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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 21, 2019 14:23:17 GMT -5
I have been one of the guys beating the drum for a switch to the 3-4 defensive front and now that we are running a 3-4 defense I'm now able to see if i really prefer running a 3-4 scheme.
What I expected is that we would now be focused on more athletic edge/lb's and get faster as a team on defense where we would have more versatility in covering TE's and RB's. That was my main reason, I knew a 3-4 defense would force us to draft good LB's......
The thing is, with gettleman liking hog mollies in the trenches, his GM style is better suited towards finding players for a 4-3 defense. I do like the fact that guy like Lorenzo Carter and Xman, got drafted as they would not have been drafted for a 4-3 scheme IMO.
Another reason I liked the 3-4 defense is because I felt that with all the spread offenses in college, guys were coming out undersized and better suited for a 3-4, which in my opinion, is best against spread offense which are starting to appear in the NFL because of this pass happy league.
So two years in, are you happy with the 3-4 switch or do you miss the 4-3 defense?
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Post by allnygin on Aug 21, 2019 14:35:39 GMT -5
3-4 is really the way to go. You still need good players or 4-3. 3-4 it doesn't matter.
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Post by nick030567 on Aug 21, 2019 15:08:33 GMT -5
Hard to tell so far. I think I prefer an aggressive 4-3 but it's pretty similar either way. As long as there are creative and confusing blitz schemes employed regularly I'm happy regardless of system.
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Post by fifthavephil on Aug 21, 2019 15:12:00 GMT -5
If, Belicheck was coaching our existing defense personnel. Would , we perform better or the same ? If, better,what does it say bout Bettcher.
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Post by yoho on Aug 21, 2019 15:16:46 GMT -5
All I know is the 3-4 works pretty darn well when you have a Lawrence Taylor!
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Post by Merc on Aug 21, 2019 15:34:14 GMT -5
All I know is the 3-4 works pretty darn well when you have a Lawrence Taylor! Any D works well with LT.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 21, 2019 15:42:27 GMT -5
Pretty sure it's only been one season. We are in season 2 of a 3-4 and i have watched 2 games this year... And yes, preseason is part of the NFL season....Wisenheimer
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Post by GameTime on Aug 21, 2019 15:47:13 GMT -5
two years in?
We have only seen one season right?
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 21, 2019 15:47:54 GMT -5
3-4, 4-3, as a fan, I'm not that attached to one or the other, with the right players both can be equally effective, but want my DC to be a scheming madman within the type of D he likes to run.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 21, 2019 15:48:18 GMT -5
two years in? We have only seen one season right? it must be the new math
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 21, 2019 15:50:38 GMT -5
What defense punishes quarterbacks and devetates runníngbacks? Because that's the one I prefer.
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 21, 2019 15:53:10 GMT -5
if you find the proper personnel ie. edge rushing linebackers than 3-4 is superior I feel
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Post by Kase1 on Aug 21, 2019 16:08:22 GMT -5
Dont we run a hybrid anyway......
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Post by TEM on Aug 21, 2019 16:20:38 GMT -5
A 4-3 schema is much easier to find players to fit it,
DE are much easier to transition into the NFL than 3-4 edge rusher. And there are more of them.
All NT are DTs . Not all DTs are NTs The biggest problem for the 3-4 system . If that NT can not anchor the D-line . Your front gets ran through. It's well known that a weakness of the 3-4 is the "world theory": There are only so many natural two-gap 3-4 nose tackles in the world, and if you don't have one you can't stop the run. It exposes your MLBs to take on OGs . A mismatch.
3-4 defensive ends must be true two-way players, typically 280 pounds or more. Their prime responsibility is to stop the run, but they must also have the ability to beat offensive tackles and sack the quarterback. Few players can truly dominate in both roles. Must have the right fit for 3-4 DEs
As with a 3-4 NT it's true of 3-4 DEs as well: not many ends can overpower tackles and tight ends in the run game yet still have the speed and technique needed to sack the quarterback. IN a 4-3 your DT take on the OGs
Without quality ends, the pass rush must come from the blitz. It much easier to find a a run stopping 4-3 MLB (Goodson) Then it is to find 3-4 cover/ blitz/ runs stoppers
The pass-rushing stars of the 3-4, though, are not the defensive linemen. The size and strength of the men up front allows the linebackers to attack any of the gaps with almost any number and combination of linebackers.
The best pure pass-rushing linebacker in the 4-3 typically plays on the right (ROLB), attacking the blind side of the quarterback from the outside edge. The LOLB also brings heat on the strong side, but he may have to fight through a tight end, depending on the protection, It is hard to find those guys opposed to a 4-3 DE.
