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Post by redbeardxxv on Aug 23, 2019 12:31:47 GMT -5
Kurt Warner is still butt hurt from getting benched for Eli and then summarily fired. NOTHING he says is not skewed by his bias.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 12:05:48 GMT -5
Kurt isn’t a dope but he went along with the dopes He watched the same clips as everyone else and came up with a scattershot analysis that fed into the same narrative He later spoke very highly of Jones. The initial reaction to Jones on all sides was pretty much entirely extreme. Negative and then over-positive reacting to the negative. IMO, the reaction was to him being taken at 6 instead of 17. All the "experts" didnt think he was worth a 6, and thought he would be available at 17. But no one will ever really know that, and you cant wait on a QB if he is your guy. I could not care less about that. I thought Dexter Lawrence was every bit as good a prospect as Allen anyway. Josh Allen was an excellent edge prospect but it’s not like he had a Saquon level grade where he was head and shoulders above every player in the draft. I’ll be watching with interest how Allen develops. If he doesn’t become a top end player there will be even more crow for many to eat
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Post by jjhall91 on Aug 24, 2019 13:27:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people get so worked up over an opinion. I find that curious as well. My guess would be those critical of Warner's comment consider his opinion an insult and/or a contradiction to their belief and hope that DJ will be great. I understand their hope as I share it, but I'm not blind. I see nothing at this point to indicate his future greatness if for no other reason than he hasn't been placed in a position to prove it. I would be extremely happy to find, as Warner says, that Jones becomes a good to very good QB. There's a long list of good QBs that have been successful in reaching and winning the SB when given sufficient talent around them. Jones doesn't have to be great to be successful. One could argue Eli falls in this category. He played well in 2 SBs, but without the Giants' defense holding NE to a little less than half their season average his effort would have been a simple footnote in history.
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 24, 2019 15:47:41 GMT -5
this statement by Warner is a surprise to me, I always felt Warner was a level headed guy and now he is making statements like this just for the hype, not the old Kurt Warner I remember...
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Post by coughlinscorner on Aug 24, 2019 21:02:00 GMT -5
this statement by Warner is a surprise to me, I always felt Warner was a level headed guy and now he is making statements like this just for the hype, not the old Kurt Warner I remember... Of course no one thought Kurt Warner would be a HOFer when he was bagging groceries. But now HE has the ability to determine Jones ceiling as a player? I expect this kind of hypocrisy and ego from Tiki.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Aug 24, 2019 21:15:19 GMT -5
The reason it's annoying to me is I think it's less his real opinion and more said for shock value. It's something that at this point neither he or anyone else knows for sure. You would think a guy who was bagging groceries and probably had the same thing said about him more than once would know better...
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Post by gumby on Aug 25, 2019 11:16:52 GMT -5
I think people need to set expectations. Team as a whole are already lucky if they get a Matt Ryan. Maybe even a Dalton or Tannehill. So to say that DJ will most likely be a Dalton, isn't exactly an insult.
Dalton is good enough to win with. It's just up to the front office to make it happen. The trick however is to have them win it all BEFORE their contract extension. Once you have to pay the QB, it'll be so much harder to build the team.
Expecting a high draft pick to be Peyton Manning, or Rodgers isn't realistic. They're once in a generation talents.
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Post by TEM on Aug 25, 2019 11:26:51 GMT -5
I think people need to set expectations. Team as a whole are already lucky if they get a Matt Ryan. Maybe even a Dalton or Tannehill. So to say that DJ will most likely be a Dalton, isn't exactly an insult. Dalton is good enough to win with. It's just up to the front office to make it happen. The trick however is to have them win it all BEFORE their contract extension. Once you have to pay the QB, it'll be so much harder to build the team. Expecting a high draft pick to be Peyton Manning, or Rodgers isn't realistic. They're once in a generation talents. I would be happy with a trophy.
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 25, 2019 12:21:47 GMT -5
Should not surprise any of us
It's not like he went way out a limb with that comment anyway
I can only imagine what his comment will be when DJ wins in the post season
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 15:56:06 GMT -5
I think people need to set expectations. Team as a whole are already lucky if they get a Matt Ryan. Maybe even a Dalton or Tannehill. So to say that DJ will most likely be a Dalton, isn't exactly an insult. Dalton is good enough to win with. It's just up to the front office to make it happen. The trick however is to have them win it all BEFORE their contract extension. Once you have to pay the QB, it'll be so much harder to build the team. Expecting a high draft pick to be Peyton Manning, or Rodgers isn't realistic. They're once in a generation talents. rational thought has no place here. Warner is bitter and evil !!!! Lol fans get so bent out of shape over a prediction. I happen to disagree with him but who is to say he will not be correct?
