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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2019 20:41:08 GMT -5
I know, Mike. And I really like Ajayi I think he'd be a great addition with the usual caveat...at the right price. Always at the right price. I'm not even against signing him, I just have pretty low expectations of what he would do for us. I think he was a typical 1 year wonder that happens in the NFL. Here is his injury list. Right ACL tear in college grade 3 grade 1 hamstring strain fracture rib Shoulder strain Concussion Vertebral fracture Left ACL tear grade 3 2018 I use to be scared of RBs with knee injuries , IF AP can come back from that at 32 . Anyone can. I think he deserves a tryout.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 12, 2019 22:53:01 GMT -5
I know, Mike. And I really like Ajayi I think he'd be a great addition with the usual caveat...at the right price. Always at the right price. I'm not even against signing him, I just have pretty low expectations of what he would do for us. I think he was a typical 1 year wonder that happens in the NFL. Here is his injury list. Right ACL tear in college grade 3 grade 1 hamstring strain fracture rib Shoulder strain Concussion Vertebral fracture Left ACL tear grade 3 2018 That's fair enough. When healthy, I like the guy. I think he's a better than average back. But it's true he hasn't played much in the past couple of years.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 13, 2019 5:45:16 GMT -5
I use to be scared of RBs with knee injuries , IF AP can come back from that at 32 . Anyone can. I think he deserves a tryout. "IF AP can do it, anyone can".
That ends this line of discussion for me. Can't have a realistic discussion with someone making up reality. Have a good one TEM.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 13, 2019 5:48:37 GMT -5
That's fair enough. When healthy, I like the guy. I think he's a better than average back. But it's true he hasn't played much in the past couple of years. To each his own. He reminds me of Peyton Hillis. Had 1 really impressive year...then nothing. Happens a lot to RBs in the NFL.
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Post by TEM on Aug 13, 2019 6:00:16 GMT -5
I use to be scared of RBs with knee injuries , IF AP can come back from that at 32 . Anyone can. I think he deserves a tryout. "IF AP can do it, anyone can".
That ends this line of discussion for me. Can't have a realistic discussion with someone making up reality. Have a good one TEM.
How can simple logic elude you so easily? If I have to keep explain easily decipherable commentary that any grade school child can. You are right this line of discussion should end. To explain: If medical procedure has become so advanced . That a 32 year old RB can come back from Knee reconstruction. A younger RB should have no problem with his full recovery. Is that dumbed down enough for you
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 13, 2019 6:22:15 GMT -5
"IF AP can do it, anyone can".
That ends this line of discussion for me. Can't have a realistic discussion with someone making up reality. Have a good one TEM.
How can simple logic elude you so easily? If I have to keep explain easily decipherable commentary that any grade school child can. You are right this line of discussion should end. To explain: If medical procedure has become so advanced . That a 32 year old RB can come back from Knee reconstruction. A younger RB should have no problem with his full recovery. Is that dumbed down enough for you different people recover differently from the same injury. AP is the exception, not the rule (IMHO), and has had a few seasons to show that the knee really did recover. Ajai doesn't have that history.
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Post by TEM on Aug 13, 2019 6:37:07 GMT -5
How can simple logic elude you so easily? If I have to keep explain easily decipherable commentary that any grade school child can. You are right this line of discussion should end. To explain: If medical procedure has become so advanced . That a 32 year old RB can come back from Knee reconstruction. A younger RB should have no problem with his full recovery. Is that dumbed down enough for you different people recover differently from the same injury. AP is the exception, not the rule (IMHO), and has had a few seasons to show that the knee really did recover. Ajai doesn't have that history. Do your research . 2011 he had the sane injury to his right knee . He full recovered and showed no signs of it hampering his ability to run.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 6:46:53 GMT -5
I use to be scared of RBs with knee injuries , IF AP can come back from that at 32 . Anyone can. I think he deserves a tryout. "IF AP can do it, anyone can".