Relying on the four linebackers to provide the pass rush is a dangerous game. Linebackers must also share coverage responsibilities, and too-aggressive blitzing can be exploited by good quarterbacks.
Both can be great systems when all is right. IMO: The 4-3 is easier to plug players into.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 21, 2019 17:11:16 GMT -5
two years in? We have only seen one season right? I was about to say the same thing. So after one season with players that really didnt fit the scheme, do we prefer it? Who knows?
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Post by GameTime on Aug 21, 2019 17:14:13 GMT -5
What defense punishes quarterbacks and devastates running backs? Because that's the one I prefer. ^^^^ this I will add and plays the pass well too
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Post by Roswell on Aug 21, 2019 17:15:02 GMT -5
I prefer a 3-4. But I also prefer that we get some really good LBs.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 21, 2019 17:16:03 GMT -5
A 4-3 schema is much easier to find players to fit it, DE are much easier to transition into the NFL than 3-4 edge rusher. And there are more of them. All NT are DTs . Not all DTs are NTs The biggest problem for the 3-4 system . If that NT can not anchor the D-line . Your front gets ran through. It's well known that a weakness of the 3-4 is the "world theory": There are only so many natural two-gap 3-4 nose tackles in the world, and if you don't have one you can't stop the run. It exposes your MLBs to take on OGs . A mismatch. 3-4 defensive ends must be true two-way players, typically 280 pounds or more. Their prime responsibility is to stop the run, but they must also have the ability to beat offensive tackles and sack the quarterback. Few players can truly dominate in both roles. Must have the right fit for 3-4 DEs As with a 3-4 NT it's true of 3-4 DEs as well: not many ends can overpower tackles and tight ends in the run game yet still have the speed and technique needed to sack the quarterback. IN a 4-3 your DT take on the OGs Without quality ends, the pass rush must come from the blitz. It much easier to find a a run stopping 3-4 MLB (Goodson) Then it is to find 4-3 cover/ blitz/ runs stoppers The pass-rushing stars of the 3-4, though, are not the defensive linemen. The size and strength of the men up front allows the linebackers to attack any of the gaps with almost any number and combination of linebackers. The best pure pass-rushing linebacker in the 4-3 typically plays on the right (ROLB), attacking the blind side of the quarterback from the outside edge. The LOLB also brings heat on the strong side, but he may have to fight through a tight end, depending on the protection, It is hard to find those guys opposed to a 4-3 DE. Relying on the four linebackers to provide the pass rush is a dangerous game. Linebackers must also share coverage responsibilities, and too-aggressive blitzing can be exploited by good quarterbacks. Both can be great systems when all is right. IMO: The 4-3 is easier to plug players into. You couldn't just say you prefer a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense could you? I bet you could talk about the color blue for an hour straight without skipping a beat..
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Post by GameTime on Aug 21, 2019 17:18:38 GMT -5
A 4-3 schema is much easier to find players to fit it, DE are much easier to transition into the NFL than 3-4 edge rusher. And there are more of them. All NT are DTs . Not all DTs are NTs The biggest problem for the 3-4 system . If that NT can not anchor the D-line . Your front gets ran through. It's well known that a weakness of the 3-4 is the "world theory": There are only so many natural two-gap 3-4 nose tackles in the world, and if you don't have one you can't stop the run. It exposes your MLBs to take on OGs . A mismatch. 3-4 defensive ends must be true two-way players, typically 280 pounds or more. Their prime responsibility is to stop the run, but they must also have the ability to beat offensive tackles and sack the quarterback. Few players can truly dominate in both roles. Must have the right fit for 3-4 DEs As with a 3-4 NT it's true of 3-4 DEs as well: not many ends can overpower tackles and tight ends in the run game yet still have the speed and technique needed to sack the quarterback. IN a 4-3 your DT take on the OGs Without quality ends, the pass rush must come from the blitz. It much easier to find a a run stopping 3-4 MLB (Goodson) Then it is to find 4-3 cover/ blitz/ runs stoppers The pass-rushing stars of the 3-4, though, are not the defensive linemen. The size and strength of the men up front allows the linebackers to attack any of the gaps with almost any number and combination of linebackers. The best pure pass-rushing linebacker in the 4-3 typically plays on the right (ROLB), attacking the