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Post by dannydimes8 on Aug 23, 2019 6:17:15 GMT -5
When will we see 8 out there? He has shown he has game. I give Eli Dallas and Buffalo to show he can put up points and win and go Week by week from there. If we aren’t winning the new era needs to get underway.
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Post by TGTW92 on Aug 23, 2019 6:21:17 GMT -5
Depends on our record at the bye. Pretty hard question to answer. But the pressure will be on for Mara to have them sit Eli if we play bad early on.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Aug 23, 2019 6:24:54 GMT -5
Depends on our record at the bye. Pretty hard question to answer. But the pressure will be on for Mara to have them sit Eli if we play bad early on. Bingo, # 1 difference now is Jones’ preseason has shifted the fans viewpoint. Eli is now going to hear boos and chants of Jones the second he struggles. Eli gets his chance though. If he goes out and plays well that won’t occur. He has to earn his playing time as it should be. I could see a scenario where the offense is doing okay, but the D is losing the games. Makes it tougher but I’d still move on by midseason. If we are not winning we need to do what’s best long-term and that would be getting Jones some experience now.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 23, 2019 6:56:28 GMT -5
Nothing changes. He will play either next season or when we are eliminated from the playoffs this year (or when we secure our playoff spot like Mahommes did). Eliminated does not have to be mathematically either, if we are 1-7 but not mathematically eliminated he will play.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Aug 23, 2019 6:58:00 GMT -5
Nothing changes. He will play either next season or when we are eliminated from the playoffs this year (or when we secure our playoff spot like Mahommes did). Eliminated does not have to be mathematically either, if we are 1-7 but not mathematically eliminated he will play. I’d play him at 1-3.
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2019 7:01:51 GMT -5
Nothing changes. He will play either next season or when we are eliminated from the playoffs this year (or when we secure our playoff spot like Mahommes did). Eliminated does not have to be mathematically either, if we are 1-7 but not mathematically eliminated he will play. This. I will add this also . If that o-line sucks and Eli is getting pummeled. He will not see the field this year.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Aug 23, 2019 7:03:29 GMT -5
Nothing changes. He will play either next season or when we are eliminated from the playoffs this year (or when we secure our playoff spot like Mahommes did). Eliminated does not have to be mathematically either, if we are 1-7 but not mathematically eliminated he will play. This. I will add this also . If that o-line sucks and Eli is getting pummeled. He will not see the field this year. The Oline doesn’t suck and we have a running game which is why I’d play him.
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Post by scoostraw on Aug 23, 2019 7:04:27 GMT -5
I would start him week one.
He won't of course, and at the moment that is the one thing I am already disappointed about for this season.
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2019 7:05:49 GMT -5
This. I will add this also . If that o-line sucks and Eli is getting pummeled. He will not see the field this year. The Oline doesn’t suck and we have a running game which is why I’d play him. If it was not a holding penalty. It would have been a sack. I watched that game also.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Aug 23, 2019 7:12:35 GMT -5
LOL, ....of course you would. Well yes of course I would I just said I would. We are coming off 8-24 and took him # 6. Eli gets a couple games to put 2019 on track and if he does he gets to keep playing while it’s on track. It it comes off the hinges because of Eli or for whatever reasons it’s time to think bigger picture.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Aug 23, 2019 7:15:04 GMT -5
The Oline doesn’t suck and we have a running game which is why I’d play him. If it was not a holding penalty. It would have been a sack. I watched that game also. Not sure what you’re referring to. A single play that should have been a sack or a hold? This offense has functioned in these games without Barkley, Engram, and Shepard. The Oline looks solid and Remmers will get TE help. Eli and the D and the concerns heading to Dallas.
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2019 7:21:23 GMT -5
If it was not a holding penalty. It would have been a sack. I watched that game also. Not sure what you’re referring to. A single play that should have been a sack or a hold? This offense has functioned in these games without Barkley, Engram, and Shepard. The Oline looks solid and Remmers will get TE help. Eli and the D and the concerns heading to Dallas. You and I must have been watching a different game. I guess all holding penalties Hernandez had against Atkins were an elusion. A few he grabbed him just before he was going take DJ out. And yes the defense is a as it appears a CF. My biggest concerns was on full display last night. Depend on the blitz, get burned by the blitz,
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 23, 2019 7:21:32 GMT -5
Nothing changes. He will play either next season or when we are eliminated from the playoffs this year (or when we secure our playoff spot like Mahommes did). Eliminated does not have to be mathematically either, if we are 1-7 but not mathematically eliminated he will play. I’d play him at 1-3. That's all fine and dandy. Some people would play him day one. Some would never play him. None of those people are the coach though. Most logical line of thought is we will play him when it's clear we aren't making the playoffs. 1-3 getting blown out and Eli stinking is different than 1-3 with very close loses and Eli looking good.
