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Post by Kase1 on Aug 13, 2019 15:54:58 GMT -5
I wish Kaepernick would just move on and realize he is yesterdays news. He may be yesterdays news, but racial inequality and excessive force used against people of color IS NOT
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Post by hadenough on Aug 13, 2019 15:55:09 GMT -5
It didn't seem like he was supporting his cause. More like he was supportive of him working out in case a tryout came up. Anyway, Saquon seems like a really good dude. But so did Odell year 1. Then Odell got an ego and became an individual. Hopefully Saquon stays Saquon. He can still be a good dude, not egotistical and ALSO support Kap's cause. They're not all hand in hand Who said they all go together?
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 13, 2019 15:59:44 GMT -5
Kap will never play football again. He has unrealistic salary demand for his skills. That is because he wants to be a victim. He stays more relevant being a victim than he does being buried on a teams roster as a backup. Like so many athletes Kap has not come to grips that he’s not that good. Is Hakeem Nicks putting a time chart on his twitter page of the last time he was employed by the league? Of course not, he’s not a jerkoff who feels he’s entitled to play in the league. Marvin Austin is looking for work. Should he sue the league because he sucks?
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 13, 2019 16:03:58 GMT -5
I wish Kaepernick would just move on and realize he is yesterdays news. He may be yesterdays news, but racial inequality and excessive force used against people of color IS NOT my quote had nothing whatsoever to do with race but I think you new that...
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Post by Kase1 on Aug 13, 2019 16:09:29 GMT -5
He may be yesterdays news, but racial inequality and excessive force used against people of color IS NOT my quote had nothing whatsoever to do with race but I think you new that... I agree, you didnt mention it all. What you said was Kapernick is yesterdays news And what I said was that Kapernicks stance is NOT yesterdays news, since it is still a major issue and has to do with racial inequality and excessive force used against people of color
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Post by Kase1 on Aug 13, 2019 16:11:00 GMT -5
Kap will never play football again. He has unrealistic salary demand for his skills. That is because he wants to be a victim. He stays more relevant being a victim than he does being buried on a teams roster as a backup. Like so many athletes Kap has not come to grips that he’s not that good. Is Hakeem Nicks putting a time chart on his twitter page of the last time he was employed by the league? Of course not, he’s not a jerkoff who feels he’s entitled to play in the league. Marvin Austin is looking for work. Should he sue the league because he sucks? Well it sounds like he feels that he was blackballed by the league for his stance on a polarizing issue. Not because he was an average QB for most of his career
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Post by soflo on Aug 13, 2019 16:11:31 GMT -5
SB has the right to say whatever he wants. Although isn't this topic a dead horse at this point? This topic rises from the grave every year at this time because it's about the time people realize another NFL year has arrived without him being signed. Really anyone has the right to say what they want. The question is whether or not they should.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 13, 2019 16:12:18 GMT -5
Olivier Vernon took a knee Snacks Harrison took a knee Landon Collins took a knee What do all 3 of those players have in common in 2019? Not on the Giants. Michael Thomas took a knee and he's on the team For the Giants?
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Post by TEM on Aug 13, 2019 16:15:05 GMT -5
Kap will never play football again. He has unrealistic salary demand for his skills. That is because he wants to be a victim. He stays more relevant being a victim than he does being buried on a teams roster as a backup. Like so many athletes Kap has not come to grips that he’s not that good. Is Hakeem Nicks putting a time chart on his twitter page of the last time he was employed by the league? Of course not, he’s not a jerkoff who feels he’s entitled to play in the league. Marvin Austin is looking for work. Should he sue the league because he sucks? He could get a job as a backup . He turned down the Denver contract because they gave him a realistic contract according to his skill set. He wants to be a victim not a football player. bleacherreport.com/articles/2791321-john-elway-colin-kaepernick-had-his-chance-to-be-here-was-offered-contract"In 2016, Elway told reporters that the Broncos had made an offer to Kaepernick. According to CSN Bay Area's Mindi Bach, the contract would have paid Kaepernick $7 million per season over two seasons."
Just this year he wanted a ridiculous 20 million a year to play in the AAF www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/02/15/report-colin-kaepernick-wanted-million-play-aaf/?noredirect=onThat price? At least $20 million, according to the Associated Press’s Barry Wilner, who said he got that information from a person with “knowledge of the conversation” between Kaepernick and the fledgling league.
