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Post by Jomo on Aug 10, 2019 9:39:45 GMT -5
..are looking like the best 2 drafts of the past decade.
It will take a year or two to be sure but things are looking brighter for us.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 10, 2019 9:41:03 GMT -5
yep....several of these guys have a legit shot at being good to very NFL players......exciting time to be a fan
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 10, 2019 9:44:48 GMT -5
it has been so nice not to have to scratch my head every time a selection is turned in
I think Sheppard, Dalvin Tomlinson and Engram is all that is left from Reese drafts.....oh and soon to be gone BJ Goodson
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2019 9:48:47 GMT -5
I think what makes them really good it is early. They seem to be solid top to bottom and when you factor in the undrafted free agents they look even better Tae Davis and Grant Haley last year CJ Conrad so far this year. That was one thing that kept them a float in George Youngs later drafts he would have some high round busts but guys like Jesse Armstead would emerge. Sometimes a late or mid round steel can save a draft.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2019 9:56:53 GMT -5
it has been so nice not to have to scratch my head every time a selection is turned in I think Sheppard, Dalvin Tomlinson and Engram is all that is left from Reese drafts.....oh and soon to be gone BJ Goodson I won't beat a dead horse but many here thought they were dumping JRs guys only because they were his guys. In the long run the guys they sent packing were either overpaid and under performing or just not that good period or had character issues that were detrimental to the team. Many here almost had a stroke when they cut Davis Webb for Louletta in the end Lauletta looks like he will be someones backup if not ours Webb looks like he will probably get into coaching as he said. Front office and coaching staff don't care who drafted them if they can help most likely they will stay unless there is a character issue or injury history.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 10, 2019 10:02:13 GMT -5
it has been so nice not to have to scratch my head every time a selection is turned in I think Sheppard, Dalvin Tomlinson and Engram is all that is left from Reese drafts.....oh and soon to be gone BJ Goodson ... and Perkins
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 10, 2019 10:03:17 GMT -5
also a goner
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Post by Roswell on Aug 10, 2019 10:13:57 GMT -5
If the draft is a crapshoot then Reese certainly rolled snakeyes his last bunch of drafts and even when he did pick a good player, those players were dealt.
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Post by scoostraw on Aug 10, 2019 10:24:42 GMT -5
If DJ turns out to be as good as I hope he is, DG will begin to be regarded as a draft genius.
I am pulling for him!
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Post by Merlin on Aug 10, 2019 10:33:52 GMT -5
..are looking like the best 2 drafts of the past decade. It will take a year or two to be sure but things are looking brighter for us. And the team will have something like $80mil in cap to play with next off season. Next years draft also appears to be loaded with WRs.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2019 11:14:59 GMT -5
yep....several of these guys have a legit shot at being good to very NFL players......exciting time to be a fan This is what I have been wanting the last 3-4 years youth movement where at least if they aren't winning your watching young talented ((hopefully)) kids grow into winners, this team to me looks pretty tight the way they get up for one another exciting for sure.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 10, 2019 11:37:50 GMT -5
it has been so nice not to have to scratch my head every time a selection is turned in I think Sheppard, Dalvin Tomlinson and Engram is all that is left from Reese drafts.....oh and soon to be gone BJ Goodson ... and Perkins and Gallman, one of the few decent picks he made 3rd round or after.