It's kind of foolish to put a simply number on it.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 23, 2019 7:24:33 GMT -5
And yes the defense is a as it appears a CF. My biggest concerns was on full display last night. Depend on the blitz, get burned by the blitz, Our D has looked pretty good actually when you watch the 1st and 2nd stringers. We held them to 10 points. Our 4th stringers gave up 13 points in the 4th quarter and most of those guys won't be on the team in 2 weeks. I think our D will be ok.
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Post by 3days on Aug 23, 2019 7:29:41 GMT -5
I am being optimistic in my response. I am calling that we make the playoffs as a wild card, probably lose that game, but that keeps Eli in all year. That said I am excited about Jones for sure!
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2019 7:32:39 GMT -5
And yes the defense is a as it appears a CF. My biggest concerns was on full display last night. Depend on the blitz, get burned by the blitz, Our D has looked pretty good actually when you watch the 1st and 2nd stringers. We held them to 10 points. Our 4th stringers gave up 13 points in the 4th quarter and most of those guys won't be on the team in 2 weeks. I think our D will be ok. I am not crazy about our run Defense. Our young D line has to come together.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 23, 2019 7:41:20 GMT -5
Nothing changes. He will play either next season or when we are eliminated from the playoffs this year (or when we secure our playoff spot like Mahommes did). Eliminated does not have to be mathematically either, if we are 1-7 but not mathematically eliminated he will play. This. I will add this also . If that o-line sucks and Eli is getting pummeled. He will not see the field this year. not necessarily true.
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Post by bizcliz on Aug 23, 2019 7:46:01 GMT -5
if its up to me now, he wont play until 2020 just to piss off disrespectful fans
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2019 7:52:59 GMT -5
This. I will add this also . If that o-line sucks and Eli is getting pummeled. He will not see the field this year. not necessarily true. Are you saying you would want DJ to get David Carr-ed just so he gets playing time. I don't. The way I see it. Any coach that would place a rookie QB into a recipe for failure . Is more interested in protecting his own A@@ .
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Post by dannydimes8 on Aug 23, 2019 7:53:31 GMT -5
That's all fine and dandy. Some people would play him day one. Some would never play him. None of those people are the coach though. Most logical line of thought is we will play him when it's clear we aren't making the playoffs. 1-3 getting blown out and Eli stinking is different than 1-3 with very close loses and Eli looking good.
It's kind of foolish to put a simply number on it.
In terms of the switch 8-24 is part of it for me. I’m not giving 1-3 the benefit of the doubt regardless of how we get there because 1-3 would be 9-27. I’m also looking at the schedule. Bills, Bucs, and Skins are 3 teams in the bottom-borderline middle tier. If we can’t win 2 of those 3 it is what it is. We are also catching Dallas either without Elliot or an Elliot who had no camp. If this team is legit it should go 3-1 in September. Dallas is good, but winnable. The others are all very winnable.
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Post by dannydimes8 on Aug 23, 2019 7:54:36 GMT -5
That's all fine and dandy. Some people would play him day one. Some would never play him. None of those people are the coach though. Most logical line of thought is we will play him when it's clear we aren't making the playoffs. 1-3 getting blown out and Eli stinking is different than 1-3 with very close loses and Eli looking good. It's kind of foolish to put a simply number on it.
In terms of the switch 8-24 is part of it for me. I’m not giving 1-3 the benefit of the doubt regardless of how we get there because 1-3 would be 9-27. I’m also looking at the schedule. Bills, Bucs, and Skins are 3 teams in the bottom-borderline middle tier. If we can’t win 2 of those 3 it is what it is. We are also catching Dallas either without Elliot or an Elliot who had no camp. If this team is legit it should go 3-1 in September. Dallas is good, but winnable. The others are all very winnable.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 23, 2019 7:56:06 GMT -5
Are you saying you would want DJ to get David Carr-ed just so he gets playing time. I don't. what I am saying is the oline may work better with a more mobile QB. I am a big Eli fan but I think he is kind of done. Jones will have to deal with all kinds of oline issues over his hopefully 15 year career. David Carr is an outlier example and suffered bad olines for years not just one season. Also how much was Carr and not the oline at times?
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Post by dannydimes8 on Aug 23, 2019 7:57:19 GMT -5
That's all fine and dandy. Some people would play him day one. Some would never play him. None of those people are the coach though. Most logical line of thought is we will play him when it's clear we aren't making the playoffs. 1-3 getting blown out and Eli stinking is different than 1-3 with very close loses and Eli looking good. It's kind of foolish to put a simply number on it.
