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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 3, 2019 16:31:49 GMT -5
I have given you plenty of reasons which you refuse to knowledge and I have posted more than enough in this thread I only asked you to explain how you came up with 21 PPG this year when the team was averaging more against better quality opponents last year? You do realize we run the same offense as last year in the last 4 games You do realize there is plenty of game film from all 4 games for our opponents to watch and use to take away what we did well You do realize there is also game film on the blueprint to how to stop us(Tennessee...simple mid level zone with 7 in the box blitzing Barkley every play and sitting on the underneath stuff] Contrary to your delision none of our recievers concern opposing defenses enough to warrant them to no play said basic 7 in the box mid level zone.. We are nothing more than a 21-23 points a game basic offense until we get the dynamic playmaker to force defenses to fear our passing attack enough to expose their underbelly for the underneath stuff and running game... This will be the last time I will take the time and effort to explain these facts to you ...
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Post by jb456 on Sept 3, 2019 16:39:14 GMT -5
I have given you plenty of reasons which you refuse to knowledge and I have posted more than enough in this thread I only asked you to explain how you came up with 21 PPG this year when the team was averaging more against better quality opponents last year? 21 PPG isn't happening this year when they averaged 23.1 last year with that abomination of an Oline in the first half of the year. On the other hand, I see the 2019 Giants a s a 6-7 win team because the defense will be that bad...
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 3, 2019 16:47:48 GMT -5
I think we will be closer to 6-10, but if we break even at 8-8 I'd be THRILLED Pessimist I WANT to say 16-0, buuuuuuut -With a 40yr old QB, an untested backup - A bunch of complimentary WRs - Our biggest receiving threat has an injury bug, and correct me if im wrong, has never played a full season - Our Defense is young and untested, many of whom are playing together for the 1st time 2020 isnt our year......However, 2021 and on look VERY promising
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Post by EliDaGoat713 on Sept 3, 2019 16:57:39 GMT -5
I WANT to say 16-0, buuuuuuut -With a 40yr old QB, an untested backup - A bunch of complimentary WRs - Our biggest receiving threat has an injury bug, and correct me if im wrong, has never played a full season - Our Defense is young and untested, many of whom are playing together for the 1st time 2020 isnt our year......However, 2021 and on look VERY promising You're sounding like one of my fellow Knicks fans.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 3, 2019 17:00:49 GMT -5
I only asked you to explain how you came up with 21 PPG this year when the team was averaging more against better quality opponents last year? You do realize we run the same offense as last year in the last 4 games You do realize there is plenty of game film from all 4 games for our opponents to watch and use to take away what we did well You do realize there is also game film on the blueprint to how to stop us(Tennessee...simple mid level zone with 7 in the box blitzing Barkley every play and sitting on the underneath stuff] Contrary to your delision none of our recievers concern opposing defenses enough to warrant them to no play said basic 7 in the box mid level zone.. We are nothing more than a 21-23 points a game basic offense until we get the dynamic playmaker to force defenses to fear our passing attack enough to expose their underbelly for the underneath stuff and running game... This will be the last time I will take the time and effort to explain these facts to you ... So our PPG is going to drop from 28 to 21 because teams are going to study film from 4 games last year where we averaged 28 points per game without a dynamic guy?
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 3, 2019 17:07:18 GMT -5
You do realize we run the same offense as last year in the last 4 games You do realize there is plenty of game film from all 4 games for our opponents to watch and use to take away what we did well You do realize there is also game film on the blueprint to how to stop us(Tennessee...simple mid level zone with 7 in the box blitzing Barkley every play and sitting on the underneath stuff] Contrary to your delision none of our recievers concern opposing defenses enough to warrant them to no play said basic 7 in the box mid level zone.. We are nothing more than a 21-23 points a game basic offense until we get the dynamic playmaker to force defenses to fear our passing attack enough to expose their underbelly for the underneath stuff and running game... This will be the last time I will take the time and effort to explain these facts to you ... So our PPG is going to drop from 28 to 21 because teams are going to study film from 4 games last year where we averaged 28 points per game without a dynamic guy? some people live in a fairytale polyana fantasy world of unicorns and rainbows While the rest of us live in reality
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 3, 2019 17:14:59 GMT -5
I WANT to say 16-0, buuuuuuut -With a 40yr old QB, an untested backup - A bunch of complimentary WRs - Our biggest receiving threat has an injury bug, and correct me if im wrong, has never played a full season - Our Defense is young and untested, many of whom are playing together for the 1st time 2020 isnt our year......However, 2021 and on look VERY promising You're sounding like one of my fellow Knicks fans. Not surprising since I am also a Knicks fan, LOL
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Post by leonperry on Sept 3, 2019 17:16:10 GMT -5
7-9 and that's with an easier schedule. In my mind the season hinges on the young guys on D, whether the rooks flash the potential the team thinks they have on at least a somewhat consistent basis and the other young guys like Hill, Carter, Mcintosh, Davis, etc have to take noticeable steps forward (I'd invlude Peppers in that group, he has to be good right from the get go), Golden has to be very close to previous form...
