|
Post by trueblueatnyc on Aug 11, 2019 21:27:56 GMT -5
In order to not miss a beat you would need another Barkley. Let's count our blessings we have 1 because we will never have 2 lol. If you don't think we would miss a beat with Jay Ajayi then you're greatly under estimating what Barkley brings to this team. He is a flash in the pan that produced 1 good year and has never had an injury free season. At his best he averages >5 yards a carry, >85 yards a game and .5 TDs a game. At his worst he is sitting in the medical tent. No thanks. This team is about moving forward with youth. Maybe Gallman never ends up being anything, but right now he knows the playbook, can block, can catch and doesn't cost us games....and he's healthy. I'm sure we will draft another RB next year hoping to improve our backfield. We are not going to have 2 backs like Barkley ever .No team will. That does not change what will happen without a true #2 back. As it stands now we have three #3s and a fullback. A) We will burn Saquon out. (Earl Campbell) B) see A Most of the teams you listed don't have a "true #2" back if you're basing it on someone that can take the load if Barkley is out. And Jay Ajayi isn't a good or special running back. It's why MIA was willing to trade him and PHI let him go. Also, we have some other young backs on the team as well, let's see what they have to offer before we bury them behind a mediocre injuy prone veteran.
|
|
|
Post by Bigjeep on Aug 11, 2019 21:45:37 GMT -5
If DJ turns out to be as good as I hope he is, DG will begin to be regarded as a draft genius. I am pulling for him! That's his one big gamble that will determine how long he is our GM! It's sink or swim time for him and the Giants. I've typed this many times, this is what this season is all about. Jones vs Eli in a year we are lucky to finish 8-8!
|
|
|
Post by TEM on Aug 11, 2019 21:45:59 GMT -5
We are not going to have 2 backs like Barkley ever .No team will. That does not change what will happen without a true #2 back. As it stands now we have three #3s and a fullback. A) We will burn Saquon out. (Earl Campbell) B) see A Most of the teams you listed don't have a "true #2" back if you're basing it on someone that can take the load if Barkley is out. And Jay Ajayi isn't a good or special running back. It's why MIA was willing to trade him and PHI let him go. Also, we have some other young backs on the team as well, let's see what they have to offer before we bury them behind a mediocre injuy prone veteran. I do not see any of them but what they are . Cookie cutter just like 95% of the Backs coming out of the NCAA . All the same and have flaws . Perkins has speed , falls down if he is touched , fumbles the ball. Gallman is stable with the ball , can catch,. Has no break away speed , Gets brought down with 1st contact, Smith is the same a #3 why Dallas went back to Alfred Morris. Ajayi has proven he can be a place holder. Smith and Gallman are nothing but 5-6 plays a game backs ( all that they have been) If they were better than that . They would have got the ball more. We have Saquon and a bunch of #3s
|
|
|
Post by trueblueatnyc on Aug 11, 2019 21:55:54 GMT -5
I'm hopful of the drafted players brought in by DG. But, I'm not going to say his drafts are any better than JRs' until we really see how some of these players pan out.
How many times were we all sitting here around this same time talking about how JR finally turned it around?
I remember going into 2016 talking about how JR hit it out of the park with that draft. Eli Apple was a great CB, Thompson was going to be our starting safety for years, Got our future starting MLB in BJ Goodson, starting RB in Paul Perkins and Jerell Adams was a "steal" TE late in the draft.
Meanwhile, three years later, seems all of that class, except Shepard, have mostly flamed out.
Hopefully DG's picks prove to be true long term contributors.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Aug 12, 2019 6:44:02 GMT -5
In order to not miss a beat you would need another Barkley. Let's count our blessings we have 1 because we will never have 2 lol. If you don't think we would miss a beat with Jay Ajayi then you're greatly under estimating what Barkley brings to this team. He is a flash in the pan that produced 1 good year and has never had an injury free season. At his best he averages >5 yards a carry, >85 yards a game and .5 TDs a game. At his worst he is sitting in the medical tent. No thanks. This team is about moving forward with youth. Maybe Gallman never ends up being anything, but right now he knows the playbook, can block, can catch and doesn't cost us games....and he's healthy. I'm sure we will draft another RB next year hoping to improve our backfield. We are not going to have 2 backs like Barkley ever .No team will. That does not change what will happen without a true #2 back. As it stands now we have three #3s and a fullback. A) We will burn Saquon out. (Earl Campbell) B) see A You said you don't want to miss a beat if Barkley goes down. That will happen whether Gallman is our back or Jay Ajayi or some other guy.
