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Post by Bigjeep on Aug 14, 2019 7:04:27 GMT -5
John Mara understands there is great unrest when it comes to the state of the Giants and the ability of general manager Dave Gettleman to lift the franchise out of its recent losing ways. As the co-owner of the team, Mara gets it. He just does not agree with you. “I think the best thing for me about Dave is he makes decisions he feels are in the best interest of the franchise and he doesn’t give a damn what people think about it, be it the media or be it fans or anybody,’’ Mara said Tuesday. “He has the courage of his convictions and you have to have that. He set about to try and rebuild this team and change the culture a bit in the locker room. I think our last two draft classes are pretty strong and that’s what gives me confidence moving forward. I think we’re moving in the right direction. “Until we start winning games, it’s hard to sell people on that notion. But it’s what I believe.’’ Under Gettleman’s direction, the Giants traded away Damon “Snacks’’ Harrison and Eli Apple during the 2018 season and later shipped out Olivier Vernon to the Browns. Gettleman did not value Landon Collins as a difference-making safety, did not offer him a deal or put the franchise tag on him and watched as Collins signed with the rival Redskins. In the most controversial move of all thus far, Gettleman, after stating he “did not sign Odell to trade him,’’ did just that, sending Odell Beckham Jr. to the Browns for two draft picks (Nos. 17 and 95) and safety Jabrill Peppers. It was enough to label Gettleman in league circles as out of touch or incapable of dealing with disparate personalities on his roster. “I wouldn’t say there was never any doubt in Dave’s ability or in what is motivation was or what his skill level was,’’ Mara said. “You don’t like to see all that talent go out the door, but let’s face it, we’ve had one winning season, in ’16. The other five or six years have not been so good since we won the last Super Bowl. So we needed some drastic changes and he had the courage of his convictions. He knew they’d be unpopular moves, but he went and made them anyway.’’ Mara thus far likes what he sees with this year’s team, but that optimism can fade when the season starts and losses mount. “I’m not very patient, I take the losses pretty hard but I understand you got to make decisions that are in the best interest of your team in the long run and not worry about the short term,’’ Mara said. “It doesn’t make it any easier when you’re losing these games. I understand what he’s doing and I think he’s headed in the right direction.’’ nypost.com/2019/08/13/john-mara-explains-why-dave-gettleman-is-the-giants-answer/
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 14, 2019 7:14:22 GMT -5
“I think the best thing for me about Dave is he makes decisions he feels are in the best interest of the franchise and he doesn’t give a damn what people think about it, be it the media or be it fans or anybody,’’ Mara said Tuesday. “He has the courage of his convictions and you have to have that. He set about to try and rebuild this team and change the culture a bit in the locker room. I think our last two draft classes are pretty strong and that’s what gives me confidence moving forward. I think we’re moving in the right direction.
“Until we start winning games, it’s hard to sell people on that notion. But it’s what I believe.’’
I'm sure someone will complain because people don't like John Mara but this is 100% spot on from start to finish.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 14, 2019 7:48:12 GMT -5
“I wouldn’t say there was never any doubt in Dave’s ability or in what is motivation was or what his skill level was.’’
