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Post by soflo on Jul 27, 2019 10:44:01 GMT -5
I hate to the bearer of non news but this team wasn’t going anywhere anyway. If Golden Tate and Corey Coleman are the difference makers in your roster, you still have work to do. This was never gonna be a championship season so if this simply reiterates that for most of us, that’s not the worst thing ever. I don't think anyone thought that, but I for one am tired of listening to people like Max Kellerman talking about how they're a laughingstock and how Gettleman is clueless, so this is taking a big step toward assuring that they'll be off to a horrid start, which is only going to further embolden these mouthpieces on TV and it's going to be another year of having to listen to it. 8 wins I think was possible and this all but assures them getting off to a horrid start. Beyond staying in the race for the first quarter of the season, they needed, if anything, to show improvement on the offense, so with the wide receivers core looking like it does, their now-anticipated lack of success is going to look like a false litmus because it simply isn't fair to judge anything by an offense that has literally nobody that was supposed to be in there. It also puts a heavier workload on Saquon and more pressure on Eli, and it would have been nice to see Eli have a real nice year in what's probably his last year with this team. On the bright side, we're probably out of the race quicker this way, which means Daniel Jones is going to get time sooner than expected.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 27, 2019 10:44:28 GMT -5
That’s what he says ... they all have some story There has to be a paper trail to a dr if this is indeed true. Unfortunately for him, even if there is, if it's a banned substance he'll get the suspension, just makes it look a lot less wrong, just stupid, these guys should know better.
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Post by lasion2 on Jul 27, 2019 10:51:27 GMT -5
I hate to the bearer of non news but this team wasn’t going anywhere anyway. If Golden Tate and Corey Coleman are the difference makers in your roster, you still have work to do. This was never gonna be a championship season so if this simply reiterates that for most of us, that’s not the worst thing ever. Yeah man, I’m not terribly broken up by this. Play the kids, see what they got. Limit Barkley’s touches and get ready for 2020.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 27, 2019 10:53:26 GMT -5
I hate to the bearer of non news but this team wasn’t going anywhere anyway. If Golden Tate and Corey Coleman are the difference makers in your roster, you still have work to do. This was never gonna be a championship season so if this simply reiterates that for most of us, that’s not the worst thing ever. I don't think anyone thought that, but I for one am tired of listening to people like Max Kellerman talking about how they're a laughingstock and how Gettleman is clueless, so this is taking a big step toward assuring that they'll be off to a horrid start, which is only going to further embolden these mouthpieces on TV and it's going to be another year of having to listen to it. 8 wins I think was possible and this all but assures them getting off to a horrid start. Beyond staying in the race for the first quarter of the season, they needed, if anything, to show improvement on the offense, so with the wide receivers core looking like it does, their now-anticipated lack of success is going to look like a false litmus because it simply isn't fair to judge anything by an offense that has literally nobody that was supposed to be in there. It also puts a heavier workload on Saquon and more pressure on Eli, and it would have been nice to see Eli have a real nice year in what's probably his last year with this team. On the bright side, we're probably out of the race quicker this way, which means Daniel Jones is going to get time sooner than expected. Yep Im actually hoping someone like Conner emerges Who says we need a Cruz 2.0? Conner being that under the radar breakout rookie gives this team something that would be very hard to defend even with middling recievers (which is how New England and Philly did it),2 stud TEs that put defenses into cognitive dissonance on how to defend us. Then in 2020 put the Cherry on top with one of the playmakers coming out in the draft. In the meantime I still say I'd rather just go with what we have on the roster, Signing one of these vets would basicly be putting a band aid on a lepper at this point
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 27, 2019 10:57:47 GMT -5
I hate to the bearer of non news but this team wasn’t going anywhere anyway. If Golden Tate and Corey Coleman are the difference makers in your roster, you still have work to do. This was never gonna be a championship season so if this simply reiterates that for most of us, that’s not the worst thing ever. Yeah man, I’m not terribly broken up by this. Play the kids, see what they got. Limit Barkley’s touches and get ready for 2020. I'm never a tanker But realistically we.could end up 4-12..especially now that we are castrated by no recievers early. That could put us in range where one of the QB prospects fall into our laps. Nothing like having a young franchise qb,ton of cap space and qb.needy teams wanting to trade up for Herbert/Erlinger... Trade back (I'd take anything remotely close to value )and stock up with a bunch of picks for 2020/2021,right when we would hypothetically be in our window..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 10:59:44 GMT -5