Want to improve the team? Excellent. Signing Jay Ajayi is not the way to improve anything. The only thing he has proven is that for one year he was an ok back. That team then traded him. His second team then released him. Now no other team has brought him in to camp. He has never played a full season. We should roll with what we have and address it next year in the draft. The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 7:07:20 GMT -5
You certainly know this team was real bad when knowledgeable fans start throwing praising at the draft picks even before half of them have taken a real snap. This is way too early to be praising last years draft and especially this years one.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 7:11:20 GMT -5
Every Giants fan should be pulling for him as well. While I think human nature is to want to tell people, "I told you so", I can't believe there are Giants fans out there that want this guy to be anything other than a top QB in the league. I also can't believe people make this comment. Not sure what fans you've seen saying they hope he busts but I'm at a few sites and not one person made this claim. There have a been a few who made this same fake claim but honestly who has said they hope he sucks?
|
|
|
Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2019 7:16:19 GMT -5
We are not going to have 2 backs like Barkley ever .No team will. That does not change what will happen without a true #2 back. As it stands now we have three #3s and a fullback. A) We will burn Saquon out. (Earl Campbell) B) see A You said you don't want to miss a beat if Barkley goes down. That will happen whether Gallman is our back or Jay Ajayi or some other guy.
Want to improve the team? Excellent. Signing Jay Ajayi is not the way to improve anything. The only thing he has proven is that for one year he was an ok back. That team then traded him. His second team then released him. Now no other team has brought him in to camp. He has never played a full season. We should roll with what we have and address it next year in the draft. The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season.
Jay Ajayi is all that is out there of any quality Your last line is false Rodney Hampton OJ Anderson ( break glass incase of emergency) Ward Jacobs Jacobs Bradshaw. To the contrary it does matter. Our own history has proved a #2 not a #3 gives an edge.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Aug 12, 2019 7:23:41 GMT -5
Jay Ajayi is all that is out there of any quality Your last line is false Rodney Hampton OJ Anderson ( break glass incase of emergency) Ward Jacobs Jacobs Bradshaw. To the contrary it does matter. Our own history has proved a #2 not a #3 gives an edge. If the best guy available is awful then we should not be trying to get someone. I'd rather see which young gun with potential is a roster casualty instead of Ajayi.
My last line is 100% true, I'll highlight the part you overlooked "The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season".
|
|
|
Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2019 7:30:21 GMT -5
Jay Ajayi is all that is out there of any quality Your last line is false Rodney Hampton OJ Anderson ( break glass incase of emergency) Ward Jacobs Jacobs Bradshaw. To the contrary it does matter. Our own history has proved a #2 not a #3 gives an edge. If the best guy available is awful then we should not be trying to get someone. I'd rather see which young gun with potential is a roster casualty instead of Ajayi.
My last line is 100% true, I'll highlight the part you overlooked "The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season".
He is not awful . He ran Philly as a # 2 to the SB . I do not understand how that is not visible. "The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season". Did you have that same logic in 90 ? If you did it was wrong. Work him out and see how he does. At this point you could get him for vet minimum
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Aug 12, 2019 7:39:11 GMT -5
He is not awful . He ran Philly as a # 2 to the SB . I do not understand how that is not visible. "The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season". Did you have that same logic in 90 ? If you did it was wrong. Work him out and see how he does. At this point you could get him for vet minimum This is not 1990. Barkley isn't Hampton. This is not an all world defense. This offense isn't that offense. 16 year Eli isn't prime Phil Simms. Ask anyone else how this team will do if Barkley goes down and Ajayi (or insert any other RB) is our starter.
|
|
|
Post by bringsimmsback on Aug 12, 2019 8:13:23 GMT -5
If the best guy available is awful then we should not be trying to get someone. I'd rather see which young gun with potential is a roster casualty instead of Ajayi.