Kind of a weird statement - Is he saying he has had doubts about DGs ability or motivation or skill?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 14, 2019 8:01:48 GMT -5
“I think the best thing for me about Dave is he makes decisions he feels are in the best interest of the franchise and he doesn’t give a damn what people think about it, be it the media or be it fans or anybody,’’ Mara said Tuesday. “He has the courage of his convictions and you have to have that. He set about to try and rebuild this team and change the culture a bit in the locker room. I think our last two draft classes are pretty strong and that’s what gives me confidence moving forward. I think we’re moving in the right direction. “Until we start winning games, it’s hard to sell people on that notion. But it’s what I believe.’’ I'm sure someone will complain because people don't like John Mara but this is 100% spot on from start to finish. People can ***** and moan about Gettlemen all they want. Last year was refreshing to see no quit and actually excitement and joy when they did started to win a few games even at 2-7, they wanted those wins. Just as important you could see the disappointment and pain after several close games lost in the final minute or seconds. Chemistry matters the team did not quit and resort to what they used to do start going through the motions the first sign of trouble, it took guts for the old man to send stars away in trades and let others walk and out right cut some it set an example no one is above the team no one will take shots at teammates coaches or the franchise in the media it was the right message to a team they was in need of leadership from the top to ground it. I'm sure the door is open for in house gripes just keep it there.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 14, 2019 8:08:44 GMT -5
“ I think the best thing for me about Dave is he makes decisions he feels are in the best interest of the franchise and he doesn’t give a damn what people think about it, be it the media or be it fans or anybody,’’ Mara said Tuesday. “He has the courage of his convictions and you have to have that. He set about to try and rebuild this team and change the culture a bit in the locker room. I think our last two draft classes are pretty strong and that’s what gives me confidence moving forward. I think we’re moving in the right direction. “Until we start winning games, it’s hard to sell people on that notion. But it’s what I believe.’’ I'm sure someone will complain because people don't like John Mara but this is 100% spot on from start to finish. Every GM in the NFL feels the same way. You think Jerry Reese cared what anyone thought about his decisions? Isn’t that why he got so defensive when asked about the offensive line few years back? You’re basically crediting Gettleman with something that is a requirement at being a GM in this league. And how do you know we’re moving forward in the right direction? You’re basing this off what? A 5-11 record his first year gave you that? You’re basing it off gut feeling and hope, two combinations that leave very little to offer. And Mara did this a few years back with Reese, when everyone wanted him fired. Mara made a statement of support for Reese. No one knows if Gettleman was the right choice, not even the man who hired him. Another 5-11 season or worse will start to question that idea.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 14, 2019 8:30:50 GMT -5
“ I think the best thing for me about Dave is he makes decisions he feels are in the best interest of the franchise and he doesn’t give a damn what people think about it, be it the media or be it fans or anybody,’’ Mara said Tuesday. “He has the courage of his convictions and you have to have that. He set about to try and rebuild this team and change the culture a bit in the locker room. I think our last two draft classes are pretty strong and that’s what gives me confidence moving forward. I think we’re moving in the right direction. “Until we start winning games, it’s hard to sell people on that notion. But it’s what I believe.’’ I'm sure someone will complain because people don't like John Mara but this is 100% spot on from start to finish. Every GM in the NFL feels the same way. You think Jerry Reese cared what anyone thought about his decisions? Isn’t that why he got so defensive when asked about the offensive line few years back? You’re basically crediting Gettleman with something that is a requirement at being a GM in this league. And how do you know we’re moving forward in the right direction? You’re basing this off what? A 5-11 record his first year gave you that? You’re basing it off gut feeling and hope, two combinations that leave very little to offer. And Mara did this a few years back with Reese, when everyone wanted him fired. Mara made a statement of support for Reese. No one knows if Gettleman was the right choice, not even the man who hired him. Another 5-11 season or worse will start to question that idea. I think that unfortunately, a GM can appear to look like a talent genius when he brings in skill set players like receivers, rather than the more bland linemen. We see this right here on these boards, when posters keep asking who will accumulate the stats. But many know the importance of solidifying the lines first, and then working back to the other positions afterward. What Gettleman is doing isn't revolutionary, and yes should be a requirement of a competent GM - but he's not letting fan instant gratification or ignorance cloud his judgement.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 8:32:31 GMT -5
Winning cures all. IF we dont win more than we lose the next 2-3-4 years, the revolving door is still open. New HC, new GM ect... And Mara was wrong. Only time will tell.
I dont see OBJ as his biggest move though. I see him drafting DJ as his biggest move. It all depends on that pick. If he is right, 90% of people have to eat their hats and admit DG was a genius. If he was wrong, he is going to get slaughtered for making such an unpopular pick and setting the franchise back 5 years at least.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 14, 2019 8:34:15 GMT -5
DG was brought into the org for two main reasons..