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 28, 2019 20:37:01 GMT -5
I think people need to set expectations. Team as a whole are already lucky if they get a Matt Ryan. Maybe even a Dalton or Tannehill. So to say that DJ will most likely be a Dalton, isn't exactly an insult. Dalton is good enough to win with. It's just up to the front office to make it happen. The trick however is to have them win it all BEFORE their contract extension. Once you have to pay the QB, it'll be so much harder to build the team. Expecting a high draft pick to be Peyton Manning, or Rodgers isn't realistic. They're once in a generation talents. rational thought has no place here. Warner is bitter and evil !!!! Lol fans get so bent out of shape over a prediction. I happen to disagree with him but who is to say he will not be correct? Just wow.
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Post by lexington11 on Aug 29, 2019 2:34:05 GMT -5
warner wasn't supposed to be good enough either, nothing to see here folks.
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Post by bizcliz on Aug 29, 2019 7:42:28 GMT -5
I think people need to set expectations. Team as a whole are already lucky if they get a Matt Ryan. Maybe even a Dalton or Tannehill. So to say that DJ will most likely be a Dalton, isn't exactly an insult. Dalton is good enough to win with. It's just up to the front office to make it happen. The trick however is to have them win it all BEFORE their contract extension. Once you have to pay the QB, it'll be so much harder to build the team. Expecting a high draft pick to be Peyton Manning, or Rodgers isn't realistic. They're once in a generation talents. rational thought has no place here. Warner is bitter and evil !!!! Lol fans get so bent out of shape over a prediction. I happen to disagree with him but who is to say he will not be correct? You are not wrong
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 7:46:27 GMT -5
These type of comments made by ex players will always remind me of the time when Aikman told everyone that without a doubt Romo was going to win multiple super bowls. Glad that one was also wrong!
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 29, 2019 8:04:37 GMT -5
These type of comments made by ex players will always remind me of the time when Aikman told everyone that without a doubt Romo was going to win multiple super bowls. Glad that one was also wrong! He never even got to play in one. Was 2-6 in playoff games.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 29, 2019 11:33:47 GMT -5
guy still has an axe to grind and was unworthy of Canton IMHO Unworthy of canton? Dude is in the ring of honor for two teams and took both franchises to the post season. 3 superbowl appearances, and his stats are based on him coming in the league late... One of the best to ever suit up at the position and one of the most dominant offense in history with the Rams..... Really?
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 29, 2019 11:46:49 GMT -5
guy still has an axe to grind and was unworthy of Canton IMHO Unworthy of canton? Dude is in the ring of honor for two teams and took both franchises to the post season. 3 superbowl appearances, and his stats are based on him coming in the league late... One of the best to ever suit up at the position and one of the most dominant offense in history with the Rams..... Really? 1-2 in SB’s and threw one of the worst picks in SB history. Also, had a few years in the middle of his career that were just bad. Don’t have a problem with him going in the Hall, but it wasn’t a slam dunk IMO
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 13:33:01 GMT -5
Disappointing. Youd think after his own unbelievable story of overcoming huge odds to become a star, he of all people would have faith that Jones could be something special. He's exactly the guy to preach for the underdog and find things in guys that others dont see. He's one of the only ones I thought might actually be behind him.
