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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 8:21:02 GMT -5
Not sure what that means...he could have just left, right? yes after she punched his car , assaulted him (that part was not visible) took his glasses and emasculated him . he probably did just leave , but im pointing out that if a man did those things to a woman he would be charged and many of you would say he should be fired. As well he should be and so should she have been charged. Drive away, call the police and show them the video. Really not that hard, this was not a situation that required any type of physical defense regardless of the gender of either party involved.
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Post by Nite on Jul 16, 2019 8:24:20 GMT -5
There seem to be a lot of videos out now of people being complete assholes, then taping other people's disproportionate reactions and claiming moral high ground. That's weak. I didn't see enough to know the whole story but if he was done with it, why didn't he just drive away? I always enjoy that. "I was minding my own business, poking this bear with a sharp stick, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I was attacked. I'm the real victim here".When in doubt always place the blame on the bear....
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 8:26:50 GMT -5
Explain . If you think being in a toxic environment that may lead to an altercation is intelligent. Good luck with that. Your comments equate women with children and not responsible for their actions and requires the man to be in control of the situation absolving her of any responsibility of her actions. I find that exceedingly insulting. It was such a horrible and shocking insult that "wow" was the best I could manage as a response yesterday. I'm still quite flabbergasted by it.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 16, 2019 8:45:28 GMT -5
Explain . If you think being in a toxic environment that may lead to an altercation is intelligent. Good luck with that. Your comments equate women with children and not responsible for their actions and requires the man to be in control of the situation absolving her of any responsibility of her actions. I find that exceedingly insulting. It was such a horrible and shocking insult that "wow" was the best I could manage as a response yesterday. I'm still quite flabbergasted by it. “Flabbergasted” Haven’t heard that word in a long time. If I didn’t know better I would have mistaken you for an 87 year old woman who’s best friend is a cat named whiskers.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 16, 2019 8:49:24 GMT -5
yes after she punched his car , assaulted him (that part was not visible) took his glasses and emasculated him . he probably did just leave , but im pointing out that if a man did those things to a woman he would be charged and many of you would say he should be fired. As well he should be and so should she have been charged. Drive away, call the police and show them the video. Really not that hard, this was not a situation that required any type of physical defense regardless of the gender of either party involved. Agreed
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 8:53:03 GMT -5
Your comments equate women with children and not responsible for their actions and requires the man to be in control of the situation absolving her of any responsibility of her actions. I find that exceedingly insulting. It was such a horrible and shocking insult that "wow" was the best I could manage as a response yesterday. I'm still quite flabbergasted by it. “Flabbergasted” Haven’t heard that word in a long time. If I didn’t know better I would have mistaken you for an 87 year old woman who’s best friend is a cat named whiskers. Flabbergasted is a good word, surprised you don't hear it. I have 3 cats, not quite 87 yet, and none of them are named Whiskers. They are Duck, General Tso and Ubitch.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 16, 2019 8:57:22 GMT -5
“Flabbergasted” Haven’t heard that word in a long time. If I didn’t know better I would have mistaken you for an 87 year old woman who’s best friend is a cat named whiskers. Flabbergasted is a good word, surprised you don't hear it. I have 3 cats, not quite 87 yet, and none of them are named Whiskers. They are Duck, General Tso and Ubitch. Yeah I don’t hear it at all. And you’re right it is a good word. I’m flabbergasted that you’re flabbergasted, I think I met my quota for that word for the day. General Tso as in General Tso chicken?
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 9:00:48 GMT -5
Flabbergasted is a good word, surprised you don't hear it. I have 3 cats, not quite 87 yet, and none of them are named Whiskers. They are Duck, General Tso and Ubitch. General Tso as in General Tso chicken? yup
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jul 16, 2019 9:03:35 GMT -5
General Tso as in General Tso chicken? yup Are you somehow implying that Chinese food places use cats for meat?