That ends this line of discussion for me. Can't have a realistic discussion with someone making up reality. Have a good one TEM.
I hear where you are coming from. I married the the queen of outlier outcomes and does she like to argue as if it's now a common occurrence.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 13, 2019 7:00:41 GMT -5
How can simple logic elude you so easily? If I have to keep explain easily decipherable commentary that any grade school child can. You are right this line of discussion should end. To explain: If medical procedure has become so advanced . That a 32 year old RB can come back from Knee reconstruction. A younger RB should have no problem with his full recovery. Is that dumbed down enough for you We don't agree on a football discussion, does that mean we have to resort to personal insults? One that writes a sentence like that should not insult others intelligence. You are better than that TEM.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 13, 2019 7:03:57 GMT -5
different people recover differently from the same injury. AP is the exception, not the rule (IMHO), and has had a few seasons to show that the knee really did recover. Ajai doesn't have that history. Thank you. Spot on. You know what else AP has that Ajayi doesn't? An NFL season that was not shortened by injury.
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Post by TEM on Aug 13, 2019 7:06:10 GMT -5
How can simple logic elude you so easily? If I have to keep explain easily decipherable commentary that any grade school child can. You are right this line of discussion should end. To explain: If medical procedure has become so advanced . That a 32 year old RB can come back from Knee reconstruction. A younger RB should have no problem with his full recovery. Is that dumbed down enough for you We don't agree on a football discussion, does that mean we have to resort to personal insults? One that writes a sentence like that should not insult others intelligence. You are better than that TEM. You are right I am better than that. So are you. I was responding to this You feel this was not insulting? " IF AP can do it, anyone can".
That ends this line of discussion for me. Can't have a realistic discussion with someone making up reality
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 13, 2019 7:17:20 GMT -5
You are right I am better than that. So are you. I was responding to this You feel this was not insulting? " IF AP can do it, anyone can". That ends this line of discussion for me. Can't have a realistic discussion with someone making up realityThinking that if AP can do something then anyone can do it is not reality. For instance AP ran for 13,000 yards, not everyone can do that. His recovery from knee surgery is considered remarkable by everyone, but you somehow think that means anyone can do it. So know I don't think that is an insult. Have a good day.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 13, 2019 9:36:34 GMT -5
That's fair enough. When healthy, I like the guy. I think he's a better than average back. But it's true he hasn't played much in the past couple of years. To each his own. He reminds me of Peyton Hillis. Had 1 really impressive year...then nothing. Happens a lot to RBs in the NFL. Fair enough; I can understand that. 2016 really was the only very good year he had.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 13, 2019 12:01:16 GMT -5
You are right I am better than that. So are you. I was responding to this You feel this was not insulting? " IF AP can do it, anyone can". That ends this line of discussion for me. Can't have a realistic discussion with someone making up realityThinking that if AP can do something then anyone can do it is not reality. For instance AP ran for 13,000 yards, not everyone can do that. His recovery from knee surgery is considered remarkable by everyone, but you somehow think that means anyone can do it. So know I don't think that is an insult. Have a good day. As Gurley can now attest to.