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 10, 2019 12:01:21 GMT -5
..are looking like the best 2 drafts of the past decade. It will take a year or two to be sure but things are looking brighter for us. I'll continue to bang this drum....despite the common media narrative, DG has nailed the last two off-seasons. Nobody is perfect, but he's gotten back to the basics bolstering the trenches on both sides, and has added competition and depth at most positions. He's a complete 180 compared to Reese, and I couldn't be happier.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 12:17:01 GMT -5
I want to see how the second year guys perform in 2019. As much as I like what DG is doing, his guys have to prove they belong long term. Will H and Barkley look like they’ll be here for a while.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 10, 2019 12:28:26 GMT -5
If the draft is a crapshoot then Reese certainly rolled snakeyes his last bunch of drafts and even when he did pick a good player, those players were dealt. Believe it or not, a lot, and I mean a lot, has to do with how they are prepared and coached in the NFL level. You can have very talented players fail due to bad coaching or development. And you can have very average players become players that look great because of it as well. The latter, I think the Patriots. The former, I think Raiders. I did like a lot of picks in the past 2 drafts, some not so much. Either way, they do look better than Reese's pieces. Reese was an awful drafting GM.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 10, 2019 12:38:57 GMT -5
If the draft is a crapshoot then Reese certainly rolled snakeyes his last bunch of drafts and even when he did pick a good player, those players were dealt. Believe it or not, a lot, and I mean a lot, has to do with how they are prepared and coached in the NFL level. You can have very talented players fail due to bad coaching or development. And you can have very average players become players that look great because of it as well. The latter, I think the Patriots. The former, I think Raiders. I did like a lot of picks in the past 2 drafts, some not so much. Either way, they do look better than Reese's pieces. Reese was an awful drafting GM. Just curious. Which picks didn’t you like?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2019 12:45:56 GMT -5
I want to see how the second year guys perform in 2019. As much as I like what DG is doing, his guys have to prove they belong long term. Will H and Barkley look like they’ll be here for a while. I would add BJ Hill along with Carter. Carter just as a linebacker never mind sacks will make plays he was starting to do it last year tipping passes tracking down backs covering tightends and running backs from time to time kid does a lot of things hopefully pass rush will be added to that list.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2019 12:50:07 GMT -5
If the draft is a crapshoot then Reese certainly rolled snakeyes his last bunch of drafts and even when he did pick a good player, those players were dealt. Believe it or not, a lot, and I mean a lot, has to do with how they are prepared and coached in the NFL level. You can have very talented players fail due to bad coaching or development. And you can have very average players become players that look great because of it as well. The latter, I think the Patriots. The former, I think Raiders. I did like a lot of picks in the past 2 drafts, some not so much. Either way, they do look better than Reese's pieces. Reese was an awful drafting GM. I was ready to throw Lauletta away but the way he played someone needing a back up might give up pick for him or maybe they keep hime and get pick for Tanney. McIntosch had a few good rushes in the jets game drawing a holding, throw in some of the undrafted guys I'm pretty happy.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2019 12:52:59 GMT -5
and Gallman, one of the few decent picks he made 3rd round or after. I like Gallmen if he can just be a little better in the passing game as a receiver, would make him and Barkely a nice 1-2 punch 2 guys that are multi dimensional you never tip your hat no matter who is in there.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 10, 2019 12:54:51 GMT -5
Believe it or not, a lot, and I mean a lot, has to do with how they are prepared and coached in the NFL level. You can have very talented players fail due to bad coaching or development. And you can have very average players become players that look great because of it as well. The latter, I think the Patriots. The former, I think Raiders. I did like a lot of picks in the past 2 drafts, some not so much. Either way, they do look better than Reese's pieces. Reese was an awful drafting GM. Just curious. Which picks didn’t you like? Oddly enough, the #2 pick in 2018 and the #6 pick in 2019. And I say this, in 2018, I knew SQB would be a great RB. There was no question to that. My issue was with taking a RB at #2 overall when we had no QB and were a team a long far ways away from a Championship team. That was my issue with SQB. I would have traded back to Denver who was trying to move up and get Darnold. As far as DJ, I really didnt like it. The player or the position in this draft. I said from day 1 I hope I was wrong, but to me, DJ didnt have the tools to be a great NFL QB. I really liked what I saw in that preseason game though, and will support him from here on out. He is our future.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 10, 2019 21:48:39 GMT -5
If the draft is a crapshoot then Reese certainly rolled snakeyes his last bunch of drafts and even when he did pick a good player, those players were dealt. Head over to the Panthers forum and they say this about Gettleman. In fact lots of people here said that about him when we got him. These two drafts look like fantastic drafts and that is all that matters to me. I've said DG has consistently made tough decisions and so far they are paying off. Cutting 2 starting OL during the year, trading away a starting CB, trading away your best defender (Snacks), trading away you sack leader, letting your best young defender walk, trading away a super star HOF caliber one of the best ever WRs, drafting a RB when you have an aging QB in "the best QB draft ever", drafting a "3rd round QB" with the #6 pick in the draft in "the weakest QB draft ever". I'm sure I missed some too. Let's just hope what ever formula he is using for these drafts keeps happening. This rookie class looks fantastic. Baker, Love and Ballantine in 1 draft completely changes a defensive backfield for 4 years.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 10, 2019 22:29:11 GMT -5
If the draft is a crapshoot then Reese certainly rolled snakeyes his last bunch of drafts and even when he did pick a good player, those players were dealt. Head over to the Panthers forum and they say this about Gettleman. In fact lots of people here said that about him when we got him. These two drafts look like fantastic drafts and that is all that matters to me. I've said DG has consistently made tough decisions and so far they are paying off. Cutting 2 starting OL during the year, trading away a starting CB, trading away your best defender (Snacks), trading away you sack leader, letting your best young defender walk, trading away a super star HOF caliber one of the best ever WRs, drafting a RB when you have an aging QB in "the best QB draft ever", drafting a "3rd round QB" with the #6 pick in the draft in "the weakest QB draft ever". I'm sure I missed some too. Let's just hope what ever formula he is using for these drafts keeps happening. This rookie class looks fantastic. Baker, Love and Ballantine in 1 draft completely changes a defensive backfield for 4 years. It could be argued he made a big mistake paying OBJ and then trading him. But none of his moves have had enough time to be judged so far. I like the youth on this team, I think we wont see the results until next year.