1.....find the next franchise QB 2.....get this team back on track and become competitive again
He is trying to do this and until these two items can be checked off as a success the story will continue.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 14, 2019 8:36:55 GMT -5
Winning cures all. IF we dont win more than we lose the next 2-3-4 years, the revolving door is still open. New HC, new GM ect... And Mara was wrong. Only time will tell. I dont see OBJ as his biggest move though. I see him drafting DJ as his biggest move. It all depends on that pick. If he is right, 90% of people have to eat their hats and admit DG was a genius. If he was wrong, he is going to get slaughtered for making such an unpopular pick and setting the franchise back 5 years at least. whats funny about selecting a QB high in round 1 is any GM who does this is putting his job/rep on the line. Same issue in Arizona. Murray of course is a more "respected" pick but if this kid busts then their GM is a bust too.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 14, 2019 8:40:52 GMT -5
Winning cures all. IF we dont win more than we lose the next 2-3-4 years, the revolving door is still open. New HC, new GM ect... And Mara was wrong. Only time will tell. I dont see OBJ as his biggest move though. I see him drafting DJ as his biggest move. It all depends on that pick. If he is right, 90% of people have to eat their hats and admit DG was a genius. If he was wrong, he is going to get slaughtered for making such an unpopular pick and setting the franchise back 5 years at least. Isn’t that obvious? A 1st round QB drafted in the top 10 as his biggest move. Jones will be Gettlemans legacy good or bad. If good he will be remembered as the man who helped bring the Giants back to glory. If bad he won’t be able to purchase a stick of gum in the Tri state area.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 8:41:08 GMT -5
People can ***** and moan about Gettlemen all they want. Last year was refreshing to see no quit and actually excitement and joy when they did started to win a few games even at 2-7, they wanted those wins. Just as important you could see the disappointment and pain after several close games lost in the final minute or seconds. Chemistry matters the team did not quit and resort to what they used to do start going through the motions the first sign of trouble, it took guts for the old man to send stars away in trades and let others walk and out right cut some it set an example no one is above the team no one will take shots at teammates coaches or the franchise in the media it was the right message to a team they was in need of leadership from the top to ground it. I'm sure the door is open for in house gripes just keep it there. I keep seeing people make this claim and I have to ask. Do you only watch the offense? More than a few players on that defense quit with Riley finally getting bench after it was too late.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 8:41:47 GMT -5
Winning cures all. IF we dont win more than we lose the next 2-3-4 years, the revolving door is still open. New HC, new GM ect... And Mara was wrong. Only time will tell. I dont see OBJ as his biggest move though. I see him drafting DJ as his biggest move. It all depends on that pick. If he is right, 90% of people have to eat their hats and admit DG was a genius. If he was wrong, he is going to get slaughtered for making such an unpopular pick and setting the franchise back 5 years at least. whats funny about selecting a QB high in round 1 is any GM who does this is putting his job/rep on the line. Same issue in Arizona. Murray of course is a more "respected" pick but if this kid busts then their GM is a bust too. Absolutely, but you have to admit, if he drafted Haskins, the fire would be less hot. People expected Haskins to be an early pick. Its like, if Andrew Luck flamed out, can you really blame the GM? Luck looked like a lock. As for DJ, it was a huge gamble more than unusual due to the projection and perception of DJ. Doesnt mean he is wrong, but when you make an unpopular QB pick ealy in the draft, like a Christian Ponder who no one thought would be good, and he flames out, then it is all on you for making a stupid pick when everyone else said it was dumb. But if its a highly thought of QB, like Luck, and it doesnt work, then everyone has egg on their face. The DJ pick was like the Ponder pick. A totally unpopular pick where no one (outside of FBomb) really thought much of him.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 8:43:02 GMT -5
Winning cures all. IF we dont win more than we lose the next 2-3-4 years, the revolving door is still open. New HC, new GM ect... And Mara was wrong. Only time will tell. I dont see OBJ as his biggest move though. I see him drafting DJ as his biggest move. It all depends on that pick. If he is right, 90% of people have to eat their hats and admit DG was a genius. If he was wrong, he is going to get slaughtered for making such an unpopular pick and setting the franchise back 5 years at least. Isn’t that obvious? A 1st round QB drafted in the top 10 as his biggest move. Jones will be Gettlemans legacy good or bad. If good he will be remembered as the man who helped bring the Giants back to glory. If bad he won’t be able to purchase a stick of gum in the Tri state area. Well, the article said it was the OBJ trade. Also, he had the #2 pick last year too and decided RB over QB, so that was a HUGE decision too, more important than trading OBJ.
