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Post by TEM on Aug 17, 2019 9:57:58 GMT -5
Last night showed tate (not bad) is no odell. Exactly: Tate was on the field playing. Not in some It's my leg coach. I think I got to sit this one out mode.
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 17, 2019 10:01:13 GMT -5
Trade up in the 2020 draft for Jerry Jeudy? Probably have to get into the Top 5 to do so but not a bad idea at all
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 10:07:01 GMT -5
Trade up in the 2020 draft for Jerry Jeudy? No no no 1.This draft class has a lot of potential dynamic guys,if it's a must need we will be in position to get one without having to trade up.Horrible waste of resources. 2.I know the Falcons did it with Jones (Rice was a trade into the mid 1st round and San Francisco didn't have to move up a lot)but history shows trading into the top of the draft for a supposed can't miss reciever has rarely ended well for the team trading up(re.Bills trade up for Watkins and the Giants let Odell come to them )
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Post by soflo on Aug 17, 2019 10:13:14 GMT -5
Trade up in the 2020 draft for Jerry Jeudy? No no no 1.This draft class has a lot of potential dynamic guys,if it's a must need we will be in position to get one without having to trade up.Horrible waste of resources. 2.I know the Falcons did it with Jones (Rice was a trade into the mid 1st round and San Francisco didn't have to move up a lot)but history shows trading into the top of the draft for a supposed can't miss reciever has rarely ended well for the team trading up(re.Bills trade up for Watkins and the Giants let Odell come to them ) Falcons also drafted Calvin Ridley. All three are from Alabama. Knowing Gettleman, he won't go for trading resources like that. Wouldn't be a bad idea if we didn't also need to draft for pass rush next year as well.
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 17, 2019 10:17:13 GMT -5
Trade up in the 2020 draft for Jerry Jeudy? No no no 1.This draft class has a lot of potential dynamic guys,if it's a must need we will be in position to get one without having to trade up.Horrible waste of resources. 2.I know the Falcons did it with Jones (Rice was a trade into the mid 1st round and San Francisco didn't have to move up a lot)but history shows trading into the top of the draft for a supposed can't miss reciever has rarely ended well for the team trading up(re.Bills trade up for Watkins and the Giants let Odell come to them ) Buffalo was so horny for Watkins that season....I bet that GM is outta football by now
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 10:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 17, 2019 11:06:23 GMT -5
also Russell is all overvthe field on STs making things happen. Almost created turnover with his speed and ability to knock ball loose but the bears player got a lucky bounce and got the ball back Also did you see his speed catching the Dback who had the INT near goal line think he was tsking it to the house. Russell was lightening fast closing a big gap to bring him down That's the guy nobody is talking about that might be the next "Victor Cruz" lightning in a bottle guy. He legit looks like he has taken the next step. Hight/Speed guy that needed a little seasoning i like him a lot. Has a lot of fire and no quit
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Post by bavarobeast on Aug 17, 2019 11:14:32 GMT -5
We are using our starting OLine vs backup Dlines. We better be able to give the QB time to find those WRs and create running lanes. Id say Shepard, Latimore, Russell, TJ Jones, Fowler make the team with Tate coming back week 5. Not seeing enough of White out there. I understand he's been sidelined - but you don't see Slayton making it?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 17, 2019 12:01:24 GMT -5
We are using our starting OLine vs backup Dlines. We better be able to give the QB time to find those WRs and create running lanes. Id say Shepard, Latimore, Russell, TJ Jones, Fowler make the team with Tate coming back week 5. Not seeing enough of White out there. I understand he's been sidelined - but you don't see Slayton making it? Not sure. He has been injury prone and drops passes. Maybe they can stick him on the PS or something. Hard to say until he makes a splash. So far, no.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 12:26:29 GMT -5
I understand he's been sidelined - but you don't see Slayton making it? Not sure. He has been injury prone and drops passes. Maybe they can stick him on the PS or something. Hard to say until he makes a splash. So far, no. He came on during the mini camps,and especially looked good with Jones. I think he sticks if he even shows a pulse the rest of the preseason because he has a skillset nobody else has at the moment
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Post by GameTime on Aug 17, 2019 12:33:15 GMT -5
TJ Jones... very good last two games and a good camp. Pro experience. Kid has the chance to have a lighting in a bottle type pf season. I like him I think he's going to be the odd man out. You have Sterling Shepard, Tate as automatics, then toss up with Fowler, Latimer and Jones. Russell Shepard I think is a lock because he plays a very good special teams. Jones has to play special teams, and he scares me when he's on punt return. how many has he muffed??
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Post by McCherry on Aug 17, 2019 12:43:40 GMT -5
I understand he's been sidelined - but you don't see Slayton making it? Not sure. He has been injury prone and drops passes. Maybe they can stick him on the PS or something. Hard to say until he makes a splash. So far, no. I think you're right about Slayton heading to the PS. But for some reason, fans view him as the savior of the offense?
