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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 15, 2019 13:01:05 GMT -5
You guys don't show Joe Morris enough love on this site. Since he appears to be the only Syracuse player that is going to pan out for us. lol
85 and 86, he was a joy to watch. Tiki, Rob Carpenter, Joe Morris. Those are my favorite backs. I liked Rodney Hampton and OJ Anderson, but those 3 got me really interested in playing football.
I have a question for the older fans. I was looking at Joe Morris vs. Joe Morrison stats. I never watched Morrison play but I hear guys talking about him. Why is he considered great? His stats didn't seem very impressive, granted, the game was a lot different and yards were harder to come by.
Morris vs. Morrison
5296 vs 2474 rushing yards
906 vs 4993 receiving
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 15, 2019 13:35:07 GMT -5
Before my time as well IIC Morrison was with us in the Tarkington years and they actually were experimenting with prototype WCO concepts (or what would be used in the WCO later on,though Walsh was with Cincy at this time and is generally regarded as the first team to use the WCO)..and he was the perfect back(and was a backfield mate of Johnson who was the traditional type)
Watching that video 1.Morris was the perfect back for the mid 80's version of the Earhert/Perkins offense,especially as the Giants base set many times was the 11,taking one guy out of the h Box and letting that o line bully teams..
Maurice Jones Drew to me was an exact clone ,power for a little guy and home run speed.
2.no Mowatt,as he missed the season with a knee injury that wouldn't be 100% till midway 1986(and we saw how that made that offense arguably the best in the league at the end of the year)
One has to wonder how good this team would have been in 1985 if we had a healthy Mowatt with a rookie Bavaro...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 15, 2019 13:46:32 GMT -5
Someone forgot a former Syracuse player with a sticky helmet....
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 15, 2019 13:48:15 GMT -5
I grew up watching Joe Morrison play he was our everything man. He was a QB out of Cincinnati, guess his natural position for us was HB. But he also played FB, WR, Flanker (slot), TE, S, CB, ran back kicks and punts. Played Special Teams. One year offense, oops someone hurt put Morrison in there. Offense or Defense. Move him not only different positions during the year but he could play HB for 4 games then they have him play S for the next 2 and then low and behold he at WR for the next 5-6 games and back to HB or FB to close out the 14 game schedule. Plus punt and kickoff return man. I believe Joe Morrison played somewhere between 8-10 years for us. Went back to college after he retired and Head Coach at Cincinnati I think. Passed away much too young.
Loved Little Joe Morris, size had nothing to do with toughness. Instrumental in our 1st SB run. Parcells loved to run that ball, especially in cold weather. I would think the length of his tenure would be the main thing holding him back. I would put him on a par with Brandon Jacobs. Maybe a rung or two higher on the ladder.
I wouldn't be upset if they gave Joe Morris that honor but don't know if I would vote for him to get in.
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Post by bluejayc on Aug 15, 2019 13:58:38 GMT -5
I think so......3rd all-time in rushing yards and the single season leader in touchdowns with 21.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 15, 2019 14:10:39 GMT -5
He was our most electrifying offensive weapon on that 86 offense. Bavarro was steady but JM was the star.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 14:26:21 GMT -5
"watch joe morris run , in superbowl 21 " i remember the jingle as a kid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 14:41:32 GMT -5
Not enough time to be in the RoH. Putting him in would equal putting Beckham in.
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Post by allnygin on Aug 15, 2019 14:47:18 GMT -5
Those rushing highlights were from the year I was born haha.. Way before my time, the oldest running back I really have memories of is Hampton. Hearing Pat Summeral and John Madden in some of the highlights brought back some memories though. I always enjoyed there commentary.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 15, 2019 15:20:38 GMT -5
Those rushing highlights were from the year I was born haha.. Way before my time, the oldest running back I really have memories of is Hampton. Hearing Pat Summeral and John Madden in some of the highlights brought back some memories though. I always enjoyed there commentary. Memories of you playing Madden youngster? hahaha
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 15, 2019 16:03:42 GMT -5
Leonard Marshall not being in the ring of honor is a crime. Morrison yes Morris no.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 16:11:15 GMT -5
Those rushing highlights were from the year I was born haha.. Way before my time, the oldest running back I really have memories of is Hampton. Hearing Pat Summeral and John Madden in some of the highlights brought back some memories though. I always enjoyed there commentary. I miss madden calling games. I mean yeah he would repeat himself and sometimes come up with an odd analogy , but i loved him being there.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 15, 2019 16:11:43 GMT -5
Leonard Marshall not being in the ring of honor is a crime. Morrison yes Morris no. I feel the same way about John Mendenhall but I understand it. Marshall was one of my favorite players. Tough player, played balls out every play, extremely hard worker, a true Giant. Lawrence Taylor has been quoted as to saying “no one worked harder than Leonard Marshall.” It actually frustrates me how he’s not in the ring of honor. Are they waiting for him to be dead?