In terms of the switch 8-24 is part of it for me. I’m not giving 1-3 the benefit of the doubt regardless of how we get there because 1-3 would be 9-27. I’m also looking at the schedule. Bills, Bucs, and Skins are 3 teams in the bottom-borderline middle tier. If we can’t win 2 of those 3 it is what it is. We are also catching Dallas either without Elliot or an Elliot who had no camp. If this team is legit it should go 3-1 in September. Dallas is good, but winnable. The others are all very winnable.
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2019 8:01:53 GMT -5
Are you saying you would want DJ to get David Carr-ed just so he gets playing time. I don't. what I am saying is the oline may work better with a more mobile QB. I am a big Eli fan but I think he is kind of done. Jones will have to deal with all kinds of oline issues over his hopefully 15 year career. David Carr is an outlier example and suffered bad olines for years not just one season. Also how much was Carr and not the oline at times? Who has the worked out for as a rookie? Josh Allen was sacked 28 times in 12 games last season. That is a window on what would transpire.
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Post by Nite on Aug 23, 2019 8:03:55 GMT -5
Hard to say. It would be a combination of;
- When the coaches (shurmur) think he is ready and that could be anytime from games 1- 10
- Elis is really stinking it up. Meaning that he is continuing his play from last year. I'm not talking about putting up big numbers. I'm talking about failing in big moments when the team needs the ball moved to place the team in a winning position and Eli fails to do so. The reason Eli is starting is that it is determined that he gives us the best chance to win. If it becomes obvious that he can't do that, then the pivot to Jones will happen
- The team is way behind in record 1- 5, 1- 7 etc.. I'm not sure if Eli makes it to the bye..
- The OL is functioning reasonably well and putting the kid in there won't kill him (maim him a bit perhaps, but not kill)
My gut feeling tells me it will happen shortly after Tate comes back and Eli is stinkerooning. And I think it will happen sooner than later. There is no set formula but Shurmur will be looking for specific things. The trigger will be pulled
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Post by GameTime on Aug 23, 2019 8:07:39 GMT -5
what I am saying is the oline may work better with a more mobile QB. I am a big Eli fan but I think he is kind of done. Jones will have to deal with all kinds of oline issues over his hopefully 15 year career. David Carr is an outlier example and suffered bad olines for years not just one season. Also how much was Carr and not the oline at times? Who has the worked out for as a rookie? Josh Allen was sacked 28 times in 12 games last season. That is a window on what would transpire. and he is washed up already?
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2019 8:26:25 GMT -5
Who has the worked out for as a rookie? Josh Allen was sacked 28 times in 12 games last season. That is a window on what would transpire. and he is washed up already? That is the point. why put him in a position where his main concern would be not eating grass. Not a thought process that is easily removeable. It like this: some runs a stop sign and plows into you. You become will become accustom of hitting the brake at every intersection. It is no different for a young QB taking too many hits early on. Eli has showing signs of that. I do not get the logic of grooming another QB to take on the same bad habit.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 23, 2019 8:41:02 GMT -5
In terms of the switch 8-24 is part of it for me. I’m not giving 1-3 the benefit of the doubt regardless of how we get there because 1-3 would be 9-27. I’m also looking at the schedule. Bills, Bucs, and Skins are 3 teams in the bottom-borderline middle tier. If we can’t win 2 of those 3 it is what it is. We are also catching Dallas either without Elliot or an Elliot who had no camp. If this team is legit it should go 3-1 in September. Dallas is good, but winnable. The others are all very winnable. That's fine but 8-24 has nothing to do with anything. Different team. I doubt we make the switch at 1-3 if Eli and the O look good. Hopefully we are 4-0 and don't have to consider it.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 23, 2019 8:44:10 GMT -5
and he is washed up already? That is the point. why put him in a position where his main concern would be not eating grass. Not a thought process that is easily removeable. It like this: some runs a stop sign and plows into you. You become will become accustom of hitting the brake at every intersection. It is no different for a young QB taking too many hits early on. Eli has showing signs of that. I do not get the logic of grooming another QB to take on the same bad habit. lets see what happens first before we worry about any long lasting effects on Jones....
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2019 8:46:49 GMT -5
That is the point. why put him in a position where his main concern would be not eating grass. Not a thought process that is easily removeable. It like this: some runs a stop sign and plows into you. You become will become accustom of hitting the brake at every intersection. It is no different for a young QB taking too many hits early on. Eli has showing signs of that. I do not get the logic of grooming another QB to take on the same bad habit. lets see what happens first before we worry about any long lasting effects on Jones.... I stick by what I think. That line sucks , he should sit.
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