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2019 7:23:39 GMT -5
it has been so nice not to have to scratch my head every time a selection is turned in I think Sheppard, Dalvin Tomlinson and Engram is all that is left from Reese drafts.....oh and soon to be gone BJ Goodson ... and Perkins Wane Gallmen and Avery Moss. You can Add Aldrick Rosas, Chad Wheeler both technically UDFA in their rookie year. But Rosas was great pick find for JR.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 11, 2019 7:43:58 GMT -5
Wane Gallmen and Avery Moss. You can Add Aldrick Rosas, Chad Wheeler both technically UDFA in their rookie year. But Rosas was great pick find for JR. I only mentioned Perkins because I think he is on the way out with Goodson
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2019 7:47:05 GMT -5
Wane Gallmen and Avery Moss. You can Add Aldrick Rosas, Chad Wheeler both technically UDFA in their rookie year. But Rosas was great pick find for JR. I only mentioned Perkins because I think he is on the way out with Goodson I would add Moss to that . I get your stance on Wheeler. I think he is the best of our backup OTs . That is not saying much for our depth.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2019 8:04:30 GMT -5
Wane Gallmen and Avery Moss. You can Add Aldrick Rosas, Chad Wheeler both technically UDFA in their rookie year. But Rosas was great pick find for JR. Gallman isn't going anywhere. He is a very good back up to Saquon. Not sure why you don't like him. Rosas obviously will be around. I think Wheeler will stick too.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2019 8:06:42 GMT -5
It could be argued he made a big mistake paying OBJ and then trading him. But none of his moves have had enough time to be judged so far. I like the youth on this team, I think we wont see the results until next year. I'm not saying he is perfect or didn't make mistakes but he made the tough choices even when he did make a mistake. Let's saying paying Odell was a mistake, most teams would have just been stuck with that mistake for years; instead we traded him away which was a very difficult thing to do since we had just paid him.
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2019 8:22:48 GMT -5
Wane Gallmen and Avery Moss. You can Add Aldrick Rosas, Chad Wheeler both technically UDFA in their rookie year. But Rosas was great pick find for JR. Gallman isn't going anywhere. He is a very good back up to Saquon. Not sure why you don't like him. Rosas obviously will be around. I think Wheeler will stick too. I have nothing against him. He is a complementary back ( #3) I do not think he is a guy that can be counted on to fill in as a #1 if Saquon miss some time. He has no break away speed and he is not a bull rusher . Most times he goes down with first contact. I think he can fill a role and can come in and get yardage when needed 4 to 5 pays a game RB . What he did last year. He is not a take the reins RB. IMO: If we do not get a guy Like a Jay Ajayi type RB for a #2 and Saquon is out for a game or 2 . Our Offense will stall.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 11, 2019 8:39:03 GMT -5
Gallman isn't going anywhere. He is a very good back up to Saquon. Not sure why you don't like him. Rosas obviously will be around. I think Wheeler will stick too. I have nothing against him. He is a complementary back ( #3) I do not think he is a guy that can be counted on to fill in as a #1 if Saquon miss some time. He has no break away speed and he is not a bull rusher . Most times he goes down with first contact. I think he can fill a role and can come in and get yardage when needed 4 to 5 pays a game RB . What he did last year. He is not a take the reins RB. IMO: If we do not get a guy Like a Jay Ajayi type RB for a #2 and Saquon is out for a game or 2 . Our Offense will stall. IMO backs like Gallman are a dime a dozen
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Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2019 8:48:35 GMT -5
I have nothing against him. He is a complementary back ( #3) I do not think he is a guy that can be counted on to fill in as a #1 if Saquon miss some time. He has no break away speed and he is not a bull rusher . Most times he goes down with first contact. I think he can fill a role and can come in and get yardage when needed 4 to 5 pays a game RB . What he did last year. He is not a take the reins RB. IMO: If we do not get a guy Like a Jay Ajayi type RB for a #2 and Saquon is out for a game or 2 . Our Offense will stall. IMO backs like Gallman are a dime a dozen I think we should try to move Lauletta for a RB before the end of camp. Kenyan Drake?
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