While I'm reasonably optimistic that most of this can happen, at least over time and that Bettcher can coach them up and get the most out of them as a collective group, no matter how you slice it that's a hell of a lot of uncertainty to pin high hopes at this stage.
6-10 would be disappointing but not surprising to me, 7-9 about what I expect and 8-8 a pleasant surprise.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Sept 3, 2019 17:21:45 GMT -5
5-11
I just hope one of those five wins is against the Jets.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 3, 2019 17:32:03 GMT -5
So our PPG is going to drop from 28 to 21 because teams are going to study film from 4 games last year where we averaged 28 points per game without a dynamic guy? some people live in a fairytale polyana fantasy world of unicorns and rainbows While the rest of us live in reality Some people do, I don't disagree, but you've been posting with me long enough to remember my old username that rhymed with "gloom"... I just don't agree with you on this point. I'm showing you history and statistics, you're showing me proverbs. I haven't heard anyone talk about a dynamic player like you have. Most seem to think Engram is that guy. I'd feel better with Tate there but Alot of teams would love to have our skill players.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 3, 2019 17:48:12 GMT -5
some people live in a fairytale polyana fantasy world of unicorns and rainbows While the rest of us live in reality Some people do, I don't disagree, but you've been posting with me long enough to remember my old username that rhymed with "gloom"... I just don't agree with you on this point. I'm showing you history and statistics, you're showing me proverbs. I haven't heard anyone talk about a dynamic player like you have. Most seem to think Engram is that guy. I'd feel better with Tate there but Alot of teams would love to have our skill players. A 4 game blip is not something to count on when every team on our schedule knows we haven't improved one bit since those last 4 games last year where we needed it on the outside.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Sept 3, 2019 17:54:19 GMT -5
I must be in a very optimistic mood today I picked Blue to go 10-6 this season. But I really have no idea what were gonna look like. Anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7 is probably the most realistic.
But for the first time in a few years I think we can go 3-3 to 4-2 in our division. We play Philly the last game of the year if it doesn't effect philly in the playoffs we might take them. With that win I think we beat every team in division at least once. That would be nice for a change.
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Post by bigblueones on Sept 3, 2019 18:59:32 GMT -5
I'm going 9-7 for a few reasons. Saquon will be better behind a better line. Eli is playing for his life and when he's behind a good line he's fine, book this: Jones first action will be when we're up by 20 points at the tail of a 4th quarter. Eli finishes out the season. Engram and Tate are keys and offense is pretty good. Gallman is not shabby either. The Defense I see as being middle of the road, not terrible. With a surprise win or two, and a team or two that under estimates us, we go 9-7. The real reason though is that this team is playing like a TEAM, something that started late last season and something they didn't have AT ALL under McAdoo for a few years. Think back to 2007 and 2011. This board was blowing up all of our lack of talent and TC got them to fight. Outside of a good set of DE's and D line, we didn't have any world class talent and our LB's were OK (remember all the "Pierce is slow" slams??) I think, oddly, jettisoning OBJ is key to this team hanging together. I think he was a distraction. Hey...you asked....
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Post by SemperFi on Sept 3, 2019 19:02:32 GMT -5
11-5 Same as I posted a while back.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 3, 2019 19:07:45 GMT -5
Some people do, I don't disagree, but you've been posting with me long enough to remember my old username that rhymed with "gloom"... I just don't agree with you on this point. I'm showing you history and statistics, you're showing me proverbs. I haven't heard anyone talk about a dynamic player like you have. Most seem to think Engram is that guy. I'd feel better with Tate there but Alot of teams would love to have our skill players. A 4 game blip is not something to count on when every team on our schedule knows we haven't improved one bit since those last 4 games last year where we needed it on the outside. We improved our biggest need, the OL. Why did the the Giants only start winning games last year after they upgraded the OL. And at the same time lost their “dynamic” WR for the season? We’ve added Tate, some good young receivers along with the development of Engram/Shepard and the best RB in football. Aside from Dallas and Philly, what team on our schedule has better weapons than us?