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Aug 14, 2019 8:44:53 GMT -5
It isn’t a popularity contest. If in the next year or two we start winning it won’t matter if he is the most hated gm in the league
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 8:45:29 GMT -5
People can ***** and moan about Gettlemen all they want. Last year was refreshing to see no quit and actually excitement and joy when they did started to win a few games even at 2-7, they wanted those wins. Just as important you could see the disappointment and pain after several close games lost in the final minute or seconds. Chemistry matters the team did not quit and resort to what they used to do start going through the motions the first sign of trouble, it took guts for the old man to send stars away in trades and let others walk and out right cut some it set an example no one is above the team no one will take shots at teammates coaches or the franchise in the media it was the right message to a team they was in need of leadership from the top to ground it. I'm sure the door is open for in house gripes just keep it there. I keep seeing people make this claim and I have to ask. Do you only watch the offense? More than a few players on that defense quit with Riley finally getting bench after it was too late. Yup. Agreed. Defense quit big time. Also, the offense looked great against some bad defenses and teams that had nothing to play for. It was basically like garbage yards at the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 8:46:20 GMT -5
Still don't see how these past two drafts can be called "strong". So many people are praising these drafts as if most of the players are performing at all pro levels and the reality is only one has who was taken 2nd.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 14, 2019 8:50:24 GMT -5
Isn’t that obvious? A 1st round QB drafted in the top 10 as his biggest move. Jones will be Gettlemans legacy good or bad. If good he will be remembered as the man who helped bring the Giants back to glory. If bad he won’t be able to purchase a stick of gum in the Tri state area. Well, the article said it was the OBJ trade. Also, he had the #2 pick last year too and decided RB over QB, so that was a HUGE decision too, more important than trading OBJ. Good point on Barkley. A QB heavy draft and he goes with the running back, that will always be met with questions. If only Barkley played defensive end or another position of importance. Unfortunately he plays a position that has been proven time and time again that is the least valuable position in football. Look at last year. Barkley was phenomenal, running the ball, catching out of the backfield. Rookie of the year award, pro bowl. But yet, we still were 5-11. Barry Sanders is arguably the best running back in NFL history. How many playoff games did the Lions win in his career? 1 game..
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Post by bluejayc on Aug 14, 2019 8:53:33 GMT -5
“ I think the best thing for me about Dave is he makes decisions he feels are in the best interest of the franchise and he doesn’t give a damn what people think about it, be it the media or be it fans or anybody,’’ Mara said Tuesday. “He has the courage of his convictions and you have to have that. He set about to try and rebuild this team and change the culture a bit in the locker room. I think our last two draft classes are pretty strong and that’s what gives me confidence moving forward. I think we’re moving in the right direction. “Until we start winning games, it’s hard to sell people on that notion. But it’s what I believe.’’ I'm sure someone will complain because people don't like John Mara but this is 100% spot on from start to finish. Every GM in the NFL feels the same way. You think Jerry Reese cared what anyone thought about his decisions? Isn’t that why he got so defensive when asked about the offensive line few years back? You’re basically crediting Gettleman with something that is a requirement at being a GM in this league. And how do you know we’re moving forward in the right direction? You’re basing this off what? A 5-11 record his first year gave you that? You’re basing it off gut feeling and hope, two combinations that leave very little to offer. And Mara did this a few years back with Reese, when everyone wanted him fired. Mara made a statement of support for Reese. No one knows if Gettleman was the right choice, not even the man who hired him. Another 5-11 season or worse will start to question that idea. Towards the end yea I really think he did.....sadly. Just my opinion. Rash FA moves to simply save his job....definitely not to make the franchise better....as a matter of fact the contracts he signed were a detriment to the team more than anything. It was to get better for one year only.....not the long haul. We overpaid pretty much every free agent acquisition but I get that you have to do that in this day and age to get the perceived top end talent.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 8:54:51 GMT -5