That kind of sum would have been far beyond the salary structure of the AAF, which is giving each of its players, regardless of position, a three-year contract worth $250,000. Neither Kaepernick nor his representatives have publicly commented on the AP report.
He comes up with unplayable demands so he does not have to play.
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Post by soflo on Aug 13, 2019 16:15:11 GMT -5
It didn't seem like he was supporting his cause. More like he was supportive of him working out in case a tryout came up. Anyway, Saquon seems like a really good dude. But so did Odell year 1. Then Odell got an ego and became an individual. Hopefully Saquon stays Saquon. You're right about Odell. I didnt get too many "me" vibes from him during his rookie year. The Josh Norman feud was the following year. That really started it. I would also include Victor Cruz. Totally humble dude...who kind of became more obsessed with his brand after he signed with Rockafella right after the 2012 super bowl. So really, no one is immune to this.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 13, 2019 16:18:47 GMT -5
It didn't seem like he was supporting his cause. More like he was supportive of him working out in case a tryout came up. Anyway, Saquon seems like a really good dude. But so did Odell year 1. Then Odell got an ego and became an individual. Hopefully Saquon stays Saquon. You're right about Odell. I didnt get too many "me" vibes from him during his rookie year. The Josh Norman feud was the following year. That really started it. I would also include Victor Cruz. Totally humble dude...who kind of became more obsessed with his brand after he signed with Rockafella right after the 2012 super bowl. So really, no one is immune to this. Eli?
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Post by Merc on Aug 13, 2019 16:21:26 GMT -5
He needs to spend less time with Odell and Elliot.
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Post by soflo on Aug 13, 2019 16:26:25 GMT -5
I wish Kaepernick would just move on and realize he is yesterdays news. He may be yesterdays news, but racial inequality and excessive force used against people of color IS NOT Sure, that's fine. I doubt anyone would disagree. But here's the thing. Although YOU may want to hear as much of it as humanly possible, not everyone does. So, if you're more obsessed with that kind of thing, you have the option of watching the 24 hour news cycle. I think you'd be poisoning your brain, but it's your right to consume that if you choose. Sports fans, on the other hand, who want nothing more than to get away from the nonsense in the world, do not have that option if it's invaded by the politically polarized nutters of this world. Imagine you're some ordinary schmuck (hell, I don't even HAVE to imagine), and your life sucks, or you're job sucks, or you're boss is a total douche, you get no respect in life, or your kid's hooked on opioids, or suicidal, or your marriage is failing, or whatever...and all you want to do is sit down for a couple of hours and watch a stupid game so you don't have to think about any of this crap. Now imagine some dude jumps out of the television and starts telling you...no YELLING AT YOU... about all of HIS problems. If you're that guy, were you looking to hear any of this when you turned on the tv? Better yet, if you're that guy, do you have ANY power to change what the guy yelling at you is complaining about? So yeah, we all get that this stuff is not ok, but it's the absolute wrong forum because a) it's a political invasion that you're assuming is an ok thing to do, and b) it serves no purpose bringing this to sports fans attention, and anyone who applauds this invasion cares more about politics than the sanctity of the places where everyone can get a break for a while. It's essentially the equivalent of smoking at a bar and not caring if everyone else is choking on your fumes.