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 9:06:49 GMT -5
Are you somehow implying that Chinese food places use cats for meat? yup
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 11:05:04 GMT -5
Explain . If you think being in a toxic environment that may lead to an altercation is intelligent. Good luck with that. Your comments equate women with children and not responsible for their actions and requires the man to be in control of the situation absolving her of any responsibility of her actions. I find that exceedingly insulting. It was such a horrible and shocking insult that "wow" was the best I could manage as a response yesterday. I'm still quite flabbergasted by it. Furthermore, this mindset perpetuates the problem with some of these people. Often these girls grow up without consequences to their violent outbursts and are viewed as the victim in any violent altercation regardless of their actions. This lack of accountability does nothing to improve their behavior and will most often lead to worse and more violent actions. This is of course perpetuated by the current social climate of teaching young girls not that they are equal to men but the same as men. Which is absurd obviously, but is the current prevailing narrative. There is not the social pressure anymore to teach girls to act like ladies. More so there is encouragement to play the victim for advancement in the pantheon of social media influence. This causes many to seek out situations where they can be perceived as the victim by being the aggressor. No consequences, no accountability and no responsibility for one half of the population does not seem to me to be a recipe for equality or an environment for reasonable and balanced personal interactions.
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 16, 2019 11:24:19 GMT -5
Because punches by women or little children don't hurt. Do you hit children back too? When you are thinking, "I'll just stand on her neck for a bit" you probably made several wrong turns. It never ceases to amaze how a professional athlete gets into a situation like this in the first place? Common sense and Maturity come to mind Not to mention he most likely loses whatever chance he has of playing in the NFL.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 16, 2019 11:30:42 GMT -5
When you are thinking, "I'll just stand on her neck for a bit" you probably made several wrong turns. It never ceases to amaze how a professional athlete gets into a situation like this in the first place? Common sense and Maturity come to mind Not to mention he most likely loses whatever chance he has of playing in the NFL. Playing in the NFL is like having a winning lottery ticket in your pocket. And yet they find ways to mess it up.
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 16, 2019 11:45:43 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze how a professional athlete gets into a situation like this in the first place? Common sense and Maturity come to mind Not to mention he most likely loses whatever chance he has of playing in the NFL. Playing in the NFL is like having a winning lottery ticket in your pocket. And yet they find ways to mess it up. I always wondered what an agent tells the players they represent? If you are thinking of doing something really stupid "call me first"? Maybe a handbook on how not to screw up an NFL career.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Jul 16, 2019 11:47:52 GMT -5
I know people want to wait and see the whole story, but I've NEVER been in a situation where the right outcome would have been to step on a woman's neck and then knock her out. If she's out of control or violent, you remove yourself (and any children or other innocents) from the situation and call the police. Cut him now. iv been in a few weird situations. I guess trouble finds me. 1 in hs, i broke up a fight ,dude hitting his woman. I start beating him then the girlfriend attacks me. (Lesson learned) 2. In a night club , this drunk girl starts kicking me (expects a man not to hit her back i guess ) 3. An ex gf slapped me hard across my face (thought i was cheating) My issue is why is it ok for a woman to put her hands on a man? And not expect the sane in return? If you act like a guy , u may be treated like one. ( not saying this case was justified or not,) Sure i even had a huge female bully me on the elementary school bus and me not fighting back because she was a girl. I just sometimes think some women use this to their advantage. It sounds like you've seen the "Cleveland Bus Driver Uppercut" video If not, check it out.
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 11:57:50 GMT -5
When you are thinking, "I'll just stand on her neck for a bit" you probably made several wrong turns. It never ceases to amaze how a professional athlete gets into a situation like this in the first place? Common sense and Maturity come to mind Not to mention he most likely loses whatever chance he has of playing in the NFL. 1-Common sense does not exist. 2-In your experience being a sports fan, how abundant have you found maturity in the athletes involved? Particularly those early in their careers.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Jul 16, 2019 11:58:26 GMT -5
I think that the laws and rules concerning the striking of one person by another should be consistent across the board regardless of gender.
