Post by redeyejedi on Aug 17, 2019 11:14:18 GMT -5
Ah...but performances based can mean soooo much. Suppose Siemian was late to meetings, horrible in practice...maybe he got moved to #3 without Webb ever throwing a pass. We all want it to be about Webb excelling, but that may not be so. Could be. who knows?
Just interesting to contemplate since he was with us at one time. We could of course ask for indisputable proof that he was moved to #2 as a product of his great play in practice.
But...Is it really that important?
For some reason people want him to fail. Kid got a raw deal here hope he succeeds
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 30, 2019 8:20:34 GMT -5
Looks like Webbb is probably not going to retain his PS spot with the Jets. He's certainly not making the 53.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 30, 2019 9:01:15 GMT -5
Looks like Webbb is probably not going to retain his PS spot with the Jets. He's certainly not making the 53. too bad...I thought the kid had some promise. wonder if its talent or desire? Or maybe a bit f both
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 30, 2019 9:14:39 GMT -5
Looks like Webbb is probably not going to retain his PS spot with the Jets. He's certainly not making the 53. Is that your opinion or are you basing it on anything else?
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 30, 2019 9:54:02 GMT -5
Looks like Webbb is probably not going to retain his PS spot with the Jets. He's certainly not making the 53. Is that your opinion or are you basing it on anything else? My opinion based upon his play this preseason and the media projections of the Jets 53.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 30, 2019 10:06:16 GMT -5
Is that your opinion or are you basing it on anything else? My opinion based upon his play this preseason and the media projections of the Jets 53. Are you sure your rather unpleasant opinion of the kid might color your view?
Asking for a friend.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 30, 2019 10:41:58 GMT -5
My opinion based upon his play this preseason and the media projections of the Jets 53. Are you sure your rather unpleasant opinion of the kid might color your view?
Asking for a friend.
Nah, he was real bad this preseason.
I actually feel bad for him ... seems like a super hard worker. He's just not an NFL QB.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 31, 2019 14:16:45 GMT -5
Webb cut by Jets
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Post by GameTime on Aug 31, 2019 15:49:57 GMT -5
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Post by southerner on Sept 1, 2019 3:48:04 GMT -5
Davis Webb is a stiff. He is awful, and now has the dubious distinction of being cut by both New York teams.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Sept 1, 2019 14:15:44 GMT -5
If only McAdoo had started him instead of Geno, everything would have ended up exactly the same.
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Post by balloonknot on Sept 1, 2019 16:13:05 GMT -5
love this thread. Considering I was given a lot of shit insinuating that his elevation to #2 prior to training camp was based on tenur on the roster and not talent.
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