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Post by bigblueones on Sept 3, 2019 19:21:09 GMT -5
A 4 game blip is not something to count on when every team on our schedule knows we haven't improved one bit since those last 4 games last year where we needed it on the outside. We improved our biggest need, the OL. Why did the the Giants only start winning games last year after they upgraded the OL. And at the same time lost their “dynamic” WR for the season? We’ve added Tate, some good young receivers along with the development of Engram/Shepard and the best RB in football. Aside from Dallas and Philly, what team on our schedule has better weapons than us? I agree with this. I want so bad to beat Philly in a sweep this year. Damn....
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 3, 2019 19:21:12 GMT -5
A 4 game blip is not something to count on when every team on our schedule knows we haven't improved one bit since those last 4 games last year where we needed it on the outside. We improved our biggest need, the OL. Why did the the Giants only start winning games last year after they upgraded the OL. And at the same time lost their “dynamic” WR for the season? We’ve added Tate, some good young receivers along with the development of Engram/Shepard and the best RB in football. Aside from Dallas and Philly, what team on our schedule has better weapons than us? Our weapons are pedestrian
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 3, 2019 19:22:57 GMT -5
11-5 Same as I posted a while back. That’s some optimism.. What’s your choice of drink? Moonshine?
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 3, 2019 19:24:22 GMT -5
I'm going 9-7 for a few reasons. Saquon will be better behind a better line. Eli is playing for his life and when he's behind a good line he's fine, book this: Jones first action will be when we're up by 20 points at the tail of a 4th quarter. Eli finishes out the season. Engram and Tate are keys and offense is pretty good. Gallman is not shabby either. The Defense I see as being middle of the road, not terrible. With a surprise win or two, and a team or two that under estimates us, we go 9-7. The real reason though is that this team is playing like a TEAM, something that started late last season and something they didn't have AT ALL under McAdoo for a few years. Think back to 2007 and 2011. This board was blowing up all of our lack of talent and TC got them to fight. Outside of a good set of DE's and D line, we didn't have any world class talent and our LB's were OK (remember all the "Pierce is slow" slams??) I think, oddly, jettisoning OBJ is key to this team hanging together. I think he was a distraction. Hey...you asked.... The 2011 team had one of the best group of recievers in history
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Post by bigblueones on Sept 3, 2019 19:30:58 GMT -5
I'm going 9-7 for a few reasons. Saquon will be better behind a better line. Eli is playing for his life and when he's behind a good line he's fine, book this: Jones first action will be when we're up by 20 points at the tail of a 4th quarter. Eli finishes out the season. Engram and Tate are keys and offense is pretty good. Gallman is not shabby either. The Defense I see as being middle of the road, not terrible. With a surprise win or two, and a team or two that under estimates us, we go 9-7. The real reason though is that this team is playing like a TEAM, something that started late last season and something they didn't have AT ALL under McAdoo for a few years. Think back to 2007 and 2011. This board was blowing up all of our lack of talent and TC got them to fight. Outside of a good set of DE's and D line, we didn't have any world class talent and our LB's were OK (remember all the "Pierce is slow" slams??) I think, oddly, jettisoning OBJ is key to this team hanging together. I think he was a distraction. Hey...you asked.... The 2011 team had one of the best group of recievers in history Alright I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this. Nicks, Manningham, Cruz. Not a HOF among them. All with relatively short careers. One of the best receiving groups in HISTORY? Giants history MAYBE. C'mon man, talk about drinking Kool Aid. Ballard as a TE? Given, our D was mightily talented but that receiving corps MADE PLAYS then vanished from history.