Small or weak men know that if they cross a big tough dude they're putting themselves at risk. Women who are small or weak should have the same understanding.
In any confrontation, the person who strikes first is guilty under the law.
Gender should play no part in the assignment of guilt.
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 11:59:43 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze how a professional athlete gets into a situation like this in the first place? Common sense and Maturity come to mind Not to mention he most likely loses whatever chance he has of playing in the NFL. Playing in the NFL is like having a winning lottery ticket in your pocket. And yet they find ways to mess it up. because often these players grew up without consequences to poor behavior because of their athletic abilities. Not all of them, but enough to see the end result of going older without ever learning to be an adult.
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 12:01:41 GMT -5
I think that the laws and rules concerning the striking of one person by another should be consistent across the board regardless of gender. Small or weak men know that if they cross a big tough dude they're putting themselves at risk. Women who are small or weak should have the same understanding. In any confrontation, the person who strikes first is guilty under the law. Gender should play no part in the assignment of guilt. This seems reasonable. Unfortunately we do not find ourselves in a reasonable world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 12:08:00 GMT -5
In any life situation, just ask yourself - what would Eli Manning do? Im kidding and sorta not kidding lol
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 12:15:40 GMT -5
In any life situation, just ask yourself - what would Eli Manning do? Im kidding and sorta not kidding lol so we should just sign anything skiba hands us without asking questions?
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Post by boxcarwillie on Jul 16, 2019 12:16:14 GMT -5
I think that the laws and rules concerning the striking of one person by another should be consistent across the board regardless of gender. Small or weak men know that if they cross a big tough dude they're putting themselves at risk. Women who are small or weak should have the same understanding. In any confrontation, the person who strikes first is guilty under the law. Gender should play no part in the assignment of guilt. This seems reasonable. Unfortunately we do not find ourselves in a reasonable world. It took some courage for me to post something that stands plainly against an idea that is universally and vehemently supported everywhere, (except maybe in the stand up comedy of one Mr. Bill Burr.)
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 12:24:50 GMT -5
This seems reasonable. Unfortunately we do not find ourselves in a reasonable world. It took some courage for me to post something that stands plainly against an idea that is universally and vehemently supported everywhere, (except maybe in the stand up comedy of one Mr. Bill Burr.) Sometimes just because somebody is being physically aggressive, does not mean that becoming physically aggressive yourself is the best answer. Often, as pointed out, the best alternative is to walk away from the situation. Regardless of "who started it" or "who deserved to be punched". Sometimes, walking away, or leaving the situation is not possible. More often than not though, it is and should be the action taken. When making a poor decision to become violent when violence is not necessary, you become the aggressor as much as the person who began the altercation in the first place. As much as I am arguing with Fbomb, his point is mostly valid, the situations that would require one to become physically violent with a person who is clearly weaker and smaller than yourself are very few and very rare. Whenever possible, violence should be avoided even in self defense when it is not required to defend oneself.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 16, 2019 12:25:32 GMT -5
This seems reasonable. Unfortunately we do not find ourselves in a reasonable world. It took some courage for me to post something that stands plainly against an idea that is universally and vehemently supported everywhere, (except maybe in the stand up comedy of one Mr. Bill Burr.) It takes courage to post anonymously on the internet? Hmmm
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Post by boxcarwillie on Jul 16, 2019 12:27:02 GMT -5
It took some courage for me to post something that stands plainly against an idea that is universally and vehemently supported everywhere, (except maybe in the stand up comedy of one Mr. Bill Burr.) Sometimes just because somebody is being physically aggressive, does not mean that becoming physically aggressive yourself is the best answer. Often, as pointed out, the best alternative is to walk away from the situation. Regardless of "who started it" or "who deserved to be punched". Sometimes, walking away, or leaving the situation is not possible. More often than not though, it is and should be the action taken. When making a poor decision to become violent when violence is not necessary, you become the aggressor as much as the person who began the altercation in the first place. As much as I am arguing with Fbomb, his point is mostly valid, the situations that would require one to become physically violent with a person who is clearly weaker and smaller than yourself are very few and very rare. Whenever possible, violence should be avoided even in self defense when it is not required to defend oneself. I completely agree with you.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Jul 16, 2019 12:29:47 GMT -5
It took some courage for me to post something that stands plainly against an idea that is universally and vehemently supported everywhere, (except maybe in the stand up comedy of one Mr. Bill Burr.) It takes courage to post anonymously on the internet? Hmmm Not a lot of courage I guess. But I do have some emotional concern over how what I post is responded to.