My last line is 100% true, I'll highlight the part you overlooked "The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season".
He is not awful . He ran Philly as a # 2 to the SB . I do not understand how that is not visible. "The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season". Did you have that same logic in 90 ? If you did it was wrong. Work him out and see how he does. At this point you could get him for vet minimum If he has anything left but is injury prone, I would wait to sign him after the first game when salaries are no longer guaranteed. Based on what I've seen and read though, I think Gallman is a fine backup.
|
|
|
Post by Sarcasman on Aug 12, 2019 10:02:39 GMT -5
If the best guy available is awful then we should not be trying to get someone. I'd rather see which young gun with potential is a roster casualty instead of Ajayi.
My last line is 100% true, I'll highlight the part you overlooked "The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season".
He is not awful . He ran Philly as a # 2 to the SB . I do not understand how that is not visible. "The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season". Did you have that same logic in 90 ? If you did it was wrong. Work him out and see how he does. At this point you could get him for vet minimum The peanut gallery flock has spoken on this issue. RBs are dime a dozen so you can back him up with whomever and there will be no difference.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Aug 12, 2019 10:49:28 GMT -5
He is not awful . He ran Philly as a # 2 to the SB . I do not understand how that is not visible. "The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season". Did you have that same logic in 90 ? If you did it was wrong. Work him out and see how he does. At this point you could get him for vet minimum The peanut gallery flock has spoken on this issue. RBs are dime a dozen so you can back him up with whomever and there will be no difference. Just to be clear I don't think RBs are a dime a dozen, I just don't think Ajayi is a drastic improvement over what we have...and he is always injured.
|
|
Shim
Special Teams
Adapt or die.
Posts: 341
|
Post by Shim on Aug 12, 2019 12:59:15 GMT -5
Doesn't it feel great having a competent GM that actually watches film, folks?
|
|
|
Post by trueblueatnyc on Aug 12, 2019 13:22:59 GMT -5
You said you don't want to miss a beat if Barkley goes down. That will happen whether Gallman is our back or Jay Ajayi or some other guy.
Want to improve the team? Excellent. Signing Jay Ajayi is not the way to improve anything. The only thing he has proven is that for one year he was an ok back. That team then traded him. His second team then released him. Now no other team has brought him in to camp. He has never played a full season. We should roll with what we have and address it next year in the draft. The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season.
Jay Ajayi is all that is out there of any quality Your last line is false Rodney Hampton OJ Anderson ( break glass incase of emergency) Ward Jacobs Jacobs Bradshaw. To the contrary it does matter. Our own history has proved a #2 not a #3 gives an edge. Except Ward and Jacobs, and Jacobs and Bradshaw were all at one point unknown backs with lots of flaws in their game. All Jacobs had been been before 2007 was a part time goal line back, good for 5-6 carries a game and no ability to catch the football. Sounds familiar. Before 2008 Derrick Ward has shown nothing, nada zilch. Bradshaw still had a ton to prove going into 2009 after only playing in small stints in 2007 and being hurt in 2008. None of those guys you mentioned had proven they could carry any sort of load prior to them being put in the position of having to carry the load. It's fine if you don't think Gallman is a "true #2", the dude is a rookie who played behind the same crap line the Barkley often struggled behind last year. But, at some point you have to let your young guys play and see what they've got.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 13:29:32 GMT -5
You said you don't want to miss a beat if Barkley goes down. That will happen whether Gallman is our back or Jay Ajayi or some other guy.
Want to improve the team? Excellent. Signing Jay Ajayi is not the way to improve anything. The only thing he has proven is that for one year he was an ok back. That team then traded him. His second team then released him. Now no other team has brought him in to camp. He has never played a full season. We should roll with what we have and address it next year in the draft. The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season.