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Post by Eazy E on Sept 3, 2019 19:31:29 GMT -5
I think we are going to surprise people. I think not only are we going to be able to control the tempo with our Oline and S.B., I just think the NFL teams in general are descending. We are going to have 2 out of our 3 units that are very solid. Our defense will struggle but we are going to compete. Include an easy schedule, I could see us going 10-6 which includes losing the opener.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 3, 2019 19:39:20 GMT -5
The 2011 team had one of the best group of recievers in history Alright I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this. Nicks, Manningham, Cruz. Not a HOF among them. All with relatively short careers. One of the best receiving groups in HISTORY? Giants history MAYBE. C'mon man, talk about drinking Kool Aid. Ballard as a TE? Given, our D was mightily talented but that receiving corps MADE PLAYS then vanished from history. Look at the numbers they put up that year Nicks was a bon a fide top 5 number one reciever Cruz was a bon afide dynamic playmaker out of the slot. Manningham made plays when he was neglected by defenses. Indisputable one of the greatest 3 man units for a year ever to play. To say the Giants never had superstars on offense in the passing game is pure ignorance And stop with the revisionist history to suit your narrative but our defense in 201 sucked.Manning and the recievers carried a 5-11 team on their backs to a super bowl.I know you have low standards and prefer bland boring and middling but that doesn't cut it these days
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Post by Eazy E on Sept 3, 2019 19:41:34 GMT -5
Kansas City had the most explosive scoring offense in the NFL last year. They were 1 play or 2 away from reaching the Super Bowl. They also had the 2nd worst ranked defense in the league. If an NFL team can put up points in this league, they have a chance to compete.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 3, 2019 19:46:28 GMT -5
Kansas City had the most explosive scoring offense in the NFL last year. They were 1 play or 2 away from reaching the Super Bowl. They also had the 2nd worst ranked defense in the league. If an NFL team can put up points in this league, they have a chance to compete. Its been modern NFL, Unfortunately some in our fan base still think we need to build a team to win games 10-6 exclusively Bulld a team to win all kinds of games,whether it's a 52-49 shoot out,13-10 mudbowl,come back from a 27-10 2nd half deficit or dominate a team all game .. Unfortunately we don't have the firepower to do much of this yet,especially compensate for our very young inexperienced defense. Next year we get the finishing parts
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Post by sundown on Sept 3, 2019 19:46:38 GMT -5
10-6 and I also think Jones takes over but not cause Eli is playing bad.....
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Post by FanNYG on Sept 3, 2019 19:50:16 GMT -5
If we can get to 8-8 (or better), I'll be a happy camper! To be honest, it is the defense I worry about this year!
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Post by bigblueones on Sept 3, 2019 19:53:02 GMT -5
Alright I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this. Nicks, Manningham, Cruz. Not a HOF among them. All with relatively short careers. One of the best receiving groups in HISTORY? Giants history MAYBE. C'mon man, talk about drinking Kool Aid. Ballard as a TE? Given, our D was mightily talented but that receiving corps MADE PLAYS then vanished from history. Look at the numbers they put up that year Nicks was a bon a fide top 5 number one reciever Cruz was a bon afide dynamic playmaker out of the slot. Manningham made plays when he was neglected by defenses. Indisputable one of the greatest 3 man units for a year ever to play. To say the Giants never had superstars on offense in the passing game is pure ignorance And stop with the revisionist history to suit your narrative but our defense in 201 sucked.Manning and the recievers carried a 5-11 team on their backs to a super bowl.I know you have low standards and prefer bland boring and middling but that doesn't cut it these days I think you're doing the revisionist history here. I never said we didn't have superstars on offense. Maybe we just have different definitions of "superstar" receiver. You said superstar receiving corps, I just didn't see it that way. They were fantastic for A YEAR. They were not fantastic for a span of time and I'm thinking of Carter and Moss and Jerry Rice and Taylor for example, or Swann in Pitt. But you got me, I was thinking the 2007 D, not the 2011 and you're right, they were not that great on D. That was my error.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 3, 2019 19:57:59 GMT -5
Look at the numbers they put up that year Nicks was a bon a fide top 5 number one reciever Cruz was a bon afide dynamic playmaker out of the slot. Manningham made plays when he was neglected by defenses. Indisputable one of the greatest 3 man units for a year ever to play. To say the Giants never had superstars on offense in the passing game is pure ignorance And stop with the revisionist history to suit your narrative but our defense in 201 sucked.Manning and the recievers carried a 5-11 team on their backs to a super bowl.I know you have low standards and prefer bland boring and middling but that doesn't cut it these days I think you're doing the revisionist history here. I never said we didn't have superstars on offense. Maybe we just have different definitions of "superstar" receiver. You said superstar receiving corps, I just didn't see it that way. They were fantastic for A YEAR. They were not fantastic for a span of time and I'm thinking of Carter and Moss and Jerry Rice and Taylor for example, or Swann in Pitt. But you got me, I was thinking the 2007 D, not the 2011 and you're right, they were not that great on D. That was my error. No they were world class talent.. Ronnie barnes ruined Nicks career prematurely after his knee injury in 2012 with his usual misdiagnosis or he would have set records with this team Cruz we saw what happened You cannot say that we are better off on offense with this middling piddling unit than ybe 2011 unit
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Post by SemperFi on Sept 3, 2019 20:07:04 GMT -5
11-5 Same as I posted a while back. That’s some optimism.. What’s your choice of drink? Moonshine? Costs me nothing to have high hopes... Very dry Tanqueray martini with a twist, if you please!
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Post by McCherry on Sept 3, 2019 20:17:38 GMT -5
The 2011 team had one of the best group of recievers in history Now you're just trying to be controversial. I can appreciate that.
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