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Post by TEM on Aug 15, 2019 16:27:00 GMT -5
On the fence about Morris.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 15, 2019 16:29:11 GMT -5
There are a few posters that would benefit from watching these highlights and how a good running game instead of a pass happy attack can win games, .......that and a great defense. A great running game will never be old! If you can run the ball and stop the run you will win more than you lose. Just look at Jim Harbaugh 49ers teams. They were a ground and pound offense with a very tough defense. It wasn’t a coincidence that they won all those games during his tenure.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 15, 2019 17:34:44 GMT -5
I grew up watching Joe Morrison play he was our everything man. He was a QB out of Cincinnati, guess his natural position for us was HB. But he also played FB, WR, Flanker (slot), TE, S, CB, ran back kicks and punts. Played Special Teams. One year offense, oops someone hurt put Morrison in there. Offense or Defense. Move him not only different positions during the year but he could play HB for 4 games then they have him play S for the next 2 and then low and behold he at WR for the next 5-6 games and back to HB or FB to close out the 14 game schedule. Plus punt and kickoff return man. I believe Joe Morrison played somewhere between 8-10 years for us. Went back to college after he retired and Head Coach at Cincinnati I think. Passed away much too young. Loved Little Joe Morris, size had nothing to do with toughness. Instrumental in our 1st SB run. Parcells loved to run that ball, especially in cold weather. I would think the length of his tenure would be the main thing holding him back. I would put him on a par with Brandon Jacobs. Maybe a rung or two higher on the ladder. I wouldn't be upset if they gave Joe Morris that honor but don't know if I would vote for him to get in. Well said . got to agree with everything you said here. As for Joe Morris I liked him and he was a good back but he also had a hell of a line to hide behind . If they want to put him in the RoH I'm fine with that but doubt I would vote him in. Proof that smaller backs can be better and for longer periods of time. Look Emmmit Smith ...5'9..The Cowboys staple running play was the delay where it was actually a "pass action " run .The linebackers basicly had to not commit until they located him,and often when they did he was bulldozing one full power for an extra 4 yards...which is what Moris did quite a bit. This actually translates very well to modern NFL offense,especially the style we run(again which is what the Rams,Chiefs,Bears,Eagles and even Browns run).. Play out of shotgun or pistol in am 11 or preferably a 12,RPO(which works just like a delay),and Barkley also being 5'9ish is hard to locate.....if he keeps the ball and its blocked up,it could be deadly because by the time the linebackers locate him it's when he is blazing past them full speed. Of course this is made much easier if teams have to account for 2 TEs that are legit pass catching threats (Mowatt and Bavaro in 86 helped Morris put up insane numbers in that run,Ertz and Selik in 2017 opened up the Eagles running game,Gronk and Allen last year with Edleman made teams pay for daring the Patriots to beat them on the ground)or a legit dynamic playmaker (Cook and Woods forcing the Cowboys to stay in their base Tampa 2 and dare the Rams to win it on the Ground...Chiefs with Hill and Kelcey opening up huge lanes for 3rd and 4th string backs) People have this mythical love affair for a bruising big back and a ponderous style offense,Jacobs was fun,but how long are big backs truly that effective.... Give me the smaller guy every day of the week
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 15, 2019 17:36:02 GMT -5
Leonard Marshall not being in the ring of honor is a crime. Morrison yes Morris no. I feel the same way about John Mendenhall but I understand it. Mendenhall,Van Pelt,guys that were victims of being great in the wilderness years (at least Van Pelt got a taste of the playoffs and a playoff win)
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 15, 2019 17:43:13 GMT -5
I feel the same way about John Mendenhall but I understand it. Mendenhall,Van Pelt,guys that were victims of being great in the wilderness years (at least Van Pelt got a taste of the playoffs and a playoff win) Van Pelt was great..
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Post by r2z2 on Aug 15, 2019 17:44:38 GMT -5
It’s a matter of preference but 2 great seasons and one good one doesn’t cut it for me. I prefer the ring of honor to be an elite group. Don’t start doing what the Yankees do and retire everyone’s number.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 15, 2019 17:44:41 GMT -5
There are a few posters that would benefit from watching these highlights and how a good running game instead of a pass happy attack can win games, .......that and a great defense. A great running game will never be old! If you can run the ball and stop the run you will win more than you lose. Just look at Jim Harbaugh 49ers teams. They were a ground and pound offense with a very tough defense. It wasn’t a coincidence that they won all those games during his tenure. You need to be able to do everything on offense to win championships. Facts You need to have the firepower and passing attack to put up points,especially if the defense is not having a good day in a shootout or being down multiple scores to come back You need to run it for short yardage,ball control,run out the clock,and especially if teams fear your passing game (see rams vs Cowboys in playoffs and how the Chargers foolishly decided to defend New England in their playoff game)or if the weather sucks ase.. One dimensional either way rarely if ever wins these days(the Giants in 2011 is probably the one outleir with no running game to do this) Your example of the 49ers... but did they win a Super Bowl? Because teams that rely on ground and pound these days are covering for a below average passing game and are dead when down by 2 scores or more against top teams..