I don't think anyone thought that, but I for one am tired of listening to people like Max Kellerman talking about how they're a laughingstock and how Gettleman is clueless, so this is taking a big step toward assuring that they'll be off to a horrid start, which is only going to further embolden these mouthpieces on TV and it's going to be another year of having to listen to it. 8 wins I think was possible and this all but assures them getting off to a horrid start. Beyond staying in the race for the first quarter of the season, they needed, if anything, to show improvement on the offense, so with the wide receivers core looking like it does, their now-anticipated lack of success is going to look like a false litmus because it simply isn't fair to judge anything by an offense that has literally nobody that was supposed to be in there. It also puts a heavier workload on Saquon and more pressure on Eli, and it would have been nice to see Eli have a real nice year in what's probably his last year with this team. On the bright side, we're probably out of the race quicker this way, which means Daniel Jones is going to get time sooner than expected. Yep Im actually hoping someone like Conner emerges Who says we need a Cruz 2.0? Conner being that under the radar breakout rookie gives this team something that would be very hard to defend even with middling recievers (which is how New England and Philly did it),2 stud TEs that put defenses into cognitive dissonance on how to defend us. Then in 2020 put the Cherry on top with one of the playmakers coming out in the draft. In the meantime I still say I'd rather just go with what we have on the roster, Signing one of these vets would basicly be putting a band aid on a lepper at this point Who is Conner? Hahah
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 11:00:51 GMT -5
Yeah man, I’m not terribly broken up by this. Play the kids, see what they got. Limit Barkley’s touches and get ready for 2020. I'm never a tanker But realistically we.could end up 4-12..especially now that we are castrated by no recievers early. That could put us in range where one of the QB prospects fall into our laps. Nothing like having a young franchise qb,ton of cap space and qb.needy teams wanting to trade up for Herbert/Erlinger... Trade back (I'd take anything remotely close to value )and stock up with a bunch of picks for 2020/2021,right when we would hypothetically be in our window.. Why wouldn’t you take one of those top Tier Quarterbacks????
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 27, 2019 11:01:35 GMT -5
Yeah man, I’m not terribly broken up by this. Play the kids, see what they got. Limit Barkley’s touches and get ready for 2020. I'm never a tanker But realistically we.could end up 4-12..especially now that we are castrated by no recievers early. That could put us in range where one of the QB prospects fall into our laps. Nothing like having a young franchise qb,ton of cap space and qb.needy teams wanting to trade up for Herbert/Erlinger... Trade back (I'd take anything remotely close to value )and stock up with a bunch of picks for 2020/2021,right when we would hypothetically be in our window.. Nah I would make them pay a fortune in picks and possibly players
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Post by lasion2 on Jul 27, 2019 11:02:48 GMT -5
Yeah I’m a firm believer that players and coaches don’t tank. But am in agreement with your earlier post. No need for a cast off vet. Kids go in the deep end at secondary and wr now.
Play hard, play disciplined and I’ll be entertained. And, the team will be better off in the long run.
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 27, 2019 11:03:03 GMT -5
I'm never a tanker But realistically we.could end up 4-12..especially now that we are castrated by no recievers early. That could put us in range where one of the QB prospects fall into our laps. Nothing like having a young franchise qb,ton of cap space and qb.needy teams wanting to trade up for Herbert/Erlinger... Trade back (I'd take anything remotely close to value )and stock up with a bunch of picks for 2020/2021,right when we would hypothetically be in our window.. Why wouldn’t you take one of those top Tier Quarterbacks???? Because we just spent the sixth overall pick on the supposed franchise QB of the teams future
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Post by roundabout on Jul 27, 2019 11:13:14 GMT -5
Tate took something for fertility reasons and he reported it to the league prior to a failed test. That’s what he says ... they all have some story I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt ..He has been nothing but clean and a leader in his 10 year career.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 11:14:46 GMT -5
That’s what he says ... they all have some story I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt ..He has been nothing but clean and a leader in his 10 year career. Benefit of the doubt or not. Banned is Banned and I think the suspension with be upheld
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 27, 2019 11:18:55 GMT -5
That’s what he says ... they all have some story I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt ..He has been nothing but clean and a leader in his 10 year career. He’s been on this team for 3 minutes and is now suspended, so I will not be giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 27, 2019 11:20:15 GMT -5
Tate took something for fertility reasons and he reported it to the league prior to a failed test. We shall see the league is funny unless your name is Zeke Elloit, guess that needed to lay off him for a while.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 27, 2019 11:27:12 GMT -5
Meanwhile Tyreek Hill gets nothing...