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Post by soflo on Aug 13, 2019 16:39:45 GMT -5
I find all this talk about what a great guy Barkley is to be a little puzzling. Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but he is supposedly living with a woman not his wife, and they have a child out of wedlock. If those statements are true, then he has serious moral flaws, and he is not really such a great guy. Him being a great guy or a bad guy isn't contingent upon your opinion of his benign lifestyle choices.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 16:40:15 GMT -5
Apparently Barkley tweeted some kind of political support for Kap and said ,"I don't care if I lose fans." One thing I LOVED about Barkley last year was his humility and his moderation of thought. I really hope this isn't the start of a bigger-than-the-game attitude. Personally, my opinion on this is that I don't care about who sits or stands because I find the pledge of allegiance to be a form of idolatry so to speak, and any pledge is, by design, an oath where you're promising the system not to think for yourself. But I also can't stand how they've pulled politics into a place where it has no business being. A sports team is like a bar - it's supposed to be a forgetting place and if you are paid BY the fans, how do you make the statement that you don't care if you lose them? I'd hate to see Barkley grow an ego. giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/13/saquon-barkley-support-colin-kaepernick-dont-care-lose-fans/I always figured he'd be alright until he asked for his second contract. Thats when Giants fans really turn on you
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 13, 2019 16:49:01 GMT -5
I find all this talk about what a great guy Barkley is to be a little puzzling. Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but he is supposedly living with a woman not his wife, and they have a child out of wedlock. If those statements are true, then he has serious moral flaws, and he is not really such a great guy. If you actually believe that is an issue LOL. I'm almost 60 and have 0 issue with it the child will be taken care of no matter what happens with the parents relationship. From what I see most young people prefer to live together then getting married.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 13, 2019 16:50:21 GMT -5
Olivier Vernon took a knee Snacks Harrison took a knee Landon Collins took a knee What do all 3 of those players have in common in 2019? Not on the Giants. And they all get a ton more money then their worth except maybe Snacks.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 13, 2019 16:52:56 GMT -5
Olivier Vernon took a knee Snacks Harrison took a knee Landon Collins took a knee What do all 3 of those players have in common in 2019? Not on the Giants. And they all get a ton more money then their worth except maybe Snacks. Right, but not on the Giants. I do think Mara has a stern policy on this while playing for the NYG. I dont think this will be an issue however.
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Post by Nite on Aug 13, 2019 16:54:20 GMT -5
The over/under on the thread pages.......
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Post by soflo on Aug 13, 2019 17:00:15 GMT -5
Any proof for your case? The only thing I see is a bunch of disrespectful punks disrespecting the men and women who put their lives on the line each and every day for them. So ill take that as a no..... And if anyone questions policing policies that makes them disrespectful punks, not just concerned citizens?? The problem with the kap issue is that it's not really a one-sided deal and what happens between people of color and the cops is usually in a gray area and the media is more likely to report the instances where the gray area doesn't exist, or sometimes twist the gray area into something which essentially feeds the victim consciousness narrative. Every see that video where the guy is walking his doberman near a crime scene, and the police wind up shooting the dog after guy starts filming them and shouting stuff at the cops? Some people will look at that and say there the cops go again. Can't wait to pull the trigger. And they killed a beloved dog. But if you add context within definition of the law, the guy was basically committing police endangerment by the act of inciting a riot or violence. The fact is, the police act stupid because people act stupid.
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Post by EliDaGoat713 on Aug 13, 2019 17:00:49 GMT -5
The statistics don't fit his stance. In what other countries do black people get choked to death for selling cigarettes while a white man gets handcuffed after killing more than 20 at a Walmart? That's not an accurate account of what happened there.
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Post by soflo on Aug 13, 2019 17:03:09 GMT -5
Can't we lock this thread yet? LOL, sorry, didn't mean to start a fire. It probably should be locked if it strays too much from the topic of Saquon, but I don't think it's gotten ugly by any means.
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Post by Kase1 on Aug 13, 2019 17:06:38 GMT -5
He may be yesterdays news, but racial inequality and excessive force used against people of color IS NOT Sure, that's fine. I doubt anyone would disagree. But here's the thing. Although YOU may want to hear as much of it as humanly possible, not everyone does. So, if you're more obsessed with that kind of thing, you have the option of watching the 24 hour news cycle. I think you'd be poisoning your brain, but it's your right to consume that if you choose. Sports fans, on the other hand, who want nothing more than to get away from the nonsense in the world, do not have that option if it's invaded by the politically polarized nutters of this world. Imagine you're some ordinary schmuck (hell, I don't even HAVE to imagine), and your life sucks, or you're job sucks, or you're boss is a total douche, you get no respect in life, or your kid's hooked opioids, or suicidal, or your marriage is failing, or whatever...and all you want to do is sit down for a couple of hours and watch a stupid game so you don't have to think about any of this crap. Now imagine some dude jumps out of the television and starts telling you...no YELLING AT YOU... about all of HIS problems. If you're that guy, were you looking to hear any of this when you turned on the tv? Better yet, if you're that guy, do you have ANY power to change what the guy yelling at you is complaining about? So yeah, we all get that this stuff is not ok, but it's the absolute wrong forum because a) it's a political invasion that you're assuming is an ok thing to do, and b) it serves no purpose bringing this to sports fans attention and anyone who applauds this invasion cares more about politics than the sanctity of the place where everyone can get a break for a while. It's essentially the equivalent of smoking at a bar and not caring if everyone else is choking on your fumes. Honestly I wish that I NEVER hear about it again, because the issue has been taken care of. Sadly, that is not the current state of the world we are living in. I get it, people dont want to hear about it. BUT this country protects free speech so if someone wants to tell us how they feel about ketchup on a hot dog, their favorite car, or racial inequality, they are allowed to. And unless the NFL puts a gag order on their players, the players can say whatever they want in their interviews or on social media. You claim its the wrong forum, but whats the RIGHT forum??? I get it, when you want to watch football all you want to do is watch football or any sport for that matter, but its not going on during games, its going on outside of the games, in interviews or on their own time. As for the purpose it brings is bringing the issue to light, that otherwise would be such an issue if an electrician or doctor did it, they dont have the same audience or platform You should be more upset with the issue at hand, not that someone is mentioning it....