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Post by Jomo on Aug 17, 2019 12:44:41 GMT -5
The recievers we have in camp all seem to be catching the ball very well. I think we have a great group of young wide outs. This is the best young group I can ever remember. A couple will emerge as real assets for our offense.
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Post by dvision on Aug 17, 2019 12:45:41 GMT -5
Last night showed tate (not bad) is no odell. Your right... he's actually healthy and on the field
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Post by southerner on Aug 17, 2019 12:59:50 GMT -5
Hello those (giantlegacy is the only one I remember - apologies to the others) worried that the absence of OBJ will hamstring our offense: just wondering if you believe any of the WRs we have on the roster are showing enough so far to allay your fears? It seemed to me in the last 4 games of last year that Latimer was giving defenses enough to think about to keep the safties honest and (based on highlights only because I'm in Senegal) it seems to be continuing into practice and preseason games this year. The WRs, as a unit, seem to be doing ok. I'm saying this based on what I've read of practices as well as the highlights of the preseason games. What do you guys think (with full acknowledgment it is hard to say at this point)? On another note, run blocking seems much better so far as free defenders getting into the the backfield. Smith seems to be a proficient runner but may have played himself off the roster with his ball security issues. Last note: how did some of the projects like Adams, Slade, Conrad, Connelly, Carlock and Love look? As long as he isn’t named Odell.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 17, 2019 13:10:58 GMT -5
I think he's going to be the odd man out. You have Sterling Shepard, Tate as automatics, then toss up with Fowler, Latimer and Jones. Russell Shepard I think is a lock because he plays a very good special teams. Jones has to play special teams, and he scares me when he's on punt return. how many has he muffed?? I think it’s two. I know for certain one last night, and I’m sure he has one in the Jets game. That’s enough for me..
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 13:14:40 GMT -5
I think it’s two. I know for certain one last night, and I’m sure he has one in the Jets game. That’s enough for me.. I thought Peppers was going to do this ?
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 17, 2019 13:19:45 GMT -5
I think it’s two. I know for certain one last night, and I’m sure he has one in the Jets game. That’s enough for me.. I thought Peppers was going to do this ? I think the Giants are looking for other options as well. In a perfect world I think it was Coleman’s job with Peppers as a viable second option. Now with Coleman hurt they want to see what would option B be.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 13:22:12 GMT -5
I thought Peppers was going to do this ? I think the Giants are looking for other options as well. In a perfect world I think it was Coleman’s job with Peppers as a viable second option. Now with Coleman hurt they want to see what would option B be. IIR Coleman only returned kick offs last year?(we need one of these as well,wondering if Slayton does this now that he is back so he can get a guarenteed roster spot)
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Post by GameTime on Aug 17, 2019 13:35:03 GMT -5
I think it’s two. I know for certain one last night, and I’m sure he has one in the Jets game. That’s enough for me.. dont think he had one vs the Jets but either way I think he is having a very good preseason.......whether he makes the team or not is of course debateable
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 17, 2019 13:35:13 GMT -5
Great post I want to see Russel get a chance with the Ones or two's he had a real good special teams play yesterday to. also Russell is all overvthe field on STs making things happen. Almost created turnover with his speed and ability to knock ball loose but the bears player got a lucky bounce and got the ball back Also did you see his speed catching the Dback who had the INT near goal line think he was tsking it to the house. Russell was lightening fast closing a big gap to bring him down Yup those are the kind of guys this team needs. Get him in that receivers room and let him play special teams and work his way up as far as he can take it.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 17, 2019 13:43:44 GMT -5
Everyone needs to remember that we won Super Bowls with WR named Manuel, Johnson and McConkey. The game has changed but we don't need more "name guys" out there. We need guys who are hungry, smart and looking to make plays. We haven't even seen Shepherd yet... We'll be plenty good at WR this year..
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Post by GameTime on Aug 17, 2019 13:46:43 GMT -5
Everyone needs to remember that we won Super Bowls with WR named Manuel, Johnson and McConkey. The game has changed but we don't need more "name guys" out there. We need guys who are hungry, smart and looking to make plays. We haven't even seen Shepherd yet... We'll be plenty good at WR this year.. no no no... if you dont have WR that can stretch the field then NOTHING will work ever!!!
An efficient and well run offense just cant happen without a speedster that the D has to account for. The defense having to account for a an entire good functioning offense is so much easier to work against...All you have you do is go back and see how many games we won with OB.....
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 17, 2019 13:47:33 GMT -5
Everyone needs to remember that we won Super Bowls with WR named Manuel, Johnson and McConkey. The game has changed but we don't need more "name guys" out there. We need guys who are hungry, smart and looking to make plays. We haven't even seen Shepherd yet... We'll be plenty good at WR this year.. To be fair. We won with those guys on the backs of Taylor, Carson, Bavaro, Marshall and many others. The receivers on those great teams just so happened to be playing on some of the best Giants teams in the franchises history.