Meh, I like Kurt a lot but this knocks him down a notch in my book.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 14:23:44 GMT -5
These type of comments made by ex players will always remind me of the time when Aikman told everyone that without a doubt Romo was going to win multiple super bowls. Glad that one was also wrong! He never even got to play in one. Was 2-6 in playoff games. kinda hard when his D gave up 40 points in big games.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 29, 2019 14:38:52 GMT -5
Unworthy of canton? Dude is in the ring of honor for two teams and took both franchises to the post season. 3 superbowl appearances, and his stats are based on him coming in the league late... One of the best to ever suit up at the position and one of the most dominant offense in history with the Rams..... Really? 1-2 in SB’s and threw one of the worst picks in SB history. Also, had a few years in the middle of his career that were just bad. Don’t have a problem with him going in the Hall, but it wasn’t a slam dunk IMO One play doesn't define a great career, but he threw a 90+ yd pick-6 with no time on the clock at the end of the half. People don't talk about that enough.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 29, 2019 14:42:14 GMT -5
1-2 in SB’s and threw one of the worst picks in SB history. Also, had a few years in the middle of his career that were just bad. Don’t have a problem with him going in the Hall, but it wasn’t a slam dunk IMO One play doesn't define a great career, but he threw a 90+ yd pick-6 with no time on the clock at the end of the half. People don't talk about that enough. Huge turning point in the game. They looked to be on their way to a TD (a FG at the very least) and turn around and give up 7. Brutal.
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Post by SG88 on Aug 29, 2019 14:54:39 GMT -5
One play doesn't define a great career, but he threw a 90+ yd pick-6 with no time on the clock at the end of the half. People don't talk about that enough. Huge turning point in the game. They looked to be on their way to a TD (a FG at the very least) and turn around and give up 7. Brutal. Despite that, they were still in position to win the game late in the 4th after that long Fitzgerald TD. It just took some clutch play by Big Ben and a historically great catch by Holmes to seal that deal. That honestly was supposed to be our repeat . A shit load of what ifs for us.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 29, 2019 15:31:05 GMT -5
Huge turning point in the game. They looked to be on their way to a TD (a FG at the very least) and turn around and give up 7. Brutal. Despite that, they were still in position to win the game late in the 4th after that long Fitzgerald TD. It just took some clutch play by Big Ben and a historically great catch by Holmes to seal that deal. That honestly was supposed to be our repeat . A shit load of what ifs for us. Now if I understand these boards correctly, that loss to Pittsburgh was because Warner didn't do his job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 15:34:01 GMT -5
Despite that, they were still in position to win the game late in the 4th after that long Fitzgerald TD. It just took some clutch play by Big Ben and a historically great catch by Holmes to seal that deal. That honestly was supposed to be our repeat . A shit load of what ifs for us. Now if I understand these boards correctly, that loss to Pittsburgh was because Warner didn't do his job. he threw 3 td passes, he didnt have the luxury as eli had to only need 19 points.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 29, 2019 15:35:32 GMT -5
Now if I understand these boards correctly, that loss to Pittsburgh was because Warner didn't do his job. he threw 3 td passes, he didnt have the luxury as eli had to only need 19 points. If he had kept the D off the field, they would have won...he let his whole team down with his incompetence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 15:48:15 GMT -5
he threw 3 td passes, he didnt have the luxury as eli had to only need 19 points. If he had kept the D off the field, they would have won...he let his whole team down with his incompetence. funny you dont say that when eli throws a pick.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 29, 2019 15:57:50 GMT -5
If he had kept the D off the field, they would have won...he let his whole team down with his incompetence. funny you dont say that when eli throws a pick. We are currently focusing on how Warner failed his team and the fan base by failing to keep the D off the field. That's your story when the D gives up the lead for the Giants, so it must be true of that ****ing loser Warner.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 20:44:49 GMT -5
funny you dont say that when eli throws a pick. We are currently focusing on how Warner failed his team and the fan base by failing to keep the D off the field. That's your story when the D gives up the lead for the Giants, so it must be true of that ****ing loser Warner. well seeing as goober never kept the D off the field for 3 qtrs each superbowl , I find it ironic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 6:45:25 GMT -5
We are currently focusing on how Warner failed his team and the fan base by failing to keep the D off the field. That's your story when the D gives up the lead for the Giants, so it must be true of that ****ing loser Warner. Excuse me but I think you're mistaken .As was told to me in a different thread when that happens and I mention it ... "it's just me a being and Eli homer".First of all......you're an ADMITTED Eli Homer. Secondly, it's all the time. Not just when you blame everyone else.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 30, 2019 7:22:06 GMT -5
We are currently focusing on how Warner failed his team and the fan base by failing to keep the D off the field. That's your story when the D gives up the lead for the Giants, so it must be true of that ****ing loser Warner. well seeing as goober never kept the D off the field for 3 qtrs each superbowl , I find it ironic. Eli won those SB's...Warner cost his team those games. I thought that would have been obvious.
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