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Post by SemperFi on Aug 13, 2019 17:07:56 GMT -5
I find all this talk about what a great guy Barkley is to be a little puzzling. Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but he is supposedly living with a woman not his wife, and they have a child out of wedlock. If those statements are true, then he has serious moral flaws, and he is not really such a great guy. NO! He's a human, living in today's world. You, and those who think as you do are reactionary, and just look to spew your intolerant ignorance. He does no harm. Why be so fxxking petty?
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Post by Kase1 on Aug 13, 2019 17:12:41 GMT -5
So ill take that as a no..... And if anyone questions policing policies that makes them disrespectful punks, not just concerned citizens?? The problem with the kap issue is that it's not really a one-sided deal and what happens between people of color and the cops is usually in a gray area and the media is more likely to report the instances where the gray area doesn't exist, or sometimes twist the gray area into something which essentially feeds the victim consciousness narrative. Every see that video where the guy is walking his doberman near a crime scene, and the police wind up shooting the dog after guy starts filming them and shouting stuff at the cops? Some people will look at that and say there the cops go again. Can't wait to pull the trigger. And they killed a beloved dog. But if you add context within definition of the law, the guy was basically committing police endangerment by the act of inciting a riot or violence. The fact is, the police act stupid because people act stupid. What does this have to do with people questioning policing policies and people being called 'disrespectful punks' when they are concerned with over zealous tactics. Police acting stupid because people act stupid is the chicken and the egg theory
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Post by magilla on Aug 13, 2019 17:13:36 GMT -5
Apparently Barkley tweeted some kind of political support for Kap and said ,"I don't care if I lose fans." One thing I LOVED about Barkley last year was his humility and his moderation of thought. I really hope this isn't the start of a bigger-than-the-game attitude. Personally, my opinion on this is that I don't care about who sits or stands because I find the pledge of allegiance to be a form of idolatry so to speak, and any pledge is, by design, an oath where you're promising the system not to think for yourself. But I also can't stand how they've pulled politics into a place where it has no business being. A sports team is like a bar - it's supposed to be a forgetting place and if you are paid BY the fans, how do you make the statement that you don't care if you lose them? I'd hate to see Barkley grow an ego. giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/13/saquon-barkley-support-colin-kaepernick-dont-care-lose-fans/Good. I support Colin Kapernick too.
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Post by magilla on Aug 13, 2019 17:17:23 GMT -5
Kap will never play football again. He has unrealistic salary demand for his skills. That is because he wants to be a victim. He stays more relevant being a victim than he does being buried on a teams roster as a backup. CK1 is anything but a victim and he has never once attempted to represent himself as a victim to the public.