blind side of the quarterback from the outside edge. The LOLB also brings heat on the strong side, but he may have to fight through a tight end, depending on the protection, It is hard to find those guys opposed to a 4-3 DE. Relying on the four linebackers to provide the pass rush is a dangerous game. Linebackers must also share coverage responsibilities, and too-aggressive blitzing can be exploited by good quarterbacks. Both can be great systems when all is right. IMO: The 4-3 is easier to plug players into. You couldn't just say you prefer a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense could you? I bet you could talk about the color blue for an hour straight without skipping a beat.. he actually may prefer 4-3 over 3-4 no? couldn't really tell....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 17:25:08 GMT -5
I have been one of the guys beating the drum for a switch to the 3-4 defensive front and now that we are running a 3-4 defense I'm now able to see if i really prefer running a 3-4 scheme. What I expected is that we would now be focused on more athletic edge/lb's and get faster as a team on defense where we would have more versatility in covering TE's and RB's. That was my main reason, I knew a 3-4 defense would force us to draft good LB's...... The thing is, with gettleman liking hog mollies in the trenches, his GM style is better suited towards finding players for a 4-3 defense. I do like the fact that guy like Lorenzo Carter and Xman, got drafted as they would not have been drafted for a 4-3 scheme IMO. Another reason I liked the 3-4 defense is because I felt that with all the spread offenses in college, guys were coming out undersized and better suited for a 3-4, which in my opinion, is best against spread offense which are starting to appear in the NFL because of this pass happy league. So two years in, are you happy with the 3-4 switch or do you miss the 4-3 defense? There is virtually no difference to the formation and how individual players are used Giants fans still stuck in the 80s Parcels 3-4 hasn’t been used in quite some time.
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Post by TEM on Aug 21, 2019 17:29:26 GMT -5
A 4-3 schema is much easier to find players to fit it, DE are much easier to transition into the NFL than 3-4 edge rusher. And there are more of them. All NT are DTs . Not all DTs are NTs The biggest problem for the 3-4 system . If that NT can not anchor the D-line . Your front gets ran through. It's well known that a weakness of the 3-4 is the "world theory": There are only so many natural two-gap 3-4 nose tackles in the world, and if you don't have one you can't stop the run. It exposes your MLBs to take on OGs . A mismatch. 3-4 defensive ends must be true two-way players, typically 280 pounds or more. Their prime responsibility is to stop the run, but they must also have the ability to beat offensive tackles and sack the quarterback. Few players can truly dominate in both roles. Must have the right fit for 3-4 DEs As with a 3-4 NT it's true of 3-4 DEs as well: not many ends can overpower tackles and tight ends in the run game yet still have the speed and technique needed to sack the quarterback. IN a 4-3 your DT take on the OGs Without quality ends, the pass rush must come from the blitz. It much easier to find a a run stopping 3-4 MLB (Goodson) Then it is to find 4-3 cover/ blitz/ runs stoppers The pass-rushing stars of the 3-4, though, are not the defensive linemen. The size and strength of the men up front allows the linebackers to attack any of the gaps with almost any number and combination of linebackers. The best pure pass-rushing linebacker in the 4-3 typically plays on the right (ROLB), attacking the blind side of the quarterback from the outside edge. The LOLB also brings heat on the strong side, but he may have to fight through a tight end, depending on the protection, It is hard to find those guys opposed to a 4-3 DE. Relying on the four linebackers to provide the pass rush is a dangerous game. Linebackers must also share coverage responsibilities, and too-aggressive blitzing can be exploited by good quarterbacks. Both can be great systems when all is right. IMO: The 4-3 is easier to plug players into. You couldn't just say you prefer a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense could you? I bet you could talk about the color blue for an hour straight without skipping a beat.. Do you have a problem with my explanation on why I prefer a 4-3?
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 21, 2019 17:31:42 GMT -5
You couldn't just say you prefer a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense could you? I bet you could talk about the color blue for an hour straight without skipping a beat.. Do you have a problem with my explanation on why I prefer a 4-3? Not at all. You know I can talk football with the best of them. I like to bust your balls..