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Post by r2z2 on Aug 15, 2019 17:45:50 GMT -5
Mendenhall,Van Pelt,guys that were victims of being great in the wilderness years (at least Van Pelt got a taste of the playoffs and a playoff win) Van Pelt was great.. was he? He was a tad bit before my time but fans swear by him. Rob Carpenter is another folk hero.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 15, 2019 17:48:13 GMT -5
It’s a matter of preference but 2 great seasons and one good one doesn’t cut it for me. I prefer the ring of honor to be an elite group. Don’t start doing what the Yankees do and retire everyone’s number. Especially football retiring numbers because there are rules for numbers being used for position groups This team is going to be dangerously thin in the qb number group soon it they retire 10,and remember now since around 1999 recievers can use numbers 10-19 as well So what then?do we start using decimal points for QBs? (10.5 ex)
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 15, 2019 17:48:31 GMT -5
was he? He was a tad bit before my time but fans swear by him. Rob Carpenter is another folk hero. Great player.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 15, 2019 17:51:53 GMT -5
was he? He was a tad bit before my time but fans swear by him. Rob Carpenter is another folk hero. Van Pelt was a actually kinda a hybrid,started as a safety (before mu time)and converted to LB... Carpenter is a bit overrated, he gets the mythical treatment because of a midseason trade in which he came over from Houston and was part of the run that got us into the playoffs in 1981 Never had a 1000 yard season... High effort guy but that's it
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Post by McCherry on Aug 15, 2019 17:56:45 GMT -5
No. Loved Joe Morris, but there's not much productivity outside the 85/86 seasons.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 16, 2019 8:19:29 GMT -5
On the fence about Morris. I would put Hampton over Morris. Rodney Hampton played on some really bad offenses and he was THE offense for years.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2019 8:52:20 GMT -5
On the fence about Morris. I would put Hampton over Morris. Rodney Hampton played on some really bad offenses and he was THE offense for years. they just kept telling Rodney to run into the brick wall in front of him. He did it game in and game out without a word of protest with surprising success. Definitely one of my favorite Giants
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 16, 2019 8:59:28 GMT -5
I would put Hampton over Morris. Rodney Hampton played on some really bad offenses and he was THE offense for years. they just kept telling Rodney to run into the brick wall in front of him. He did it game in and game out without a word of protest with surprising success. Definitely one of my favorite Giants Luckily Shurmer is a atudent of contemporary modern offenses and won't do this to Barkley Back then you had a GM that still though football was played the way it was in the 70s and a coach that while a bit old school would rather have had a vertical passing game and was as we found out contemporary to mid 90s football when he made that 1998 Falcon offense explosive with a career Journeyman and Anderson,and what he did with Vick in 2002.. Reeves had no choice because he was castrated by Brown,bad drafts,a ponderous unathletic team on both sides of the ball..which lead to 1995 era Rodney Hampton ball...basicy destroying him And there are fans that want to go back to this style..
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 16, 2019 9:00:52 GMT -5
On the fence about Morris.
I loved Joe. He's is on my top 3 favorites of Giants RB's.
40 TD's in 85 and 86. Joe was a huge threat in our offense back then. But is two years enough to warrant ROH? Maybe not.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2019 9:06:05 GMT -5
they just kept telling Rodney to run into the brick wall in front of him. He did it game in and game out without a word of protest with surprising success. Definitely one of my favorite Giants Luckily Shurmer is a atudent of contemporary modern offenses and won't do this to Barkley Back then you had a GM that still though football was played the way it was in the 70s and a coach that while a bit old school would rather have had a vertical passing game and was as we found out contemporary to mid 90s football when he made that 1998 Falcon offense explosive with a career Journeyman and Anderson,and what he did with Vick in 2002.. Reeves had no choice because he was castrated by Brown,bad drafts,a ponderous unathletic team on both sides of the ball..which lead to 1995 era Rodney Hampton ball...basicy destroying him And there are fans that want to go back to this style.. You keep pressing this point.....I/we get it. I was simply stating my fan love for Rodney Hampton.
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