Well, the article said it was the OBJ trade. Also, he had the #2 pick last year too and decided RB over QB, so that was a HUGE decision too, more important than trading OBJ. Good point on Barkley. A QB heavy draft and he goes with the running back, that will always be met with questions. If only Barkley played defensive end or another position of importance. Unfortunately he plays a position that has been proven time and time again that is the least valuable position in football. Look at last year. Barkley was phenomenal, running the ball, catching out of the backfield. Rookie of the year award, pro bowl. But yet, we still were 5-11. Barry Sanders is arguably the best running back in NFL history. How many playoff games did the Lions win in his career? 1 game.. Barkley is a game changer, but only if he has a great QB or a dominant defense as well will he start winning games. But a great QB or dominant defense doesnt need a great RB to win games.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 14, 2019 9:01:51 GMT -5
whats funny about selecting a QB high in round 1 is any GM who does this is putting his job/rep on the line. Same issue in Arizona. Murray of course is a more "respected" pick but if this kid busts then their GM is a bust too. Absolutely, but you have to admit, if he drafted Haskins, the fire would be less hot. People expected Haskins to be an early pick. Its like, if Andrew Luck flamed out, can you really blame the GM? Luck looked like a lock. As for DJ, it was a huge gamble more than unusual due to the projection and perception of DJ. Doesnt mean he is wrong, but when you make an unpopular QB pick ealy in the draft, like a Christian Ponder who no one thought would be good, and he flames out, then it is all on you for making a stupid pick when everyone else said it was dumb. But if its a highly thought of QB, like Luck, and it doesnt work, then everyone has egg on their face. The DJ pick was like the Ponder pick. A totally unpopular pick where no one (outside of FBomb) really thought much of him. I get that but no QB in this draft or 2018 draft was on the level of Andrew Luck as far as potential franchise QB is concerned. Even more to your point is how much DG and Shurmur believe Jones is the right guy. I was surprised at the pick (and I admit since I am not a college football junkie) and was like...."Daniel who?" These guys are risking way too much for them not have solid reasons behind their choice. With that said so far its better than some may have envisioned. At least they have that.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 9:05:28 GMT -5
Absolutely, but you have to admit, if he drafted Haskins, the fire would be less hot. People expected Haskins to be an early pick. Its like, if Andrew Luck flamed out, can you really blame the GM? Luck looked like a lock. As for DJ, it was a huge gamble more than unusual due to the projection and perception of DJ. Doesnt mean he is wrong, but when you make an unpopular QB pick ealy in the draft, like a Christian Ponder who no one thought would be good, and he flames out, then it is all on you for making a stupid pick when everyone else said it was dumb. But if its a highly thought of QB, like Luck, and it doesnt work, then everyone has egg on their face. The DJ pick was like the Ponder pick. A totally unpopular pick where no one (outside of FBomb) really thought much of him. I get that but no QB in this draft or 2018 draft was on the level of Andrew Luck as far as potential franchise QB is concerned. Even more to your point is how much DG and Shurmur believe Jones is the right guy. I was surprised at the pick (and I admit since I am not a college football junkie) and was like...."Daniel who?" These guys are risking way too much for them not have solid reasons behind their choice. With that said so far its better than some may have envisioned. At least they have that. Right, not Andrew Luck, but everyone would be less shocked if the Giants took Darnold or Rosen or Allen or Baker with that pick last year. It would probably get an A move. Those 4 were expected to be top 10 picks. As for DJ, some didnt even see him as a 1st rounder. Thats why it was a shock. Thats why you didnt really know who he was, but more than likely knew about those other QBs last year. This is a lot bigger of a risk and reward pick. Lets hope he is rewarded for picking outside the box.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 14, 2019 9:06:55 GMT -5
Every GM in the NFL feels the same way. You think Jerry Reese cared what anyone thought about his decisions? Isn’t that why he got so defensive when asked about the offensive line few years back? You’re basically crediting Gettleman with something that is a requirement at being a GM in this league. And how do you know we’re moving forward in the right direction? You’re basing this off what? A 5-11 record his first year gave you that? You’re basing it off gut feeling and hope, two combinations that leave very little to offer. And Mara did this a few years back with Reese, when everyone wanted him fired. Mara made a statement of support for Reese. No one knows if Gettleman was the right choice, not even the man who hired him. Another 5-11 season or worse will start to question that idea. Towards the end yea I really think he did.....sadly. Just my opinion. Rash FA moves to simply save his job....definitely not to make the franchise better....as a matter of fact the contracts he signed were a detriment to the team more than anything. It was