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Post by SG88 on Jul 27, 2019 11:28:53 GMT -5
I think that Sterling will be good to go by then. I expect them to bring in another vet WR like the ones I mentioned on a one year deal. Mike Wallace is another name to think about as well, along with Martavis Bryant. The Giants kicked Beckham to the curb for his "behavior" issues. And he's a choir boy compared to those two you mentioned. That veteran wide receiver will be Benjamin. Gettleman drafted him and he has played in Mike Shula's system. I agree with you. I'm just saying that we may be reduced to scraping the bottom of the barrel for some WR help, which I hope is not the case. Anyways, I did read Tate's tweet about this suspension and actually believe what he said. He might actually win his appeal.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 27, 2019 11:29:09 GMT -5
Yeah I’m a firm believer that players and coaches don’t tank. But am in agreement with your earlier post. No need for a cast off vet. Kids go in the deep end at secondary and wr now. Play hard, play disciplined and I’ll be entertained. And, the team will be better off in the long run. Slayton and Shep should be ready to go soon get all these youngsters in there see if there is any keepers, and yes I wanna see Connor get a legit shot.
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Post by SG88 on Jul 27, 2019 11:30:33 GMT -5
Meanwhile Tyreek Hill gets nothing... And is still on the team. If he was not an elite talent, he would have been cut.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 27, 2019 11:32:54 GMT -5
Yeah I’m a firm believer that players and coaches don’t tank. But am in agreement with your earlier post. No need for a cast off vet. Kids go in the deep end at secondary and wr now. Play hard, play disciplined and I’ll be entertained. And, the team will be better off in the long run. Slayton and Shep should be ready to go soon get all these youngsters in there see if there is any keepers, and yes I wanna see Connor get a legit shot. Slayton is dealing with a hamstring injury, and you know those hamstring issues linger. Especially with a guy like Slayton who his legs are what got him drafted. As for Shep I'll believe it when I see him practicing with no issues. I've learned a long time ago what seems to be a no big deal injury turns into missing games.
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Post by Waybackfan on Jul 27, 2019 11:44:11 GMT -5
Sign some free agents ASAP.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 27, 2019 11:49:35 GMT -5
Slayton and Shep should be ready to go soon get all these youngsters in there see if there is any keepers, and yes I wanna see Connor get a legit shot. Slayton is dealing with a hamstring injury, and you know those hamstring issues linger. Especially with a guy like Slayton who his legs are what got him drafted. As for Shep I'll believe it when I see him practicing with no issues. I've learned a long time ago what seems to be a no big deal injury turns into missing games. for Shep I think he will be back in 4- maybe 5 weeks it's the tip of his thumb luckily it wasn't lower by the wrist, Slayton I here you Hamstrings are a Pain in the @, thats what kept OBJ out of the first 4 games his rookie year, I see that Benjamin was not one of the receivers to work out today wonder who they brought in, interesting Tate is the one who realized there was an illegal substance in his futility drugs and discontinued it and reported to the league asap, with guys like Hill and Elliot getting slaps on the wrist maybe they will have mercy on Tate he has been a stand up dude for the league for 10 years.
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Post by Helmet on Jul 27, 2019 11:55:12 GMT -5
Here’s a statement from Golden posted an hour ago on Twitter.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 27, 2019 12:04:32 GMT -5
The Giants kicked Beckham to the curb for his "behavior" issues. And he's a choir boy compared to those two you mentioned. That veteran wide receiver will be Benjamin. Gettleman drafted him and he has played in Mike Shula's system. I agree with you. I'm just saying that we may be reduced to scraping the bottom of the barrel for some WR help, which I hope is not the case. Anyways, I did read Tate's tweet about this suspension and actually believe what he said. He might actually win his appeal. If what he said is true, he obviously was not intending to gain an advantage. And in law, intent is a big thing. Plus the fact he came to the league with it instead of them catching it. However, this isnt law its the NFL, and I dont know that he will win on appeal. One question is how dumb do you have to be to not check what you are prescribed BEFORE taking it.