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Post by soflo on Aug 13, 2019 17:17:40 GMT -5
Sure, that's fine. I doubt anyone would disagree. But here's the thing. Although YOU may want to hear as much of it as humanly possible, not everyone does. So, if you're more obsessed with that kind of thing, you have the option of watching the 24 hour news cycle. I think you'd be poisoning your brain, but it's your right to consume that if you choose. Sports fans, on the other hand, who want nothing more than to get away from the nonsense in the world, do not have that option if it's invaded by the politically polarized nutters of this world. Imagine you're some ordinary schmuck (hell, I don't even HAVE to imagine), and your life sucks, or you're job sucks, or you're boss is a total douche, you get no respect in life, or your kid's hooked opioids, or suicidal, or your marriage is failing, or whatever...and all you want to do is sit down for a couple of hours and watch a stupid game so you don't have to think about any of this crap. Now imagine some dude jumps out of the television and starts telling you...no YELLING AT YOU... about all of HIS problems. If you're that guy, were you looking to hear any of this when you turned on the tv? Better yet, if you're that guy, do you have ANY power to change what the guy yelling at you is complaining about? So yeah, we all get that this stuff is not ok, but it's the absolute wrong forum because a) it's a political invasion that you're assuming is an ok thing to do, and b) it serves no purpose bringing this to sports fans attention and anyone who applauds this invasion cares more about politics than the sanctity of the place where everyone can get a break for a while. It's essentially the equivalent of smoking at a bar and not caring if everyone else is choking on your fumes. Honestly I wish that I NEVER hear about it again, because the issue has been taken care of. Sadly, that is not the current state of the world we are living in. I get it, people dont want to hear about it. BUT this country protects free speech so if someone wants to tell us how they feel about ketchup on a hot dog, their favorite car, or racial inequality, they are allowed to. And unless the NFL puts a gag order on their players, the players can say whatever they want in their interviews or on social media. You claim its the wrong forum, but whats the RIGHT forum??? I get it, when you want to watch football all you want to do is watch football or any sport for that matter, but its not going on during games, its going on outside of the games, in interviews or on their own time. As for the purpose it brings is bringing the issue to light, that otherwise would be such an issue if an electrician or doctor did it, they dont have the same audience or platform You should be more upset with the issue at hand, not that someone is mentioning it.... But DOES this country protect freedom of speech? And to what extent? If I signed up on this board as a Cowboys troll and started thread after thread about how much Daniel Jones is going to be a bust, I would eventually have my freedom of speech extinguished by being BANNED. Just because I wanted to be a dick doesn't mean others have to put up with it. It's legally within their power to tune me out if the determination is made that I'm abusing my freedom of speech. So if that rule applies on message boards everyone, and moderators reserve the right to ensure that it's members aren't being angered by someone with a single minded purpose to upset the community, why does this same concept not apply to fans who pay owners to WATCH FOOTBALL AND ONLY WATCH FOOTBALL? "Using their platform to bring an issue to light" is an example of abusing that platform. And that is what people don't appreciate But how is kneeling during the national anthem not an example of this going on during games? And how are the interviews that occur outside of games not part of the in-game packaging when they show these interviews on pregame and anywhere football fans have an eye and an ear? What I should be upset about is my own business. It isn't subject to anyone else's judgement. And it's not a matter of whether or not I find it upsetting, but whether or not I actually see the objective reality in the same way you do. Because if people can look at the objective reality and have a different interpretation of it, then there isn't much that anyone should be telling anyone about anything.
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Post by magilla on Aug 13, 2019 17:20:07 GMT -5
Kap will never play football again. He has unrealistic salary demand for his skills. That is because he wants to be a victim. He stays more relevant being a victim than he does being buried on a teams roster as a backup. Like so many athletes Kap has not come to grips that he’s not that good. Is Hakeem Nicks putting a time chart on his twitter page of the last time he was employed by the league? Of course not, he’s not a jerkoff who feels he’s entitled to play in the league. Marvin Austin is looking for work. Should he sue the league because he sucks? CK1 brought a lawsuit because he felt there was collusion against him. Apparently, lawyers representing NFL advised their client to settle. www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-02-15/colin-kaepernick-settles-blacklisting-lawsuit-against-nfl
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Post by TEM on Aug 13, 2019 17:30:47 GMT -5
Kap will never play football again. He has unrealistic salary demand for his skills. That is because he wants to be a victim. He stays more relevant being a victim than he does being buried on a teams roster as a backup. CK1 is anything but a victim and he has never once attempted to represent himself as a victim to the public. Then why did he bring a case against the NFL for conspiring against him to keep him out of the league ? The case flopped . That sounds like victim-ism to me. Add the fact he brought the case against the league after he opted out of his contract with the 49ers and turned down the Denver contract. It quacks it is a duck.
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