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Post by roundabout on Aug 17, 2019 13:50:15 GMT -5
I understand he's been sidelined - but you don't see Slayton making it? Not sure. He has been injury prone and drops passes. Maybe they can stick him on the PS or something. Hard to say until he makes a splash. So far, no. No way their putting Slayton on the practice squad,he would be picked up in a heartbeat by another team
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 17, 2019 13:55:05 GMT -5
I understand he's been sidelined - but you don't see Slayton making it? Not sure. He has been injury prone and drops passes. Maybe they can stick him on the PS or something. Hard to say until he makes a splash. So far, no. He’s a lock on the 53
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 13:56:33 GMT -5
also Russell is all overvthe field on STs making things happen. Almost created turnover with his speed and ability to knock ball loose but the bears player got a lucky bounce and got the ball back Also did you see his speed catching the Dback who had the INT near goal line think he was tsking it to the house. Russell was lightening fast closing a big gap to bring him down Yup those are the kind of guys this team needs. Get him in that receivers room and let him play special teams and work his way up as far as he can take it. Russell and Slayton make this team and I'm all of a sudden liking this group
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 14:21:36 GMT -5
Everyone needs to remember that we won Super Bowls with WR named Manuel, Johnson and McConkey. The game has changed but we don't need more "name guys" out there. We need guys who are hungry, smart and looking to make plays. We haven't even seen Shepherd yet... We'll be plenty good at WR this year.. To be fair. We won with those guys on the backs of Taylor, Carson, Bavaro, Marshall and many others. The receivers on those great teams just so happened to be playing on some of the best Giants teams in the franchises history. Also to be fair the 86 team had possibly the best 2 TE set in history in that run and were both being used in ways nobody was using TEs in a tandem (Manuel was injured and was a non factor) I actually in a way see a change in the way teams value their dynamic guy by kinda mimicking what goes on in college,especially if you have an elite qb that can get production from bottom of roster nobodies. Allocate top cap resources to a few players(think a few linemen,qb and one or 2 must haves,lets say in our case in 5 years its Jones,Barkley,Engram,Hernandez and another young lineman)and cycle tbrough everyone else like they do in college and not resign them...granted many of these recievers will see the trend and hold out,especially if they are on their contract year...in which case you would have drafted his replacement already and trade the guy to a team that has a meh qb that needed to be surrounded by weapons The Chiefs are already doing this,they drafted Tyreek Hill's replacement this year.Even though it was protection incase he was charged and thrown out of the league,it is now showing to be a wise move because (I forgot his name)the rookie is showing he is just as good which means Hill probably won't be resigned,which is really good for the Chiefs because they are looking at a record shattering deal they have to give to Mahomes in a year or 2. This is the luxury of course of having a very sound system that pieces can be interchangeable and having an elite level qb that can get production from everone.. If Slayton is indeed this guy then we draft his replacement in 2022,if we take one next year same thing... It's legit like teams like Oklahoma that seemingly have playmakers go through there every year,or Ohio state or Alabama...with no drop off
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Post by Jomo on Aug 17, 2019 15:24:19 GMT -5
Everyone needs to remember that we won Super Bowls with WR named Manuel, Johnson and McConkey. The game has changed but we don't need more "name guys" out there. We need guys who are hungry, smart and looking to make plays. We haven't even seen Shepherd yet... We'll be plenty good at WR this year.. To be fair. We won with those guys on the backs of Taylor, Carson, Bavaro, Marshall and many others. The receivers on those great teams just so happened to be playing on some of the best Giants teams in the franchises history. That is fair and true but I think it underscores my point which is, you don't win championships with dynamic receivers, you win with strong defense, strong in the trenches and a balanced TEAM and of course most often a great QB.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 15:36:17 GMT -5
To be fair. We won with those guys on the backs of Taylor, Carson, Bavaro, Marshall and many others. The receivers on those great teams just so happened to be playing on some of the best Giants teams in the franchises history. That is fair and true but I think it underscores my point which is, you don't win championships with dynamic receivers, you win with strong defense, strong in the trenches and a balanced TEAM and of course most often a great QB. Wrong If you don't have anything or anyone that forces a defense to allocate time and resources that compromise the overall integrity of the defense and make it vunerable to other things you wont win,unless you have Brady and.Bradys don't grow on trees. Whether it be a 12 formation with 2 matchup nightmare reciever TEs,one or 2 guys that cant be covered by one guy..you need something other than an O line,defense and a RB to win championships these days,including last year where both D lines dominated the game and Brady was off,and Edleman pretty much was the savior,and when the Rams overcompensated it opened up Gronk at the end.
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