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Post by solomonphoenix on Jul 16, 2019 13:03:48 GMT -5
iv been in a few weird situations. I guess trouble finds me. 1 in hs, i broke up a fight ,dude hitting his woman. I start beating him then the girlfriend attacks me. (Lesson learned) 2. In a night club , this drunk girl starts kicking me (expects a man not to hit her back i guess ) 3. An ex gf slapped me hard across my face (thought i was cheating) My issue is why is it ok for a woman to put her hands on a man? And not expect the sane in return? If you act like a guy , u may be treated like one. ( not saying this case was justified or not,) Sure i even had a huge female bully me on the elementary school bus and me not fighting back because she was a girl. I just sometimes think some women use this to their advantage. It sounds like you've seen the "Cleveland Bus Driver Uppercut" video If not, check it out. I saw that video. Vicious.
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 16, 2019 13:41:49 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze how a professional athlete gets into a situation like this in the first place? Common sense and Maturity come to mind Not to mention he most likely loses whatever chance he has of playing in the NFL. 1-Common sense does not exist. 2-In your experience being a sports fan, how abundant have you found maturity in the athletes involved? Particularly those early in their careers. I think that is where family, a good agent and friends can make a difference for most of the players. SB certainly is exceptional example.
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 14:02:10 GMT -5
1-Common sense does not exist. 2-In your experience being a sports fan, how abundant have you found maturity in the athletes involved? Particularly those early in their careers. I think that is where family, a good agent and friends can make a difference for most of the players. SB certainly is exceptional example. Absolutely. Though, as we have all clearly seen; young players like SB are less common than those that are not. Some of them eventually grow up, some do not. Even a player like OBJ, who isn't really a bad person who has done bad things, has behaved in a very immature manner since joining the league. I am sure that many around him have attempted to make a difference and for one reason or another he won't or can't make those changes up to this point. I hope for his own sake he grows up soon, before it is too late. While immature, he does not seem like a bad kid to me. A player like this Moore kid seems like a bad kid if these allegations are true. I hope he faces the full legal ramifications of his actions if it is found these allegations are true. I also hope that whatever the consequences are, he becomes a better person at the end of it. That seems unlikely, but would be the best result for everybody.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 16, 2019 14:37:30 GMT -5
Working for me is not a right guaranteed by the constitution. I have a standard for behavior both at work and while away, and if your actions away from work are such that it would reflect negatively on me, then you have a problem. By the way, 50% of my renters are young women under 25...seems like having an employee accused of assaulting woman would be bad for business, wouldn't it? And you can argue how it shouldn't or it's not fair, or whatever...but the market has a funny way of not caring about those things. No, there is no guarantee of employment and there is nothing wrong with the Giants cutting him based on the accusation. But would be kind of a crappy thing to do without at least looking into it. Let's say I was a renter of yours and one of your employees did work in my apartment and left. Nothing happened. But I decide I don't like him, and accuse him of assaulting me. Call the police. You'll fire him? Well within your rights to do so, and life isn't fair, but did you do the right thing by that employee who did nothing wrong? Should one half of our society have that much power to wield? Would you fire him if a male renter accused him of assault without any evidence as well, before any investigation? Or do you think it would be best to ask him to stay home from work for a few days while you look into it and determine what happened to the best of your abilities? Well...I actually didn't say fired, but if you are asking if I would fire him based on that police report? Absolutely. And it may be wrong, but it is in the best interest of all my other employees to do so.
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