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Post by Kruunch on Aug 14, 2019 10:16:21 GMT -5
If I knew that answer I would be working for the NFL committee. It was a logic question....if you could answer it you would likely be unwelcome on the NFL committee. Logic and the NFL go together like peanut butter and salmon. |
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 10:18:14 GMT -5
They care. Do you really think no one cares if they lose? You think Bill is like "oh shucks it was our 4th stringer it's ok we lost"? Do you not think Tom Brady would jump for joy if his 4th back up threw a TD pass to win the game in the 4th? You might not care about it but teams don't want to lose...ever.
I dont think it has ANY ramifications in the regular season, no. That wasn't my question. My question is whether you think the teams want to win. We both know the answer is yes without a doubt.
Fair enough. But I will never think preseason Ws and Ls matter, at all, in the regular season. Not even for team psyche. The stats say other wise but that is fine. We can agree to disagree. |
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 14, 2019 10:20:11 GMT -5
I always thought not so much the games but the activities during pre-season and coming together as a cohesive TEAM sharing one goal was important...in terms of building team chemistry pre-season is essential
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 10:21:33 GMT -5
I dont think it has ANY ramifications in the regular season, no. That wasn't my question. My question is whether you think the teams want to win. We both know the answer is yes without a doubt.
Ok, but that wasnt the original discussion where I chimed in. Want to win? Sure. I can go with that. Does it matter? No, it doesnt. |
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Post by jmike on Aug 14, 2019 10:25:41 GMT -5
It was a logic question....if you could answer it you would likely be unwelcome on the NFL committee. Logic and the NFL go together like peanut butter and salmon. LOL |
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 14, 2019 10:39:29 GMT -5
I haven't read all this, but here's my 2 cents on preseason games.
In 1972 we went 8-6 under Alex Webster, and there seemed to be hope for improvement and a good 1973.
1973 preseason we were 6-0. The fan base was pumped.
We went 2 - 11 - 1 in regular season.
Never did I understand better than ever that preseason meant nothing.
It is for evaluating depth and rookies. It is to give the guys some real game experience together. It is for testing offensive plays and defensive formations... how did they work against the opponents formations? But, when starters are in there for less than a quarter, don't count on it to provide chemistry, timing, or camaraderie.
Winning should never be a goal in a preseason game... some game time experience and evaluating players and plays should be the goal.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 10:46:17 GMT -5
I haven't read all this, but here's my 2 cents on preseason games. In 1972 we went 8-6 under Alex Webster, and there seemed to be hope for improvement and a good 1973. 1973 preseason we were 6-0. The fan base was pumped. We went 2 - 11 - 1 in regular season. Never did I understand better than ever that preseason meant nothing. It is for evaluating depth and rookies. It is to give the guys some real game experience together. It is for testing offensive plays and defensive formations... how did they work against the opponents formations? But, when starters are in there for less than a quarter, don't count on it to provide chemistry, timing, or camaraderie. Winning should never be a goal in a preseason game... some game time experience and evaluating players and plays should be the goal. Agreed. Leave it to the Jets to want preseason Ws. Not the Giants. |
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 14, 2019 10:59:13 GMT -5
I haven't read all this, but here's my 2 cents on preseason games. In 1972 we went 8-6 under Alex Webster, and there seemed to be hope for improvement and a good 1973. 1973 preseason we were 6-0. The fan base was pumped. We went 2 - 11 - 1 in regular season. Never did I understand better than ever that preseason meant nothing. It is for evaluating depth and rookies. It is to give the guys some real game experience together. It is for testing offensive plays and defensive formations... how did they work against the opponents formations? But, when starters are in there for less than a quarter, don't count on it to provide chemistry, timing, or camaraderie. Winning should never be a goal in a preseason game... some game time experience and evaluating players and plays should be the goal. Agreed. Leave it to the Jets to want preseason Ws. Not the Giants. Back then, in the early 70's, those preseason wins were important, especially to the coach. In the movie 'Invincible', it showed the owner, Leonard Tose, was very angry that the Eagles went 0-6 in Vermeil's first preseason. Owners don't care any more. Winning every preseason game doesn't add a thing to your regular season record. But, it was very different back then... players used preseason camp and preseason games to get in shape. Now? If they don't arrive to camp in shape they will lose their job. This will give you an idea of how important preseason games were back then. After the Jets won the SB in January 1970, they played against the Giants in preseason 1970 for the first time in history. Both teams played their starters for the entire game... to the final whistle. |
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 14, 2019 11:16:33 GMT -5
I haven't read all this, but here's my 2 cents on preseason games. In 1972 we went 8-6 under Alex Webster, and there seemed to be hope for improvement and a good 1973. 1973 preseason we were 6-0. The fan base was pumped. We went 2 - 11 - 1 in regular season. Never did I understand better than ever that preseason meant nothing. It is for evaluating depth and rookies. It is to give the guys some real game experience together. It is for testing offensive plays and defensive formations... how did they work against the opponents formations? But, when starters are in there for less than a quarter, don't count on it to provide chemistry, timing, or camaraderie. Winning should never be a goal in a preseason game... some game time experience and evaluating players and plays should be the goal. LOL, I remember that year very well !  In that game at the Yale Bowl they had the biggest fan fights EVER in NFL history. There were literally dozens of guys in green and blue shirts pounding on each other. It wiped out several thousand people from their seats as guys cascaded down the bench seats, from the top of the Bowl, all the way down to field level seats,. It was so crazy that the players on the field were watching the fights as they walked slowly to the huddle for the next play. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 14, 2019 11:25:22 GMT -5
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Post by mikethenygfan on Aug 14, 2019 11:54:49 GMT -5
Pre season is very specific about what to take from it and what not to take form it. Those who say its meaningless or worthless are 100% wrong. So every NFL veteran is wrong then. Because if you ask them they can’t stand preseason games. It’s more for rookies and undrafted free agents. NFL veterans are more worried about getting injured and there money doesnt mean its not good for the team. |
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 12:03:12 GMT -5
Ok, but that wasnt the original discussion where I chimed in. Want to win? Sure. I can go with that. Does it matter? No, it doesnt. I guess "does it matter" can be taken different ways. It certainly matters to the players and coaches on the field. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 17:02:36 GMT -5
It matters how the first team looks imo. you look bad you will likely start the season bad. win or loss doesn't matter much (though could be good for moral i agree) I could care less if we lost all games, but the first team was looking sharp on both sides of the ball ,im good with that.
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