to get better for one year only.....not the long haul. We overpaid pretty much every free agent acquisition but I get that you have to do that in this day and age to get the perceived top end talent. I agree. At the end Reese was a guy who had his back against the wall and did anything and everything to prolong what was the inevitable. He forgot what got him into position of being a GM in this league. I’ve said this many times, JPP was a blessing and a curse for Reese. He hit a homerun with JPP, but then got arrogant and thought he could find diamonds in the ruff every year. That’s how we ended up with the James Brewers and the Ereck Flowers of the league. Good point on Barkley. A QB heavy draft and he goes with the running back, that will always be met with questions. If only Barkley played defensive end or another position of importance. Unfortunately he plays a position that has been proven time and time again that is the least valuable position in football. Look at last year. Barkley was phenomenal, running the ball, catching out of the backfield. Rookie of the year award, pro bowl. But yet, we still were 5-11. Barry Sanders is arguably the best running back in NFL history. How many playoff games did the Lions win in his career? 1 game.. Barkley is a game changer, but only if he has a great QB or a dominant defense as well will he start winning games. But a great QB or dominant defense doesnt need a great RB to win games. A great QB can mask many deficiencies on a team. A great running back is good for fantasy football. What’s odd is Gettleman took a chance at Jones at 6 this year. But last year instead of going with Darnold or the other QB’s he went with the safe pick in Barkley. Isn’t this the same guy who’s all about taking chances??
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 9:10:41 GMT -5
Barkley is a game changer, but only if he has a great QB or a dominant defense as well will he start winning games. But a great QB or dominant defense doesnt need a great RB to win games. A great QB can mask many deficiencies on a team. A great running back is good for fantasy football. What’s odd is Gettleman took a chance at Jones at 6 this year. But last year instead of going with Darnold or the other QB’s he went with the safe pick in Barkley. Isn’t this the same guy who’s all about taking chances?? He obviously valued SQB more than Darnold, and Jones more than Haskins or any QB next year. Doesnt mean he thought Jones was a better QB prospect than Jones however. By the way, the safe A+ pick this year was Josh Allen. And we needed a pass rusher.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 14, 2019 9:18:42 GMT -5
“I wouldn’t say there was never any doubt in Dave’s ability or in what is motivation was or what his skill level was.’’ Kind of a weird statement - Is he saying he has had doubts about DGs ability or motivation or skill? That was the statement that jumped out at me too. Real weird
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 14, 2019 9:23:37 GMT -5
whats funny about selecting a QB high in round 1 is any GM who does this is putting his job/rep on the line. Same issue in Arizona. Murray of course is a more "respected" pick but if this kid busts then their GM is a bust too. Absolutely, but you have to admit, if he drafted Haskins, the fire would be less hot. People expected Haskins to be an early pick. Its like, if Andrew Luck flamed out, can you really blame the GM? Luck looked like a lock. As for DJ, it was a huge gamble more than unusual due to the projection and perception of DJ. Doesnt mean he is wrong, but when you make an unpopular QB pick ealy in the draft, like a Christian Ponder who no one thought would be good, and he flames out, then it is all on you for making a stupid pick when everyone else said it was dumb. But if its a highly thought of QB, like Luck, and it doesnt work, then everyone has egg on their face. The DJ pick was like the Ponder pick. A totally unpopular pick where no one (outside of FBomb) really thought much of him. Your last statement isn’t true at all.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 14, 2019 9:29:31 GMT -5
People can ***** and moan about Gettlemen all they want. Last year was refreshing to see no quit and actually excitement and joy when they did started to win a few games even at 2-7, they wanted those wins. Just as important you could see the disappointment and pain after several close games lost in the final minute or seconds. Chemistry matters the team did not quit and resort to what they used to do start going through the motions the first sign of trouble, it took guts for the old man to send stars away in trades and let others walk and out right cut some it set an example no one is above the team no one will take shots at teammates coaches or the franchise in the media it was the right message to a team they was in need of leadership from the top to ground it. I'm sure the door is open for in house gripes just keep it there. I keep seeing people make this claim and I have to ask. Do you only watch the offense? More than a few players on that defense quit with Riley finally getting bench after it was too late. And see what happened he got benched something new and unusual for the Giants. In a year and a half they weeded out the over paid under performing the whiners the guys who want the money but no part of leading and the under talented. Even the ones they signed were sent packing if they didn't perform when I said team I meant team no one ever said just offense. Bottom line is I been saying this for 4 years now and DG said so it made me laugh. There are fans here that want to keep the guys here that seem to underperform here. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over hoping the end result will change. If were gonna lose I'd rather do it while trying to get better with young first contract guys then paying guys or keeping guys already getting paid that made 0 difference in the won loss column.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 9:30:28 GMT -5