Jay Ajayi is all that is out there of any quality Your last line is false Rodney Hampton OJ Anderson ( break glass incase of emergency) Ward Jacobs Jacobs Bradshaw. To the contrary it does matter. Our own history has proved a #2 not a #3 gives an edge. Honestly, I would like to have a bruiser backup RB. Barkley is the whole package but I would like to see him take less shots and lets someone else wear down a defense. I don't think there any out there right now but a guy like Jacobs would've been ideal. Barkley is going to be better than any backup RB in everything that it won't throw off the defense one bit. The one thing a backup can do more than Barkley is pummel defenses at the LOS.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 13:57:18 GMT -5
it has been so nice not to have to scratch my head every time a selection is turned in I think Sheppard, Dalvin Tomlinson and Engram is all that is left from Reese drafts.....oh and soon to be gone BJ Goodson Like Engram. Don’t get me wrong. I like the kid but don’t think we needed a TE in the first round that year. So many other positions of need
|
|
|
Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2019 15:21:38 GMT -5
Jay Ajayi is all that is out there of any quality Your last line is false Rodney Hampton OJ Anderson ( break glass incase of emergency) Ward Jacobs Jacobs Bradshaw. To the contrary it does matter. Our own history has proved a #2 not a #3 gives an edge. Except Ward and Jacobs, and Jacobs and Bradshaw were all at one point unknown backs with lots of flaws in their game. All Jacobs had been been before 2007 was a part time goal line back, good for 5-6 carries a game and no ability to catch the football. Sounds familiar. Before 2008 Derrick Ward has shown nothing, nada zilch. Bradshaw still had a ton to prove going into 2009 after only playing in small stints in 2007 and being hurt in 2008. None of those guys you mentioned had proven they could carry any sort of load prior to them being put in the position of having to carry the load. It's fine if you don't think Gallman is a "true #2", the dude is a rookie who played behind the same crap line the Barkley often struggled behind last year. But, at some point you have to let your young guys play and see what they've got. I agree with you first line . But we have had a big enough sample ,the Giants with Gallman and Dallas with Smith to show what they are. The conclusion 6-to 5 snaps a game Running Backs. I am not making this stuff up. It is statistically sound data. Gallman is not a rookie He is coming into his 3 season. If Wane would have repeated what he did in his rookie season. This would be a nonissue . The entire offense became better as the season progressed . Gallman's regressed. 4.3 per carry in his rookie year to 3.4 last year. He lost over a yard per attempt. Saquon had 14 carries for 170 in week 13. Gallman had 14 carries for 38 in week 13 last season . Please explain how those completely different numbers can be caused by as you say crap line . Even with the one run for 78 Barkley had. Saquon still had almost 3X as many yards as Gallman with the same amount of carries. This scenario is telling . He had a chance to show his skill set with more carries and he ended up with 2.7 a carry. Not what you want from a #2 when the #1 had 12 YPA. Gallman has no second gear . Also he is not a pounder. That is his problem. Perkins is fast but at the first touch he goes down and fumbles. I see all 3 of them as dime a dozen NCAA RBs . 5-6 plays a game . If the HC in Dallas and NY had faith in them. They would have been given more touches last season . Hell Dallas let Smith walk. That tell you what they think of him.
|
|
|
Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2019 15:23:22 GMT -5
He is not awful . He ran Philly as a # 2 to the SB . I do not understand how that is not visible. "The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season". Did you have that same logic in 90 ? If you did it was wrong. Work him out and see how he does. At this point you could get him for vet minimum If he has anything left but is injury prone, I would wait to sign him after the first game when salaries are no longer guaranteed. Based on what I've seen and read though, I think Gallman is a fine backup. I would love to see the Giants bring him in for a workout .
|
|
|
Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2019 15:35:30 GMT -5
He is not awful . He ran Philly as a # 2 to the SB . I do not understand how that is not visible. "The play of our #2 RB won't make or break this season". Did you have that same logic in 90 ? If you did it was wrong. Work him out and see how he does. At this point you could get him for vet minimum This is not 1990. Barkley isn't Hampton. This is not an all world defense. This offense isn't that offense. 16 year Eli isn't prime Phil Simms. Ask anyone else how this team will do if Barkley goes down and Ajayi (or insert any other RB) is our starter.