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Post by TEM on Aug 21, 2019 17:42:54 GMT -5
Do you have a problem with my explanation on why I prefer a 4-3? Not at all. You know I can talk football with the best of them. I like to bust your balls.. Truthfully I can talk about blue for an hour or more . Did You know the sky is blue ? Because the gasses in atmosphere act like a prism and separate the sun light into the colors of the spectrum of visible light . Blue is a short wavelength reds being the longest . Because of the short wavelength of blue. It is scatted throughout the atmosphere more so than other colors . The result is the sky appears to be blue.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 21, 2019 18:40:58 GMT -5
Incomplete
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Post by TEM on Aug 21, 2019 19:47:29 GMT -5
A 4-3 schema is much easier to find players to fit it, DE are much easier to transition into the NFL than 3-4 edge rusher. And there are more of them. All NT are DTs . Not all DTs are NTs The biggest problem for the 3-4 system . If that NT can not anchor the D-line . Your front gets ran through. It's well known that a weakness of the 3-4 is the "world theory": There are only so many natural two-gap 3-4 nose tackles in the world, and if you don't have one you can't stop the run. It exposes your MLBs to take on OGs . A mismatch. 3-4 defensive ends must be true two-way players, typically 280 pounds or more. Their prime responsibility is to stop the run, but they must also have the ability to beat offensive tackles and sack the quarterback. Few players can truly dominate in both roles. Must have the right fit for 3-4 DEsAs with a 3-4 NT it's true of 3-4 DEs as well: not many ends can overpower tackles and tight ends in the run game yet still have the speed and technique needed to sack the quarterback. IN a 4-3 your DT take on the OGs Without quality ends, the pass rush must come from the blitz. It much easier to find a a run stopping 4-3 MLB (Goodson) Then it is to find 3-4 cover/ blitz/ runs stoppers The pass-rushing stars of the 3-4, though, are not the defensive linemen. The size and strength of the men up front allows the linebackers to attack any of the gaps with almost any number and combination of linebackers. The best pure pass-rushing linebacker in the 4-3 typically plays on the right (ROLB), attacking the blind side of the quarterback from the outside edge. The LOLB also brings heat on the strong side, but he may have to fight through a tight end, depending on the protection, It is hard to find those guys opposed to a 4-3 DE. Relying on the four linebackers to provide the pass rush is a dangerous game. Linebackers must also share coverage responsibilities, and too-aggressive blitzing can be exploited by good quarterbacks. Both can be great systems when all is right. IMO: The 4-3 is easier to plug players into. Dexter lawrence is a 3-4 DE. They are really DT's in a 3-4. The Edge guys are OLB's. I don't see Dexter Lawrence matching up against OT's unless it'd to help the OG when no OLB is rushing off the edge. In the running game an OT is on him. That is the problem . If the in the 3-4 the right 3 on the line is a must each of those positions require a specific skill set or they will get ran through. There only so many to go around. My main problem with the 3-4 is the front 7 have to be exactly what is needed. The DT is DT but not all DTs fit a 3-4, but they all can fit in a 4-3 schema . It is the same with LBs .
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 21, 2019 19:57:40 GMT -5
I deleted my post...hahaha. I went to go watch Lawrences snaps
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 21, 2019 20:10:12 GMT -5
I have been one of the guys beating the drum for a switch to the 3-4 defensive front and now that we are running a 3-4 defense I'm now able to see if i really prefer running a 3-4 scheme. What I expected is that we would now be focused on more athletic edge/lb's and get faster as a team on defense where we would have more versatility in covering TE's and RB's. That was my main reason, I knew a 3-4 defense would force us to draft good LB's...... The thing is, with gettleman liking hog mollies in the trenches, his GM style is better suited towards finding players for a 4-3 defense. I do like the fact that guy like Lorenzo Carter and Xman, got drafted as they would not have been drafted for a 4-3 scheme IMO. Another reason I liked the 3-4 defense is because I felt that with all the spread offenses in college, guys were coming out undersized and better suited for a 3-4, which in my opinion, is best against spread offense which are starting to appear in the NFL because of this pass happy league. So two years in, are you happy with the 3-4 switch or do you miss the 4-3 defense? There is virtually no difference to the formation and how individual players are used Giants fans still stuck in the 80sParcels 3-4 hasn’t been used in quite some time.
While you seem stuck on being wrong.
There is absolutely a difference with OLB's in coverage vs DL's in coverage, just as there's a difference in playing the run using in these different alignments.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 21, 2019 20:30:25 GMT -5
Skipped most of the posts sorry.
I look forward to seeing what we do with a $LB this year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:37:27 GMT -5
I like it we need mote lbs suited for it. Like the cowboys
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Post by giants38 on Aug 21, 2019 22:09:26 GMT -5
We are in season 2 of a 3-4 and i have watched 2 games this year... And yes, preseason is part of the NFL season....Wisenheimer No , it's not. No Coach worth a dime shows anything in the pre season. Again we've had one season of Bettcher's Defense I'm willing to give it time as long as I see some sort of improvement. Honestly, it's a Hy bred system becuase at times he does go 4-3 Of course, there have been personnel changes so we will see. Last year, though, the defense lined up with a four-man front on 70% of the snaps.
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