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Post by TEM on Aug 13, 2019 14:45:32 GMT -5
You are right I am better than that. So are you. I was responding to this You feel this was not insulting? " IF AP can do it, anyone can". That ends this line of discussion for me. Can't have a realistic discussion with someone making up realityThinking that if AP can do something then anyone can do it is not reality. For instance AP ran for 13,000 yards, not everyone can do that. His recovery from knee surgery is considered remarkable by everyone, but you somehow think that means anyone can do it. So know I don't think that is an insult. Have a good day. Call it what you want. Are you saying he has this above average healing gift that other RBs do not . And I should not question your logic. SMH
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Aug 13, 2019 19:04:00 GMT -5
Except Ward and Jacobs, and Jacobs and Bradshaw were all at one point unknown backs with lots of flaws in their game. All Jacobs had been been before 2007 was a part time goal line back, good for 5-6 carries a game and no ability to catch the football. Sounds familiar. Before 2008 Derrick Ward has shown nothing, nada zilch. Bradshaw still had a ton to prove going into 2009 after only playing in small stints in 2007 and being hurt in 2008. None of those guys you mentioned had proven they could carry any sort of load prior to them being put in the position of having to carry the load. It's fine if you don't think Gallman is a "true #2", the dude is a rookie who played behind the same crap line the Barkley often struggled behind last year. But, at some point you have to let your young guys play and see what they've got. I agree with you first line . But we have had a big enough sample ,the Giants with Gallman and Dallas with Smith to show what they are. The conclusion 6-to 5 snaps a game Running Backs. I am not making this stuff up. It is statistically sound data. Gallman is not a rookie He is coming into his 3 season. If Wane would have repeated what he did in his rookie season. This would be a nonissue . The entire offense became better as the season progressed . Gallman's regressed. 4.3 per carry in his rookie year to 3.4 last year. He lost over a yard per attempt. Saquon had 14 carries for 170 in week 13. Gallman had 14 carries for 38 in week 13 last season . Please explain how those completely different numbers can be caused by as you say crap line . Even with the one run for 78 Barkley had. Saquon still had almost 3X as many yards as Gallman with the same amount of carries. This scenario is telling . He had a chance to show his skill set with more carries and he ended up with 2.7 a carry. Not what you want from a #2 when the #1 had 12 YPA. Gallman has no second gear . Also he is not a pounder. That is his problem. Perkins is fast but at the first touch he goes down and fumbles. I see all 3 of them as dime a dozen NCAA RBs . 5-6 plays a game . If the HC in Dallas and NY had faith in them. They would have been given more touches last season . Hell Dallas let Smith walk. That tell you what they think of him. yes, Gallman is going into his third season, and he has looked good in his first two years. Him regressing in terms of his YAC, that certainly isn't great, but also certainly something that happens quite a lot with many running backs. He also looked better last year with pass protection and catching the ball. Especially with RBs with a small sample size like Gallman. Fournette ran less than 4 YPC, is he just a 5-6 carry a game running back? How about the Chiefs using Damien Williams as their starter? Up until the end of last year, he had not shown much. And again, you keep going back to a RB being able to carry the load. But you're suggestion is to sign a guy that has shown multiple times to be unable to do so, or even stay on the field long enough to try. And you want him while he's coming off a mid season ACL tear. No thank you. Gallman is probably more established with at least 10 other back-up RBs in the league.
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Post by TEM on Aug 14, 2019 3:22:26 GMT -5
I agree with you first line . But we have had a big enough sample ,the Giants with Gallman and Dallas with Smith to show what they are. The conclusion 6-to 5 snaps a game Running Backs. I am not making this stuff up. It is statistically sound data. Gallman is not a rookie He is coming into his 3 season. If Wane would have repeated what he did in his rookie season. This would be a nonissue . The entire offense became better as the season progressed . Gallman's regressed. 4.3 per carry in his rookie year to 3.4 last year. He lost over a yard per attempt. Saquon had 14 carries for 170 in week 13. Gallman had 14 carries for 38 in week 13 last season . Please explain how those completely different numbers can be caused by as you say crap line . Even with the one run for 78 Barkley had. Saquon still had almost 3X as many yards as Gallman with the same amount of carries. This scenario is telling . He had a chance to show his skill set with more carries and he ended up with 2.7 a carry. Not what you want from a #2 when the #1 had 12 YPA. Gallman has no second gear . Also he is not a pounder. That is his problem. Perkins is fast but at the first touch he goes down and fumbles. I see all 3 of them as dime a dozen NCAA RBs . 