Don't spin this away from RBs . That is the discussion Who did you ask? What for knowledge of events do they have ? With your whole 90 rant . I was right about the RB. You can try to deny it but it is true. Are you trying to say just because we may not be at the same caliber team as the 90 team . We should not build the best team we can get? That's your logic FYI: Ajayi is a career 4.5 a yard per attempt RB in Philly 5.1 Better than the 3 we have on the roster now.
|
|
|
Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2019 15:47:33 GMT -5
it has been so nice not to have to scratch my head every time a selection is turned in I think Sheppard, Dalvin Tomlinson and Engram is all that is left from Reese drafts.....oh and soon to be gone BJ Goodson Like Engram. Don’t get me wrong. I like the kid but don’t think we needed a TE in the first round that year. So many other positions of need We could've had Taco Charlton... Or maybe even Jabrill Peppers?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 17:51:27 GMT -5
..are looking like the best 2 drafts of the past decade. It will take a year or two to be sure but things are looking brighter for us. Makes it A LOT easier when you're picking at #2 and #6. We will likely be top 5 again so while the drafting appears great, everything else? hmm. Its easy to "fix" the cap by getting rid of players. However, the overall talent on this team is still quite putrid,
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Aug 12, 2019 18:36:04 GMT -5
This is not 1990. Barkley isn't Hampton. This is not an all world defense. This offense isn't that offense. 16 year Eli isn't prime Phil Simms. Ask anyone else how this team will do if Barkley goes down and Ajayi (or insert any other RB) is our starter.
Don't spin this away from RBs . That is the discussion Who did you ask? What for knowledge of events do they have ?With your whole 90 rant . I was right about the RB. You can try to deny it but it is true. Are you trying to say just because we may not be at the same caliber team as the 90 team . We should not build the best team we can get? That's your logic FYI: Ajayi is a career 4.5 a yard per attempt RB in Philly 5.1 Better than the 3 we have on the roster now. No offense but sometimes you get a bit excited and I have no clue what you're trying to say.
I'll keep this short so you don't have to make up my meaning or logic. Jay Ajayi can not replace Saquon Barkley. Ajayi has ZERO full injury free seasons under his belt. No thanks. We can address back up RB in next years draft.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Aug 12, 2019 18:37:21 GMT -5
We will likely be top 5 again Shall we make a bet on that?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 18:38:24 GMT -5
We will likely be top 5 again Shall we make a bet on that? Absolutely. What are we betting? 100 USD?
|
|
|
Post by Sarcasman on Aug 12, 2019 18:42:33 GMT -5
The peanut gallery flock has spoken on this issue. RBs are dime a dozen so you can back him up with whomever and there will be no difference. Just to be clear I don't think RBs are a dime a dozen, I just don't think Ajayi is a drastic improvement over what we have...and he is always injured. I know, Mike. And I really like Ajayi I think he'd be a great addition with the usual caveat...at the right price.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Aug 12, 2019 19:18:45 GMT -5
Shall we make a bet on that? Absolutely. What are we betting? 100 USD? To be clear you think the Giants will finish the season in the bottom 5. I disagree. Done. Paypal me after the season.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on Aug 12, 2019 19:25:11 GMT -5
Just to be clear I don't think RBs are a dime a dozen, I just don't think Ajayi is a drastic improvement over what we have...and he is always injured. I know, Mike. And I really like Ajayi I think he'd be a great addition with the usual caveat...at the right price. Always at the right price. I'm not even against signing him, I just have pretty low expectations of what he would do for us. I think he was a typical 1 year wonder that happens in the NFL. Here is his injury list. Right ACL tear in college grade 3 grade 1 hamstring strain fracture rib Shoulder strain Concussion Vertebral fracture Left ACL tear grade 3 2018
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 20:10:07 GMT -5
We will likely be top 5 again Shall we make a bet on that? Yeah No way. I’ll bet on over
|
|