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Post by Miked1958 on Jul 27, 2019 12:16:39 GMT -5
Going from bad to worse every day with the WR unit. Wow just wow
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 27, 2019 12:19:21 GMT -5
I hate to the bearer of non news but this team wasn’t going anywhere anyway. If Golden Tate and Corey Coleman are the difference makers in your roster, you still have work to do. This was never gonna be a championship season so if this simply reiterates that for most of us, that’s not the worst thing ever. Exactly. This was going to another 3 or 4 win season anyway. We HAVE to pick a WR in round 1 next year and we’ll probably be picking in the top 5 so i hope there will be a good one available. OBJ must be laughing his A!@ off !!!
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Post by DJones19 on Jul 27, 2019 12:22:44 GMT -5
Not saying Tate is guilty but it seems like athletes always have an excuse after failing a PED test.
At least he didn't give the classic "my over the counter supplement was contaminated" excuse.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 27, 2019 12:26:02 GMT -5
Per @adamschefter Giants’ WR Golden Tate is appealing a four-game suspension for violating the NFL’s Performance Enhacing Substance policy and believes he has legitimate case, league sources tell ESPN. Some much for wait and see how the appeal process turns out,..........according to this board he is guilty and should be cut! It's Eli's fault ,Thanks alot ELI!!!What could possibly be the purpose for this post? It's stupid.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 27, 2019 12:27:25 GMT -5
Why wouldn’t you take one of those top Tier Quarterbacks???? Because we just spent the sixth overall pick on the supposed franchise QB of the teams future Didn’t Arizona do that very thing ? Took Murray and moved Rosen ? It more than likely will work out as a good move for them...
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Post by bringsimmsback on Jul 27, 2019 12:30:19 GMT -5
I hate to the bearer of non news but this team wasn’t going anywhere anyway. If Golden Tate and Corey Coleman are the difference makers in your roster, you still have work to do. This was never gonna be a championship season so if this simply reiterates that for most of us, that’s not the worst thing ever. The second we made the trade and then didn't replace talent with talent in the draft (not purposely as they shifted gears once they took Jones ) I knew this was a 6 and 10 team that was going into the season shorthanded with proper weapons on offense to run this offense at a high enough level to compensate for a very young inexperienced defense. Get the dynamic playmaker in 2020 But hey,the arrogant self proclaimed oldn school fans here will still bellow that recievers are a luxury and we can win with average middling recievers because New England does it and we did it in 1990 I don't know if I'm arrogant but I do prefer the game of the 80s and 90s to today, so I'm probably old-school That being said, while I recognize the game is very different, I just disagree (respectfully) with your assertions about the wide-receiver. In a reasonable speaking voice that doesn't come close to a bellow, I suggest that we may be able to make do with Latimer (someone I think will exceed expectations this year, btw), Engram and Barkley if we get hit with the worst-case scenario of not having both Tate and Sheppard for the first 4 weeks, especially if we go more 12 personnel as we did at the end of last year. There is also a good chance Shep makes it back for opening day. Also, aside from the Cowboys, our first 4 games look very winnable if our defense shows even a little improvement from last year. I'm remaining hopeful. Edit to add: I just read your later post talking about Conner and you have have written at length about 12 package in the past. I think we may be able to get a lot out of that package even without a surprise hit in Conner. Ellis and Engram (if he stays healthy) can get the job done, I believe. Would I prefer an upgrade over Ellis - yes. But he can get it done for 4 games, I believe.
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 27, 2019 12:35:18 GMT -5
Let's see if Tate is suspended for sure, most likely Shep will heal in time this is really key
Fortunately, (if there is such a thing) it is early in camp so I am sure the Giants will quickly get some bodies in camp and who knows maybe find an upgrade with veteran experience that hopefully has something left in the tank
Not ideal but best to hope for now
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