5-6 plays a game . If the HC in Dallas and NY had faith in them. They would have been given more touches last season . Hell Dallas let Smith walk. That tell you what they think of him. yes, Gallman is going into his third season, and he has looked good in his first two years. Him regressing in terms of his YAC, that certainly isn't great, but also certainly something that happens quite a lot with many running backs. He also looked better last year with pass protection and catching the ball. Especially with RBs with a small sample size like Gallman. Fournette ran less than 4 YPC, is he just a 5-6 carry a game running back? How about the Chiefs using Damien Williams as their starter? Up until the end of last year, he had not shown much. And again, you keep going back to a RB being able to carry the load. But you're suggestion is to sign a guy that has shown multiple times to be unable to do so, or even stay on the field long enough to try. And you want him while he's coming off a mid season ACL tear. No thank you. Gallman is probably more established with at least 10 other back-up RBs in the league. He plays 5 snaps a game
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 5:48:18 GMT -5
Call it what you want. Are you saying he has this above average healing gift that other RBs do not . And I should not question your logic. SMH People heal at different rates. AP recovered extremely quickly from that knee injury by all accounts (not by my own account). I'm not saying he is magic, I'm saying that just because he healed like he did does not mean EVERYONE will.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 5:51:07 GMT -5
Wrong. The NFL is funny that they keep track of everything, including snap count. Stop making things up to try and win an argument that is based on your opinion. You can have your opinion, others can disagree. That is perfectly fine. You can't just make things up though.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 14, 2019 7:48:52 GMT -5
Call it what you want. Are you saying he has this above average healing gift that other RBs do not . And I should not question your logic. SMH People heal at different rates. AP recovered extremely quickly from that knee injury by all accounts (not by my own account). I'm not saying he is magic, I'm saying that just because he healed like he did does not mean EVERYONE will. I work in the medical device industry and can tell you for sure that different people recover at different rates and to different levels of effectiveness. TEM, you really think that everyone heals the same?
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 9:28:34 GMT -5
I work in the medical device industry and can tell you for sure that different people recover at different rates and to different levels of effectiveness. TEM, you really think that everyone heals the same?
"The Minnesota Vikings' future Hall of Fame running back has defied medical textbooks, anatomical knowledge and clinical reason" "Words like "jaw-dropping" or "superhuman" do not even scratch the surface."
What Peterson did is not what anyone else does. He is in the top 99.9999999% of the spectrum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 12:33:30 GMT -5
I work in the medical device industry and can tell you for sure that different people recover at different rates and to different levels of effectiveness. TEM, you really think that everyone heals the same?
"The Minnesota Vikings' future Hall of Fame running back has defied medical textbooks, anatomical knowledge and clinical reason" "Words like "jaw-dropping" or "superhuman" do not even scratch the surface."
What Peterson did is not what anyone else does. He is in the top 99.9999999% of the spectrum.
Don't tell TEM this!
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 15, 2019 10:15:58 GMT -5
Always at the right price. I'm not even against signing him, I just have pretty low expectations of what he would do for us. I think he was a typical 1 year wonder that happens in the NFL. Here is his injury list. Right ACL tear in college grade 3 grade 1 hamstring strain fracture rib Shoulder strain Concussion Vertebral fracture Left ACL tear grade 3 2018 I use to be scared of RBs with knee injuries , IF AP can come back from that at 32 . Anyone can. I think he deserves a tryout. No thanks for a look at Ajayi if I get a vote lol
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Post by jaymas on Aug 15, 2019 10:32:37 GMT -5
Yeah AP is an actual, physical freak of nature. Everyone knows this. Using it as some sort of barometer for what an average guy (by NFL standards) like JA could do is silly.
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Post by Shim on Aug 19, 2019 13:33:29 GMT -5
Shall we make a bet on that? Absolutely. What are we betting? 100 USD? I would take that bet. Redskins, Cardinals, Raiders, Dolphins, Buccaneers should shape out the top 5. I would expect the Giants to be in the 8-10 range, in the mix with teams like Jaguars, Broncos, Ravens.
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