Absolutely, but you have to admit, if he drafted Haskins, the fire would be less hot. People expected Haskins to be an early pick. Its like, if Andrew Luck flamed out, can you really blame the GM? Luck looked like a lock. As for DJ, it was a huge gamble more than unusual due to the projection and perception of DJ. Doesnt mean he is wrong, but when you make an unpopular QB pick ealy in the draft, like a Christian Ponder who no one thought would be good, and he flames out, then it is all on you for making a stupid pick when everyone else said it was dumb. But if its a highly thought of QB, like Luck, and it doesnt work, then everyone has egg on their face. The DJ pick was like the Ponder pick. A totally unpopular pick where no one (outside of FBomb) really thought much of him. Your last statement isn’t true at all. Why not?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 14, 2019 9:37:32 GMT -5
Winning cures all. IF we dont win more than we lose the next 2-3-4 years, the revolving door is still open. New HC, new GM ect... And Mara was wrong. Only time will tell. I dont see OBJ as his biggest move though. I see him drafting DJ as his biggest move. It all depends on that pick. If he is right, 90% of people have to eat their hats and admit DG was a genius. If he was wrong, he is going to get slaughtered for making such an unpopular pick and setting the franchise back 5 years at least. All do respect this isn't the old NFL it's a set beck but no longer 5 years, look at the Cards. At this moment he is getting the last laugh Rosen who was the popular choice for a trade didn't look so hot, Haskins was a hot mess and the Cards looked like winners by admitting they screwed up, now all they need is Murray to do what he does. DG at this moment can at least say DJ showed he can play in this league and possibly at a high level.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 14, 2019 9:43:14 GMT -5
Winning cures all. IF we dont win more than we lose the next 2-3-4 years, the revolving door is still open. New HC, new GM ect... And Mara was wrong. Only time will tell. I dont see OBJ as his biggest move though. I see him drafting DJ as his biggest move. It all depends on that pick. If he is right, 90% of people have to eat their hats and admit DG was a genius. If he was wrong, he is going to get slaughtered for making such an unpopular pick and setting the franchise back 5 years at least. All do respect this isn't the old NFL it's a set beck but no longer 5 years, look at the Cards. At this moment he is getting the last laugh Rosen who was the popular choice for a trade didn't look so hot, Haskins was a hot mess and the Cards looked like winners by admitting they screwed up, now all they need is Murray to do what he does. DG at this moment can at least say DJ showed he can play in this league and possibly at a high level. Honestly.. All Jones showed that he didn't **** himself in his first game. Anything more than that is being a typical fan. Not discrediting his performance, but to say Jones can play in this league is wishful thinking at best.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 9:43:29 GMT -5
Winning cures all. IF we dont win more than we lose the next 2-3-4 years, the revolving door is still open. New HC, new GM ect... And Mara was wrong. Only time will tell. I dont see OBJ as his biggest move though. I see him drafting DJ as his biggest move. It all depends on that pick. If he is right, 90% of people have to eat their hats and admit DG was a genius. If he was wrong, he is going to get slaughtered for making such an unpopular pick and setting the franchise back 5 years at least. All do respect this isn't the old NFL it's a set beck but no longer 5 years, look at the Cards. At this moment he is getting the last laugh Rosen who was the popular choice for a trade didn't look so hot, Haskins was a hot mess and the Cards looked like winners by admitting they screwed up, now all they need is Murray to do what he does. DG at this moment can at least say DJ showed he can play in this league and possibly at a high level. #1 - The Cards havent shown they are out of the pit yet. So it could still be 5 years. Lets see them win. #2 - They fired their HC after 1 year. Lets not use the Cards as an example. I dont see them being good for a while. Are you inferring if DJ looks terrible this year, we can just draft another QB next year, trade DJ and fire Shurmer and all it good? We are out of the set back?
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